Game Development

Noctrine

8:00 PM

The final tally is in 8 days.

Then the data is available for auditing. For example -> gamedev.stackexchange.com/election/1

Election 1

Code Assassin

@Noctrine Why can't we let a program count it or something. Why do it manually I don't understand..

:< i is confuse

ManishEarth

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Noctrine

A program does.

ManishEarth

> Winners are Josh Petrie and Byte56.

Alex M.

wooooooo

awesome

@Byte56 be sure to still stick around the chat, it's been nice having you around

I know @JoshPetrie used to drop by quite often

Noctrine

8:02 PM

Josh still does drop by quite often

Thats why he is a room owner

Alex M.

before the election I meant

byte56 only came in rarely

Code Assassin

@ManishEarth NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I SHOULD HAVE WON

Noooooooooooo. Where's the no button when you need it

ClassicThunder

Recount!!!!!

Almo

3 votes! awesome!

Code Assassin

Yes!

The program is obviously confused

Let me code it please.

Is that thing open source?

>:3

ManishEarth

8:04 PM

opavote.org/results/1825001/0

petervaz

cool, 2 of my picks

Code Assassin

Congrats to @JoshPetrie and @Byte56. Don't let us down!

Almo

:D

I voted for them, too.

werk over; see you guys tomorrow

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Q: How do I see expression values while debugging a subproject in XCode 4.6?

I have a cocos2d project I'm working on. I've included the cocos2d Xcode project as a link: When I am debugging and it goes into cocos2d files, the debugger doesn't show any variable values, but shows their names and types. How do I fix this? I've tried many of the solutions listed for this is...

xcode4

Code Assassin

I didn't vote. I am underage.

according to interwebz laws

lolololol

ManishEarth

@CodeAssassin You're <13?

Quonux

8:08 PM

>Suggested donation for using OpenSTV for an election is $50.
is this a joke
give us please... 50...thousand...thousand...million...dollars

Code Assassin

@ManishEarth = 13

Shotgun Ninja

lolololol

-4

Q: D, Vala or Go for game development

I'm looking forward to choose some compiled language for my 3D engine. The engine it's written in C++, however I would like to help coders by using a language which is good for games. I came with these three: Vala, D and Go. The engine is being made to write as less code as posible, also the "mai...

engine go

Code Assassin

on June 28th = 14

ManishEarth

@CodeAssassin Ah. Good. You saved yourself an untimely Internet-death from the hands of COPPA

Shotgun Ninja

Languages that are good for games: D, Vala, and Go.

Code Assassin

8:08 PM

@ManishEarth Lol

Noctrine

I expected Josh to take it in the first round :\

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja Go beats all of them and you know that.

Shotgun Ninja

Hokay

Code Assassin

@Noctrine Does this mean you are not Mod anymore

Noctrine

Then I had anko and byte down as strong contenders for round 2

I'm still a mod :\

Quonux

8:09 PM

gui programming is so boring :(

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux Then design your GUI in an editor. Don't program your GUI.

Code Assassin

@Noctrine OH MI

Shotgun Ninja

Work smarter not harder.

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja True Grit.

Quonux

i can't :/

Shotgun Ninja

8:10 PM

If you're in a good situation to be able to, try making a simple tool to assist you in the most mundane tasks of creating your GUI, and see if that helps.

Even if it's just a code generator.

Quonux

i didn't choose java or c++ as a language so this is a nono

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux The choice of language is irrelevant. (with some exceptions.) If there's a task, there's a tool.

If there isn't a tool, then make one.

Evan

Gui programming doesnt have to be boring. You could write your own system to render swf files, that sounds interesting

Quonux

LOL

Shotgun Ninja

Out of curiosity, what language are you using?

Code Assassin

8:12 PM

I fail to understand the humor in this situation.

Evan

No cash for scaleform, no problem!

Tetrad

so we finally have active gamedev mods whose names aren't "Jesse"

Quonux

@ShotgunNinja i use D

@CodeAssassin I find it funny because i interpreted it that way that i need to write a swf parser and rendering engine

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux So make a tool that generates GUIs in D based on some configuration settings. Or shift your existing GUI work from the actual game project to making a tool for making further GUIs.

ClassicThunder

I see Nocturnal around on occasion.

Shotgun Ninja

8:13 PM

Nocturne, you mean?

Code Assassin

No, his full name is Nocturnal. #yoloswag64

Shotgun Ninja

oh.

Evan

Just 2D overlays, render it after transparencies, and before post processing :)

Quonux

actually i don't have so much gui code, just the basics

Code Assassin

I use WPF or Windows Forms in C# or when I use C++ I use QT when it comes to GUI programming.

I hate doing it from scratch though.

Noctrine

8:15 PM

I need to step up my game now :/ Josh and Byte throw off the scale.

Quonux

@Noctrine with what/which games?

Shotgun Ninja

I totally didn't see the questionnaire, to be honest.

I had a nomination up there as sort of a joke; I've been busy at work today, and didn't check the front page to see the questionnaire post.

Alex M.

hahaha, 30 new friends in the past hour

look at the numbers going up!

Code Assassin

how 2 become a mod?

Alex M.

I was expecting PyInProg to ask that

ClassicThunder

8:21 PM

How does the votes beign transfered away work?

Code Assassin

@AlexM. delete me;

Alex M.

whyyy

oh no, with the number of friends, the amount of bullshit showing on my newsfeed increased too

but alas, we must make sacrifices

Shotgun Ninja

@CodeAssassin Segmentation Fault

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja This is what I get for pointing fingers.

if delete was actually called chop

Quonux

maybe a silly question, are there some guidelines or tuts about how to write your own (not immediate mode) GUI from the ground up

Code Assassin

8:26 PM

chop []fingers

fingers = NULL

Gajoo

@ShotgunNinja not really

Code Assassin

I don't know how I'm still typing.

Gajoo

it won't cause a segmentation fault unless, you read/write any member variable or call virtual functions.

Quonux

@CodeAssassin compilation error: fingers is not an l value!

Shotgun Ninja

@Gajoo There's a potential if the pointer has already been deleted once before, and the operating system has reclaimed the memory.

Gajoo

8:28 PM

@ShotgunNinja still not relevant.

delete this won't cause any memory issue at all given those conditions I already mentioned

Code Assassin

You guys are complaining about who' right and who's wrong when I've chopped my own fingers off. Programmers....

Shotgun Ninja

@Gajoo (Whoever it was) said delete me; not delete this;

Alex M.

kill -11 CodeAssassin

Quonux

@CodeAssassin is this valid C Code?

Gajoo

@CodeAssassin yeah, you didn't need your fingers in the first place, so it's not relevant either.

Stack Exchange

8:30 PM

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Q: 2013 Moderator Election Results

Game Development's second moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied, and the new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice as they learn the ropes! For details on how the v...

discussion featured election

Gajoo

@ShotgunNinja I'm pretty sure he already defined me as this!

Code Assassin

@Gajoo You are a very evil person.

(lol)

Gajoo

@CodeAssassin well you can still type, so your argument is invalid!

Shotgun Ninja

If me is a dangling pointer, though, such as if the object formerly pointed to by this was deleted, then you may encounter a segfault.

Noctrine

Two-round system

The two-round system (also known as the second ballot, runoff voting or ballotage) is a voting system used to elect a single winner where the voter casts a single vote for their chosen candidate. However, if no candidate receives the required number of votes (usually an absolute majority or 40-45% with a winning margin of 5-15%), then those candidates having less than a certain proportion of the votes, or all but the two candidates receiving the most votes, are eliminated, and a second round of voting occurs. The two round system is used around the world for the election of legislative ...

Quonux

8:31 PM

@AlexM. what if he is a root process

Alex M.

what if he isn't even on something Unix-like

Gajoo

@ShotgunNinja can you give a code example?

Noctrine

Wait, not that one :\

Alex M.

what if he doesn't even exist

what if the world ends before I can input the command

what if...

Code Assassin

@AlexM. It is good to question the mortality of programs.

Gajoo

8:32 PM

@AlexM. he could still run in kernel level.

all OSs support kernel level apps.

Alex M.

okay

Shotgun Ninja

static Thing* me;
void Thing::foo() {
   me = this;
}
static void Thing::bar() {
   delete me;
}
int main() {
    Thing* baz = new Thing();
    delete baz;
    Thing::bar();
}

Alex M.

what if he is running in the park

yeah that might get you flagged

for being too scary

Shotgun Ninja

It's absolutely horrid practice, but it's possible.

Code Assassin

gamejolt.com/games/other/imscared-a-pixelated-nightmare/10058

Gajoo

8:33 PM

@ShotgunNinja still no runtime error after calling either foo or bar

Byte56

<---- First blue post

Quonux

wohooo

Byte56

Phew, I was worried that wouldn't work :p

ClassicThunder

ooooooohhhhhh

shiny

Quonux

dont get flagged byte

for not praising thework of the gods :D

Shotgun Ninja

8:34 PM

shoot, forgot to throw in a call to baz->foo() in there.

Accursed message-edit close time.

Byte56

Thanks for everyone that voted

Code Assassin

If any of you have the Ouya please consider checking out 8 Bit Ninjas( a friend of mine made it... SHAMELESS PLUG fo' him)

Alex M.

congrats @Byte56 & @JoshPetrie

sob

they grow up so fast sob

Shotgun Ninja

lol

Code Assassin

@AlexM. Yes.

Shotgun Ninja

8:36 PM

Also, some awesome programmer's koans, for your entertainment.

Quonux

why does useless stuff get stared as useful for example the "tony stork" stuff?

Noctrine

Starred doesn't necessarily mean 'useful'

Code Assassin

@Quonux I'm a sit-down comedian. Don't hate.

Shotgun Ninja

Starred means interesting or useful.

Alex M.

@Quonux the tony stork is genius

ClassicThunder

8:37 PM

@Quonux This is chat not GDSE :P

Shotgun Ninja

Pinned means especially relevant to the chat and its users.

Quonux

so relevant = funny

:D

Shotgun Ninja

But, accent on "interesting".

Noctrine

The stars are more like little bookmarks to past interesting conversations.

Mostly because, we don't use the bookmark feature very much here :\

Shotgun Ninja

Funny -> interesting.

ClassicThunder

8:38 PM

There is a bookmark feature?

Shotgun Ninja

heyo @0xFFF1

0xFFF1

hello

Noctrine

Yep, click the down arrow on Room

Quonux

hidden features...

ToddersLegrande

@Byte56 @JoshPetrie congrats!

ClassicThunder

8:38 PM

Oh thats not intuitive at all

Byte56

@ToddersLegrande Thanks.

ClassicThunder

Yup congrats you were one of my picks. In fact my picks were 1-3 lol.

Shotgun Ninja

Josh was one of my picks, followed by Vaughan and Almo.

Alex M.

I picked Byte and Josh too

Code Assassin

@Byte56 I did not get a thank you. This is offending. Please consider your re-election... sir. (lololol)

Noctrine

8:40 PM

Josh, Anko, Byte. I'd considered Vaughan, but he never filled out the questions.

Alex M.

Byte because he stuck with us on the chat and he's always helpful

ClassicThunder

@Noctrine Yeah me too and he seems so excited to go fill it out :/

Alex M.

Josh for the same reasons + he's the Guild Wars developer guy

Noctrine

Also, his intentions weren't really a fit for being a mod :\

He's also a moderator on GameDev.net fwiw :p

Code Assassin

@Noctrine Vigilante!

0xFFF1

8:41 PM

i want to know what it is like to program C++ exclusively on a terminal, (MS-DOS etc) and I know how to change directory and see the current dir's contents and w/e. Just that I can always pop on over to windows explorer to get a better view, and even cmd.exe is kinda windowsy. It wouldn't really be nostalgia for me because my first computer was an xp. I just want to know how they used to do it first hand.

ClassicThunder

later peeps

0xFFF1

any Unix OS's that have text based UIs but all the programs?

Code Assassin

@ClassicThunder lol bai

Byte56

@CodeAssassin Thank you.

Noctrine

@0xFFF1 I can't even imagine actual programming w/ CMD. The *nix terminal on the other hand is pure sexy.

0xFFF1

8:43 PM

like plain text editors, compilers and linkers and everythign like that?

Shotgun Ninja

@0xFFF1 I have a friend who writes programs on a terminal, using Vi. He has a really strong short-term memory, since a bunch of his workflow is spent navigating manually around the filesystem.

Code Assassin

@Noctrine can mods tell who flags all the stuff in chat?

Shotgun Ninja

Also, he loves automated build-test-deploy systems.

Noctrine

Dunno

Shotgun Ninja

All he has to do is run git in terminal, and push his code changes up to a CI server for verification.

Quonux

8:44 PM

ow i smell an upcomming discussion

Code Assassin

@Noctrine :(

Noctrine

@CodeAssassin I can neither confirm nor deny that someone has the ability to see your flags.

0xFFF1

i have a menu when I boot up my computer that ubuntu put in. can i put another Unix OS in there?

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux That's what chat is for, lol

0xFFF1

it lets me boot windows too

Shotgun Ninja

8:45 PM

@0xFFF1, did you use Wubi?

Code Assassin

Got it

Quonux

so my question is: can you programm in vi as effective/fast as in eclipse or even faster?

Noctrine

I can't/won't tell you who flagged you.

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux It's typically about as fast; but it has a steeper learning curve which is more centered around muscle memory.

Evan

I dont understand how artists can effectively use Maya, this tool has way too much going on. Every time i try to use it it takes me 15 minutes to do the simplest thing :P

Noctrine

8:47 PM

@Quonux It depends on what you are doing, and how prone to distractions you are.

@Evan Years of practice.

Shotgun Ninja

@Evan Hotkeys, for the most part.

0xFFF1

i want to type up a program with ease, save it, tell it to compile with a quick command and run it with another command and see it go. or to save the executable so my windows OS or Ubuntu can access it

Quonux

remembers me of my old 3ds experience

it take like 1...2gb ram, is very slowish...

and the best, it doesn'T support either real poly modelling or nurbs modelling

polymodelling -> blender

nurbs -> rhino?

Shotgun Ninja

@Quonux I don't think that word means exactly what you think it means.

Quonux

right...

it doesn't even exist

Shotgun Ninja

8:50 PM

NURBS, short for Non-Uniform Rational B-Splines, are a rendering technique and geometric modeling method which uses mathematical descriptions of splines (3-d curved lines) to represent facets of geometry. It's not specific to any given program; rather, it's a general approach to representing virtual geometry.

Quonux

ow u mean that

no i know what im talking about

Shotgun Ninja

Yeah, okay. My bad. Just looked up Rhino.

Quonux

u can't really model anything with nurbs in 3ds max decently

its just ainful and broken

*+p

Shotgun Ninja

Well, there are plugins that make it a bit easier to manage, but the interface for it is clunky, from what I remember.

I haven't used max in years; I've only dabbled with it, since my forte is programming.

Quonux

yes, rhino is just a dream for nurbs modelling, but im no pro in it

Shotgun Ninja

8:53 PM

I'll have to give it a look-see.

Quonux

i think we are here all coders

Shotgun Ninja

But, it's my girlfriend's birthday today, so I must be off. Adios.

cu

;D

hf

8:54 PM

bai

Alex M.

bye

Byte56

Anyone know what the threshold is for? opavote.org/results/1825001/0

Noctrine

what was that :\

I think it's like a first past the post kind of thing.

The amount of users you have to have had vote for you to be uncontested in your position.

Based on how many people participated.

Byte56

Yeah, it says " indicates the number of votes that ensures that a candidate will win a seat."

0xFFF1

yea if there is a Unix based OS whose only purpose is text editing compiling and debugging a multitude of languages (one including C++), can be used exclusively text based but can also run pixel based gfx full screen, does everything a programmer needs and not much else, and either boots when the computer boots if the CD or w/e is in or otherwise can be added the the Ubuntu boot list... that'd be awesome and I'd want to try it

Byte56

8:57 PM

I mean, that makes sense, but why would it need to redistribute the remainder?

Noctrine

@0xFFF1 You want an IDE OS?

Why can't you just use ubuntu in terminal only mode?

I can't remember the style of election

0xFFF1

yeah, something catered specifically to programmers and can be booted on and off quickly

Byte56

Oh, it probably redistributes based on the rank people gave when voting.

Noctrine

Yeah

ToddersLegrande

I don't know if remainder relates to threshold or not... in either case I think its because we get first, 2nd, and 3rd picks instead of just a single vote

Noctrine

8:59 PM

So, as a hypothetical

Say You were Code's first choice

and Josh was his second choice

0xFFF1

if ubuntu can be booted in terminal only mode that woul work

Noctrine

You were elected, then the votes that go to his second choice are redistributed

Found it!

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Q: How are moderator election votes counted, in plain English?

The election pages' sidebars state that Stack Exchange elections use the Meek STV vote-counting method: After m days, the final voting results will be freely downloadable from this page forever, and we will calculate the n winners using OpenSTV with the Meek STV method. How does that work? ...

support election

Byte56

Makes sense

Oh nice.

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