The DMZ

Henry WH Hack

20:01

Thank you

Adi

@MarkBuffalo I am, and it will never get old. Also, that was not a display of my dickiness; it was a benign joke. Just like we wind @Simon up a bit by making fun of something he said or did, we were doing the same to you. It's a two-way street.

When I'm being a dick, it will be very clear.

AviD

@Adi @Simon's mom is a two way street, too.

Simon

It wouldn't be fair at all if I were to get all the teasing and nobody else would!

Adi

@MarkB See? Like that.

MickLH

@HenryWHHack lol gullible much? He's trolling...

Simon

20:02

It is true that @Adi is not afraid to call you out if you say/do something stupid.

Adi

@MickLH No. I'm now actually @Henry's friend.

AviD

@Simon and sometimes even if you don't.

Simon

o

MickLH

@Adi lol shhhh!

Simon

Ok I gotta finish this thing, TTYL lads.

MickLH

20:04

He's not gonna get it, it's gonna inflate his ego back to spaz-mode

Adi

@Simon We can help you finish it. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Henry WH Hack

I got in a fight over KFC.

Matt Clendenen

@Simon goes back to ripping his bong

MickLH

lol

Adi

I'd love some fast food now

MickLH

20:05

Oh look at that, it is happy hour :)

Adi

Oh man!

If only we had KFC in Finland

Henry WH Hack

#eating KFC

Thomas Pornin

@Adi In Québec we have PFK. Same thing, but in French.

In France it is called KFC.

Matt Clendenen

I'm actually from Kentucky

Adi

@ThomasPornin In Finland, we have nothing.

We don't have Domino's Pizza

Matt Clendenen

20:07

There is a large monument of the colonel in Corbin Kentucky now haha

Henry WH Hack

What is Obama last name?

Matt Clendenen

Obama IruinedAmerica

Adi

So, here's the thing.

He's definitely not a troll

He's too idle to be a troll

Rоry McCune

@Adi pls you have pizza hut

Adi

@RоryMcCune We do? I thought we only have Kotipizza

Rоry McCune

20:10

@Adi I'm betting on markov-chain bot

@Adi next to the cinema in Helsinki is a pizza hut, they have a all-you-can-eat buffet

Adi

@RоryMcCune On no!! You went to Rax, didn't you?

MickLH

@RоryMcCune I'll take this bet, the spew is too consistently stupid to be completely random

Rоry McCune

@Adi what's Rax?

@MickLH thus markov-chain , those bots can produce almost sensible sounding stuff sometimes

AviD

@RоryMcCune are we talking about Trump now?

cause I think he's broken...

Rоry McCune

@AviD lolz hey now that's not way to talk about the future president of the USA

Thomas Pornin

20:12

@AviD There is no known way to make hair look like that. This must be genuine.

MickLH

@RоryMcCune I could see it implemented as a markov chain for the output, but the chain weights would have to be generated by some more advanced algorithm

AviD

@ThomasPornin heh

Rоry McCune

@MickLH now it's posting its e-mail address

MickLH

Something that specifically can gauge what comments would be stupid to make, and prefers those

Rоry McCune

ok which one of you wise-guys coded a chat.se bot

Adi

20:13

Actually, this is the message that made me think he's a bot

Henry WH Hack

Anyone want the password

Thomas Pornin

Ooooh, a blue mark !

TildalWave

I'm just trying to buy us all a 15 minutes break ;)

AviD

why is everyone flagging that? who cares?

Thomas Pornin

Pretty !

Rоry McCune

20:14

@HenryWHHack hey henry, how much wood would a wood-chuck chuck if a wood-chuck could chuck wood?

Jon

stopp flagging everything its triggering my PC rage

MickLH

lmfao jon you silly goose go back to gamedev

AviD

if you jeggers bring in a modflood I will donutslap the lot of you

2

TildalWave

@AviD I don't much but apparently people started talking about it, and appears to be a distraction

AviD

OH DAMN HERE IT COMES

Rоry McCune

20:15

@TildalWave are you flagging all the thigns?

hello travellers

AviD

FYI all incoming mods - it is being handled

Rоry McCune

(aka foreign mods)

welcome to the DMZ

Jon

Flag is so ... flaggy

Rоry McCune

we appear to have a bot

don't worry

Jon

should be renamed.

AviD

20:16

@TildalWave really. You are worried about a distraction. In the DMZ.

Rоry McCune

the nice tigger has it all under control

MickLH

at least we wont have to deal with @kalina because she hates me so much

Rоry McCune

look at him bounce on stuff

Jon

I love that man

AviD

@RоryMcCune theres another tigger here??

Ixrec

20:17

I remain curious why anyone thought those bot messages were in need of flagging

Adi

What the poop just happened?!

AviD

@Adi still trying to find out.

MickLH

Isn't this what happens to every flag?

Jon

are we allowed to say poop in here?

Rоry McCune

@MickLH she's not in dude, you need to vanquish the @Simon monster to release the fair princess @kalina

Jon

20:17

might have to flag my own message... ugh

Adi

AviD

is there really a bot here? or is someone just being an annoying git?

@Jon depends on context.

TildalWave

@AviD personally not much but apparently people started talking about it, and appears to be a distraction

Rоry McCune

@Jon lol, that would... not be the worst thing I've seen in here today

Adi

My chat window refreshed and I got that

AviD

20:17

@Jon like, are you at the top of a boat?

Jon

lol

MickLH

@RоryMcCune wait lol are you saying she actually does avoid the place because of someone annoying?

Aaron Hall

what's going on?

Rоry McCune

@AviD I'm reasonable sure that @HenryWHHack is a bot

Jon

i'm sitting awkwardly on a chair/footstool

Rоry McCune

20:18

@MickLH that's what she said yep

Jon

She is a poop starter :)

Rоry McCune

@AaronHall some possibly excessive flagging based on a bot in the room

terdon

@AviD I see you have it well in hand. I'll show myself out :)

AviD

@RоryMcCune havent really been paying attention. if everyone can shuddup for a few minutes, I can track it down...

TildalWave

@Ixrec not the specific ones, the load of them, just random and persistent noise that bears no significance to anything being talked about here

Rоry McCune

20:19

@AviD pls, that would make your life waaaay too easy

Aaron Hall

why flag a bot?

AviD

@terdon naw, man, stay a while, hang out for a bit.

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave Bears. You said bears.

AviD

@AaronHall thats what I'm trying to figure out!

Rоry McCune

@AaronHall I'm not sure, some people thought it was a good plan

Thomas Pornin

20:19

Ah, the verb. Sorry.

Jon

lol...

Rоry McCune

@AaronHall it did post its e-mail address in room and ask if anyone wanted the password

terdon

In an infosec room? You kidding? You'll eat me for breakfast!

hichris123

@AaronHall If you get enough flags, it can be suspended...

Ixrec

TildalWave

20:19

@ThomasPornin :)

AviD

:27944222 yeah okay that was well over the line.

PreferenceBean

@Ixrec I flagged them, because that user needed to be silenced. It was successful:

> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 26 minutes.

Now everybody can move on.

Rоry McCune

so this is how to make a room on chat.SE busy!

AviD

@PreferenceBean yay!

ArtOfCode

It's also a very good way to get it timed out. Time to calm down, people.

Ixrec

20:20

@PreferenceBean no mods around to ask?

Jon

what is this room about anyways?

PreferenceBean

4 mins ago, by AviD

FYI all incoming mods - it is being handled

Jon

ponies and pyros.. wtf

PreferenceBean

Everything had the desired effect. Nothing to see here!

Thomas Pornin

@Jon That is a good question....

terdon

20:20

@PreferenceBean Next time, please ping one of the local mods or room owners and ask them to kick the offending user. Remember that flags (and especially spam/offensive flags) are the big guns. And they are shown to everyone network wide which is usually a bad thing.

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Rоry McCune

@Jon the description is relatively accurate

AviD

@Jon security and lots of other stuff

ArtOfCode

@PreferenceBean and now it's being handled by even more people.

Jon

fair enough.

PreferenceBean

@terdon A mod had been sat on the conversation for a while already. Clearly that was insufficient. Otherwise I'd have left it.

AviD

20:21

@ArtOfCode whuddup?

Rоry McCune

eh. eh. eh. calm down calm down.

AviD

1 min ago, by PreferenceBean

4 mins ago, by AviD

FYI all incoming mods - it is being handled

PreferenceBean

The first flag wasn't me, but someone who indeed triggered the annoyance that you're right flags cause! So casting more was a quick way to put a stop to it.

hth

Thomas Pornin

@PreferenceBean That's you, @AviD. Apparently you are called a slacker.

Rоry McCune

let's not start kicking people

Jon

20:22

yay, i got a star on the board in the DMZ!! woot woot

PreferenceBean

@RоryMcCune haha you sound just like someone I know doing an impression of someone else I know. word for word :)

terdon

@Jon Pffft, I got me two!

AviD

@PreferenceBean no, I'm too busy dealing with you and your ilk.

TildalWave

@AviD you kicked me dude?

PreferenceBean

@AviD Erm, excuse me?

AviD

20:22

This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; the topic of this room is "A special place where bears are ursine overlords, ponies are pyros, gender checks are not carried out through brain surgery and mods are self-censoring... non-Sec.SE mods please consult the local team before considering bans :) PS we don't do hardware/software support" - conversation should be limited to that topic.

ArtOfCode

@AviD If offensive messages are being left up, it's not being handled.

AviD

@TildalWave no, I was looking to unkick you.

Rоry McCune

@PreferenceBean are they from Liverpool by any chance?

user41796

@ArtOfCode Earlier message wasn't offensive, just an email address. Follow-up flag was offensive.

ArtOfCode

@GlenH7 Not that one.

AviD

20:23

@ArtOfCode yeah not really anything offensive there.

except for the modflood.

Rоry McCune

I'm soo glad @kalina isn't here at the moment, she'd have a mod-attack!

ArtOfCode

@AviD I don't know who it was directed at, but calling anyone a troll ain't Nice.

AviD

@RоryMcCune duuuude, dont call her in here

@ArtOfCode except for trolls.

not sure what you're referring to though, I'm still trying to catch up.

Rоry McCune

@AviD pls she's been @ pinged like 10 times in the last hour, she's out duff duff duff'in I'd bet

ArtOfCode

@AviD Trolls you silently remove. You don't insult them.

TildalWave

20:24

can all the non-secse mods please just leave?

ArtOfCode

That's not how chat works

TildalWave

unless you were here before

Jon

i'm secse

TildalWave

thank you

Ohnana

yo i pinged rory the room owner over this since he was first in the list. i tried to do the right thing and stop the invading tide of blue

ArtOfCode

20:25

@Ohnana That's not the right thing.

AviD

@ArtOfCode sure. I'm trying to sort it out, if the modflood can calm down a bit

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana unfort I can only kick for one min. doesn't really do the job

AviD

@ArtOfCode yes, yes it is.

Thomas Pornin

This flagging system seems to be peculiarly weak to drama storms.

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune was not aware of the restriction. next time i'll grab a diamond

@ArtOfCode ? enlighten me then

AviD

20:26

Flooding into a room you know nothing about, and are not at all familiar with the culture, trying to enforce your own subjective opinions, is not a good idea.

TildalWave

@ArtOfCode and you seem to have this tendency to go around Se chat rooms and tell people what you think is appropriate when you're barely ever there otherwise ... please stop this

Jon

some people consider a flag a good thing... american for example.

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana I'm afraid my powers are somewhat limited... unlike the boundless might of .... THE MOD SQUAD

user41796

@Ohnana Also keep in mind that a diamond can edit the post to remove the information. Then it can be purged from the comment history too

Jon

so if i see flag.. i'm like, sure why not.

ArtOfCode

20:26

@TildalWave That's what being a moderator is. I'm not about to stop it.

Ixrec

@ThomasPornin yeah, there are many MSE posts I agree with about how flags generally cause more problems than they solve

Rоry McCune

:27944566 dude this likely isn't a good time for self-expression ....

TildalWave

I used to be one just a few weeks ago until I got enough of some SO trolls, mods included

Jon

the issue is that non-channel mods come in.. and act like dictators

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave it may be wise to wait till the all go away :)

Thomas Pornin

20:27

@Ixrec Yeah, but here we deal with information security; we don't try to solve such problems, we wonder how we could escalate them to nuclear proportions.

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Rоry McCune

hey why are all the new people showing up

Almo

you gotta admit the SE chatrooms are pretty clean as far as internet chat rooms go

Jon

i came for the flags.

Rоry McCune

we've not had flags for a minute or two...

Jon

stayed for the batshit craziness

Ixrec

20:28

@ThomasPornin oooooh, so that's why this is the only chatroom I've ever seen argue that flags result in a hostile takeover from foreign mods

TildalWave

@Jon hah fair enough :)

we've got loads of that

user41796

@Ixrec I dunno about the only room... :-P

Ohnana

@GlenH7 i'm aware. i missed the message that set all this off

Ixrec

@GlenH7 keyword "I've", I'm sure you've seen more

Ohnana

i tried to grab someone to do the helpful when the commentary devolved into letter mashing :P

Arperum

20:29

@Ixrec There are others that will also result in huge arguments about it.

Rоry McCune

@Ixrec the local mods a relatively good at keeping things under control whilst allowing a relatively good level of free expression :)

TildalWave

probably the worst would be the TL

user41796

@Ohnana FWIW, I normally fix things through the transcript and don't drop into the room. I only stopped by because I saw a few other regulars I know who were chatting.

Ohnana

@GlenH7 well, it's fine to come and stay a while

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana it didn't go pete tong till the bot posted it's e-mail address

and I think I know who's bot it was too

Ohnana

20:30

it's not a treefort, and we don't circle the wagons at the first sign of newcomers

Rоry McCune

although said personage is now conspicuous by their absence

Xander

@Ixrec You haven't seen much then.

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana we don't.... Aww....

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune Technically it posted an email address, whose ownership is not guaranteed.

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune rory we talked about this!

Rоry McCune

20:30

@ThomasPornin true

terdon

@Ohnana And you call yourselves security experts! Why, anyone could walk right in then!

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana but I like circling the wagons!

Thomas Pornin

@terdon We have mitigation.

Xander

@Arperum @Ixrec And meta posts, even.

terdon

@ThomasPornin That's what they all say.

TildalWave

20:31

@terdon and what might you call yourself?

Ohnana

@terdon we use the donut authentication protocol to decide if someone is friend or foe :)

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana "Speak Friend , and enter"?

TildalWave

WTF?

again

please

terdon

@TildalWave Various things, none of them security related. I don't know the first thing about what you guys do.

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune In fact the good reason to edit email addresses away is precisely that it could be the address of somebody else, who might be unhappy about that.

TildalWave

20:32

if you're here to resolve flags, please pay attention that there aren't any

thank you

AviD

People. Next time you are tempted to start flagging things as a game - just don't.

terdon

@Ohnana Oh come on, even I know that one is full of holes!

AviD

Mm'kay?

Thomas Pornin

@terdon Rest assured that we don't know either.

Rоry McCune

@ThomasPornin possibly although TBH e-mail addresses should be considered public information from a practical perspective.

@ThomasPornin if it had managed to post the password, that would've been a different story

Thomas Pornin

20:33

@RоryMcCune I agree, and that's why my email address is certainly not secret. But there are many people out there who don't think that way, especially for their own address.

Ohnana

@terdon :D

terdon

@ThomasPornin Actually, as luck would have it, I was reading a very good and clear answer of yours about /dev/random vs /dev/urandom`. Cleared it right up, thanks!

Ohnana

@AviD directions unclear, carpet-flagged everything

what do???

Rоry McCune

@ThomasPornin true although I'd suggest they're in for disappointment, given the rate of pwnage these days

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune That's called being polite. You don't go around telling ugly people that they are ugly.

Rоry McCune

20:36

@ThomasPornin possibly, but a recipe for disappoint still

AviD

@ThomasPornin right. You should also not tell the ugly people that you cant make jokes about their looks since they're probably sensitive about it.

Learned that one the hard way.

Ohnana

@Jolenealaska oh hey you're the one who did the avocado science

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune He. The whole story of mankind.

Ohnana

great post :)

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin If we had a working anti-spam technique, we wouldn't need to keep them secret.

Thomas Pornin

20:40

@CodesInChaos Speaking of which, spamming levels have slowly decreased in the last decade.

I have my own SMTP server, with no uplink filter. I can count spams. Ten years ago I was receiving about 400 par day; this has trickled down to about 100.

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin interesting. wonder why spam is going down

Ixrec

That sounds like a good thing. Is there a nefarious twist like "instead they've gotten better at auto-generating spear phishing emails"?

Thomas Pornin

I suppose that the return of investment for spamming has decreased, with big ISP applying better filters, and also a substantial proportion of Internet users not even having an email address anymore.

Jolenealaska

@Ohnana Yep, that was me

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune That is so you

Ohnana

20:43

@ThomasPornin er what? a lot of social media sites require an email

Thomas Pornin

I heard that email is almost as old-fashion as fax. Right now it is Facebook messaging or die.

Mark Buffalo

Also, speaking of hacking... I have a set of email addresses set up to alert me of hacks in advance

Rоry McCune

@ThomasPornin I think even that's on the way out in favour of whatsapp and friends

Thomas Pornin

@Ohnana Any technical email address would be kept only for technical needs, such as registration on sites, but not consulted on a regular basis.

Jolenealaska

@Ohnana Thank you :)

Ixrec

20:44

the social chatter is moving around a lot but all the other purposes that email is good for it's still being used for

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin fair point

AviD

seriously, the next one to start a flagflood and make go into the TL again, Imma kickslap him myself.

Ohnana

@Jolenealaska it would be useful if there were ever any leftover avocado in my house >.>

AviD

@ThomasPornin pls, Facebook messaging... you old fogey

Ohnana

@AviD i wish flags had a graduated approach

Rоry McCune

20:45

@AviD did you have to go and report to the big boys and girls?

AviD

@RоryMcCune "report", no

Ohnana

give the local mod team like 1 hr to respond, then escalate to other mods, then to 10kers

AviD

storm in and toss some chairs around

user41796

@RоryMcCune Just threw some smack down. That's all.

Rоry McCune

TIGGER_SMACK_DOWN!

Ohnana

20:45

idfk why 10k ppl can respond to flags, it's not like they can kick people or respond meaningfully

AviD

@Ohnana the problem is chat is immediate. If there are actual attacks going on - as they thought it was - it shouldnt wait, even if no local mods are presently in the room

and staring at the right window

Jolenealaska

@Ohnana There's never any in mine either, and I live alone. The hardest part of those experiment was watching the death of perfectly good avocados.

Ohnana

@AviD what kind of attack in chat requires someone to respond RITE NAO!!!!

AviD

@Ohnana yeah that really adds to the dramaflood

@Ohnana pls, should I take off @Simon's leash?

Thomas Pornin

@AviD I don't even have a Facebook account.

user41796

20:47

@Ohnana Some things go way past the line and need to be dealt with immediately

Ohnana

@Jolenealaska this is why spoons were invented -- to put avocados out of their misery :P

AviD

kidding, he's actually rather tame (usually). but there are others...

Ohnana

@GlenH7 true, but the immediate stop-gap is to put the offender on ignore and notify a moderator

then they can follow up with long-term impact

terdon

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Q: Add escalation system to chat flags

The offensive/spam flags in chat are shown to every moderator from a parent site (on chat.stackexchange.com that is every SE 2.0 moderator, more than 200 right now) and 10k chat users as well. This is potentially far more users than a flag on an SE site itself is shown to. I don't think it is n...

AviD

@Ohnana its not always that simple

user41796

20:48

^^^ That

Ohnana

@AviD could you give an example? I don't follow

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Chat can play sounds (e.g. when you are responded to). Maybe the powers-that-be could implement a special sound in case of flag (Wagner or Verdi would be appropriate) ?

terdon

@Ohnana Two words: rape jokes

AviD

@ThomasPornin hehe

Ohnana

@terdon how does ignoring/hiding the user to give mods a chance to step in not adequately solve the problem? what if it was 15mins?

AviD

20:49

@Ohnana that. Or torches and pitchforks. That tends to snowball.

terdon

@Ohnana The idea is that some things are just too offensive to allow to hang around.

Ohnana

@AviD that's a good example

AviD

@Ohnana because you only ignore for yourself. not always enough.

Ohnana

@terdon fair enough

what if flags had a DEFCON level?

1. ew that's not okay 2. EW that's totally out of line! 3. HOLY **** CALL THE PRESIDENT

AviD

@terdon not just that, usually once it rolls off the screen its permanent (not really, but aint noone got time fo dat)

terdon

20:51

That would be great but who decides it? I saw the word penis flagged the other day. Some people have a very low tolerance for "offensive".

@AviD That too.

AviD

@terdon YOU SAID "OFFENSIVE"!!

terdon

:)

user41796

@Ohnana I don't know that a level has been suggested. You might consider adding that to the MSE post linked above about flag escalation

MickLH

Why is @GlenH7 still here?

Ohnana

i think the common problem is that people are stupid and we should ban them all from SE

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Jolenealaska

20:51

I will bow out now gracefully, I see plenty of blue here :) Back to The Frying Pan where I belong!

AviD

That's Offensive

►

Ohnana

all hail smoke detector

user41796

@MickLH Because chat rooms are public? And I'm enjoying the conversation with the others here.

Ohnana

@MickLH cuz they're chillin

AviD

@Jolenealaska cheers!

Ohnana

20:52

@MickLH why are YOU here? don't you have ragdolls to flop about with? ;)

AviD

@MickLH he is very welcome here!

MickLH

I'm just trying to make him feel accepted here guys pony!

If nobody gave him shit, we are basically saying he can't handle the room

AviD

so yeah, we do have a fuzzy line about outright profanity... some of the mods tend to modedit that out

MickLH

I will admit I have a problem with that

AviD

@MickLH no worries. you can learn.

@terdon o_O

MickLH

20:54

Where if I'm on the fence about cursing, but I see people who might take offense to it, I become sure I will curse in that instance.

terdon

@AviD Sorry, couldn't resist.

AviD

it IS fuzzy. Sometimes it is appropriate. :P

Rоry McCune

Youse are all a load of pure gallas bams

terdon

The basic rule about profanity is that while it may be acceptable in certain contexts, it is never acceptable when directed at someone.

3

Rоry McCune

see the key to swearing in room is to make in unintelligable to everyone else :)

AviD

20:55

@MickLH yeah its not even really about taking offense, its more keeping a modicum of profesionalism. Which is rather amusing to say here.

@terdon well said.

terdon

So, you guys may have a room that allows profanity if used as an exclamation, but nobody gets to use it to actively insult anyone. Room culture notwithstanding.

Ohnana

@terdon i'm okay with that

AviD

@terdon yup

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune are you sneezing or insulting me in scottish

terdon

Which is not to say that some 10kers or mods won't validate silly flags against things like hell yeah or whatnot, but you know you're over the line if you directly insult someone.

Ohnana

20:56

i'm not sure

@terdon omfg. that's adorable.

user41796

@Ohnana both

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana the latter although it wasn't actually directed at you... :)

Ohnana

someone said H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS!!!!

Rоry McCune

which reminds me

Thomas Pornin

@AviD E.g. when you want to talk about the gene that encodes for the L-Fuculokinase enzyme. It is the fucK gene.

Rоry McCune

20:57

NEDS Kru ft. The Wee Man

►

that's probably one of more glaswegian things on the Internet

terdon

@ThomasPornin looks around, trying to find Gene

AviD

@ThomasPornin or that place in Thaliand called Fuckit.

Rоry McCune

(NSFW if you understand glaswegian)

MickLH

@terdon but it was simon!

terdon

Oh well, that's different then.

AviD

20:58

@MickLH not different. @Simon is a protected species.

MickLH

right?! my suspension was completely unjust

AviD

See what I did there? Sure I insulted him, but I did it endearingly.

MickLH

@AviD Why do we protect it if we can't eat it?

To hunt for fun.

So lets not go overboard on that protection shit

terdon

Anyway, I leave you all to discuss your security arcana in the very capable paws of Avid.

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Almo

I got a nickel defense against all that offense

Ohnana

20:59

"capable"

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