This is a plot of the up and down votes on this announcement (taking into account retracted up- and downvotes).
On the left, we believed your apology. We thought you were sincere and wanted to fix this.
On the right we realised you were just saying this to pacify us again, and do not care a...
Please leave any feedback or questions about this FAQ on this other post.
Two weeks ago, we updated The Code of Conduct to directly address concerns over pronoun usage. We tried to anticipate likely questions, but… missed the mark a bit. Inspired by Gareth McCaughan’s excellent post, “A Pr...
> 2. May I use they/them by default? Yes, but be prepared to make adjustments if so requested. If someone requests that you use other pronouns and you immediately continue to use they/them for that person, we may point it out to you.
I personally have no issue with disengaging in a situation where somebody cares about how I'm referring to them more to than the information I'm providing.
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I'm here for the latter
But it'll be interesting to see some of the more hardline opinions on the matter
Which they are perfectly entitled too, but I disagree that I should be made to be believe that too. That doesn't excuse me from being rude but just pointing out
No, you are right, they are not telling me to believe that, but still they are saying that as something that is an established fact. Granted, I've heard that there are actual medical cases that can make it difficult to determine a given person's sex but that's probably not (or not primarily) what they are talking about there.
Wording it like that ("Some people are..." rather than "Some people believe they are...") is implying as if the whole world is already on board with the idea. So by not believing it I'm effectively making out myself to be one of the few stubborn ones
I might be happier if it read, "We believe some people are...", because that's essentially what I understand to be the case
> Am I still welcome on Stack Exchange sites? You are, but some of the things you might want to say aren't.
@AndriyM That wording was in an earlier draft (maybe even Gareth's I don't recall offhand). It was explicitly changed to the stronger wording after feedback.
The position is that if someone says they are e.g. a man, then they literally are, not that they 'believe' they are.
I really don't expect this ever to come up as an issue on dba.se but I suppose it might
You are welcome to try asking about it explicitly on meta, but I would not expect that to go well. Rude/abusive flags have been flying around for less.
I guess I'm saying that if they want people to misgendering, the best way to do that is to not even comment on the reality of the situation and simply say that they don't want misgendering. The "facts" muddy the waters, because facts are never facts when said by a human.
This is an excellent suggestion. This meta needs more oversight of deleted posts from users with 10k somewhere else on the network. There is an interesting parallel to the way chat flags work
Users with the privilege to see deleted posts or view vote splits on any single network site should hav...
@AndriyM I had somebody explain it to me 'there are only 2 sexes but multiple genders' which is strange to me since it translates to the same word but might make more sense
One is the biological chromosome binary option and the other is something else. 'sexual orientation' might be close to translate able in dutch
@AndriyM Yeah exactly. Some people use that to mean that gender is completely unrelated to biological sex
as in, not linked in any way
Which I find ... interesting, and don't agree with personally, but I can for sure understand that people also want to be accepted for who they feel they are, whether that's factual or not
Corny name aside, I was recently watching Extreme Engagement on Netflix and it was an interesting peek into how many of what we regard as stereotypical gender traits really vary culture to culture.
@George.Palacios I was very specifically addressing @TomV's notion of the binaryness of biological sex, which is obviously not what is the main topic (or maybe a subset, or an overlapping set, I don't know despitebeing an ex-geneticist)
@Valorum Of course it's a live hand grenade. A respected moderator was summarily removed for pre-thoughtcrime over this issue. I, personally, will not touch any post like this until at the very least the official FAQ is finalized. I advise any other user to do the same. SE created this mess so let them clean it up. — Null ♦yesterday
> At the end of ... the novel The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, Arthur Dent, having escaped the Earth's destruction, potentially has some of the computational matrix in his brain. He attempts to discover The Ultimate Question by extracting it from his brainwave patterns, as abusively suggested by Ford Prefect, when a Scrabble-playing caveman spells out forty two. Arthur pulls random letters from a bag, but only gets the sentence "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"