Game Development

Alex M.

12:00 AM

got it wrong?

Byte56

Yeah, it wasn't smooth at all.

Alex M.

must be me then

Byte56

Since I was answering your question, I wasn't smart enough to not answer any.

Hence the DOH.

Alex M.

ooooh, so you were answering the question

I thought you meant it as an impersonation of someone else

Byte56

It was a joke

Joke

A joke is something spoken, written, or done with humorous intention. Jokes may have many different forms, e.g., a single word or a gesture (considered in a particular context), a question-answer, or a whole short story. The word "joke" has , including wisecrack, gag, prank, quip, jape and jest., To achieve their end, jokes may employ irony, sarcasm, word play and other devices. Jokes may have a punch line, i.e. an ending to make it humorous. A practical joke or prank differs from a spoken joke in that the major component of the humour is physical rather than verbal (for example plac...

Alex M.

12:01 AM

I'm a bit slow at this hour :(

jokes aside, I practice the question 1) philosophy myself

the dumber I consider myself, the clearer the road ahead is

and I can more easily see what's still to learn

my only turnoff is that someday I'll die so I won't be able to continue learning forever

Byte56

There isn't much you can continue doing forever.

Alex M.

perhaps we'll be able to share our minds with machines before I die

and build a robot to do exactly what I'd do

Icy Defiance

I'm really hoping for immortality or the singularity before I die, and according to many people I have a good chance of it. until then, I just plan to learn anything I can and work toward things I enjoy.

Alex M.

if not, I'll just leave what I know for the next generation

Icy Defiance

as for the answer to 1), I don't care how smart I am. I just want to keep learning anyway. I do have a very poor opinion of the intelligence of most humans, though, arrogant of me or not.

Alex M.

12:05 AM

perhaps they'll be able to share their minds with machines instead

Byte56

Well, living forever has been just around the corner for a while.

Icy Defiance

scientists are aware of the chemical that makes lobsters and at least one species of jellyfish biologically immortal. problem is humans would die of cancer earlier than normal from it.

Byte56

Man, it's past 5 and I'm still at work.

I'm going home.

Later all.

Alex M.

it's 3 AM here

Icy Defiance

o7

Alex M.

12:07 AM

I should go to sleep

cya @Byte56

I need an introduction for my blog post, can't go to sleep w/o having that written

Noctrine

@ToddersLegrande - :O Secrets Secrets, just got to that episode of the office

ToddersLegrande

Are you catching up on past chat conversation or did you JUST see that on the Office? :P

Noctrine

Just saw it

I've good memory :p

ToddersLegrande

Nice

Benjamin Franklin...

0xFFF1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD
heck, i think I want to try making one of these. any C++ libraries that facilitate the communication between a MUD client and a server I make? I think MUDs generally use telnet though. or are there other kinds. Also I want the actual MUD making to be very open ended. as in nothing telling me I can only use 1 PC per player. ( i want to make a Tactical Clock based tick based RPG. (like Fire Emblem sortof)

Alex M.

12:10 AM

fun fact: RuneScape was started as a MUD

called Devious MUD

0xFFF1

lol

Noctrine

I used to love graphical MUDs back in the day

Alex M.

@0xFFF1 this was, many centuries ago

0xFFF1

naw

Icy Defiance

in computer years, it was

0xFFF1

12:11 AM

lol

Alex M.

^devious mud

Noctrine

Most MUDs use telnet.

0xFFF1

holy fudge that is outside varrock

front gate

i think

Alex M.

original RuneScape

Icy Defiance

original RuneScape was fun, what with only one person being able to talk to an NPC at a time.

Alex M.

12:14 AM

RuneScape in 2013, all dressed up in HTML5

0xFFF1

so is telnet incredibly simple for send/receive messages? and buffers for messages and whatnot?

or do i need a library to get started

Noctrine

Telnet

Telnet is a network protocol used on the Internet or local area networks to provide a bidirectional interactive text-oriented communication facility using a virtual terminal connection. User data is interspersed in-band with Telnet control information in an 8-bit byte oriented data connection over the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP). Telnet was developed in 1969 beginning with RFC 15, extended in RFC 854, and standardized as Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Internet Standard STD 8, one of the first Internet standards. Historically, Telnet provided access to a command-line inte...

:D

0xFFF1

is it possible to encrypt login data via telnet?

Noctrine

STD 8

Two Internet Engineering Task Force standards proposed by Jonathan B. Postel and J.K. Reynolds from University of Southern California Information Sciences Institute in their Request for Comments published in May 1983. Among other features Telnet protocol was assigned server port 23. * STD 8 (RFC 854): Telnet Protocol Specification * STD 8 (RFC 855): Telnet Option Specifications References External links *[http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/stdlist.html List of Full Standard RFCs] *[http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcxx00.html Official Internet Protocol Standards]

:D

Alex M.

I can't think of a good introduction for my post :(

Icy Defiance

12:18 AM

that's okay. I've been thinking of making a blog for a long time, but haven't thought of anything worth writing about in the first place:D

Alex M.

I need good words here

I could start ex abrupto

and even mark it as such

or...

aaargh damnit

Noctrine

Yeah, I'd just start

Alex M.

maybe after some sleep

Noctrine

Never heard anyone go, my, that was a stunning blog introduction

Icy Defiance

no, but people may stop reading after a bad one

Alex M.

12:22 AM

I kinda need to introduce the article series somehow, so people get to like them

the first lines are crucial, as they're being read first

0xFFF1

since PuTTY can use SSH, should I just get a C++ library for SSH? any reccommendations?

Alex M.

although, being a very (VERY) long series, they might gain traction only later on when introductions won't be very necessary

"Making the house smarter, one step at a time"

at least I've got a fancy title

this should be good enough

Noctrine

:\

Last time I help

@0xFFF1 topmudsites.com/forums/mud-coding/6163-developing-scratch.html

0xFFF1

sry

didnt realize i shouldve been googling stuff instead of asking

Noctrine

whathaveyoutried.com

Alex M.

12:26 AM

think of 'what have you tried' as of details coming from your users when a bug show up

Noctrine

Woah

Alex M.

compare "uhhh, some error closed the program" to "yeah, I was entering XXXX in the name textbox in the first page, then clicked on the button Y which opened the page #2 but all text on it was broken, and when I clicked X it threw this error"

0xFFF1

i have actually seen this before when i was around 18 yo. im 21 now

Noctrine

Looking at that thread has made me realize something.

That Kylotan, is our @Kylotan :O

So, if you have MUD questions after trying stuff. There is at least one person here with prior experience :D

Alex M.

that's it, I'll continue writing tomorrow

and go to sleep now

Noctrine

12:28 AM

I've got a GUI to build

user11177

why do cats really..REALLY like hiding under cars?

silly cats

Code Assassin

@user11177 Protection. Cars tend to be warm sometimes.

Almo

i think it's a jungle thing; they like being hidden

Quonux

12:49 AM

hm byte is away :(

>@PythonInProgress A high level language like C# or Java

java is not an high level language

Almo

it's not?

Quonux

its crappy like C ;)

Almo

you don't have pointers or memory management to worry about

no &, *, **...

Quonux

but you have still other things to worry about

integer over/underrun

off by one

Almo

High-level programming language

In computer science, a high-level programming language is a programming language with strong abstraction from the details of the computer. In comparison to low-level programming languages, it may use natural language elements, be easier to use, or may automate (or even hide entirely) significant areas of computing systems (e.g. memory management), making the process of developing a program simpler and more understandable relative to a lower-level language. The amount of abstraction provided defines how "high-level" a programming language is. The first high-level programming language design...

Quonux

12:51 AM

yes its called a high level language

like c and c++ and so on

but java is highly overrated

like the problem solver of everything

Almo

C does not seem high level to me

it's glorified assembler

Quonux

ofc it is

Almo

java hides a hell of a lot of stuff C doesn't

Quonux

but if you programmed a time in python java feels like c++

for an iteration over elements in anown container you have to write a for loop

Almo

I've programmed in Python, 6502 assembly, C, C++, C#, Objective-C, FORTRAN, PASCAL, various flavors of BASIC, UnrealScript, a little Groovy

probably some others too

javascript, A2 and AS3, Lingo...

Quonux

12:54 AM

hm take python

python does have lamda's...java doesn't

Almo

Java abstracts much of what you have to worry about in computers

lamda doesn't mean high-level

abstraction of the hardware does

Quonux

even as pyhthon is much older than java

Almo

C file pointers are pretty finicky compared to java

Java is probably overrated, but it is certainly "high-level".

Quonux

not enought...

Noctrine

So, how would you class Java then?

Almo

12:57 AM

maybe he would struct Java?

Quonux

its called high level but the abstraction in python is on a more higher level than that of java

Almo

I don't know which are worse: mathematician jokes, or programmer jokes.

that does not mean that java is not high level

Quonux

:/

Almo

empire state building is a tall building. that thing in dubai is much higher, but the empire state is still tall

Quonux

ok ic

Noctrine

12:58 AM

And Java still isn't C

Quonux

roblem ic with java

* no posibility to overload operators

Almo

that doesn't make it not a high-level language

that has nothing to do with abstraction from the hardware

Quonux

ill never get this design decision

Almo

it leads to opaque code

Noctrine

You wanna take it higher? Groovy :p

Almo

1:00 AM

if you hide matrix multiplication in *, you can do a * b and do a ton of calculations without even knowing it

user11177

is it possible to write a real game in python?

Quonux

or compare functional languages to imperative ones

Almo

that's my guess

Quonux

which is "higher"

Almo

still has nothing to do with high-level

"In computer science, a high-level programming language is a programming language with strong abstraction from the details of the computer."

I linked to the Wikipedia definition earlier

Quonux

1:01 AM

i know ofc the definition

Almo

you don't seem to be applying it

Noctrine

He's mostly arguing that the definition is wrong.

This camp exists :\

Quonux

no i am not

ok another example

Almo

I'm going into a LoL game. see you guys later. :)

Quonux

(deletewhere (> (+ 5 x) 10) mylist)

is imho a higher abstraction than writing

Noctrine

1:03 AM

You are still looking at it in a very relative sense though.

That there are higher abstractions, doesn't negate that another abstraction is high.

Quonux

for(int i = 0; i < ArrayA.length; i++){
if( !(10 > (ArrayA[i] + 5)) { add to list}}

Noctrine

If I made a language that lets me speak plain english to my computer and it built things, does that make other languages low level?

Quonux

ofc not

in the next life ill use other terms, its confusing :/

ill use the word groovy

more groovy...sounds cool

Noctrine

Groovy was a link :p

Quonux

and its a language

Noctrine

1:07 AM

groovy.codehaus.org

Quonux

im still searching for a word to replace "high level language" :)

and its late here

gn8 orgood morning or whatever

long live tony stork :D

hi byte56

do you know water does have a tripple point?

Byte56

Since it changes phases, I assume it does.

And yes according to the wikipedia page for triple point.

What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

Quonux

what do you mean?

Byte56

Nevermind.

Why the question about Triple point?

Quonux

it wasn't rethorical :/

im really really away

gn8

Byte56

1:22 AM

Later.

Noctrine

:\ just realizing, I can use all those fancy new animations from mecanim during my prototyping phase

sm4

3:47 AM

Congratulations to @Byte56 and @JoshPetrie!

Byte56

@sm4 Thanks!

sm4

BTW this is now showing in the stackoverflow right panel, can we put it in our right panel too? Or just paste it to each closed question for the askers to read it?

blog.stackoverflow.com/2013/06/the-war-of-the-closes/?cb=1

Byte56

It's in our right panel too.

sm4

Doh! Need more coffee.

@Byte56 BTW that duplicate you found on Angry birds dotted line already produced 3 badges (revival, disciplined and necromancer) and 50-30=20 rep :) You deserve I owe you one badge ;)

Byte56

Heh, nice work. I just pointed the way, you did the work.

BlueBug

5:29 AM

The last message was posted 2 hours ago. NNNO!!!

Kikaimaru

5:41 AM

So i start rotating robot, and want to turn it by 90 degrees, each frame i turn i by a little * elapsedGameTime. And this ends up at 90.17658921 or some fraction. How is this usually solved? by having fixed timestep and each frame turning about value that will and up as whole number after x frames?

BlueBug

5:54 AM

@Kikaimaru real robot?

Kikaimaru

@BlueBug no a robot in game

BlueBug

me only make small app games. Sorry.

If it was a real roboy

i was gona say u can't since it's a hardware problem.

Kikaimaru

6:24 AM

@BlueBug ì could just calculate how many degrees the robots turns when i say i want 90, and then use lesser or bigger value, so that 89 for example would mean 90 in robots terms

sm4

I am checking for such problems at the beginning of each cycle and reset them to the max/min values. I used to have some checks in my game, typically:

if (x < 0 ) { x = 0; }

But then I just put there invisible wall and let the collision engine handle it :D

Kikaimaru

hm i could just allow rotation by whole degrees, but i think it would look weird :)

sm4

How do you detect that it is already 90? (or 90+)? Why don't you just correct the value there before rendering?

Kikaimaru

@sm4 at the start of rotation i store goalangle (currentAngle + howMuchToTurn) and then i check if my currentAngle > goalAngle

sm4

You can't be sure how much "little" is anyway, right? What if it lags before the last little * time and you end up with 99? :)

if (currentAngle > goalAngle) { currentAngle = goalAngle; doOtherStuff(); }

Kikaimaru

6:35 AM

sadly i cant change currentAngle directly from code that is checking this :)

sm4

you can always make it deferred, no?

if (currentAngle > goalAngle) { setCurrentAngleInSomeOtherThread(goalAngle); doOtherStuff(); }

hm, that gets complicated :D

Kikaimaru

i cant do that either

code that is checking the angle is in users hands, and they could cheat with stuff like that

sm4

Hm, then I don't know :)

Kikaimaru

i currently set Rotation to +1 or -1, and then rotate object, i could maybe set GoalRotation instead and then let engine rotate to correct angle

sm4

6:54 AM

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Q: Auto-organized / smart inventory system?

for the past week I've been working on an inventory system with Unity3D. At first I got help from the guys at Design3 but it wasn't too long till we split path, because I really didn't like the way they did their code, it didn't have any smell of OOP whatsoever. I took it further steps ahead - i...

I hope it will be welcome here, it appeared in Stackoverflow and looks like a good questions :)

user11177

8:45 AM

mmmmhmhmhm morning coffee

Matt D

9:42 AM

sup

lynks

10:30 AM

Hi folks, I have a very abstract and simple question about opengl;

I don't fully understand the role of the gl* calls vs the role of the shaders. I have seen examples of textured polygons with no mention of shader code, while I have seen other examples of 'basic texture shaders'. Could someone help me understand the difference between the two?

Alex M.

10:57 AM

@CodeAssassin my cat used to stay near the exhaust, always smelling everything

would always come out dizzy

sm4

@AlexM. My cat used to love cigarette smoke. Died of cancer, poor second hand smoker...

Alex M.

lol I guess mine only liked getting high

not sure how it's doing now, squeezed itself below the gate and went outside

my guess is that some kids found it and took it in

(still a kitten)

sm4

@AlexM. My cats liked to get high on the liquid you use to pickle olives (is this even correct english?). They would lick it and then do crazy dance on their backs on the kitchen floor. With their legs up. Like worms or crippled breakdancers.

Alex M.

that's a bit creepy :O

sm4

@AlexM. No, it was just funny as hell.

Did you know that Blizzard was working on an adventure game?

Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans

WarCraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans was a black comedy point-and-click adventure computer game under development by Blizzard Entertainment that was set in the Warcraft universe, and cancelled before its release. American company Animation Magic was out-sourced due to their experience in classical two-dimensional animation to produce the twenty-two minutes of fully animated sequences, the game's artwork, the coding of the engine and the implementation of the sound effects. Blizzard then provided all the designs, the world backgrounds, sound recording and ensured storyline continuity. ...

Alex M.

11:08 AM

yeah

sm4

There is a video from Warcraft Adventures, probably from some developer. I'd love to play this!

►

Alex M.

some people reported getting hands on a copy once

last time one heard of such a person, the guy said the copy is in Russia

sm4

Most likely, the game studio is Russian

Alex M.

Blizzard ceased the project because it did not meet their quality expectations

so it was almost ready

sm4

Despite their press release, rumours still persist the game was cancelled due to projected low sales from the deteriorating market of the Adventure game genre.

Maybe both.

Alex M.

11:10 AM

Abandonia.com's april's fools joke was giving this game for free

take a look at the discussion spawned by it on the forums, there's some gems there lol

sm4

But that's the kinda game that would be very enjoyable and probably endup on my shelf just next to Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis!

Alex M.

Former Icelandic minister asked “8 or 9” FBI agents to leave country
Agents said they were there to stop hackers, were really investigating WikiLeaks.

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/…

user11177

I think USA should invade Iceland

send drones to do strikes on the terrorists they are hiding over there

Alex M.

not now man, you need to say that when there are more users online

sm4

Or we can star it...

Alex M.

11:23 AM

that's not how you spell "flag"

sm4

@AlexM. Oh yeah, I forgot Alex M. is the expert on flags :D

Alex M.

they see me rollin', they flaggin #swag

told you flagging is the new jQuery here

codepen.io/nakome/pen/LAbrq whoa :O

the new power-efficient Sharp LED TV is available in Romania

when running in wallpaper mode (showing some images) its consumption is comparable to that of a small lightbulb

$1770.9 at the moment

0xFFF1

11:50 AM

hi Alex.

I have this program now called depends.exe

it tells you every module needed by the DLL in question

anyways I used it to look at libssh's ssh.dll

it has a lot of functions there i might want to use. too many to type in manually because I know there's got to be a utility to generate a C/C++ header from a dll.

so i searched google

no dice for the search terms i used

Alex M.

uh

I never did anything like that

but let me browse my brain for things I remember

"marshalling"

"invoking"

0xFFF1

:)

Alex M.

uhhh

0xFFF1

apparetly arguments arent readily available in DLLs

"You can get name of Export Functions by using TDUMP.EXE (From Borland) or DUMPBIN.EXE (From Microsoft), but you can not find the arguments & return values in this manner.

If the DLL uses from _stdcall calling convention, you can see the disassemly of functions. Then try to find the return point of the function, at this location (return point) you will see ret n instruction. n/4 is the number of arguments passed to the function.
But if the DLL uses _cdecl calling convention, you should disassemble the application that calls these export functions. In this case, the no of pushes before func…

but theres this

Alex M.

this is in C#

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc164123.aspx

doing it in unmanaged C++ has to be easier

as long as you know what you're doing that is

PythonInProgress

11:59 AM

Hey all

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