The Heap™ – Consultancy ©® - 2019-10-24 (page 1 of 2)

Q: Stack Overflow is doing me ongoing harm; it's time to fix it!

3:03 AM

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Over the last month, Stack Overflow has violated its own policies and precedents to cause egregious and unnecessary harm to me -- to my reputation (personal and professional), to my health, and to my safety. This harm is significant and ongoing. It is past time for the company to correct its e...

5:54 AM

Morning

Morning

6:55 AM

Morning

7:07 AM

Morning

Vérace

Morning.

Brrr, cold & dark this morning

@Philᵀᴹ Mist here

Vérace

Here too! Misty I mean.

7:25 AM

@ypercubeᵀᴹ especially this discussion, isn't it?

@Philᵀᴹ @McNets @Vérace do we all live at the same place?

I live in Sheffield

@dezso the same planet. probably.

@Philᵀᴹ greater Berlin, I know

except Paul. NZ counts differently.

Evan's on a different planet too

@dezso I'd like to go to Berlin. Good Techno

7:31 AM

and i am an alien dolphin. writing my "thnx for all the fish" goodbye ;)

@ypercubeᵀᴹ you mean new job?

twitter.com/edgue42/status/1183664212226260994

it sounds SE could benefit from firing this person immediately (following the set processes)

such a bad public face

@dezso here

Morning

Morning heapsters

7:48 AM

I live in Dublin, Ireland! (I put Ireland in for those who might think it's in California, Kansas or other American state)! ;-)

Leeds, UK here. Actually a little town called Ilkley. It's very, very cold right now

8:04 AM

@PaulWhite I like the new avatar you're sporting over there

8:17 AM

@George.Palacios you have some stones too, I went to Stonehenge two summers ago.

Morning all

The Twelve Apostles

@Vérace Hi.

I suppose I should say 'Top of the morning to you' or some such, but I guess this isn't a '60s Disney film.

@dezso 100%

...And the rest of the day to you

Colin 't Hart

8:21 AM

Morning

@McNets Thats down south, but is a beautiful place

@dezso I think she just published a nice spot of root cause analysis. In practice, this sort of thing doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's quite telling, really.

@George.Palacios Maybe we should organise curry in Bradford sometime. I believe it's world famous for it. I have a cow-orker from up that way and we've been trying to arrange this for years.

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells There are some nice places for sure. I prefer Leeds as a city personally but that would be good :)

The Northern Heap

@George.Palacios I think it's a fairly short hop on the train.

If @Phil is living in Sheffield now, I think that's not far either.

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Yeah Sheffield to Leeds is just one train ride too

8:26 AM

@George.Palacios Are there any other heapers up that way?

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I'm not aware of any no, but we could pin a message over the next couple of weeks and see who responds?

@George.Palacios Not a bad idea. Maybe we can arrange a trip up North at some point.

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells That'd be great

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells "I closed myself off from everybody who disagrees with me." posts some stuff on meta "Why are there people disagreeing? Everybody knows I'm right"

@George.Palacios from Moscow to Vladivostok it's also one

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells and I should fly over there finally at some point

8:42 AM

@dezso I have a friend who did that one some years ago.

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells the present tense is promising

From the only-in-England dept ...

> Milkshake attack fears as anti-Brexit Party 'singing protest' planned for Margate

> The Brexit Party says it has received “milkshake threats” ahead of a meeting planned for Margate.

@dezso I'd love to to that trip at some point

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Only in the UK...

I feel that ice cream van operators should be converging on Margate.

I wonder if I should open an account on Betfair and see if I can stir up folks to bet on whether someone will milkshake Boris?

"Would you like your milkshake with or without a brick, Sir?"

8:59 AM

Hahahahaha

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Surprised they haven't banned milkshakes

@Philᵀᴹ The headlines would be fabulous if they tried that.

This happened.

thedrum.com/news/2019/10/02/…

I wonder how long it will be before 'Milkshaked' appears as a word in the OED?

@Philᵀᴹ The police asked some local fast food places to stop selling them when Farage was near last time (Edinburgh possibly?)

@dezso no. from the site.

Farage needs thermite chucking over him, not milkshake

9:12 AM

@Philᵀᴹ that would be harsh

how about termites?

Or red ants maybe (remembers trying to hold a conversation in Indonesia while standing next to a red ant nest in the street).

Q: Issue while exporting backup

9:28 AM

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I have used the below code....when i am tried with my own system IP it works....while using with remote IP it shows error like (System error 86 has occurred.) exec xp_cmdshell 'net use Y: \\192.168.0.102\Shared2 database /USER:DESKTOP-ITKVRD0 /PERSISTENT:yes'

sql-server

belongs here? ^^

@dezso I guess it's a waste of thermite

10:11 AM

@McNets I think that'd be better on superuser personally

11:30 AM

This doesn't seem like NAA to me. The post suggests a specific reason in answer to the question "why", and you can also easily derive an answer to "how to fix it" from it as well.

It's a bit short, to be sure, and that certainly justifies it to be auto-flagged as low quality, but it's still an answer

11:53 AM

Which DBMS product are you using? — a_horse_with_no_name 16 hours ago

and the answer

We are using SQL — ABC 16 hours ago

Noting that the comment-answer came after the user added sql-server-2017 tag.

@ypercubeᵀᴹ Well, what's the problem? He's using SQL :P

@AndriyM I skipped that one on that basis

12:27 PM

room topic changed to The Heap™ – Consultancy ©®: General on- and off-site discussion for dba.stackexchange.com. Jokes explained at great length (JEAGL) please. We are using SQL [mysql] [nosql] [oracle] [postgresql] [sqlite] [sql-server]

lol

12:45 PM

Should we JEAGL in SQL?

Anarchy in The Heap

@AndriyM SELECT no FROM u

SELECT got it FROM me

lol

1:09 PM

how come i am still getting suspended by jack?

🤭

How come you still manage to get yourself suspended, Evan?

That's really, really impressive given the lack of mods right now

I'm impressed.

@EvanCarroll What did you do that got you suspended?

Q: I'm resigning as a Stack Overflow community elected moderator

1:27 PM

@George.Palacios he only had some comments erased as far as I know. No suspension.

And was kicked from the room for 30 min (but that was after the above complain and did not come from Jack).

hot2use

1776

I'm resigning as a Stack Overflow moderator. Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this Q&A site what it is. I'm resigning for three reasons: Stack Overflow Inc. has forgotten how to lead, how to persuade, and how to talk with the community. This has been a slow decline since 2014...

discussion featured moderators

Seen on the interwebs today:

> The first rule of Dunning-Krueger club is you don't know you're in Dunning-Krueger club

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1776 = 16 * 111 (not base 13)

Also the year that USA declared independence from Britain. Something like Brexit but with more blood.

USexit

hot2use

Maybe Evan's plan will work out in the end. The very end

1:33 PM

Give it time, Ypercube!

@ypercubeᵀᴹ Is there some significance to 16 * 111?

No. Would you prefer 999+777? Or 888+888?

1775+1?

2^4*3*37 is how like to factorise

But that bears no obvious significance to me either

The score of 1776 is certainly impressive though

And it's 1778 now, the year my home city was founded

also: 1776 = 7^4 - 5^4

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1:42 PM

Now that's nice

@AndriyM He maths

To the point that he has favourite numbers

@AndriyM what happens when it reaches 1789?

@AndriyM Favourite numbers but no preferred pronoun. Perhaps we could use 'His Surrealness' as a pronoun for @ypercubeᵀᴹ?

@dezso I'm sure it will represent a date that is meaningful for some people or other! For you perhaps?

1:53 PM

Or maybe 'His Surrealism'

Surreality? Is that a word?

It's as good as Performant

@AndriyM JEAGL: probably the biggest French revolution of them all started in 1789. The question is if there will be a revolution on SE at that point.

It's a real word according to dictionary.com

hot2use

Isn't @ypercubeᵀᴹ in the fourth dimension anyway?

1:54 PM

@Philᵀᴹ It is actually a real word. It means performer.

As in: I'm performer than he is.

@dezso He was moderating SO and the post is on meta.SO, so it would seem logical to me that revolution should confine only to SO

Cade Roux

So we're safe from the guillotines here?

:cake emoji:

May depend on who takes over

I mean, how great they are

What if it's Evan?

Damn.

Sorry

1:57 PM

@AndriyM after applying the guillotine on them they would definitely not be so great anymore

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Surrealists are perfomest

2:19 PM

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Q: How to handle databreach?

what is the immediate action to be taken from a Mongodb dba when we come to know our data is compromised or open to public without our knowledge. what are the actions to be taken immediately so that we dont damage more of our client data which is the must most important?

mongodb

/cry

I used capital letters. And then I was oppressed by Christians compelling me to use lowercase letters against my will.

@EvanCarroll No need to bring the region angle into it Evan

Just saying

Q: Why was Robert Harvey suspended?

> @MarkAmery: You can if you feel like it. I'd prefer a meta post asking for better transparency in mod messages. I used that boilerplate message all the time when I was a mod, but never understood why people got confused until I was suspended myself.

> The truth is that boilerplate message is every bit as impersonal as the corporate boilerplate SE has been using on Meta, and it provides no information that would help a user figure out what he's done wrong, other than the admonition "we think you were rude." – Robert Harvey 24 mins ago

If you were bored and wanted the next episode of SO Drama.

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Robert, one of the most important moderators of Stack Overflow recently resigned. I have noticed his account was suspended today. Normally I would not ask, but given the open accusations of having already unfairly demodded one moderator, and the uproar that generated, can you clarify the ...

discussion meta account-suspension

Is that still going

Q: Stack Overflow is doing me ongoing harm; it's time to fix it!

I thought that this was the current drama

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Over the last month, Stack Overflow has violated its own policies and precedents to cause egregious and unnecessary harm to me -- to my reputation (personal and professional), to my health, and to my safety. This harm is significant and ongoing. It is past time for the company to correct its e...

discussion moderators

2:31 PM

@Lamak yeah but seems we had missed the intermission ;)

zzzzz

2:46 PM

So... Maybe we can agree that having some people say what other people can say is narually infuriating and fundamentally illiberal.

*naturally

(spelling is a social construct!)

Q: Translation Golf XLVIII — We're sorry to see you go

@Lamak I wonder why you didn't tell us about this one

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Game over, amigos! OK, this edition has been kind of an emotional roller-coaster for many of us (to put it really lightly) and the source of many a headache for mods, CMs and veteran users alike... but in the end I think we got some nicely golfed translations worth of praise! user2325442's,...

traducción translation-golf inglés

@EvanCarroll Jack hasn't been the only mod to express his disagreement with your abuse of shoutcase. He may be one who kicked you for that more than at least one other mod, who for a time was trying to use a different approach (but you still never took the hint).

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@AndriyM I may have kick-muted a user once, too. I really don't remember.

In this case I'm talking about mods only

@AndriyM yes but room owners have powers, too, and they have used them (deleting comments with ALL CAPS, etc.)

2:52 PM

@ypercubeᵀᴹ didn't even saw it

"saw" it. Pfff

Do you even conjugate, bro?

@billinkc they declinate to conjugate

@billinkc damn, "see it", I blame you for this

@ypercubeᵀᴹ Yes, you are right. I was thinking only of the cases where Paul would edit Evan's all-caps messages, but of course sometimes one or other room owner would move them too. So there was a variation of measures, and from more than one person, not only mods, too. Painting it as if Jack was personally after him is rather disingenuous.

@Lamak te amo

3:05 PM

well, I wasn't expecting that

Sorry, meant "the ammo"

aww...the ammo too, buddy

Pass me the ammo

🔫

@James What?

@Lamak @billinkc get a room, bros ;)

3:10 PM

this is a room

Yes, but you two seem to be getting too... military

Both Evan and Jack don't like being compelled to write in a certain way. I don't like it, either. Last year, I posted some answers on workplace, and that Monica lady took issue with my opinions on HR and the value it adds, and deleted my answers. Pissed me off, too.

@James Sorry to hear that. What's your point though?

Stack-whatever seems to be trying to build textbooks out of an internet forum, but people really do not like having their posts edited by others, and they really do not like being forced to speak in a certain way.

Or is it the difference between being asked not to do a certain thing, and being told you must do a certain thing?

3:13 PM

maybe stack should drop the whole thing and let everybody be rude to eachother...

@James That's really not going to happen. It has never worked out well anywhere else.

To Meta!

I feel an xkcd moment coming on.

@AndriyM Meta is busy right now. Please hold for the next available agent.

Will they come for/after me?

Your name starts with A

I'd say you'd be near the top

Monty Python - The Missing Wallet

3:16 PM

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ESL Students Learn New Gender Pronouns | We the Internet TV

wait you can post videos like that?

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Of course you can (even if it doesn't mean you should)

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Interestingly, the entire genesis of this (at least publicly) was discussed at 32:00m on the #causeascene podcast from July 3, 2019. (The relevant part starts at 32 minutes in): hashtagcauseascene.com/podcast/sara-chipps (Was listening to that episode to get some insight into how all this came together and was surprised to hear that at 32minutes in). — George Stocker 1 hour ago

that link is interesting...

3:31 PM

It's nice to see more women entering into the traditionally male dominated field of trolling

3:51 PM

What have I gone and walked into ...

2 hours ago, by Andriy M

May depend on who takes over

You say this like I need help

There's enough of the 20k+ rep users around that we don't need more mods

./evil-laugh

How many of them have guns, though

I misunderstood this question

@jcolebrand are there?

So ... I would say we aren't suffering

Here's "of all time"

4:08 PM

@ypercubeᵀᴹ If they were actively moderating, maybe.

The average handling time did exceed 10h a week ago, but I suspect some people are actively flagging less now

@PaulWhite You don't have to tell on me that hard :D :D :D

Well 10h is still well within what SE would find acceptable

aye

Ooooh, are those documented somewhere?

Some sites routinely have flags that stick around for days

Thresholds on those things

4:17 PM

I don't think so. Maybe mentioned on meta somewhere, but don't ask me to find it.

I only flagged one comment in the last weeks. By accident/out of habit

@TomV Have you deliberately reduced the number of flags you raise? Or is that a normal rate for you?

Given the time I spent on the network or in chat it's definitely a lot lower than usual. Off course in periods where I'm busy with other stuff I don't flag because I'm not on the site.

k ta

Can't say it's a decision out of disagreement. More an effect of that strip of fukitol I've taken in response to the drama

4:20 PM

makes complete sense

@jcolebrand ^

Haven't voted much either

there does seem to be more unclosed crap on the front page

Everybody's on meta rn instead of in the review queue

So much time spent on all this

I think it's not necessarily recent. My activity was already declining since around January because of new job responsibilities

4:26 PM

I am just as active as I've ever been ...

What you're seeing now is that the tide has gone out and my barnacle shell is now exposed

:p

And recent evolution maybe made me visit chat more often but at the same time lose interest in keeping things running

I’ve been trying to deal with flags more. There is a noticeable shitload more crap on the front page lately though. The weekend was terribad

Thinking and talking about it I've come to realize that I often want to down vote crap but don't know if I'm supposed to because the op might feel unwelcome. That already started with the waving hand icon and is even worse now @PaulWhite

I hear you

Stay tuned for more exciting news on that front

@TomV just act as you want, not as you feel someone else would want you to act

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4:31 PM

@TomV This is when you edit

And if it's beyond salvage, downvote and walk away

@Philᵀᴹ or don't care. I mean why do I even

This is voluntary work. It should not be hard work. It ought to be rewarding.

Universities have just started trying to teach people databases. This time of year has an influx of people that can’t be arsed to try, and want us to do their CS1337 course for them

Let everyone have their safe space here and ask a dumb question if that's the point but don't expect me to answer

I have customers for that

@Philᵀᴹ so flag to close, as fast as you can

4:36 PM

Unrelated to the gender drama but if we aren't supposed to let some op know their question sucks because they might not feel welcome I might as well get paid

I've tried the comments nudging them to improve years ago and the success rate is abysmal

Also unrelated, I had no idea that they'd keep some mailing lists around for posterity. Can you imagine what it'd be like trying to keep even a low volume site running purely through email

mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-user/200107.mbox/…

@TomV When ~~evan~~ someone posts something off, just edit it or downvote it. If they don't feel welcome, we can't force them to feel welcome. We can be polite and kind and helpful.

As long as we trigger somebody to bitch on Twitter, se Corp is going to react and tell us not to do that any more

@TomV cool. let it happen.

Take a deep breath

let it out

breathe in deep

let it out

Oh I'm calm

4:40 PM

Let them make an ass out of themselves is all

We can all just piss off and leave. The SE sites will shut down and you'll be left with the trinity and the couple of self-branded sites

(askubuntu and askdifferent, etc)

Paul asked me about my reasons to be less active and I explained. I could care less about any of it. I've been in and out of online communities before

ahhh, roger. I'm just trying to affirm that less-active is valid

I am here because the mantra was 'provide high quality content' if the mantra becomes 'please everyone' itbis no longer my thing

4:53 PM

Can you maintain your saved user/passwords if you add duckduckgo to chrome?

i think so - changing the serach engine is just a property of the browser

lol yea. I think i should do that, too...

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6:40 PM

So many deleted messages. Our history is being rewritten in front of our very eyes by these book burners we call "mods".

Brofest

Sorry Jeff bro ,Thanks for the solution — maniram reddy 51 mins ago

Jeff was moaning on Twitter about it. Didn't realise it'd happened on SO

7:08 PM

I guess 'bro' isn't his preferred pronoun

@TomV same here (even if no one asked)

@TomV I also was bro a few times. I found it funny, but then I'm also not called Jeff. Or seldom.

@dezso Why's that, Jeff?

@AndriyM oh, you know my bro ~~ther~~

I don't know your bro ~~ther~~

@AndriyM then who's Jeff?

7:18 PM

Who cares

Bro does

@dezso good thing you are not called seldom

Maybe bro's Jeff

Shirley

Shirley not

7:19 PM

who's Jeff?

Shirley not bro

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you guys are confusing. It feels you know the whole family.

whose family?

~~mine~~ Jeff's

Xirs family

7:21 PM

@dezso we do know them

not sure who's famlily, though

"Jeff was moaning on Twitter" ... well that's certainly a first

I only know some of your moms

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Sister Sledge - We Are Family (Official Music Video)

@Lamak yeah, it's been a relatively calm on-call week so far

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Glad that didn't autoplay

nice

7:28 PM

Anybody else notice how Seth returned now we are bullshitting 24/7 again

@TomV errr do you really know these new pronouns?

@McNets no. It's one I remember from a post somewhere

@TomV good point

@TomV who's Seth?

@McNets @swasheck

7:30 PM

@TomV ok

Or his mom

:)

you'd not like my mom much

Bro...

Ze mom's bro?

7:32 PM

It depends

Always

wow.

not just BS-ing, but doing it poorly

We needed you to raise the bar

Right now it's so low you could step over it easily

i thought i'd tripped on something as i entered the room

i dont have much capacity for BS anymore

i deal with it too much at work

What BS stands for?

7:36 PM

Bullshit

bad stuff

Oh that too

heh

anyway. i think that the stink of the great mod exodus of 2019 drew me back ... like a fly to crap

I'd love to catch up with you @swasheck but I have to go. It's been a long time

Hope your family is doing well

gif: media.giphy.com/media/GCvktC0KFy9l6/giphy.gif

7:39 PM

Hop in slack sometime if it suits you. I'm out for the night

8:13 PM

@TomV I think the official term was bollocks in the good old times

@EvanCarroll damn straight

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@TomV Thought it was because Paul stopped moderating

In Soviet Russia the moderates moderate you

lolwut?

idk

was funny in my head

8:28 PM

@PaulWhite only if all of them agreed

there is no disagreement in a perfectly harmonious society

fight me on that

Evan, is that you?

;) ^^

moderators change like dr who

ОТЛИЧНО

8:31 PM

@PaulWhite I could link just another Monty Python video

always a valid choice

They were rather thorough

@PaulWhite moderation moderates you?

@jcolebrand that would have been better. thanks a lot, slow coach

in a moderated way

8:35 PM

I think I need some whisky after all this metaphysical discourse