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9:00 PM

That clears it up.

user4704

Interesting stuff.

So 77 people put Josh as their first choice.

And we never got to the 3rd choices.

Neat process. We should do that in real elections.

0xFFF1 Have you used visual studio much? For very small projects it may seem a bit overkill, but as soon as you start developing multi-project programs, dll-linkage, or multiple build configurations Visual Studio becomes your best friend. . . . ever

Yeah :\

ToddersLegrande

So much blue

9:05 PM

Actually that kind of voting is probably, unfortunately, too confusing for regular people to use in a real election.

@Noctrine Do you ever use your ♦ moderator flags?

@Byte56 Occasionally, for like blatant spam / abusive stuff.

ToddersLegrande

@Byte56 I feel like you need a combination of more seats and/or more people to choose from for this kind of election to even begin to make sense in the real world

@ToddersLegrande It has the nice side effect of, if my first choice doesn't win, I want a second say

Like, in the last election. I want Gary Johnson, but since he doesn't have a shot, I also want some other dude.

@Noctrine I'm only 50 or so flags from my Marshal badge. I feel like progress towards that will slow down now.

@Byte56 Yeah, I think I only have 43 helpful flags. I do know those flags add to that though

ToddersLegrande

9:10 PM

@Noctrine That's a good way to put that.

Its like an electoral way of saying, I don't want that dude.

Even better way of putting ^^

Also, in our case, a ton "relative to media" run. Many of whom would have a better chance if we didn't have a culture of "wasting votes"

Many people won't vote for the third party candidates they believe in, because doing so essentially means the person that they reaaally don't want to win will get a shot.

ToddersLegrande

I love it when people make sense

Not that it makes a difference either way, as the elections are more of a community participation thing here.

9:12 PM

why can't I view my useful flags :(

I live in the Detroit area, the area strongly votes democrat, so my opinion to the contrary doesn't matter at all.

@AlexM. I don't think anyone can anymore. I can't see them :\

nooooo

Oh well if you're voting Republican no one cares what you think.

and I had like 57-ish

:p

9:13 PM

@AlexM. because SO likes to discreminate everybody

It's just very funny

@Quonux someone should flag the whole SE

Because 90% of michigan (land-wise) votes republican. But the population centers are strongly democrat.

for discrimination

So looking at the map, it's a big red mitten, with a few blue specs. That is really how the entire country looks though...

9:14 PM

That's typical, it's the same way in Oregon.

and btw, the early adaptors got the most points

The country folks are republican and the city slickers are democrats.

The early adopters do not have the most points :\

?

Byte was here in the 21k range, I was in the first 500.

He has way more reputation.

9:16 PM

hm ok

4898

Q: Why is processing a sorted array faster than an unsorted array?

Here is a piece of C++ code that shows some very peculiar performance. For some strange reason, sorting the data miraculously speeds up the code by almost 6x: #include <algorithm> #include <ctime> #include <iostream> int main() { // Generate data const unsigned arraySize = 32768; in...

c++ performance optimization language-agnostic branch-prediction

lucky guy...

Really looking at the system, it works heavily in favor of the newer users. Just because you get more eyes on your content.

First 500 pshh, look at your userID. 120

Noctrine is an old timer here on gamedev.

The site was in the first set from area51, so everything was new and exciting and everyone was figuring everything out but people were not at all voting.

Game Development – gamedev.stackexchange.com

Launched Q&A site for professional and independent game developers who would like to discuss the various aspects of video game development and design.

Like that's from when we exited beta.

hm

So a year in, we only had two people with over 3k rep.

9:18 PM

there are many good answers which do have only a few upvotes

One of which was Tetrad who was super prolific.

like 2...5

The other was Ricket I think

on SO

problem is, as shown above, this site gets linked in the webs everywhere

so he gets also a ton of points

Yeah, most new programmers got into programming because they want to be game developers.

9:19 PM

most?

Well, a very large portion.

About 80% of the kids who come to me asking to learn, do it with the intention of making games.

ToddersLegrande

<--------------- this guy did (kind of)

not in my class...i study cs and there are not that many game devers

ToddersLegrande

I got into programming because I took a class and loved it. Game dev seemed like a good way to use that love.

Got into :p

ToddersLegrande

9:20 PM

Now I work on SharePoint :(

Most people who stick with it for a bit, change their mind pretty quickly.

well

More work, more stress, harder work, less money.

user4704

In my CS degree programs, most people I saw weren't interested in games.

i heard that the gamedev industry is harsh

like SO

ToddersLegrande

9:21 PM

Same here. Most were interested in money.

user4704

But outside those programs, most people I've seen who are casually dabbling in programming want to make games.

"no your answer is c****"

user4704

@Quonux It's not.

ToddersLegrande

Cupcake. He meant cupcake.

Anyway, getting to it, if you answer questions the way that a lot of the high rep people do, you too will soon be a high rep user :\

Probably faster, because now high rep users give a lot of points out for bounties to get new people.

9:23 PM

even low rep user do it sometimes :/

If you're close to 3k, I'll bump you up to a voting citizen.

gamedev.stackexchange.com/users/7191/byte56?tab=bounties

a guy here has like 600.800 and did a 150 rep bounty

Bounties are doubled.

Makes my time here easier when more people can vote on new questions. Reopen/close.

But even then, whats a few imaginary points when you have a real problem to solve?

ToddersLegrande

9:25 PM

@Byte56 you only need to bounty me 4 times. Let's do this.

Or if you are over the 20k final privilege threshold, or are a mod.

@ToddersLegrande You have to meet me 83% of the way.

ToddersLegrande

This sounds unreasonable :P

@Noctrine good point, but SO is like a game

like...wow :D

only with code and programmers and some trolls

Hrm, also. In the grand scheme of it all. If you are considering the way the community sways then every individual user > the rep points. Like meta decisions guide the site, and everyone gets one upvote on those threads.

@Quonux Only for the people that treat it that way :\

9:27 PM

it helps in most cases more than a ungoogable question

For a lot of people, its a way to meet a last minute deadline, or to stop stressing over some problem they can't see the end of

Or a way to get pretty neat job offers :p

interesting

whoah

ToddersLegrande

FLAGGED?? :O

you can actually upload a pdf and it will turn it into an image

ToddersLegrande

9:29 PM

lol

imgur!

ToddersLegrande

neat

Really horrible quality at that resolution tho :\

yeah

Aw. I missed it.

Oh

9:30 PM

okay, this should be fine for a first draft to guide my development

dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17635452/…

@Byte56 Yep :p

I'll improve it throughout the process

in the end, I'll keep on adding separate room stations inside the documentation

well, i saw/see it most time as a game, because most time i don't program/code professionally

ToddersLegrande

"Musical Pancake General Documentation" - I'm sold.

@Noctrine Fancy

9:31 PM

do note the awesome table of contents

you just can learn so much from top questions, its so amazing

i threat it like a programmer wiki

ToddersLegrande

@Quonux As a professional (programmer so SO and SharePoint.SE are my friends) and hobbyist (game dev) I love the SE network. If I have a problem that I can reach out to chat and if I'm really stumped I'll make a question on the site.

Like this one! (shameless plug in case there are SP devs in the house)

2

Q: How to programmatically modify item level permissions prior to first save?

I've got a situation where there are strict permissions requirements on an a list of which I already have written a custom form. The requirement is that upon creation, based on metadata, only certain users have access to read and write the item. My first attempt at this was to put this in an ev...

development permissions object-model farm-solution runwithelevatedprivileges

I should keep a log of the whole project on my blog

being part of my bigger robot thingy plan, it will take a while

I should really blog about my project more :\

Maybe when there is more to show.

ToddersLegrande

I should really work on a project

9:37 PM

I kinda keep as much as I can about Ars Ignis a secret, so I never blog about it

the team is also pretty closed

Ars Ignis? Never heard of it. You're doing a good job :p

unless we're out for recruiting, we refuse almost all proposals

ToddersLegrande

Secrets secrets are no fun. Secrets secrets hurt someone.

@Byte56 the game is not a secret though :P give it a look indiedb.com/games/ars-ignis

I've got everything classed up pretty neatly in - these are things we can talk about, and things we can't talk about buckets.

9:39 PM

@AlexM. Considering the link is purple for me, I'm pretty sure I've heard of it.

@ToddersLegrande and might... paranoid eyes get you flagged

flag jokes are the new jQuery jokes

ToddersLegrande

I've been given permission to blog about the code library I've written for SharePoint and the director around here even mentioned potentially putting it into codeplex or something

I'm in no rush to do all that though

I'm hungry

I'm not myself when I'm hungry

Nice to meet you Hungry

Hrm, I'll start blogging once I figure out a name for my project :\

9:41 PM

ALEXM SMASH KEYBOARD

AUGALGASJGA;NGJAN;AGNGASU;AG

@AlexM. Alex you need a snickers.

why

@Noctrine Project Calafip (Working title)

Currently titled project ani :p

you were supposed to say "because you're not yourself when you're hungry"

9:42 PM

It needs like, a proper-type name though.

why you start the fun and leave in the middle of it :(

@AlexM. I know, I got distracted :p

My bad

I think I've got some salami and cheese somewhere

paired with a nice beer

sounds like a plan!

project-ani.deviantart.com

That was my last attempt at blogging, 2 years ago :\

And I'm pretty sure that math is very very wrong, I was really sleepy at the time. But I'd promised I'd write something and it just occurred to me when I was finishing some stuff.

9:45 PM

ofc SO and gamedev.SO is useful, but sometimes a bit deprimating

@Quonux Depressing?

That reminds me I'm behind on my blog.

Just think of it like Who's line is it anyway

/sigh It's a lot of work.

It's all made up and the points don't matter

ToddersLegrande

9:46 PM

@Noctrine the act of one becoming a creature of non primate status

@Noctrine yes

this as the word

@ToddersLegrande Oh wait :|

ToddersLegrande

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You saw nothing.

ToddersLegrande

lol wut

I saw it all

user4704

9:49 PM

I did.

ToddersLegrande

No wonder why I was confused

Mind was in too many places :p

is a human removing these messages?

user4704

Yes.

ToddersLegrande

In this case he removed his own messages

9:50 PM

or like an god programm full with god objects?

user4704

Noctine's removing his own messages.

so hes a god program

ToddersLegrande

That would require a god user. There is no god (present in this room)

Stackexchange bot :p

user4704

I think you can always remove your own messages.

9:51 PM

You can't

There is a time limit, or a reply limit

there is no god present here :(

but i need a god for whom i can burn stuff

user4704

@Noctrine But you can do it, within the limit, regardless of rep, right?

Yep

->godmode

5 ins till the next day :/

*mins

Sweet! We've got [On Hold] now

ToddersLegrande

9:57 PM

Dawn of the Final Day - 24 hours remain

Yeah

ToddersLegrande

@Noctrine huzzah!

Retroactive [on hold] apparently.

back, not hungry anymore

ubuntu seems to recover from sleep in less than two seconds, that's quite as fast as W8

10:13 PM

faster. because W8 has the retarded lock screen thing. I wonder if there's a way to disable that yet...

Ubuntu does cold booting faster too

ha there is

W8 has that hibernation trick to boot in an instant, but it's pretty much cheating

mhm, though cold boot was still improved a lot.

I'm expecting the difference would be a lot smaller on an SSD

10:14 PM

I can cold boot in under 30 secs without an SSD, and fast boot is between 5-10 secs

I ran ubuntu and w8 on a 5400rpm HDD

actually I think it's 5200rpm on a laptop

not sure

I'll get my laptop a cheap 60gb ssd in a few weeks and put ubuntu on it

with all of my development tools, ubuntu takes around 10gb of space

W8 would take more than 20

ToddersLegrande

@IcyDefiance you mean the screen where I just press a key and it goes away?

@ToddersLegrande yep, still annoying :P

ToddersLegrande

Ok then............

what I disliked about Windows 8 was its lack of customization features

especially for the start menu background

there was always a lack of ponies on my W8

10:19 PM

well, I got the lock screen to disappear, but now I have to click manually on my account name to log back in -.-

Ubuntu's Unity dash even adapts to ponies

Congrats @Byte56 & @JoshPetrie!

ToddersLegrande

I sit down, press enter, type in my password, press enter... I don't see how this is a problem

I rather like the default backgrounds for the start menu, though there's probably some sort of hack to get more options.

@IcyDefiance I think there's a jQuery plugin

10:21 PM

@JohnMcDonald Thanks! I'm very careful where I click now.

@ToddersLegrande this is on my desktop, which I haven't bothered to put a password on, so I just press the up arrow once, but it's an unnecessary keypress, and I don't like it.

@Byte56 heh, "remove message", "temp ban", "ban hammer", "reply to message"

@JohnMcDonald And they change the order every time the context menu comes up!

:O

Not really :p

10:23 PM

I'm the type of user who has memorized keyboard shortcuts for everything, and I have to bite my tongue, hard, every time I see someone actually right-click and hit copy, instead of hitting Ctrl+C

heh

@IcyDefiance my mother types "www.site.com" in the google search bar

THE RAGE!!

you can tell how crazy my eye twitching goes when I sit near her

my dad does the same thing

10:24 PM

grampa calls me in to "look at the computer" every time he's got a firefox update

while my mom types URL's into the right bar, but cannot comprehend that she can search from the same bar, and MUST have her google toolbar.

I remember XP not being able to browse thru pics explored within a zip file

and mum received a zip full of pics via email

and was literally opening the zip like another folder, double clicking on a picture, then clicking on X then double clicking the next one and so on

I was like "please let me unzip them and then you can use the arrow keys"

why isn't everyone as technical as us #sweg #favoritebraisalgebra

I think the worst thing is that *no one* knows what the right-click button on windows keyboards is for. and *no one* every tries just pushing the damn button to see what it does. and *no one* is capable of explaining why not.
I mean I guess that's not really the worst thing, but it's the one thing I'm least capable of understanding. If you don't know what a button does, how can you not press it?

oh yeah, and that 3/4 of teenagers don't seem to even be aware that you can click with the scroll wheel.

ubuntu won't let me scroll that way :(

I don't scroll that way either, that's annoying, but how can anyone right-click on a link and hit open in new tab instead of using the middle-click or Ctrl+Click

10:32 PM

oh yeah, I use the scrollbar click for opening in a new tab

that works on ubuntu

I've tried downloading ubuntu 3 times over the last 2 days, and my router has crashed all three times with less than 200 MB left

use the torrent link

there's a torrent link...you know, I'm really stupid

I got experience with my 3G usb modem

never without a download manager

actually, I'm not so stupid. the link isn't right out in the open. still much nicer.

10:38 PM

Ouya hardware impressions, aka Indie Game: The Console
It's low on horsepower but delivers plenty of cheap, interesting TV gaming.

arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/…

Hands-on with the Windows “Blue” desktop experience
A peek at the Windows 8.1 interface via the Windows Server 2012 R2 preview.

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/…

since we were talking about it

I like Ouya's idea of making everything have at least a free demo

lack of a demo is probably one of the biggest reasons for piracy of games.

as I said, I'd get an Ouya to hack it, but I think as a console it won't have a bright future, especially since they're thinking about releasing a new one each year

probably not, but releasing a new one every year isn't the biggest problem. the lack of advertising is.

the most interesting and console-like thing you can play on it is... GTA 3 and Vice City

it needs commercials 'n stuff

10:43 PM

and even that, unofficially

@IcyDefiance yeah that too

it doesn't cost much though, which is especially nice.

if they keep it like this, it will become popular only in hacker circles lol

most likely.

halfway through the new W8.1 stuff on Ars Technica and no mentions of ponies

I'm not sure I like this update

Congratulations out to @Byte56 and @JoshPetrie

10:45 PM

@VaughanHilts Thanks!

aah, finished my beer

now's the perfect time for AI

@AlexM. Drinking age 18 where you are?

yeah

is it above 20 anywhere in the world?

It's 19 here.

So that's.. close?

I thought at 20 I'd be able to drink legally anywhere in the world

10:48 PM

It's 21 in the US.

okay, I'll keep out of the US until March next year

Legal drinking age

The legal drinking age is the age at which a person can consume or purchase alcoholic food or alcoholic beverages. These laws cover a wide range of issues and behaviours, addressing when and where alcohol can be consumed. The minimum age alcohol can be legally consumed can be different from the age when it can be purchased. These laws vary among different countries and many laws have exemptions or special circumstances. Most laws apply only to drinking alcohol in public places, with alcohol consumption in the home being mostly unregulated. Some countries also have different age limits for ...

wait, you let 16 yr olds drive and don't let 20 yr olds drink a beer

yep

in Romania at 20 you're kinda old already

10:49 PM

well, depends on the state

and are allowed to do pretty much anything

most states let 16 year olds drive. New York, for example, doesn't allow it until 18.

I think you can also get your trailer/truck driver's license at 20

or was it 21?

@AlexM. Correct. And 18 year olds can go to war.

I was allowed to drive at 16.

10:50 PM

16 year olds have curfews now, though, unless they're out for work related stuff.

and a limited number of passengers

@Byte56 ew war

You get your learners permit at 15, so you can drive with an adult that has a drivers license at 15.

donotwant.jpg

@AlexM. What is it good for?

nothing that I can think of, excepting the flourishing of the winrar

10:51 PM

Absolutely nothing!

anyone else getting nostalgia hits because of this?

just me, okay :(

Yeah, I didn't play.

ToddersLegrande

@Byte56 Say it again y'all!

@ToddersLegrande Hooo!

there was this awesome fan made map, called "Dragons of Might and Magic"

it told a story, and you started out with a single faerie dragon

actually that dragon was the main character

I wonder if I can remember its name...

it had "shun" in it

10:56 PM

I get nostalgia from this thing

user image

@IcyDefiance That one I played.

@Byte56 gamedev.stackexchange.com/admin/flags/close-as-off-topic

approve my off topic close variations tia

I concur.

can't find the map anymore

The only one I really think we're still missing is "getting started", but annoyingly we only have space for 3

honestly I think the "short concise code sample" is less prevalent than "how do I get started?" and we should probably swap those out

10:59 PM

We might be able to merge 1 and 3

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