The Frying Pan

rfusca

7:00 PM

glad to see Sob reaping some rep benefit from his experiment cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/21555/…

Jefromi

@Jay Ah, okay. I've only made it with a biga, I think.

rfusca

@Jefromi - you do much bread?

Jay

@rfusca I can see your tail wagging right now

rfusca

lol

Sobachatina

@Jay lol

Jefromi

7:02 PM

@rfusca No, unfortunately - I've done a lot of things once, but I live by myself, so I have a hard time going through it while it's still nice and fresh.

rfusca

bread week has certain been a good week for rep

@Jefromi ah, sure

Sobachatina

@rfusca I felt comfortable answering the question only after a week of reading and the experiment.

rfusca

bake more, women come

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rumtscho

@Jefromi scale down.

I rarely bake more than 350 g flour at once.

Jefromi

@rumtscho Yeah, I know, I just have a hard time investing so much time in it at that point. I should though, you're right.

Cerberus

7:03 PM

@rumtscho Same!

Mien

@rfusca Was that your tactic? :p

rumtscho

@rfusca tell me, which recipe did you use to catch your wife?

rfusca

@Sobachatina well I think the experiment was good, it shows that, if anything, its complex

Cerberus

I bake exactly 350 g. Lasts about 2 days, with some thrown away, maybe 1/5 to 1/10.

rfusca

@rumtscho creme brulee

Cerberus

7:04 PM

Haha.

rfusca

@Mien absolutely

rumtscho

@rfusca Great, I love creme brulee

Mien

@rfusca It shows that it has an effect. That's surely something.

rumtscho

I should try it on a potential bf

Mien

@rfusca *crème brûlée :p

rfusca

7:05 PM

@Mien shut it :P

Mien

It looks so naked without the proper accents.

rumtscho

@rfusca are you aware that for years, we had to suffer only because Americans thought special characters are not important?

Jay

@rumtscho or force the potential bf to make you creme brulee

Then marry the guy based entirely on how good his creme brulee taste

Sobachatina

@rumtscho They aren't. I mean seriously ^? that's just silly.

rumtscho

We couldn't write our own languages on computers and rely on them being displayed until the mid-aughts.

Jay

7:06 PM

No euphemisn intended(for once)

rfusca

wow, vague - cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/21791/…

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Sure you could have- you just would have had to write the OS yourself from scratch.

rfusca

@rumtscho they're not :P

Sobachatina

Apparently it wasn't worth it to you.

Mien

@rfusca indd

rumtscho

7:07 PM

@Sobachatina You know, I am certain that ASCII would involve all needed special characters for at least the different Latin alphabets, if it had been developed in Germany, France or Sweden.

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Too hypothetical to argue against.

rfusca

@rum - you should totally cook/bake for potential suitors, especially something like creme brulee

Sobachatina

I will grant you that having your own continent does insulate you a bit from other cultures.

Russians in the interior have the same problem.

rfusca

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

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Q: When is slow cooking important to salt absorbtion, before or after boil?

Please don't remove this question has not been asked before, it is a different aspect of meat salt absorbtion. If you are cooking a soup, in order to get the meat to absorb salt from the liquid, the best approach is slow cooking. Does this mean that you can QUICKLY bring it to a simmer/poach an...

Sobachatina

@rfusca That's it. The zombie apocalypse has begun!

rfusca

7:10 PM

Jay

@rfusca lol

Cerberus

@rfusca Hahaha oh my.

rumtscho

@Sobachatina Does the Spanish spoken in Mexico have non-special characters only?

Or Canadian French?

Cerberus

Surely it has accents too?

I've never seen Spanish or French without accents...

Sobachatina

Spanish does have one accent and a tilde-

rumtscho

7:11 PM

I think the problem is not we being on our own continent, it is more about Americans forgetting that not all users want to use American all the time.

Sobachatina

The Canadian French is a largely ignorable North American embarrassment.

Jefromi

@rumtscho With respect to internationalization support, this is kinda interesting: trends.builtwith.com/encoding

Cerberus

@Sobachatina What!?

But it's cool!

Sobachatina

@rumtscho This is a good point- these products were initially developed for American markets and sold overseas as an afterthought.

Cerberus

I like Québécois!

Sobachatina

7:13 PM

@Cerberus At this point I'm just trying to salvage the argument. I don't necessarily feel this way.

Cerberus

Hhee.

OK.

Sobachatina

You would have a hard time forming a computer company that sold only to a German market, for example.

rumtscho

@Sobachatina But a German company would probably support French accents, even if it sells to Germany only.

Back to Qwertz, it is a German standard, intended for use in Germany only.

Mien

We use French keyboards.

rumtscho

It includes modifier keys for inserting ´, `and ^ over a letter. Like è

Mien

7:14 PM

Don't ask me why though :p

@rumtscho Does it also includes é è ç à as a whole?

Sobachatina

@rumtscho I'm afraid I'm just making this up and don't feel strongly enough about it.

Why would it occur to American computer manufacturers to develop standards for other languages?

They didn't talk to people of other languages.

Their products weren't marketed to them.

They weren't connected to any of the same networks (when there were networks).

rumtscho

@Mien No, but it still allows you to write é, è, à and û without pulling out a char map. I don't know about the cedilla, if there is a shortcut, I haven't found it.

Sobachatina

Mexico was around but why would you write something in Spanish? They weren't an economic player.

Mien

@rumtscho we have the ones I typed, and ù (I forgot) plus just the accents for inserting, like you

rfusca

@Mien good edit overall

rumtscho

7:17 PM

@Mien can you insert umlauts?

Mien

@rfusca From the salt question?

rumtscho

ü, ö and ä?

Mien

@rumtscho Yes, we use them in Dutch as well.

rumtscho

And ess zet?

Mien

But they have a different purpuse.

esszet only with alt 255 or something.

I forgot the code :)

Sobachatina

7:18 PM

Apparently Mr. Wilson has a deep interest in sodium and chicken.

Jay

@Sobachatina did you not see the additional chatroom dedicated to just that?

rumtscho

@Mien yes, but if you use a French keyboard layout, it means that French people can also insert umlauts, even though their language doesn't have them.

Sobachatina

I didn't.

rumtscho

@mien what is the purpose of umlauts in Dutch?

rfusca

@Mien yes

rumtscho

7:19 PM

I don't remember seeing them in it.

rfusca

Health, Salt Absorption, Etc.

Mien

@Sobachatina Well, I understand its importance for him, but I still think it's not good for our site.

@rumtscho They show where a new syllable starts.

rfusca

@sob He's convince that salt but only when it makes chicken moist and tasty, its curing his illness

rumtscho

@Mien Which word has them, for example?

Mien

'oe' is a sound for us, but we have words like 'coëfficiënt'

Jay

7:20 PM

@Mien Yea, if your health is at that point, I really wouldn't be asking a bunch of stranger at a cooking site about something tht can cure/kill him

Mien

'ie' is also a sound for us

co-ef-fi-ci-ent

Sobachatina

Oh! So he's trying to maximize salt absorption?

Mien

@Jay Well, I'm sure he tried other things as well.

rumtscho

Ah, I get it now.

rfusca

@Sobachatina he's trying to maximize salt in chicken

Jay

7:20 PM

brb

rumtscho

Sometimes this practice is used in other languages too.

I think it is even used in English in some older texts.

Sobachatina

@rfusca How remarkable!

Mien

@rumtscho in Suomi the ¨ is for pronounciation, like in German, no?

Cerberus

@Sobachatina Europe was an economic player.

Sobachatina

@Cerberus Ok.

Mien

7:21 PM

@Sobachatina read this: cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/21727/…

rfusca

somebody, maybe derobert, suggested that you cut the chicken in half, layer of salt, and then glue it back together

Mien

if you have time :)

rumtscho

@Mien I can't understand or pronounce Suomi

Mien

@rumtscho Oh really?

Sobachatina

@Mien That is a truly epic question.

rumtscho

7:22 PM

But I don't think it changes it to another vocal, I think it only affects length

Sobachatina

It doesn't have bikers in it but I could still see it being made into a movie.

Mien

@rumtscho Ah could very well be.

Sobachatina

I still think that the biker brothers BBQ to pay medical bills would be a great movie.

Mien

Anyway, I said I would work a bit.

rfusca

@Sobachatina only in 3D though

rumtscho

7:24 PM

►

Sobachatina

It would be like Free Willy. MJ could come back from the dead to do the theme song.

rfusca

and if we want it to appeal to the teen crowd, they'd need to be vampire bikers

rumtscho

@Mien look at how the title is written and listen to how they sing it, all these "ä" sound like a normal a

Sobachatina

@rfusca This is getting better and better.

rumtscho

The first line should be "Rättipäille lisää reittejä rintaan ja joka tuutista
paljasta pintaa"

Mien

7:25 PM

@rumtscho How do their a's sound?

rumtscho

I don't hear a big difference between the ones with an umlaut and the ones without

rfusca

we should play at 60 fps though, and once every 60 frames we pop up @rumtscho's campaign post with the hammer

rumtscho

And btw, I love this song, it sounds extremely funny to me, even though I don't understand a word of the text

rfusca

they'll want to tenderize some meat at the end of the movie and just really not know why

rumtscho

@rfusca that's an urban myth, it doesn't work

Mien

7:27 PM

@rumtscho True :)

rfusca

@rumtscho i know, but I don't really care. It makes for a good urban legend

the placebo effect will work though because people think that that works. So before the movie, you leak to the public that there's a meat tenderizing effect to the movie and low and behold, there will be a run on steak afterwards!

MUWAHAHAHAH

part 1, buy up the worlds supply of tough steak. part 2, make bbq biker vampire movie, part 3 DOMINATE

its all so logical...why didn't I think of this years ago

Sobachatina

@rfusca So we just buy a controlling stake in steak and we're rich!

Cerberus

Where's 5. Profit?

Mien

You forgot the most important step.... Profit.

Cerberus

Haha, even the Low Countries get that, and you capitalists don't!

rfusca

7:30 PM

profit is included in domination :)

Mien

:D

rumtscho

lol, there is an article on Wikipedia called "Finnish profanity"

Cerberus

Or perhaps you're communists.

rumtscho

Why I am not surprised?

Sobachatina

@rfusca Or rather profit is unnecessary in domination. You don't have to pay your workers anymore.

rfusca

7:31 PM

@Sobachatina very true

who needs money when everybody is just working to get their steak fix

rumtscho

Lol, in Finnish, "helvetti" means Hell. I wonder how the Swiss feel about this ;)

And the links below the article are most entertaining

See also

Dutch profanity
Italian profanity
Latin profanity
Mat (language) (Russian)
Profanity
Spanish profanity
Société Finno-Ougrienne

I wonder how the Société Finno-Ougrienne feels about being part of that list

Maybe I should read "Dutch profanity" just to know when @Mien is secretly giggling every time I use some common English word with an unfortunate sound.

Mien

@rumtscho Who knows ;)

But I don't giggle easily.

Jay

@Mien You're such a little girl

giggling all about

Mien

Hmmm there are a lot of Dutch terms in that list. Most of them aren't used here.

rumtscho

But I found the antfucking one.

Jay

7:40 PM

@rumtscho 0.0'

rumtscho

Must have at least some basis in reality.

Mien

Fuck An English loan word, fuck is a common expletive. Its adjective "fucking" is also commonly in use. The word is productive in Dutch: a standard variation is "fucken met" ("to fuck with").

Is it me or is it funny that it states that it's a 'productive' word? :D

rumtscho

I found several funny things in the list.

Mien

I'm very decent it seems.

rumtscho

Why is "cadaver" an insult used for women but not men?

Mien

7:42 PM

There are some words I've never even heard of. :)

@rumtscho Oh is that what "kreng" means?

Strange.

rumtscho

But I like the idea of a language which has its own term for intergluteal cleft

Mien

But yes, it's only for women.

@rumtscho That's only the basis for our term for G-string: reetveter (veter means shoe lace)

rumtscho

I'll have to remember that, should I ever find myself in the Netherlands in urgent need of a G-string.

Mien

:D

Jay

@rumtscho whats the word for banana hammock

rumtscho

7:46 PM

How is it pronounced?

@Jay in what language?

I don't even think there is a word for it in any of the languages I know

I have never heard of it before and without the conversation context, wouldn't have guessed its meaning.

Mien

Here it's something like "Borat suit" I think.

rumtscho

@mien how is reetveter pronounced?

Mien

@rumtscho the ee and the first e sounds the same

the last e is different

mehr is a German word, right?

rumtscho

@Mien yes

Mien

that's the first and second e(e)

r and t, you know those

rumtscho

7:48 PM

A long, slightly closed e

Mien

v is different from German, it's soft, like in wodka :)

rumtscho

Hm?

Mien

the last e is like the e in the

rumtscho

V is soft in German

it is pronounced like "f" in English

I call the "V" in vodka hard

Sobachatina

@rumtscho voiced vs unvoiced.

Mien

7:50 PM

v sounds softer to me than f

but I mean the v like in wodka :)

rumtscho

@Mien ok

Mien

any more letters that aren't clear?

rumtscho

@Sobachatina thank you

Mien

@Jay Oh it's broader than the borat thing?

Then it's called a speedo here.

rfusca

Is this too broad for us to handle? cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/21791/…

rumtscho

7:52 PM

I find it interesting that Dutch has a term for a lover which is either an insult or a term of affection, depending on context.

Sobachatina

@rfusca If anything I would say the opposite- too localized.

rumtscho

Must lead to some funny miscommunication situations (of the kind where the message author and receiver hold different beliefs of the context)

Mien

@Sobachatina I think it's both :)

ElendilTheTall

It's also a bit vague @rfusca

rumtscho

@rfusca If there is really a name for the thing, then no.

rfusca

7:53 PM

@Sobachatina ya, i can see that

rumtscho

But I doubt that there is a common name.

Mien

@rumtscho What are you talking about?

ElendilTheTall

A chocolate cake with fruit? How long have you got?

rfusca

@ElendilTheTall that was my thought

rumtscho

@Mien "Neukertje is a diminutive noun..."

rfusca

7:54 PM

a cake, possibly in french or italian, with chocolate, fruit, and maybe alcohol

Mien

@rumtscho I don't think lovers actually say that to each other.

Sobachatina

So I think we can agree that it isn't a very valuable question- but I don't think that is grounds for closing by itself (unless its completely worthless)

Mien

Perhaps only when having dirty sex, but then perhaps English has that too.

Sobachatina

I think we should close it but only after a couple of days to see if he can get an answer first.

Mien

@Sobachatina No problem for me :)

rfusca

7:55 PM

i think it'd be easiest to go with Sob and be too localized. How could it possibly be useful to anybody else

rumtscho

@Mien maybe the article is trying to prank foreigners to say this to their Dutch lovers

Mien