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oshirowanen
oshirowanen
11:05 AM
@Amith KK, :3344016: I need a pc for development purposes where I can run aptana or netbeans with debugging enabled for php and java, mysql and mysql workbench, apache, php, java, and android development. The PC needs to be compatible with Ubuntu and have at least 2 monitors, but ideally 4 monitors, while keeping the price as low as possible.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
Mhmm.
 
N.N.
N.N.
@OctavianDamiean IIRC since around 5.04 or 5.10. You?
had look up the release history to check about when I installed for the first time
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
Oh nice! Since 7.10.
 
N.N.
N.N.
I have never been involved in any development or community work except this
though I have submitted a bug or two
before Ubuntu I used Gentoo a bit
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
What is the recommended spec as in a spec which can run Ubuntu Unity3D responsively. All the recommended specs I find on the internet talk about the absolute minimum recommended spec.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
11:12 AM
wow, so you're a long time Linux user.
@oshirowanen Generally speaking you should look for a NVIDIA graphic card.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@oshirowanen and by Nvidia @OctavianDamiean means AMD
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
My NVIDIA 9800 GTX+ performed perfectly fine.
No, not really. Not at all.
 
N.N.
N.N.
I have used it for a while. But mostly as an end user for everyday tasks. I have never been that involved in programming. Seems I know less of the system than many people here!
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
I would never recommend an AMD card.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean So 2 NVIDIA cards to give 4 screens?
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
11:15 AM
@OctavianDamiean why?
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
@oshirowanen That is correct but I should tell you that I have no experience with SLI on Ubuntu. So I'm not sure how it will work out.
@BrunoPereira Because of the problems I had with ATI in the past. It might be better now but I can't tell since I have no personal experience with AMD since then.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean Ever head or read anyone who has been able to get 4 screens to work with ubuntu, does not have to be in sli mode.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
I'm only recommending hardware I have personal experience with.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean That's fine.
Just want to get a rough idea.
How about a CPU, what would be a good low cost CPU which can handle Unity3D responsively?
Responsivlely as in any action which takes more than a second is not responsive.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
It is definitely possible. Look here, however like I said, I have never tried SLI on Ubuntu.
@oshirowanen I guess an Intel i3 sould be fine.
My Centrino Duo handles Unity3D with ease. :)
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
11:19 AM
@OctavianDamiean Totally understand.
@OctavianDamiean At the moment, I have a P4 3GHz and it struggles.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
Mhmm, is it a single core?
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@OctavianDamiean Fair enough. I can say that the drivers are quite stable at the moment, but then again that will end up to be a preference thing ofc.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean So with 2 NVidia cards, 4 monitors, what kind of PSU should I be looking at?
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
I was not trying to say that AMD is bad, just to get that right. :)
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean Yes, P4 3GHz single core, no hyperthreading either.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
11:21 AM
That is a good question, the PSU is going to be important, especially for a SLI setup.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean I was thinking maybe a 650watt PSU, but not sure if that will be enough, or if that will be excessive.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
@oshirowanen That might be the reason.
I'm not comfortable enough to say it would be enough or not due to my lack of experience with SLI but I know that this topic should be covered on Tom's Hardware. Let me try to find that.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean Thanks. wondering of tomshardware have a forum... checking.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
Yup, they to.
Man the latest update broke Flash for me on Chromium. :/
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean Only problem is, they probably won't know much about hardware compatibly with ubuntu.
Thanks for the help, going for lunch.
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
11:29 AM
Not sure but I didn't mean to direct you there to ask about SLI on Ubuntu but about SLI power consumption. ;)
This might be interesting.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Octavian, xdotool doesn't read tab. How do you tell it that you meant the Tab key?
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
I'm investigating. Actually I'll be investigating after I'm back from the doctor.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
^^
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
I tried changing window switcher to something else and parsing it into xdotool triggers the switcher.
 
Questions Feed
Questions Feed
11:45 AM
Bounty offered: Unable to connect to wired DHCP connection via my PC? http://askubuntu.com/questions/67064/unable-to-connect-to-wired-dhcp-connection-via-my-pc #connection
Tweeted by StackUbuntu on February 10, 2012 at 11:27 AM
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
12:06 PM
Hey Takkat!
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
@OctavianDamiean Thanks for the link, very useful.
 
oshirowanen
oshirowanen
12:51 PM
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Q: Recommended computer spec for development purposes

oshirowanenAccording to the FAQ, I can't ask for shopping advice, but it says nothing about asking for computer spec recommendations, so I am assuming that is allowed. If such questions are not allowed, please let me know where in stackexchange I can ask such a question. The question is: I'm looking to b...

development specifications
 
jrg
jrg
1:07 PM
@JorgeCastro so you're still having $PATH problems with rvm.... :S
 
rlemon
rlemon
/me Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
If I haven't setup a SSH server at home... is it still possible to remote in so I can push all the work I did from home last night (which I forgot to push :<)
 
jrg
jrg
Lets see how well the Business Desktop Remix runs in Vbox.
 
rlemon
rlemon
so that is a no not possible
 
jrg
jrg
@rlemon no ssh server, no rdp, no nothing like that, no way.
 
rlemon
rlemon
whatever comes pre-installed in 11.10
fresh installed it like a week ago and never got around to setting anything up
painting my apartment... so been kinda lazy with everything else.
 
jrg
jrg
1:19 PM
yeah, no way. sorry. :(
 
Alvar
Alvar
how do I install unity 3d?
 
rlemon
rlemon
@oshirowanen 4.1gh processor, 8gb ram, ssd (vertex 3 is good), and big ass hdd. I suggest dual monitor.. both widescreen, one landscape one portrait (output screen, and code screen)
 
Gigili
Gigili
Pft? I cannot vote in the election.
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar It should be pre-installed.
 
Gigili
Gigili
'Ello, BTW.
 
jrg
jrg
1:20 PM
@Gigili hello hello! :)
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg I can only find ubuntu and unbuntu 2d in the log in screen
@jrg btw, what's the package called?
 
rlemon
rlemon
ubuntu is 3d is it not
ubuntu [3d], ubuntu 2d
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Ubuntu 3d is just Ubuntu
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar its just called ubuntu.
 
rlemon
rlemon
Ubuntu 3D
 
Alvar
Alvar
1:22 PM
I just had a huge aha moment, when I realized how the unty launcher works in that you can add remove the apps. :)
@jrg aha
@jrg brb
 
rlemon
rlemon
ubuntu 3d?
 
jrg
jrg
@rlemon lol
 
rlemon
rlemon
ok well time to go for a smoke... god I can't believe I didn't push that commit.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino it looks the same -.-
 
rlemon
rlemon
like an hour and a half wasted. (3 hours of work == hour and a half to remember / re implement all changes)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
1:24 PM
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Q: Am I using Unity or Unity 2D?

htorqueUnity and Unity 2D look very much alike in Ubuntu 11.10, so how can new users easily find out whether they are running Unity or Unity 2D?

unity unity-2d
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jrg
jrg
@Alvar thats good. because its almost impossible to tell the difference anyway.
 
rlemon
rlemon
transparency
and dash looks completely different.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg then what's the point? O.o
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Unity has more gimmicks :D
 
Alvar
Alvar
why not jsut have unity instead of two, that's confusing...
 
rlemon
rlemon
1:26 PM
Unity 2d is less of a resource hog.
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar That is the point. Unified user experience, and not everyone can run Unity [3D].
 
Alvar
Alvar
I actually kind of like unity now, that might be because the other options are so very ugly...
@jrg lol it's not really 3d...
 
rlemon
rlemon
I have always liked Unity, that might be because the only other distro I've used is SUSE, (and never used a different DE than what was shipped)
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar Explain that reasoning please?
because it uses compiz, it is 3D.
 
rlemon
rlemon
I forgot my glasses, today it's only 2D
 
Alvar
Alvar
1:27 PM
@jrg it looks the same flat thing as it always has been, in what way is it 3d that I an see (by using it) ???
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar you're missing the point....
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg well If I call a program 3d doesn't make it 3d!
 
jrg
jrg
its not 3D as in a 3D movie.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg what point? it's not 3d..
@jrg what is it then?
 
rlemon
rlemon
@Alvar are these shapes 3D or 2D
 
Alvar
Alvar
1:28 PM
the "dash" is till as flat as ever, the mac dash is more 3d than this...
 
jrg
jrg
its 3D as in it uses more graphics power, it has a better/slicker look, and it uses compiz.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@rlemon 2d...
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar did you even read this answer? - askubuntu.com/questions/62001/am-i-using-unity-or-unity-2d
 
rlemon
rlemon
but they represent 3D objects... 3D design is not actually 3D but looks like and represents 3D shapes.
2
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg woooow, my old 11.04 classic gnome used compiz, still it wasn't 3d..
 
jrg
jrg
1:29 PM
What rlemon said.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg what answer? it's a question!
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar Sorry, copied the wrong link. Scroll down a little bit and you'll see what I mean.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@rlemon so 3d isn't really 3d, it's 3d if you imagine it.... GAH what fakes this is...
 
jrg
jrg
Unity "3D"
Unity "2D"
You can also see a shadow below the menubar in the top screenshot.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg so rounded edges is 3d....
@jrg shadows did I have in 11.04 classic on the windows...
 
jrg
jrg
1:32 PM
@Alvar thats because you were running compiz.
 
rlemon
rlemon
@Alvar 3D tv (as it is seen today) is not 3D then either.. until we get holograms like R2D2 spits out his chest no 'display' will enter the realm of 3D as it is still a 2D image tricking our minds into perceiving it is 3D (however good that perception may be)
 
jrg
jrg
ok, please shush for a few minutes while I explain.
 
Alvar
Alvar
so compiz is 3d?! lol :P
 
jrg
jrg
Unity "3D" is a few things - first, it uses compiz, which is fairly eyecandy-friendly window manager.
second, because of compiz, it has the ability to do some things like window snapping, shadows etc
 
Alvar
Alvar
ok
 
rlemon
rlemon
1:34 PM
@Alvar your monitor itself is 3D, everything that you see on it is 2D. To not be that guy, you can accept that a representation of a 3D image in computing is coined as being 3D itself... even though in reality we know it does not exist in three dimensions.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
On an absolutely unrelated note, I have uploaded the latest GTG version in my PPA :)
 
jrg
jrg
So in this case, the "3D" part of Unity "3D" isn't "3D" as in a 3D movie that pops out at you and stuff, but is more along the lines of "Oh, your graphics card can run this, so we'll give you a few nicer tweaks, shadows gradients etc"
@jokerdino sweet, updating
Now for Unity "2D".
Unity "2D" uses QT and metacity instead of compiz (I think its metacity)
because it uses QT, it doesn't use as much cpu, ram etc
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
yeah it is metacity
but, if you want, you can use compiz to handle unity 2d.
 
jrg
jrg
and because it uses metacity, it doesn't use as much cpu, ram etc - but, at the expense of things like shadows, gradients and things like that.
@jokerdino thats besides the point, I got awesomeWM to handle unity 2D. granted, didn't work so well, but I did it. :P
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
haha yeah :p
If I cant convince someone, I confuse them :D
 
jrg
jrg
1:37 PM
And that, is the difference.
so to sum it up - Unity "3D" isn't "3D" per se, but it is prettier and has more eyecandy. Unity "2D" is a slimmed down, not so eyecandy filled version designed to run on slower hardware.
@JorgeCastro any idea when the business remix will get a amd64 build, and if so, will it cost lots 'o money?
user image
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jokerdino
jokerdino
LOL
 
Alvar
Alvar
@rlemon true, bu too call it 3d for using compiz is just stupid...
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
@jrg
serving right off of S3
 
jrg
jrg
@JorgeCastro :D
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
it's /awesome/
no apache or nginx
amazon just serves it for me
 
jrg
jrg
1:48 PM
Compiz is an OpenGL compositing manager @Alvar - OpenGL Alvar, OpenGL. OpenGL is 3D. ish.
@JorgeCastro Anything special you did?
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@JorgeCastro sexy, all deployed with juju?
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
about 5 minutes worth of config ^
 
jrg
jrg
because last I checked, s3 didn't have rsync.
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
@BrunoPereira no, it doesn't really work like that
@jrg in the rakefile you can say "s3"
 
jrg
jrg
Ok, so I can't charm it. :(
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
1:49 PM
im reading it
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
well, you can charm it
 
jrg
jrg
@JorgeCastro oh. never read that part. :P
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
but you wouldn't run it on the cloud, you run the results in the cloud
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg loool -- that 3 o's now that's 3d!
 
rlemon
rlemon
Pfft!
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
1:49 PM
I mean, I guess it can be charmed, if anything to make the ruby part easy
 
rlemon
rlemon
I hate it when a "Free Account" requires a credit card to register.
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
2 hours messing with ruby, 30 minutes actually messing with the blog, hah
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@rlemon its just in case you press the wrong service button so they can bill you ;)
 
jrg
jrg
I'm not sure what you did, because I've never spent that long doing that. :P
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
but its free!
 
rlemon
rlemon
1:50 PM
Yea, i'll stay away from the aws... still need a good host.
or possibly just a free fast dbserver.
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
@jrg it's mixing up packaged ruby stuff that i had on my machines and the rvm stuff
which I never got working
 
rlemon
rlemon
apparently all of ipages problems are their shotty mysql servers
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
but rbenv worked the first time, so I'm not complaining
 
jrg
jrg
@JorgeCastro ah, i see.
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
yeah so step two will be connecting it to cloudfront
I did the math, it will cost me like $3 a month to run the blog like this
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
1:52 PM
Hello.
 
jrg
jrg
Or you could do it on heroku via git and it'll cost you nothing?
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
oi
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Oh the new sound setting has landed in precise.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@jrg all my backups are complete (yes it takes days with me), time to move forwards! Wish me luck :)
 
jrg
jrg
@BrunoPereira wishing you luck! :)
 
Alvar
Alvar
1:57 PM
how do I change the theme in Unity?
this is unity "3d"
 
jrg
jrg
you installed gnome tweak tool right?
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg yeah
 
jrg
jrg
open that up and you have some options
 
Alvar
Alvar
how do I change the keyboard shortcuts?
@jrg in apperance I can only find like 5 themes...
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Alvar Y U NO search in Ask Ubuntu?
 
Alvar
Alvar
1:59 PM
@jokerdino you know, the search function is broken...
 
jrg
jrg
changing keyboard shortcuts are via ccsm, but I really don't recommend you do that because CSSM is a loaded shotgun pointed at your head with a shaky finger on the trigger.
@Alvar thats all you've got installed right now then, anything else will need to be installed by you.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@Alvar You can use the google search..
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jrg whaaat? I need to have terminal on f4 and not ctrl + alt + t ..
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
with site:askubuntu.com in front.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino too much work you know...
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:01 PM
LOOOOOL
Anyway, what theme you want to change?
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino ambiance
to another, I've imported it via wget
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Change to ambiance or from ambiance?
 
Alvar
Alvar
from ambiance to elementary graphite
 
jrg
jrg
ccsm > commands > command line 0 = gnome-terminal set your keyboard shortcut
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Why not suggest keyboard shortcuts from system settings?
 
Alvar
Alvar
2:02 PM
@jokerdino it's not there...
screenshot brb
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Ambiance is window theme or gtk theme?
 
Alvar
Alvar
 
jrg
jrg
except that will interfere with your close window plugin, so whatever you do from here on out is your own responsibility, you can and probably will break everything.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino window I think
 
rlemon
rlemon
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:04 PM
@alvar there is a keyboard thing under hardware
 
Alvar
Alvar
is my system settings correct?
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
click on it
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino not the same
@jokerdino doesn't help already been there..
 
jrg
jrg
@jokerdino you're running 12.04, 11.10 doesn't have that iirc
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@jrg not have what?
 
Alvar
Alvar
2:05 PM
@jokerdino there's just that I have a swedish layout, that's it..
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
I did have a bunch of errors and might need your help for something
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
I am pretty sure there is a shortcut in keyboard...
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
converting from tumblr -> markdown failed
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino NO THERE'S NOT i'VE JSUT CHECKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@alvar, this answer from me shows there was a keyboard shortcut option in 11.10
 
Gigili
Gigili
2:07 PM
@OctavianDamiean Still investigating? I have a question if you have a minute.
 
Alvar
Alvar
@jokerdino you idiot! that's compiz settings and not system settings!
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Scroll down to the second part.
 
jrg
jrg
@Alvar Calm down.
You're supposed to abide by the Ubuntu code of conduct while using this site, and it says in black and white be considerate, be respectful - and you're being anything but that to @jokerdino.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Bah. :/
 
jrg
jrg
So please, be respectful. Everyone in the chatroom and the greater community will appreciate it, and we might be able to help you more. :)
 
Alvar
Alvar
2:12 PM
...
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@alvar I think you are opening keyboard layout. I am not referring to that.
look under hardware, there is this option of the name 'Keyboard'.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
System Settings > Keyboard > keyboard Shortcuts
2
 
Alvar
Alvar
@BrunoPereira aaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa :D
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
Dude! :D
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
wuut, did I miss read what you where looking for?
 
Alvar
Alvar
2:19 PM
that's perfect! :D
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
@Gigili Shoot.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
I got no privacy option in my control-center. Boo
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
@jokerdino there was a question on the site about it, maybe a bug was already issued, have a look
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
@BrunoPereira and I voted to close it :D
no bug about it yet.
 
jrg
jrg
link me?
 
Octavian Damiean
Octavian Damiean
2:27 PM
Just for the record, I can already invoke the tab key and it already worked. I just have to find out how to direct all the actions to Unity.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
0
Q: No privacy control in system settings?

user45651 Possible Duplicate: There's an issue with an Alpha/Beta Release of Ubuntu, what should I do? I am using Ubuntu 12.04, and upgraded all packages to the last version. But I don't see any options for "privacy" in the Ubuntu system settings.

settings 12.04
 
jrg
jrg
oh i thought it was still open.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
Closed! Boooooooooooo! Those guys are sutch retards!
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
i thought so too. but it seems to be closed.
@jrg you have privacy in your system settings?
 
jrg
jrg
nope
then again, i haven't updated in a little bit.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:32 PM
I only saw it in the OMG article. no where else.
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
I think it shows if you install the Zeitgeist Global Privacy tool only
 
jrg
jrg
i don't see any zeitgeist global privacy packages
results for "zeitgeist*' = zeitgeist zeitgeist-datahub zeitgeist-fts-extension
zeitgeist-core zeitgeist-extension-fts
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
sec
 
jrg
jrg
@NN and I thought I was nutes about answer rates. ;) (nice work on meta BTW!)
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
how do you compare a cd iso to the recorded version?
 
jrg
jrg
2:38 PM
other than the md5 checksum?
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
command line checksum?
found it
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
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A: How can I keep recent files from appearing in Unity?

Manish SinhaMethod 1: Using Activity Log Manager Ubuntu Precise 12.04 In Ubuntu Precise Activity Log Manager 0.9 is included by default. It can be accessed from System Settings or just by looking for Privacy. Or you can simply type Privacy in Dash Now you can start blacklisting applications. Screens...

sudo apt-get install activity-log-manager-control-center
 
Bruno Pereira
Bruno Pereira
see? ;)
ok, going down, see you in 15 mins :)
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
It is not installed by default.
 
jrg
jrg
In Ubuntu Precise Activity Log Manager 0.9 is included by default. It can be accessed from System Settings or just by looking for Privacy.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:43 PM
Or may be it is, But updating precise didn't install it here.
 
jrg
jrg
mmeh, whatever
 
Jorge Castro
Jorge Castro
I think it's stuck in the NEW queue
 
Questions Feed
Questions Feed
How should we handle wifi and other connection type questions? http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/2484/how-should-we-handle-wifi-and-other-connection-type-questions
Tweeted by StackUbuntu on February 10, 2012 at 2:27 PM
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
0
Q: A few questions from a total newby?

Panagiotis KI have installed ubuntu 11 yesterday and I have to say, i am totally impressed! After using Windows for almost 15 years... So, I have a few questions... I have been playing around with different desktops, unity, unity-2d, gnome2 and gnome3, kubuntu etc. I want to remove all and keep unity and ...

unity
Can we NARQ it?
 
jrg
jrg
Yes.
 
rlemon
rlemon
2:48 PM
CSS freaks... jsfiddle.net/rlemon/YF4nS <- how do I make it so the container does not shift when a scrollbar is introduced (aside from forcing scrollbars)
 
Oli
Oli
@rlemon Not easily. body's dimensions change when the scroller pops up, so it is forced to recentre. The way I used to fix this a decade ago was by forcing the scrollbar all the time in IE but I've learned to live with it now.
You can still do this. You do something silly like set body {height:101%} IIRC
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
 
Oli
Oli
@rlemon Or if you want to get really douchey about it, you can set up a fixed container that is 100% of the screen that hides its browser-given scroller and replaces it with a pop-over scroller but that leaves you responsible to fix a whole swathe of built-in functionality (like wheel and wheel-click scrolling)
 
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
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Q: install firefox in ubuntu-server edition

Vaibhav MishraI have ubuntu server edition installed and I want to install firefox inside it , I don't want full ubuntu-desktop package just a minimal setup which would let me run firefox inside ubuntu-server 10.04 LTS

ubuntu firefox ubuntu-server
 
Oli
Oli
But my main recommendation is to live with it. Failing that keep the scrollbar up all the time.
 
rlemon
rlemon
2:53 PM
@Oli i'm considering overflow-y: scroll
 
Oli
Oli
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Q: HTML/CSS: Making the main scrollbar always visible

Deniz DoganI saw a trick once on a website which made the main scrollbar of the page always stay visible. I can't remember how it was done. Does anyone know?

html css xhtml
 
rlemon
rlemon
ffs, too man tabs open.. just killed the chat trying to switch to it.
needs to use ctrl+tab
 
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