« first day (536 days earlier)      last day (4445 days later) » 

3:00 PM
Bread looks good btw, the uneven parts of the slashing seem like there is a very nice crumb underneath
 
I'm wondering where I can get good flour and whatever else I need for artisan-quality bread.
 
This is not your rye bread, right?
(Oh, and I still have to write an answer to your rye color question)
@Cerberus probably can't in Europe, I use normal flour and pure gluten mixed to whatever percentage I need.
 
@rumtscho No it isn't- it has a bunch of seeds and whole grains but no rye.
 
This is for fine white flour, supermarkets here carry some speciality flours like spelt, and there is a good selection in organic stores or on amazon.de
 
@rumtscho Hmm so where do I buy pure gluten? It seems only mills and stores deep down in the country sell that.
 
3:02 PM
@Sobachatina Is it pure yeast?
@Cerberus I got mine on amazon, it isn't easy to find.
 
@rumtscho I once bought spelt flour in an organic store, but the difference was marginal.
 
@rumtscho I used some of my sourdough starter for flavor but I don't trust my starter as the only leaven so there was also yeast.
 
@rumtscho Hmm yes, but then shipping will be expensive...
 
@Cerberus Really? If you ship from one of the European sites, it will be probably normal for a package.
 
@Sobachatina nice
 
3:03 PM
Also- slashing shallowly at a 45 angle worked very well for the ears. I did another loaf, not pictured, that was a 90 degree slash and there were no ears at all.
 
nod yup, i tested that too
 
Yeah but that will be € 6 I think...and how many breads would I be able to make with a normal bag/packet/whatever of gluten? And how long until it turns bad?
 
Belgien, Niederlande

Versandart Artikel Zustellung ab Versand Kosten pro Lieferung
Standardversand Bücher (inkl. Hörbücher
und Kalender) in 2-3 Werktagen versandkostenfrei
Standardversand alle anderen Artikel* in 2-3 Werktagen 3,00 EUR
(nur für Bestellungen
unter 20,00 EUR)
Internationale
Express-Zustellung alle Artikel, bei denen die Versandart
"Internationale Express-Zustellung"
auswählbar ist in 1-2 Werktagen 20,00 EUR
Ah, that was a table.
 
@rfusca I was surprised to see so stark a difference in shape just from slashing- they both started out football shaped and the one with parallel slashes looks like it was a boule.
 
But I don't know if the marketplace sellers do this too, these are standard Amazon prices.
@Cerberus It doesn't turn bad for at least a year
It is 500 g in a pack, you need maybe 3% additional gluten to go from 9.5 to 12.5%, so enough for 17 kg flour, or 50 loaves I think
 
3:07 PM
Wow!
That is actually quite affordable!
Thanks.
 
Yes, but I don't know if the seller will send to NL, as I said he is a marketplace seller and not Amazon.
 
I looked on some Dutch sites, but shipping within Holland always costs € 6-7 ish!
 
Hmm it appears to be € 5 pro Sendung.
 
@Sobachatina nod ya, thats what that question is trying to get at - slashes do a lot to impact final loaf shape
 
3:13 PM
@rfusca what do you use to slash?
 
@elendil @rum - doing a kettle, you'd need it going pretty much full blast on the hob
 
bread, that is
 
I have to go now, bye everyone =]
 
@ElendilTheTall right now, a serrated bread knife, but I've got something coming today that's supposed to be better. A certain kind of non-stick tomato knife
 
@Cerberus "EUR 8,90 + EUR 3,50 Versandkosten" - I don't see them saying anything for international shipping
 
3:14 PM
@Cerberus try to order some things together from amazon. You can achieve free shipping sometimes :)
 
@Sob - see my steam injector :D
 
@rumtscho Gesamtbetrag: EUR 17,90
That's when I check out.
@Mien Yeah I could try that...but then what else to get?
 
So many things to buy :D
 
@Mien lol
 
Oh, I'm actually interested, @Cerberus, can you buy vanilla extract in the Netherlands?
 
3:17 PM
@Mien Probably...supermarkets sell "vanilla sugar", which is vanilla extract mixed with sugar, I think.
I only ever use it for sweet things anyway.
 
No, that's not the case.
 
@rfusca I left my old answer deleted but tried again based on my recent understanding.
 
But vanilla sugar is available here too.
 
@rfusca It looks awesome! Well done.
 
@Mien Hmm then you'd have to go to bigger shops, or perhaps special cooking/baking shops.
 
3:18 PM
@Cerberus I didn't find it in Belgium yet :)
 
@Sobachatina thanks
 
€ 18 for 50 loaves, that makes 36 cents a loaf. I don't know.
 
Last thing I ordered from Amazon was a game (35 euro) and free delivery. It was from the .de site.
 
@Mien Oh! Hmm...have you tried groothandels like Makro?
 
@Cerberus Not yet :)
It's a bit out of the way.
 
3:21 PM
They say it is sold at Albert Heijn.
And you have Albert Heijn now in Belgium...
Though perhaps only in Brasschaat yet?
 
Yes, but at the other side of the country :p
 
Hehe.
 
@Cerberus No, it is not vanilla extract in the vanilla sugar
 
Hmmm, but the AH is just a 'regular supermarket'. Perhaps I should check more chains.
 
That link says you could also buy vanilla sticks and scrape out the seeds.
 
3:22 PM
It contains a synthetic vanilla aroma compound
 
@rumtscho Ah OK.
 
Yes, but sticks are expensive.
 
Also, it is terribly impractical because it is mixed with sugar.
 
@rumtscho Ah they don't even make it with pods?
 
Ah OK. Perhaps buy cheaper sticks in a Chinese shop?
 
3:22 PM
@Sobachatina +1 love the new answer, except traditional baguettes aren't really at an angle. Traditional is mostly parallel at a very slight angle and overlapping - its the overlapping part that creates that appearance of the strong angle
 
@Cerberus I can order them online for a reasonable price.
But I don't use that many to justify that amount.
 
@rumtscho Yeah, if you need it in salty dishes, it's worthless.
 
@Mien no, the phials and the vanilla sugar is made with an aroma, not with the real thing
 
@rumtscho Okay :)
 
@Mien Hmm yes. It's hard!
 
I could buy some extract for you at AH and mail it to you in a plastic bag in an envelope?
 
yes rumtscho, I know.
 
@rfusca Fair enough.
 
Not sure that is practical.
 
@Cerberus Heh, perhaps check the price first :)
 
3:24 PM
mornin'
 
If it's 15 euro for a small bottle, no thanks.
 
@mien 9.50 for 30 pods, even with the shipping should be OK.
 
@rumtscho Yes but how long will they last?
Hi @hobodave
Years?
 
I use half a pod for each thing I bake, so 60 times baking
 
Okay, I've earned talkative badge. I'm done.
 
3:25 PM
@Gigili Congrats :)
 
=)
 
I need to get the BBA if only so I can use the correct vocabulary instead of words like "football-shaped"
 
Also, if I don't cook the pod in milk (has to be done for some custards), I put the now-emptied pod in vodka to make some extract, it contains enough aroma and unscraped seeds
 
@Sob good ears btw, what do you score with
 
3:25 PM
@Sobachatina lol batard
 
Jay
@Sobachatina batard!!!
 
1 euro?
 
Jay
i know bread term whoooo
 
So more like 75 times baking I hope. This should be worth 15 Euro (should be thereabouts with shipping)
 
That's very doable :)
 
3:26 PM
But I don't know what this "aroma" is exactly.
 
@Jay btw, glad you're enjoying bread baking. It can be very satisfying
 
@Cerberus which "aroma"?
 
@rfusca A blade for a straight razor. $1 for 10 of them.
 
@rumtscho Yes, I boiled a pod in cream once, and I wanted to put it in wodka, but it's gotten moldy :(
 
Jay
3:27 PM
@rfusca my experience won't be complete until i actually bake a finished bread product lol
 
@Sobachatina you must have better technique than I - I just can't seem to get it with a non-serrated edge
 
@rfusca I bought some old fashioned razor blades the other day, gonna try them on french bread tomorrow
 
@Cerberus Good point.
 
@rumtscho So you live in Germany; may I ask where you're from?
 
they are, ahem, razor sharp though
 
3:27 PM
The real vanilla aroma is very complex, the way a strawberry aroma is complex. The products sold which are not made from real pods only have the main chemical compound of the pods, which is very one-dimensional
 
@ElendilTheTall old fashioned?
 
@Cerberus Bulgaria
 
Jay
@Cerberus Why, do you want to date her too?
 
Jay
lol j/k
 
3:28 PM
@rumtscho Wow! And have you lived in an English-speaking country for some time?
 
@ElendilTheTall This is what I use as well.
 
Jay
@rfusca that kind where little girls slip the throat of her family in horror films
 
@ElendilTheTall gotcha
 
I would like for find/make a convenient handle for it though.
 
@Jay Hehe. I was just wondering about her English, because it is terrific.
 
3:29 PM
@Sobachatina lames look like they'd hold one
 
Jay
@Cerberus Surrrreee ;)
 
@Jay He knows my graph, we already established that the Netherlands are too far. Actually, even Essen is too far for me. I probably wouldn't go north of Frankfurt.
@Cerberus No, only Bulgaria until I was 18, then Germany for the last 9.5 years
 
Jay
@rumtscho I'm terrible with geograpjy, those places mean nothing to me in terms of distance
 
@Jay Believe me, we're in no way compatible, hehe.
 
3:30 PM
@Cerberus You are not compatible to me, or to @jay?
 
@rumtscho Cool. I might have taken you for a native speaker.
 
But I started learning English early, and still use it a lot every day.
 
@rumtscho To you.
 
@rfusca I've wanted to learn how to shave with one of those. How awesome would it be to have one in the drawer just for bread.
 
@Cerberus No, I make too many silly mistakes for that. Sometimes I even notice them myself.
 
3:31 PM
That's hardcore bread making right thar.
 
Jay
@Cerberus Oh so you are compatible with me?
haha
Or at least more so than with @rumtscho
 
@Sobachatina lol
 
Jay
@Sobachatina you are beyond silly
 
I shave with exchangeable blades in a safety razor, haven't thought to use them for bread until now
 
@rumtscho Hmm I'll monitor your English, then.
 
Jay
3:35 PM
@rumtscho lol just dont get them mixed up
 
@Jay You're probably on the other side of the planet!
 
Jay
leg hair stubbles in your bread doesn't sound appetizing
@Cerberus I am in Pennsylvania, USA
 
@Jay obviously, I'll have to keep them in different places. And maybe mark them somehow.
 
Jay
I like long walks on the beach and sitting in the park reading books
i enjoy bubbles baths and barely lit room with lots of candles
 
But hey, I've had an 80 cm hair in a bread I baked, what are a few leg hair stubbles, almost invisible.
 
3:37 PM
@Jay Heh sorry, I'm not flying over for a walk in the park, even if it is a walk in the park.
 
Jay
I enjoy sleeping in and eating a hearty breakfast after a night of fun
This chatroom is such a distraction from work lol
 
Haha.
That all sounds very enticing, but perhaps some other time.
 
Jay
Sometimes I just want to spend all day on here and do no work at all
@Cerberus Hahaha perhaps
 
@Jay You're right on your way!
 
@Sob btw, are those the loaves from the same recipe you gave me?
 
Jay
3:42 PM
@Cerberus Nah, I'm actually doing work believe it or not. I'm just good at multitasking and switching my brain from work to nonwork mode
And going from mature to immature in a split second
 
@rfusca No no- the recipe I gave you was just sandwich bread- I've never tried baking that recipe in anything but a bread pan.
 
@Jay You mean, the "mature" part is a thin veneer used to obfuscate your thoughts when you are talking to your boss or parents?
 
Jay
@rumtscho hah pretty much
 
Those loaves with flour, water, salt, a little sourdough starter, oats, and a few seeds mixed together until they looked good.
I didn't measure anything.
The oats actually messed them up a little.
 
Jay
@Sobachatina how so? undercooked?
or messed up the gluten formation
 
3:45 PM
I had to soak them so they wouldn't chop up the gluten but I suspect the extra starch kept the gluten from being as tight as I wanted.
It is just a hypothesis but it seems correct.
 
@Sobachatina ic
 
Jay's a magician who conjures up himself from his hat as a bunny!
 
What do you think of this question:
 
you could always add the oats in after kneading?
 
0
Q: Baking course online

DivyaI want to learn baking. I have been reading recipes from the internet and trying them but, I want a more structured approach starting with the basics and going to the advanced. I don't feel the ad-hoc method of reading recipes and executing them satisfying. In my country, we don't bake a lot exce...

 
3:48 PM
 
@rfusca I wonder if I could get them fully incorporated by folding later on.
 
They call themselves Glutano and they sell a glutenfrei mix??
 
@Sobachatina don't know shrug
 
@Cerberus Gluta-NO?
 
we have had similar q before and not closed
3
Q: Training on molecular gastronomy and sous vide

Bruce GoldsteinI am looking for suggestions on opportunities for learning techniques directly from a skilled professional, preferably in a classroom setting. I have been dabbling in molecular gastronomy/precision cooking techniques in my home for a couple years. I have relied on the Khymos online reference, v...

 
3:49 PM
Yes, but MG is a lot more specialized I think.
 
But obviously it doesn't feel right to everybody, there is already a comment by @rfusca on the old q about it and it has an upvote.
 
I would suggest "Watch a lot of videos"
 
@Mien Oh is that it! I thought it was just a quasi-Italian suffix...
 
@rumtscho what are we talking about?
 
@Cerberus That could be it as well....
 
3:51 PM
oh that Q
@rumtscho i don't think the old one is a good fit. He was looking for somebody to personally teach. The new one is just looking for online stuff - much different IMO
the odds of somebody here having significant experience with a chef that happens to be in a pretty narrow field and regionally close to him are pretty slim
 
@rfusca Yes, but both sound not-very-good to me.
 
Jay
I don't think either questions are good imo
@rumtscho Ahhh we are doing it again
 
The new one goes in the direction of a broad poll
 
@rumtscho perhaps
If the question was 'Can somebody recommend a good baking book to get me started' - would it be closed?
because I don't see much difference there
 
And the SE network has the question about learning resources on each site (which book should I use to learn Python, etc.) and there is a feeling among the mods that they are terrible for each site.
 
Jay
3:55 PM
@rfusca most likely within minutes
 
hello @Laura
 
hey there @rumtscho!
 
@Jay umm no. search 'good book' on the site
 
They usually stay open, because they get asked early, when the scope is not yet set and the community doesn't distinguish between the good and bad q's yet. But they get full of poll-like answers.
 
Jay
I think the main difference is the fact that there are a lot less of the online learning resource taht fit her criteria than just asking fora book(where there are thousands or millions)
 
3:56 PM
@rumtscho you asked a good book question less than a year ago
 
And as @aaronut said a few days ago, just because we tolerate bad old questions, we shouldn't allow the new ones to exist.
 
Jay
@rfusca I think as it stands now, asking in general for a good book on a specific topic would be closed pretty fast
 
@rfusca the English quisine one?
 
@rumtscho completely agree there
@rumtscho ya
 
Not absolutely sure how good it was, but it was so overdefined, that it had less than one correct answer, so it didn't turn into a poll.
 
3:58 PM
@Jay @derobert @aaronut I thought the "when in doubt, throw it out" topic was a joke suggestion. If you can come up with a convincing argument for it, I will definitely listen...it just seems a little...easy. For anyone who asks a question not related to food spoilage to be entered to win a prize, I mean. And it doesn't seem like those types of questions are as prominent anymore, right?
 
@rumtscho well this isn't going to turn into much of a poll, there's pretty nearly 'zero' in terms of good online baking school
@Laura ya, i don't think we have that particular issue right now
 
Jay
@Laura I thought it was a joke too... and honestly i dont know how you would choose a winner for such a contest...
 

« first day (536 days earlier)      last day (4445 days later) »