The DMZ

Ohnana

21:00

that is a word i didn't think i'd hear out of avid

AviD

@Ohnana no, really, another mod said it, its official.

Ohnana

@AviD no it isn't

overturned by popular dissent

@MickLH that's sad

AviD

@MickLH consider this your last warning.

Ohnana

YOU UNSTAR THAT

user41796

@Ohnana But it's been pinned. Back to official.

MickLH

21:01

Yeah working sucks

Ohnana

YOU UNSTAR THAT TROLLOP RIGHT NOW

MickLH

But you have to get yourself to do it somehow

Ohnana

/wargarble

user41796

@MickLH protip: ask for a mod to manually suspend you instead.

AviD

@Ohnana ftr, I didnt star it, until you yelled about it

Ohnana

21:02

@AviD AARGH

MickLH

@GlenH7 Well at the time the flag chaos was still ramping up so I figured I can kill two birds with one stone

Ohnana

if i had to make a list of things that annoy me I'd just print out a picture of tigger holding an israeli flag and people would think i was literally insane.

AviD

@GlenH7 stupid question, I thought there wasnt timed suspension anymore, just kickban.

@Ohnana oh come now. That's ridiculous.

you didnt even mention a pyramid or a rocket launcher.

MickLH

@Ohnana People in the USA would understand

user41796

@AviD Go into a user's chat profile and click on moderation tools. There's an option to suspend

MickLH

21:04

That clearly means you're annoyed by Muslims destroying the innocence of children.

AviD

@GlenH7 ahhh cool, thanks!

Ohnana

@AviD google images has dissapointed me

AviD

its not right there in the popup, I dont see it no more

user41796

For instance: @MickLH - I'll return the introductory hazing by offering to suspend you for 12 hours. Would that be enough time to get more work done today?

MickLH

Excuse me? Is that a threat?

Ohnana

21:04

@MickLH that's a gracious offer

take him up on it

user41796

11 mins ago, by MickLH

If nobody gave him shit, we are basically saying he can't handle the room

MickLH

I'll decline

user41796

Okay. Offer rescinded then

MickLH

I got started on my work, that's the hard part.

Ohnana

lmao

MickLH

21:05

Now that it's open, I just tab to it every few seconds, throw together a couple structs

Write a line or two of logic, etc

@GlenH7 While I think it's fine where it is, if you are trying to move it, this question seems fit for GDSE

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Q: Calculating Engine RPM for Game

I am trying to make an advanced car physics simulation for a game. What I need to do now is to calculate engine RPM in quite an accurate way. As the timesteps between calculations are very small (60 frames per second or 0.166667 ms) I can afford to use old frame data in a new frame so that's not ...

user41796

@MickLH No close votes currently on it, so I'm inclined to see how it does. Engineering is still in beta and it can take a day or two before answers will come in. If it gets closed, I'll see if game design is interested.

user41796

We have picked up a number of borderline questions where the OP wants a better understanding of the actual engineering principles behind their question even though it's not for a real world use.

MickLH

The only possible compatibility issue I see is that GD would probably want to know why he needs such precision, and would be more inclined to tell him to use an approximation that meets his necessary goals instead

TildalWave

has the incompetence task farce buggered off yet?

MickLH

But if it's really for a game, that's usually a better approach anyways

user41796

21:11

@TildalWave I dunno. I'm still here.

Ohnana

@TildalWave there's people in the chat, so no

2

:P

TildalWave

@Ohnana haha good point

Ohnana

now the only question is, who's the captain?

TildalWave

what drama they caused... and the funniest thing was that it was me that flagged that

Ohnana

@TildalWave way to go slugger

user41796

21:12

13 mins ago, by terdon

Anyway, I leave you all to discuss your security arcana in the very capable paws of Avid.

Gilles

@TildalWave hey, don't escalate things

TildalWave

@Gilles shuddup you

AviD

@TildalWave so YOU caused

Ohnana

@GlenH7 mmm, yes

MickLH

"incompetence task farce" sounds like a B-comedy so good it's almost an A

Gilles

21:13

if someone isn't behaving appropriately, don't one-up them

Xander

@TildalWave To be fair, you're your own worst enemy.

Ohnana

@Avid we've elected you captain of the incompetence task farce

@Avid you'll be paid in buttcoin

user41796

@AviD So it's network profile -> Moderator tools -> ... :-P

Almo

@Ohnana but... but dogecoin.

what about dogecoin

AviD

@GlenH7 hehe

Xander

21:14

@GlenH7 Ha ha.

AviD

@TildalWave yeah... dont do that again, kk?

Henry WH Hack

@everybodyinthischatroom Hey guys sorry about what happened.

MickLH

Oh yeah! That's what I wanted to say, none of that drama actually worked towards correcting the problem.

See!

AviD

dont make me rain down on you the fury of helltiggers.

TildalWave

@Xander Wow really? I flagged something as effing annoying already for which most then active in the chat seems to have agreed, and then all the drama ensues due to system's built-in incompetence, and I'm my own worst enemy? You know what? I don't give a flying pony

Ohnana

21:15

@HenryWHHack apology accepted, please be the person Mr. Rogers thinks you are next time, okay?

Almo

flag not for "annoying"

AviD

@TildalWave see, its things like that that is the problem

Henry WH Hack

@TildalWave sorry

AviD

@Almo this

TildalWave

we had a relatively normal conversation before, all it was wrong with it was that there was this fly flying around and people started waving their hands

MickLH

21:16

Wait a second...

TildalWave

if that's how SE deals with a fly then fuck this you don't deserve me around

MickLH

Why don't we have a find and replace bot with mod privs?

AviD

@TildalWave cmon man, you know the deal. Trolls and bots - tell a mod.

Almo

hahah that's pretty funny

AviD

dont bring down helldrama.

MickLH

21:16

chatbot s/fuck/pony/g

TildalWave

@AviD isn't that what a fucking flag does?

Ohnana

@MickLH it would turn into TrollBot destroyer of fun

especially in the DMZ, we'd find ways to fuck with it

AviD

@TildalWave that sounds like an interesting toy.

MickLH

@Ohnana of course, but guess what?

AviD

and no, no it doesnt.

MickLH

21:17

that's fun!

TildalWave

but no, why blame that the system is built by morons and maintained by conformistic bitches when we can stick a finger up someone's bum

AviD

a flag tells ALL the mods.

Ohnana

@AviD hey, there are plenty of fucking flags... protip stay away from red and brown

TildalWave

that's SE for you

Almo

a flag tells room owners and 10k+ users as well

TildalWave

21:17

bunch of twats

AviD

@TildalWave wwow did someone hack your account?

maybe take a voluntary timeout for a bit, bro.

TildalWave

did someone hack your intelligence?

Ohnana

@AviD it has been 0 days since the last freakout

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Almo

hahah

Xander

@TildalWave No need to get upset. And its not just chat moderation I'm talking about. Remember the comment war with Lippert a few years ago? If you could just let things slide every now again, I think you would make it easier on yourself. And of course you're free to disagree, which I know you do. :-)

Ohnana

21:18

oh come on now don't star that

Almo

i saw the 750 revision rollback war recently

MickLH

I didn't star that

TildalWave

I used to have a relatively fun time here, what happened?

user41796

@TildalWave I'm with Tigger on this one. Room culture or not, you're pushing a line you probably shouldn't be pushing.

Almo

@GlenH7 I'm with Glen on this one

AviD

21:18

@TildalWave you pulled your pants on too high?

Almo

pushing the rules to prove they're silly doesn't work well

AviD

@Almo I'm with @Almo on this one

MickLH

@TildalWave @Simon

@Simon happened.

TildalWave

@AviD c'mon dude that's not even half funny

Almo

@AviD BOOM STACK OVERFLOW ERROR

AviD

21:19

@Almo nah, thats not what @TildalWave is doing tho

Almo

yeah you're right

Occurred to me after i said it

AviD

@TildalWave cmon it is a little bit!

Almo

still true, but not applicable in this case

MickLH

@Almo we already had a circular reply chain today

Almo

we get that occasionally at gamedev chat

MickLH

21:20

It happened fast enough that the first post was edited to be a reply to the last post in the chain

TildalWave

@AviD there was like two dozen people coming here like a swarm of insects and fucked everything up, but sure, go ahead and endorse that and point your finger that I got upset by how fucking incompetent that is

Ohnana

if you know something's broken, don't screw with it until it's fixed

AviD

@TildalWave oh I totally agree. but dont exacerbate it.

Ohnana

that's like poking an open wound and going "AH GOD THAT HURTS!!!!"

MickLH

@Ohnana unless it's ok to break it worse!

Gilles

21:21

@TildalWave Once again, and for the last time: if something upsets you, walk away. Do not escalate.

4

Ohnana

yes, yes it does, we've established that, stop poking it!!

MickLH

sometimes breaking it worse is not actually the worst thing

Gilles

These past few minutes, you've been escalating. Stop it. Now.

TildalWave

there was a simple problem to solve, it was initiated so in the system suggested way, and what happens? it turns up I pressed the red fucking button and the thing went full nuclear

that's not my problem, that's yours

Ohnana

don't push the goddamn button!

4

TildalWave

21:21

unless of course you've all fallen hard on your heads and think that's OK

AviD

@TildalWave well, you pressed the big red nuclear button.

MickLH

or push it! sometimes it's fine!

AviD

dont push that, unless things need to go nuclear.

TildalWave

@AviD of course I fucking did

MickLH

full nook-yuh-lurr

TildalWave

21:22

that's the whole fun of it

AviD

ah well see

TildalWave

ah well see what?

Ohnana

@MickLH no it's nyuu-kyuu-lurr

Henry WH Hack

Is ap isolations worth it anyone?

TildalWave

don't want that button there, remove it

MickLH

21:22

damnit however you spell it, pronounce it like George Bush

TildalWave

don't tell me I abused it for pressing it in accordance with what it says on it

AviD

@TildalWave hmm, or maybe SE assumes that everyone can be an adult about it.

MickLH

@TildalWave But... it says "Everybody dies."

AviD

which ofc is a foolish presumption.

Xander

@HenryWHHack If isolating your APs is a goal, then yes.

MickLH

21:23

You didn't abuse the button, you abused the everyone.

Henry WH Hack

@Xander no for security

Ohnana

@HenryWHHack "worth it" depends on your cost, wealth, need, and time

AviD

OKAY guys? drama meter is rising again. Bring it down now, please.

Ohnana

it's highly tailored and equal parts broad and opinionated

AviD

let us just move on.

Xander

21:24

@HenryWHHack What is your threat model? What are you trying to prevent?

Ohnana

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Q: Wireless client isolation - how does it work, and can it be bypassed?

Many SOHO routers these days support a feature called "wireless client isolation", or similar. What this is supposed to do, in principle, is to limit the connectivity between wireless clients connected to the AP. Wireless clients can talk to the LAN, and reach the Internet if such connection is...

firewalls wifi

TildalWave

@AviD Look, dude, I have that bit of respect for you, you know that. Now tell me honestly, in your opinion, use my email if you can't say it here because of the curfew or something, but do you consider that, and which has happened many times before, and apparently will happen again because nobody gives a fuck to fix it, a competent, professional reaction?

AviD

whose reaction?

Henry WH Hack

@Xander the guys what the big black hat

AviD

Yours? no. Modflood? Mostly no.

Ohnana

21:25

@HenryWHHack this site has been around long enough that there are canonical questions for big topics. searching the site brings up a ton of info :)

TildalWave

Because it is almost as ludicrous as one Shakespeare's title, just so much less important.

AviD

@HenryWHHack Hassidim?

TildalWave

@AviD there was a fly on the wall, the top of the can of anti-roach spray was pressed, and the whole fucking country explodes

that reaction

Henry WH Hack

@AviD No black hat hackers

AviD

@HenryWHHack be more specific.

@TildalWave yeah, was some explosion...

TildalWave

21:27

the kneejerk "I have powaz and buttinz to press watch my big ween" one

AviD

but no emotional response was called for here.

Xander

+1

AviD

@TildalWave I'm still confused - are we talking about you or the modfloods?

TildalWave

@AviD moodflood

oops, Freudian slip

Rоry McCune

err why are people talking to the bot now...

Henry WH Hack

21:28

I am form the nsa

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune exactly

AviD

@RоryMcCune is it really a bot?

Rоry McCune

@AviD it re-appeared and made no attempt to explain earlier posting of an e-mail address and password, that's not human style behaviour

@AviD it's a bot or a troll, take your pick

Henry WH Hack

@AviD It is skynet!

Ohnana

15 mins ago, by Henry WH Hack

@everybodyinthischatroom Hey guys sorry about what happened.

Henry WH Hack

21:30

@Ohnana what?

Mark Buffalo

sigh

TildalWave

not his/her/its fault at all

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana that's not an explanation

Mark Buffalo

I set up my domain with tons of stupid, random email addresses

AviD

@RоryMcCune I think just one of those annoying types of socially inept cavepeople. We've had them before. Sometimes, they reform, sometimes they leave, sometimes they get left behind.

Ohnana

21:30

@HenryWHHack i quoted you because rory missed something you said

Mark Buffalo

and used them to sign up for various sites, just to see what would happen

AviD

I'm willing to give the chance.

Mark Buffalo

hack-phished by: IRS.gov, pizza hutt, and 3 others

Rоry McCune

@AviD well you're the mod, I'll just say that I told you so when we have the next resultant mod-flood :op

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo pizza the hutt?

AviD

21:31

@RоryMcCune its also jsut plain silliness. A weak attempt at trying to fit in.

Ohnana

that's a monster I'd like to fight

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana Pizza Hut got hacked

AviD

Or trolling. Who can tell in this room.

@RоryMcCune heh. Keep an eye on him, let me know if there is anything egregious.

Rоry McCune

@AviD I think it's a bot made by one of the regulars

Ohnana

it's best to respond with compassion and gentility first, then pull out the hammer for round two

AviD

21:32

Also, I feel I must point out that I really like that word. Egregious.

Rоry McCune

@AviD oh hells no, I'm not a mod , I can use ignore :op

Xander

@MarkBuffalo I set up my email domain and created addresses for each site as well. Not random addresses, reasonable addresses. And then discovered that with remarkable accuracy I could tell when they'd had a data breach, generally before it was publicly announced.

Mark Buffalo

@Xander Yup, reasonable addresses. I do the same

TildalWave

;) ;)

Mark Buffalo

@Xander My little early-warning system got me like a year before the IRS warned us of the hacks

TildalWave

21:33

^ see? it's OK now, I winked :P

Ohnana

it has been 0 minutes since the last freakout

Mark Buffalo

and the fucking OPM breach too

Henry WH Hack

@MarkBuffalo It was a miss order that way there got hacked those hackers hackers will always be hackers!

AviD

@Xander heh. you're faster than me. And you know who you are.

Xander

@TildalWave I removed that one. So, you can be mad at me now too.

TildalWave

21:34

nobody even starred that, but it's pinned?

@Xander neah, you're lovely :)

I'd drink beer with you

Henry WH Hack

Hackers will always be hackers hackers will always hack!

Xander

@TildalWave And I with you. :-) Seriously, brush off the crap that makes you mad, and enjoy the company that doesn't.

Rоry McCune

who the flip is ruining my scurrilous pin-wall stories

AviD

hmm. @RоryMcCune now I'm starting to think you're right ;-)

Mark Buffalo

@Xander I got a warning of the OPM breach back in 2011/2012

Rоry McCune

21:35

it's almost like people think those pins have a reason apart from my amusement ...

Ohnana

@RоryMcCune how rude

Henry WH Hack

Am I ignored

MickLH

Yes. Unanimously.

Rоry McCune

@AviD time will tell I'm sure, I'd message the likely author but he's not on FB any more and I wouldn't want to be so gauche as to suggest it in room without more evidence

Iszi

@terdon Speaking of security arcana, someone tell me why we still have sites vulnerable to the likes of FireSheep?

AviD

21:37

@RоryMcCune ahh gotcha. yathink? I wouldnt have credited him such annoyingness.

TildalWave

@Xander yeah I know... that's how it actually started, wanting to do exactly that

Mark Buffalo

@Iszi a lot of devs don't know anything about security

Rоry McCune

@Iszi <securitycynic> we've not had an incident where a high-level member has had their session stolen yet </securitycynic>

Mark Buffalo

so updating stuff isn't gonna happen

AviD

that said, I dont think thats the most annoying user in this room right now.

Rоry McCune

21:37

@AviD well he likes playing with stuff and experimenting

@Iszi get in a physical room with Jon skeet , nick his session token, post some terrible answers on SO and watch it get fixed :)

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Ohnana

@Iszi security is hard

AviD

@RоryMcCune wrong IP, though. But I'm sure he could get around that.

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune That's funny... but they'd all get upvoted anyway

Simon

@Adi Oh really? So I've got this PHP script that...

Rоry McCune

@AviD well he's used Tor before and knows about the problem, I could well be off-base but I can't think of many people who would actually bother to code a bot for this room

Mark Buffalo

21:39

@Simon Need help?

Henry WH Hack

How to block a nmap scan in my firewall?

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune cough

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo are you flippin kidding me

Xander

@HenryWHHack Hack back.

Ohnana

if i'm parsing this conversation right, are you taking responsibility for wreaking this havoc?

Xander

21:41

@Ohnana It would appear so.

Ohnana

really dude?!

really?!

TildalWave

@Almo if you wondered why you only got one star for that, it's because you said something as silly as that in a room full of pentesters

Mark Buffalo

No, that's not me... I can make bots like that, though.

If that was me, I wouldn't be ignoring it

Simon

OH NO DID I MISS SOME FLAGGING DRAMA?

NOOOOOOOOOO

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo phew

i thought i'd have to be angry at you

Mark Buffalo

21:42

My bots would be a lot more intelligent, though... and wouldn't annoy anyone

Simon

@MarkBuffalo Nah, I just wanted @Adi to be like "ew".

Rоry McCune

@Simon you missed like the flag-fest of all flag-fests, we had like 20 mods in here

Mark Buffalo

I make a lot of bots... it's one of my favorite coding past-times. Botting.

Henry WH Hack

I was blocked who blocked me?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Daaaaamn!

AviD

21:42

@RоryMcCune as opposed to our usual 18.

Mark Buffalo

Bots to play games, bots to chat, bots for IRC wars, bots to scrape the web, whatever

Rоry McCune

@Simon there were cooking mods and game dev mods and all sorts

MickLH

suspicious, two of the communities I have posted answers on

Mark Buffalo

But that bot is not mine.

Simon

@RоryMcCune Did the cooking mods ask if someone was salty?

AviD

21:44

@MickLH well, tbf you were part of the problem.

Rоry McCune

@Simon no but they were a bit cheesed off by all the flagging

AviD

@Simon no, but they were rather cheesy.

Simon

Makes sense.

AviD

@RоryMcCune damn ninjad bu the punmaster!

MickLH

@AviD you mean, I sacrificed myself as a martyr for the sake of all of our entertainment

AviD

21:44

@MickLH that's not how this works here.

thats not how any of this works.

TildalWave

@AviD you're part of the problem :P

MickLH

hmm, good point, but I counter with, "Yes it is?"

AviD

That is why some people think you're a troll.

TildalWave

want my full recognition, you're gonna have to go black :)

Xander

You hope? I can't accept a hope. I couldn't even accept a hope and a prayer. — shelvacu 1 min ago

AviD

21:45

@TildalWave are you... @kalina...?

TildalWave

@AviD neah, just teasing

AviD

@Xander pls, I've been living on a prayer.

@TildalWave Poe's law.

Simon

I've been living on a pact with the devil.

TildalWave

you're an OK mod, not the greatest one, but an OK one nonetheless :))

AviD

@TildalWave heh gee thanks

Simon

21:47

^ You know who impersonation.

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana Now I want to finish my bot that scrapes sex offender registries / court record

AviD

:27947585 if you are in fact not a bot, as you have been accused of, and not a troll, as seems evident, consider this a warning. Cut out the crap, or you'll be cut out.

Xander

@d1str0 if you are correct, then the answer to my question would be "no you're dumb". If you are sure, post it as an answer. — shelvacu 2 hours ago

Ha ha. This guy cracks me up.

Ohnana

@Xander sassy af

TildalWave

@AviD wait, you're saying I'll actually get what I wanted in the first place, but I can't have that here without all the benefits of a great customer service?

Henry WH Hack

21:49

@everyoneinthischatroom hey guys sorry about what happened!

TildalWave

you're gonna do my bags too, boy? :P

Henry WH Hack

what wrong with netstat -ano

Xander

@AviD I'm finding it harder and harder to believe it isn't a bot. The posting cadence isn't natural.

Simon

@AviD Dayum, you can actually be strict?

Woooooooow.

AviD

@Xander thats hardly uncommon in this room.

CodesInChaos

21:50

@TildalWave When did you lose your diamond? You had one on space.se, right?

AviD

@Simon pls, you know.

Simon

@CodesInChaos He stepped down to be able to tell people that they're morons.

AviD

@TildalWave wut?

Xander

@AviD Perhaps, but this rhythm is uncommon.

AviD

@Simon hey, you dont need to step down to do that.

@Simon you're a moron. See?

TildalWave

21:51

@CodesInChaos didn't "lose" it, it started to grow on me so I had it removed

Simon

flegged to da pls police

TildalWave

@AviD dayum drumroll

AviD

@Xander like I said, right now my meter is pointing at clueless newbie with lack of social cues. We'll see.

Xander

@AviD Ok.

Simon

@AviD I'm fairly sure that he's very young lad seeking attention.

Rоry McCune

21:52

THE FUTURE IS NOW! | HTC Vive Virtual Reality

►

^Vive review with much swearing

AviD

@Simon wat?? @Xander has a beard!

2

Simon

o pls

AviD

damn you guys are lucky that flag is not in here.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune ouch too squeaky

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave that's the irish for you

TildalWave

21:54

hahaha didn't realize

literally

I thought he's on... something

Xander

@AviD Ha ha

AviD

@HenryWHHack hmm yeah... Why dont you take a timeout and try again when you're sober.

TildalWave

@RоryMcCune yeah that's pretty good but what's the mouse pointer doing in the middle of the screen?

RodentVR?

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave dunno I guess that's how the controllers work...

Xander

@HenryWHHack What kind of dos? A ping of death? I hope it's the ping of death.

Mark Buffalo

21:57

Msdos?

AviD

@Xander shush you.

Xander

@AviD LOL, oh, ok. Spoil my fun then.

MickLH

@RоryMcCune This is generally how game controls work, but in this specific instance I think it's just that the game did not grab the mouse, ironically

AviD

how do you grab the mouse ironically?

like with your left hand?

MickLH

That's how I grab it normally

AviD

21:59

@MickLH no no, dont go and edit the grammar back in

Simon

@AviD He's not sober, he's literally 12 I bet.

AviD

@Simon and you would know, eh? ;-)

Mark Buffalo

You guys could just ignore him

MickLH

@AviD can't help it, I do a lot of lazy loading

Simon

@AviD Exactly.

Trust me on this.

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