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7:00 AM
we are donating blood today to celebrate Independence day. We as in, my friends @ IITD. /me is lil ill
 
okay
i got an email from someone researching on Github o.O
 
oh.. what does it read?
 
@Mahesh What's your AIR ?
 
@Mahesh he wants to see how i use github.
 
@HackToHell 323 iirc
 
@Mahesh awesome ;)
 
@jokerdino nothing fishy in there.
@HackToHell :D thx
 
@Mahesh ok but i am not interested.
 
ok.
 
am i using sun or oracle java?
how do i know?
 
7:05 AM
you know what? I find 'ok.' rude. :/
@jokerdino dpkg -l |grep java maybe?
@jokerdino wait.. aren't those two same?
 
i don't know
 
Sun and Oracle remind me of same company.
Oracle acquired Sun microsystems
 
ok but that doesn't answer my question.
 
Hi all . just found and interesting answer here askubuntu.com/a/175995/63025, but not sure it works practically with ext4
 
what java am i using?
 
7:09 AM
@jokerdino you might be using sun Java, or the other one probably called open java. dpkg -l |grep java or grep jre should do the trick
 
@jokerdi
@jokerdino what did you get for java -version
 
$ java -version
java version "1.6.0_24"
OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.11.1) (6b24-1.11.1-4ubuntu3)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b12, mixed mode)
 
all post 1.6.x is from oracle
 
@VikramSubramanian i didn't know that.
 
@jokerdino you are not using sun java.
 
7:11 AM
okay then
 
@jokerdino Happy independence day :D
 
@VikramSubramanian even I didn't know that.
 
@nitstorm :D
 
And to all @indians :)
 
@nitstorm - Happy Independence Day & to all Indians :)
 
7:13 AM
@tijybba oh you too
and Vikram, to you too :-)
 
Yes :)
 
@tijybba Thank @tijybba :) To you too :D
 
@JourneymanGeek How's the independence day going on there? :P
omg, now that i realize, we got too many indians here
 
lol :P
be back later
 
bye
 
7:15 AM
bye bye
 
Bye bye
 
bye bye bye
 
ta da
combo breaker
 
bah
/me goes for lunch. enjoy. :)
 
bye
 
7:18 AM
Appears
Hello all
 
7:45 AM
2
A: Shared folders for all users

enzotibAnother approach is to use Access Control Lists, a superset of file permissions. First of all, we have to install the acl package: sudo apt-get install acl The interested partition have to be mounted with the option acl for the following to work. It could be added in /etc/fstab, as in UUID=...

^ needs upvotes (much underrated IMO)
 
why do i see two answers from him?
 
@jokerdino he made a bettr one later...
 
@Takkat alright. upvoted as well.
 
I set this up yesterday. Works like a charm
Hi all btw.
 
hi @Takkat
 
7:50 AM
o/
 
o/
 
hi bro
 
hi sis
 
Hey @Takkat
Hey @msPeachy
Hey @jokerdino
 
hiya
 
7:58 AM
@AmithKK yes @AmithKK
 
Hi guys
Good morning to all
or whatever time it is chez vous
Is there a way to reward users for a good edit of your own posts/answers?
 
You cannot reward users for their edits, but the system (AU) rewards them with 2 reps, so there's no need to do that. If you still feel you want to do something for them, you can upvote their posts.
 
@msPeachy nope. edits after 2k won't give any rep.
 
@jokerdino Ah yeah, that's the exemption.
 
@msPeachy that's the norm
back then, there was no way to edit unless you have had 2k rep
 
8:07 AM
One can only get up to 1k for edits right?
 
yes
> msPeachy had 441 edit suggestions approved, and 10 edit suggestions rejected.
hah, pretty close already.
you can only get some 120 more rep
 
that's okay, I'll keep doing the review with or without reps
I like to see my name on them posts
 
okay
 
lol
 
Thanks to all :)
 
8:17 AM
you are doing fine.
 
@jokerdino Learning a more linux and python on the side, hopefully will be able to answer more questions soon.
Next step in my learning is X
 
yes that's the way to go!
X :S
 
@msPeachy But via edits it is very hard to get the points you have. You must have edited hundreds of answers.... Also, this way, you are not able to earn points in the future with something you did in the past....
 
@hakermania hi
She has some 440 post edits.
and i agree with your necro post rep.
 
@jokerdino I see... But 2 points per edit (because I only edit if the answer is really bad) are too few...
I actually rewrite the whole answer...
 
8:22 AM
@hakermania yes I don't disagree.
But we got enough crappy content to get so much rep if one wants to go that route.
 
I see...
 
@hakermania what do you mean, earn points in the future with something you did in the past?
 
@msPeachy if you write an answer, i can upvote in the future.
 
@msPeachy if you actually answer something then you can get points a year later, if someone upvotes your answer
 
but you cant get rep from edits in the future. it is a one time thing
 
8:23 AM
exactly
 
@hakermania do not rewrite the answer, if the answer is wrong flag it, then you post your own answer
 
@msPeachy it isn't always so easy, take for example this: askubuntu.com/questions/175847/…
 
@jokerdino doesn't matter much since edit rep limits to 1k, if I do it now or in the future as soon I get 1k from edits, i won't get any rep
 
it isn't wrong as an answer, but completely bad.
The user didn't even accept my edits...
 
@hakermania then write your own answer and someone will surely upvote it if it is correct
 
8:26 AM
@msPeachy i don't think i can explain it to you. do what you think makes you feel better
 
try me
lol
 
nope.
i am on reddit.
will come back a while later
 
okie dokie
 
@msPeachy what jokerdino means is that via an answer you are able to earn rep in the future, while with edits only in the present. That's all.
 
yeah I think I get it
 
8:30 AM
Good morning!
I have been reviewing some LQPs and it seems a lot of the answers presented are from questions that are closed?
Is it worth putting effort into these?
 
gotta go do some learning. See you later guys/girls
 
@RamonSuarez cya
@StephenMyall improve the post if it needs to be. don't be overly worried about whether or not it is closed
 
@StephenMyall what's LPQ?
 
@msPeachy low quality post
 
Low quality posts
 
8:36 AM
oh okay
what dino said
 
@jokerdino Thats the answer I needed thx
 
@StephenMyall welcome
 
good morning
 
o/
 
Should one of these questions be considered a duplicate of the other?
3
Q: Is there a shortcut to tile windows to left or right side of the screen?

SoftTimurAs Compiz Grid is not supported in ubuntu-2d, I am looking for alternative to tile windows. This video shows that xfce4 and xfwm4 can snap windows to a part of the screen. I would like to do that by keyboard shortcuts. I have already installed xfce4and xfwm4, but I don't see which one in the fo...

14
Q: How do I get Aero Snap in Unity 2D?

ShibumiI really miss the "Aero Snap" window snapping feature present in Unity 3D. Is there any way I can get it, or an alternative to it, in Unity 2D?

 
8:52 AM
It does look like the same thing
 
9:03 AM
@EliahKagan poke.
 
@jokerdino Hi.
 
You want me to delete my comment?
 
@jokerdino I see no need. If you choose to delete it, I'll delete mine. But as things stand, it's clear that the <!-- ... --> method has been tested and works. There's arguably something beneficial in that. I don't feel skittish about having been mistaken or anything. :-)
[ It's especially clear to 10k users ;-) ]
 
It's not that. You have deleted your previous comment. It might feel out of place. :-)
 
Oh, yeah, I figured there was enough info without it. But your answer is self-contained--I think there's nothing wrong with you deleting your comment. Whatever you prefer. I really don't have a position on this. :-)
 
9:06 AM
OK then. Leaving it as it is.
And on an unrelated note, have you hit 1k flags yet? I am being curious here.. :P
 
Hello! I asked this question
http://askubuntu.com/questions/173386/problem-with-the-logitec-orbicam-webcam-how-to-troubleshoot-it
and although it has a nice amount of views (46 so far) I haven't received any answers yet. Any suggestions on what could I do to improve my question and get an answer? Thank you! :-)
 
@fdierre I am glad you are asking for suggestions. Let me look.
 
@jokerdino Yes. I currently have 1256 helpful flags.
 
@EliahKagan Nooo. I got to hit 4 digits yet. :'(
Anyway, well done. You are being super awesome as always.
 
@jokerdino Thx! Of course, you're awesome on multiple SE sites, whereas I have only a very minor presence on any SE site but AU.
 
9:09 AM
@EliahKagan Thanks. But in actuality, I haven't done much outside of AU.
 
@jokerdino thank you, I'll wait for your suggestions. :-)
 
OK the question is pretty sane.
 
Pity, I hoped there was some easy fix that for some reason I was not able to see.
 
I would have helped but I don't think I have the same webcam.
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0c45:641d Microdia 1.3 MPixel Integrated Webcam
 
nope, that's another device :)
 
9:17 AM
Yes. :-)
 
does yours work both with skype/chatroulette and google hangout? This is was surprises me most...
If it just didn't work, I'd understand it.
 
Not sure about chatroulete, but the other two works.
 
Or, if it only worked with skype and never worked via the browser, i'd understand that too.
But: some websites work, some others don't. Same browser. :-)
 
i would think you reported the bug on Cheese?
 
Yes, the bug was reported by me
 
9:24 AM
@fdierre I take it that you have already looked at this? help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam/Troubleshooting
 
Bounty offered: Netbook performs hard shutdown without warning on low battery power http://askubuntu.com/q/167062?atw=1 #powermanagement
 
last night, before going to bed, i wrote and rewrote a huge angry rant about Ask ubuntu.
mostly incoherent though
 
@jokerdino nope, I hadn't found that before. I'll take a look right now.
 
Hi Guys, Has anyone tried streaming multiple tv channels using VLC or any kind software on Ubuntu?
 
izx
Android debugging...off-topic?
0
Q: Android Emulator Stuck at one point?

shobhitroot@saun-Vostro-3500:/home/saun/Downloads/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools# emulator-arm -avd sampy -partition-size 128 -no-snapshot-load -verbose -cpu-delay 0 -no-boot-anim -debug all -show-kernel emulator: found SDK root at /home/saun/Downloads/android-sdk-linux emulator: Android virtu...

 
9:34 AM
@jokerdino, why do you think I get this error if I follow the instructions in that page?


fdr@maggie:~$ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype
ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.

I checked, and that *is* the correct path.
 
@izx yup
o/
 
@fdierre weird
 
izx
\o
 
check the architecture maybe?
 
i'm on ubuntu 64 bit and installed the skype 64 bit package... At least I think. :-)
fdr@maggie:~$ dpkg -s skype
Package: skype
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: partner/net
Installed-Size: 64
Maintainer: Brian Thomason <brian.thomason@canonical.com>
Architecture: amd64
 
9:41 AM
hmm okay then.
 
@izx I don't know how people have so much trouble setting up the android emulator. It just works out of the box for me
 
@aking1012 me too. it worked out of the box
 
izx
@aking1012 I don't know, the question has no body and is essentially a log dump...
 
Yeah, and the only relevant part is the very last line...connection refused.
 
izx
but at the end it says "booting kernel" :/
 
9:46 AM
okay...3 lines from the end. also why would you try to run the android emulator as root?
 
I am a bit confident that there is a question on AU that explains what Unity is
I am looking for it... anyone else ready to help me out?
 
13
Q: What is 'Ubuntu Unity' (for the Desktop)?

MartinOk, so there's the buzz of Canonical (wanting to) switch for new Ubuntu version from the GNOME default desktop to their own Unity shell. (I hope that's accurate.) It seems I can not totally fathom what Unity actually is. For looking at its homepage it currently is firmly targeted at netbooks and...

 
@AmithKK Thanks :)
 
    emulator: found SDK root at /home/saun/Downloads/android-sdk-linux
...
    emulator: Android virtual device file at: /root/.android/avd/sampy.ini
...
    emulator: Error while connecting to socket '127.0.0.1:1970': 111 -> Connection refused

the only meaningful lines
 
So now, this question is a dupe of two questions -
0
Q: What is Unity 3D / 2D?

Shedo SurashuI haven't used Ubuntu since like version 9 or something. Now that I just downloaded and installed v12, I want to know what all the talk about "Unity 3D" is about? Am I right to assume that Ubuntu now uses the Unity 3D? And am I right to assume that Unity is just the theming scheme of Ubuntu? (Pre...

 
9:50 AM
wtf
my classmate just emailed me the 50 shades of grey pdf o.O
like all three.
 
@nitstorm Your global rep is 6000
 
@jokerdino lol :P it's been on torrents for like a couple of months now :P
@AmithKK oh?
 
@nitstorm but why email me (and the rest of the class)?
 
@jokerdino Coz he just made the exciting discovery, that he thinks is a discovery of the decade? Or maybe he's hinting that he likes things a li'l kinky :P
 
izx
^^^ Or he's a Twilight fan :P
 
well, he was reading the book a couple days earlier. Sitting right next to me. But why send me?! :/
 
@jokerdino To share the joy of S&M maybe? :P
 
sob
 
izx
@aking1012 If he's running the thing as root, what permissions problems could he have besides X/env_var issues?
 
It could be X/env, it could be an assert i'm not running as root somewhere (which seems google-y to me), it could be part of it tries to drop privileges and part of it doesn't...
If you just use it like a sane person it just works...
 
izx
10:00 AM
lol
 
0
Q: LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded error message, but .so exists!

fdierreI am trying to troubleshoot my webcam and make it work with skype. One workaround that is often suggested is to LD_PRELOAD the v4l1compat.so file. But when trying that, I get an error message: fdr@maggie:~$ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so skype ERROR: ld.so: object '/u...

dupe
 
why would someone run thingsas root if they are in right mind?
@aking1012 scroll up to see its origins. :P
 
The title itself makes me scream inside -
0
Q: Backup 150 gb Partition on 8gb Disk?

BigGeniusHow can i take backup of this disk. Only 150 mb ubuntu installtions and package files + Custom Directories.

 
faints
 
@aking1012 I don't think it's a dupe, I took care of changing the path so that it is correct...
 
10:05 AM
@Mahesh why would you have your avd and your sdk installed as two different users? running things as root...fine in some situations, but this isn't one of them
 
agreed
 
@fdierre the solution on the other page should work. it's that it afaik is still only x86 not x64
 
izx
@nitstorm That guy, @ObsessiveFOSS and @jokerdino had quite the debate trying to solve this question in chat yesterday. Then again, he claims to run "the one stop shop for technology and gadget information", so this seems like a silly question to ask :P
 
@izx lol :P I did see the conversation in the separate room yesterday, was crazy!
 
@izx No, I was never trying to solve his question. He ticked me off two days ago.
 
10:10 AM
lol :P
@izx and lol lol lol at the one stop shop claim :P
 
izx
@jokerdino Oh that's right, I conflated the two convos. He's the one with the smart-ass comment...
 
yes.
well, he is a biggenius. he would figure it out.
 
lol :P
He seems to have ticked off @jokerdino real bad
 
yeah sorta
 
well he self triple duped...
 
10:14 AM
let it go, it's like a cycle in online communities, someone like that always pops up once in a while just to piss us off :P
 
izx
@EliahKagan: what exactly do you mean by "many commercial routers expose their WAN IP's on both their WAN and LAN interfaces" :/ (and I agree re nmap, was just pointing out the one-liner :)
 
btw, how can we shout to the community to pls not flag/ or cast close votes without leaving a comment, coz then it makes you wonder why this thing got into the close vote queue
 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/175348/my-huawei-e353-modem-is-recognized-as-another-model-and-is-not-fully-functional
http://askubuntu.com/questions/174639/huawei-3g-usb-modem
http://askubuntu.com/questions/175259/is-there-any-driver-for-huawei-e353-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise
 
and why it's off topic or not a real question
 
izx
@nitstorm Usually reading the question makes it obvious...
 
10:15 AM
you forgot to add he cross posted on Unix as well. like thrice
 
izx
But I agree reasons would be nice.
 
yeah, but sometimes, it's plain crazy, some guy wants to nuke Ubuntu and go back to the dark side, so it got marked as not a real question instead of a dupe
:P
 
@jokerdino maybe he wants to do a blog post on getting that particular modem working and needs someone else to do the research for him ;)
2
 
@aking1012 :-)
 
izx
He was also trying to switch wifi regulatory domains to max out his wifi RF output someone should email TRAI :P
 
10:18 AM
@aking1012 OOOOHHHHH bullocks!
@izx lol :P
 
izx
@aking1012 ROFL. I wonder why he haunts AU when his blog posts seem to be about Win Pres Foundations...
 
and then he wanted something about bohemia?
 
randomness galore?
 
@izx oh right.
 
10:19 AM
@izx I was thinking of the same thing...
 
@izx Suppose you forward a port from a machine on LAN, through your NAT router. Then the service running on the machine on LAN is accessible from the WAN side of the NAT router (i.e., the Internet), by connecting to that port on the router's WAN interface's IP address. That's what it means to be port forwarding.
 
izx
@EliahKagan You could just have said "port forwarding" :P
 
Have you noticed that there are some very usual problems? For example the one that the internet connection disconnects after some time and the blinking cursor on startup and it is not possible to boot......
 
@izx Well that's just the preamble. ;-)
But suppose you try to access that port from inside the LAN, by entering the IP address of the router's WAN interface. There is no reason to expect that this would work, and on NAT routers people set up themselves hosted on GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, it usually doesn't. But on most commercial home / small office routers, special rules are present to make this work seamlessly (including ones that are Linux based).
 
izx
Black screen/blinking cursor has been canonicalized
 
10:21 AM
@hakermania we got loads of very common problems lying. we need to clean them up.
 
@jokerdino couldn't we just point them to a wiki of all the possible solutions rather than answering the same things?
 
@EliahKagan hairpin routing "shouldn't" work
 
@aking1012 Right.
 
@hakermania yes that is intended.
 
@izx When people switch from commercial home routers to solutions like IPCop, SmoothWall, or m0n0wall, they are often surprised that this doesn't work (since connecting to the WAN side of the router from on the LAN is often used to test if port forwarding or DMZ is correctly configured).
 
10:24 AM
@jokerdino I've written this wiki: help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles and after using it 3-4 times I wasn
 
@izx I'm talking about when the port is forwarded. Even when the port is forwarded, that doesn't necessarily mean you can access it through the port forward from inside the LAN.
 
after using it 3-4 times in my answers the would accept it*
"It is general thought that single links aren't helpful"
 
izx
@EliahKagan Ah, I see.
 
@hakermania find the one question to dupe them to and include the link AND the contents at the other end or enough of them to make the answer useful
 
@aking1012 I see. So, I may add any info I want from the link and provided as (answer taken from $link)? This is my first edit!!!
 
10:26 AM
@hakermania heh don't break your chat message. you can edit it by pressing up
 
@hakermania yeah, that's the idea
 
@jokerdino thanks :D
 
@izx In my comment I should probably have said "expose...through" rather than "expose...on".
 
19 hours ago, by aking1012
stop posting three words
not haiku competition
already made point
 
@hakermania :D
@aking1012 lol
 
izx
10:27 AM
Doesn't the fact that installing skype on amd64 requires ia32-libs make it obvious to everyone that it's a 32-bit app?
 
@izx yes, I think I read at OMG!Ubuntu that they are planning to make a "normal" 64 bit version...
 
nope.
i install ia32-libs beforehand.
 
izx
@EliahKagan I think that's still convoluted, e.g. it may mis-imply that e.g. port 646 should be open on the router's LAN IP (192.168.1.1, etc) as well, if forwarded
Funnily enough, port 646 also appears to be used by rpc.statd, an NFS child file-locking daemon...
 
@izx i think that whole debate is solved with "if you're using port forwarding and local services, you should set up internal dns properly. problem solved"
 
@izx Well it's the IP that's exposed on/through both interfaces; that's not the same thing as saying the port is exposed through both interfaces' IPs. :-)
@izx I actually was not aware of that. Thanks. However, since the other ports were "green" in the scan, it's probably the router that was being scanned, and it's unlikely that port was forwarded either automatically or manually.
 
izx
10:33 AM
@EliahKagan How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? :P
 
If anyone interested, I am writing a rant. - dl.dropbox.com/u/59574238/Ask%20Ubuntu%20rants/Draft%202.mkd Draft 2
I hate the evil world.
 
izx
I think GRC/ShieldsUp is a fearmonger and snake-oil salesman (see Spinrite)
 
it probably won't look like that when i publish it though.
 
that much
 
izx
OK, in this question the OP says his AMD cards won't wake from hibernate with the radeon driver, but DO wake with fglrx. Close as bug?
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Q: ATI/AMD graphics cards not waking from hibernation with "radeon" driver

CrynixI previously asked this when I was using Ubuntu through Wubi. I was told that Wubi didn't support hibernation, so I ignored the issue and restarted the computer whenever it tried to go into hibernation. Last night I decided to install Ubuntu and use it as my main OS. One of the first things I ch...

@aking1012 LOL
 
10:41 AM
@izx I even found a bug to link to on LP
@jokerdino agreed. on answer rate i sit at about 100% accept rate and about 20% of my questions are self-answer i think
 
@aking1012 100% accept isn't always good (I have also 100%). I mean if you really ask hard to find questions, then the rate shouldn't be 100%
 
@hakermania I have two unanswered, but it still shows as 100% accept
 
@aking1012 do they have answers at all?
 
nope
 
10:51 AM
okay. that makes sense...
 
@aking1012 good :-)
(my network kicked me out.)
 
izx
@hakermania If you really ask hard to find questions, you better be prepared to follow-up and help people help you -- like this one guy who had an odd network-PulseAudio issue, and allowed me to screen-share to solve it. If you hit-and-run, well, that's @jokerdino's domain right now :)
 
heh
 
^ +1
 
+2
@izx screen-sharing doesn't help other people, though
you should record it and upload it to youtube
 
10:55 AM
@jokerdino what's with the rant?
 
izx
Well, in most cases if you know how you fixed it you can just write it out in an answer. It's the troubleshooting/testing that's much easier assuming you can't independently replicate the problem...
 
@msPeachy just had to write it out.
haven't really finished it.
when it's done, i will put it up on Meta for the downvoting gala.
ok dinner time.
 
izx
One delete vote needed (How can I convert Linux binary into Windows library)
 

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