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19:02
@DavidFreitag Now, it's 12p here. I usually go to lunch at 11, since I'm in at 7.
@JohnP Pfft, west coast
@DavidFreitag No.
@JohnP Close enough...
@DavidFreitag No. There is no close enough. West coast is a wasteland of idiocy and tree huggers. If it weren't for the fact that I have an uncle in Oregon, the entire seaboard could sink and it would be a vast improvement for the US. We could even admit Guam, PR and the VI as states and keep the same flag.
@JohnP Oh. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? :P
19:10
@kalina You forget, Borg also care about biological distinctions.
@Iszi Since when?
> "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." (Star Trek: First Contact)
Awww shit nerd fight. Gets popcorn
@Iszi That isn't caring about distinctions. Once they are borg, they don't care. They only care for the parts that are slightly different in a species, and once that species is assimilated, they are all borg. And any distinctions from then are "irrelevant".
@Iszi Distinction is a noun. Distinctiveness is an adverb. They can't be the same thing.
area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/82797/rc-scale-modeling - In case anyone does modeling (And not statistical)
@JohnP Distinctive: having or giving style or distinction - i.e.: If the Collective wishes to incorporate the distinctiveness of others into itself, then it follows that they also wish to assimilate their distinctions.
@Iszi Biological distinction - Determination of sex/gender. Distinctiveness - That which makes a species unique.
They may care about biological distinctiveness, but they don't care about biological distinctions. They are two separate items.
@JohnP The grammar debate completely misses the point regardless. @kalina said the Borg won't assimilate her because she offers no biological or technological improvements. But the mission statement says nothing about improvements - only distinctiveness.
@Iszi I'm not debating that. I am simply debating the statement "You forget, Borg also care about biological distinctions."
#boring
@Iszi Shifting the basis of the argument is primae facie evidence you have lost the original argument.
19:31
If we're arguing semantics
4 hours ago, by Iszi
@kalina You are irrelevant. Prepare to be assimilated.
technically he said I was irrelevant
@JohnP The statement's purpose was to point out that @kalina would be assimilated - not to clearly define all the requirements for one to be a target of assimilation.
thus the entire argument about distinctiveness is completely irrelevant...
way to make loads of noise about the wrong thing
are you guys in politics?
@kalina And yet that's the argument you brought up to contradict the statement.
misdirection
19:33
@kalina #borging
from some airport in Germany ...
@Iszi you have 15.9k rep in Infosec, you'd think you'd be a little more precise then. Words are the origin of thought, without words, there is no thought.
oh oh he pulled the rep card
can someone explain why they'd have parking spots reserved for women?
@kalina I bet they are going to get the tape measure next
19:33
@TildalWave #equality
Back to my original statement then. In fact, it is irrelevance which can make you even more likely to be assimilated. Among a large enough group, the Borg don't care about you - they just care to assimilate everyone.
@kalina really? how so?
oh here comes the "by irrelevant I actually meant relevant" counter
@TildalWave #sarcasm
@TildalWave #irony
19:34
@JohnP Contrawise, the exact opposite is true - thoughts are the origin of words.
@kalina gotcha
sarcasm works too
plus cynical
lets use all three
Cynical sarcastic irony? Go for it.
I'm actually curious if there's any proper legit reason that isn't completely sexist
is it still cynicism if it actually plays out in reality?
19:35
@TildalWave Babies are heavy?
is that not being a realist?
@DavidFreitag it doesn't say they're for mothers, it says they're for women
@TildalWave You don't have to be a mother to steal a baby. Come to think of it you don't need to be a woman either...
@Iszi How can a thought be the origin of words, if words are needed for thought? Chicken/egg?
@DavidFreitag ...
19:36
@TildalWave Here's an interesting thought: What portion of the female population, at any given time, is either (A) Pregnant OR (B) Primary caregiver/guardian of a non-adult?
@Iszi the spot should say parent/disabled
@Iszi Why non adult? My mom cared for my grandma towards the end of life cycle.
gender is irrelevant in the discussion
@JohnP Extreme adulthood is really just second childhood.
@JohnP Adults are proportionally more likely to be self-mobile and not require a tether.
19:38
@Iszi That sign was from Germany, only Americans put their kids on leashes.
@Iszi So...that's why we have Silver alerts?
@kalina Disability is entirely gender-agnostic, and there's already special accommodations made for that.
@Iszi no idea, but it wouldn't be a huge percentage
@Iszi Or caregivers that can give them the proper medications at the proper time, ensure they bathe, etc?
nurdz are arguing In The DMZ?
I didn't miss a thing.
19:39
@Iszi so is being a parent...
@Simon You missed popcorn.
@Simon Yep. And so far iszi is 0 and 2.
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@JohnP Also, the majority of adults requiring a caregiver are also disabled. See earlier note about already being given special accommodations.
@JohnP Dayum, he got rekt.
oszi u suk
I like this new guy.
19:39
@kalina We're discussing parking. Most places don't have special paring for parents or expectant mothers.
@DavidFreitag 5/10
@kalina Hey, better than @Simon.
:'(
@Iszi No. They aren't. The number of Alzheimers and similar far outweigh disabled.
@Iszi the sign says women parking. It should say parent/disabled or just parent. Yes places do have parking spots just for parents. These are a thing that exist. Why are you still arguing this fail point?
who decided to split it based on parent/expecting?
19:40
@kalina Dayum. Iszi getn rekt all over. 0 for 3.
@kalina I wasn't arguing. I was just curious of the proportion.
are you trying to avoid the actual argument while remaining as close to the topic as possible?
@kalina I said something about stealing babies, and they took it running.
I mean srsface
@DavidFreitag A winner is you
@kalina I'll repeat, it doesn't say it's parking spots for parents of mothers, it says it's for women
19:41
@kalina Nah. Avoiding the argument would involve a bunny and a pancake or something like that.
@TildalWave what, re-read what I said
@TildalWave And my query about the proportion of women who are parents of minors or pregnant was completely tangential.
@kalina sorry, meant to reply to @Iszi ...
@kalina re-read? Doesn't that imply that he read it in the first place? :P
19:42
WAIT, was the argument genuinely about Start Trek?
@TildalWave -.-
@Simon Yup.
@Simon lol
@DavidFreitag This is a nurd overflow.
@Simon Tangentially, yes.
19:42
@Simon That's so five minutes ago.
@TildalWave I suppose it would make sense to have "Frauenparkplätze" with half-sized places so that women can park their Smart.
BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP NURD OVERFLOW
@Simon Yeah, and @Iszi is still arguing because he just can't win.
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TRYING TO WRITE MEMORY ON THE OTHER NURD
BEEP BOOP
I mean, if you want sexism, don't stop mid-flight. Go to the whole thing.
19:43
@Simon So says someone that has an avatar of an early interactive game.
@JohnP I've never even held one :(
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@ThomasPornin heh you'd be surprised how many men drive Smarts et al.
(in Europe)
@Simon Really? Wow
@Simon Gawd, I've had almost all of them at one point, starting with Pong.
@ThomasPornin because men need a full-sized place to park a Smart?
19:43
@TildalWave In Europe, people are lame.
@TildalWave You would be surprised how many guys in America drive Smart cars
@whoever star'd that, I did hold a dick at one point.
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@TildalWave The first (and only) time I was in a Smart, the driver was also the male owner of the machine.
@Simon Merlin was better. It was the betamax to Simon's VHS.
@JohnP betawat
19:44
@Simon about average lameness, a bit less since you were born :P
@TildalWave Sorry, I totally forgot to say that the Dutch aren't lame, same goes for the Brits and I guess the Scots too.
@Gilles Of course. A half-sized place is not enough to contain both the Smart and the driver's virility.
Oh wow and now 2 French lads are about to argue.
This will never end.
@Simon I give it 2 minutes top before one surrenders.
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@Simon French people don't argue. They create a conversation.
19:46
Anyway, let's just stop and all agree on this: I'm the dumbest donut in the room.
It is like fencing, with slightly less blood.
@Simon No, that distinction goes to iszi currently. (Hah! Distinction! I win!)
@ThomasPornin So, is it that a conversation always implies an argument or an argument is a form of conversation?
@Simon yes, of course
@JohnP It was a starbait and nobody decided to bite.
19:47
@DavidFreitag 6/10
@DavidFreitag Yes and I always ask them if they're top or bottom.
@Simon A conversation is, by definition, non-boring, so of course it must include some sort of argument.
(I don't expect many people to understand this one)
@Simon FTFY
mod abuse
19:48
and please keep it at least semi-civil ok?
#notcool
@ThomasPornin Sharing your knowledge with a lad who's being receptive is a boring conversation?
@TildalWave Who isn't being civil?
@kalina Eh?
@Simon Top or bottom has interesting connotations.
@DavidFreitag you have one guess
19:49
@DavidFreitag the thing with the stuff
@kalina in the place with the people.
@JohnP Yes and it's always the most extreme one with me.
@kalina I hope your plan was to confuse me, because I am successfully confuzzled.
@DavidFreitag but what about the cake?!
@kalina It... is a lie.
19:50
@DavidFreitag no it's not
@kalina Wait - there's cake?
@DavidFreitag Here's the deal. We're waiting for the French to surrender to each other, iszi can't argue his way out of a paper bag, simon is treading flagbait, and kalina wins the intertubes for the day.
@DavidFreitag I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart, and killed me.
@Simon you guess????
@DavidFreitag Vanilla with pumpkin filling. (At least that's what I had, co-workers birthday).
19:51
@RоryMcCune :D
@kalina If I weren't useless I'd glue it back together.
@DavidFreitag Now, these points of data make a beautiful line.
Because that would totally work.
@RоryMcCune Well, they do come in second to the Irish. Maybe third behind the Danes.
dovid, you're not supposed to break da ladies' hearts.
You're supposed to replace them with a donut.
@kalina There's nothing better than a decent set of data, if you know what I'm sayin.
@TildalWave OH I HATE HIM SO DAMN MUCH.
@JohnP ... no
lololol
19:53
look at the Top 10 in Sec.SE there's 2 scots and no irish (AFAIK)
@RоryMcCune Ok, ok. So you're ahead of the Danes. Congratulations.
@ThomasPornin YOU APPROVED IT?
@TildalWave Wooooow @ThomasPornin and @kalina voted to approve that? Waaaaaauw
@kalina AND YOU TOO?
@JohnP and the irish :) we have better mountains than they do
19:54
I don't see your issue
come at me bro
@kalina Where's the improvement?
Please tell me.
This user keeps doing that.
@kalina That's exactly what you would be expecting.
I'm not sure if that's a serious question or not
He has been suspended twice I believe for making dumb edits.
@Simon "i" for an "I" :)
19:55
@RоryMcCune Mmm...no. Because Irish.
@TildalWave Oh lawd.
@JohnP phhhbt we have better whisky than they do too
@Simon pls, I have more rep than you, learn from my experience
:D
@RоryMcCune You have to, to drown your sorrows that you're not Irish.
Experience my ween.
19:56
gotta say I'm with @Simon here on that edit "and client 2 has not the possibility of communication with client 1 at all."
no pls
is not a proper sentence
@RоryMcCune Scotsmen are just failed Irishmen. Can't even run their own country. :p
@Simon Is that like a hemipeen? So, what, are you like a lizard, or something?
@RоryMcCune are you certain?
19:56
@kalina "has not the possibility of communication"
could be super posh
Or super wrong
I mean I'd put a got in there somewhere
I have not the possibility to not go home.
Either or I suppose.
19:57
I mean @ThomasPornin might get a by, english isn't his first language after all :op
Overall for characters changed, missing 3 is not a big deal
babai lads
@LlamadelRey LOL
@RоryMcCune Ok, one last one : "Has not the possibility of communication"...what is he, Scottish?
@JohnP ...
19:58
@Simon Yes, it is incorrect but still an improvement over the previous version. Feel free to fix it further.
@JohnP Oh man, you are pissing off the people who make your scotch... Not a great plan.
@JohnP nope then it would be "he's got hee haw chance of bletherin' with that numpty"
@ThomasPornin this so much
at least somebody here is sensible
@JohnP Son, you better be one hell of a kick ass ninja because you're gonna have to fight the whole The DMZ if this keeps going.
@kalina I thought with edits you had the option of improving rather than just approving?
19:59
@kalina I'm gonna kick yo ass.
@RоryMcCune rekt
@RоryMcCune I don't even understand what he's asking
yeah yeah
@kalina but you presumably understand that that last sentence sucked
oh suddenly @M'vy appears to get a "yeah yeah" in out of nowhere
@ThomasPornin Ok, I'll be the one to say it: I don't see you getting off your throne.
19:59
@RоryMcCune I'm still not personally convinced
@kalina tout à fait :)
@M'vy blabla
@kalina Rly? ok ... pshaw youngsters today :op
if you want to stick a got in there go and do it
it's alright pointing at problems but if you're not willing to do anything about them yourself...
@DavidFreitag I also feel free to fix the edit. I just chose not to (because I'm free).
20:02
don't go making problems for those that do provide the edits if you're not willing to do anything about it yourself
@RоryMcCune Type that sentence into MS word and see if you get a green squiggly. If you do it's not right.
BOOM.
@DavidFreitag Oh yeah, trust Microsoft.
@DavidFreitag I'm unsure if this is serious or not
@kalina If you have to ask..
fine I'll go sit in a corner while the grown ups talk
20:04
I probably could have included a ":P" to get my point across, but I couldn't be bothered to go near the shift key.
@kalina What would grownups be doing in the DMZ?
who knows
@TildalWave Editing the profanity out of the starwall?
@JohnP yeah I mean they've only been making the most popular word processor on the planet for 25'ish years :op
@DavidFreitag hehehe
20:05
@RоryMcCune popular doesn't mean correct.
@RоryMcCune notepad?
@JohnP actually it is coming to mean that, as MS roll out corrections and the vast majority of people just accept the programs suggestions, they become the defacto correct answers
@TildalWave phhbt , MS Word is the worst word processor on the planet , apart from all the other word processors that anyone else tries to make
@RоryMcCune I still don't understand why it needs to "process my words" all I want to do is put letters on a page to print them.
@RоryMcCune Unfortunately. And to the despair of grammarians everywhere :)
@JohnP Grammarians? Is that like a militarized version of imgurians?
20:07
@DavidFreitag no layout corrections, no spelling suggestions just straight text on a page, use notepad :) anything more complex, use a word processor.
1 min ago, by Rоry McCune
@TildalWave phhbt , MS Word is the worst word processor on the planet , apart from all the other word processors that anyone else tries to make
I can't believe you're talking about Microsoft Word
@RоryMcCune Actually Sublime Text does all of those things.
I've been writing reports in Word for 20 years, and I am well aware it ain't perfect, but seriously, show me a better product
@kalina This is all my fault. I feel terrible.
@DavidFreitag ever tried embedding a screenshot in sublime?
20:08
@DavidFreitag big sigh
allahu ackbar
boom
wow, the line
where is it
OHMYGOD
@RоryMcCune See this is what you get for wasting space in a report with images.
@LucasKauffman sorry I should have realised that MS Word would be a "Trigger word" for Big-4 people
time for coffee
20:09
@RоryMcCune yea and excel for big data you know
@DavidFreitag actually I'm a great fan of screenshots in reports, really make things clearer than they would otherwise be
@DavidFreitag MS Sceen clipping option FTW I love it
@RоryMcCune MS fanboi
@DavidFreitag I've used the other alternatives have you ever tried writing a complex report in OpenOffice?
I have
it was not fun
@RоryMcCune I use google docs.
Have not had to write a complex report.
@RоryMcCune do you think Microsoft Word is fun?
20:11
@kalina it's better than the alternatives :)
@DavidFreitag I write one a week
@RоryMcCune Sorta like Democracy?
@Iszi exactly
@RоryMcCune so it would be fair to say that in your opinion Microsoft Word is the most fun word processor available?
@kalina sure where the scale for fun is 1-100 and word processors max out at 0.1 word is a solid 0.1
maybe 0.09 on a bad day
Burpp
anyone coming to Brucon btw?
I'll be standing behind the bar from 2 until 4
:O
Hi @ColinCassidy
how are you?
@LucasKauffman drinking or serving (or both?)
@RоryMcCune both of course
one for you, one for me
20:37
hello all
NII NIII NII
@ThomasPornin @Gilles @M'vy Did you lads ever hear Petit Poney? youtube.com/watch?v=xX0gtbLwbE8
@Simon That's canadian french?
@RоryMcCune He looks unhappy. Must be Scottish.
20:44
@Simon mon petit poney :))
@LucasKauffman Da Frenchies from France tend to lose their accent when they sing but yes I believe so.
@JohnP really, you want to go for a anti-Scots vibe.... hey @RoryAlsop we have ourselves an anti-scot!
petit poneyyyyyyyyyy petit poneyyyyyyyy
@RоryMcCune How do you know I'm secretly not just anti RoryMcCune?
20:48
@JohnP entirely possible, but so far you've gone for a more generic Anti-Scottish Position , so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt
@Simon looks right to me
@Simon think so
I have no idea what the sequence is for an SSH server but it does look right to me that it would show you its public key and not its private.
@Simon Yeah exposing the private key is a nono
@RоryMcCune Nah, I can't be totally anti Scottish, as I've got a lot of Scots heritage. I have to narrow my focus somewhere :)
20:50
@RоryMcCune for some reason when scraping the site your name is f*** up:
@R\u043eryMcCune
@LucasKauffman The "o" is a unicode.
Yep.
@LucasKauffman yeah that's my anti ambiguous Rory'ing filter
@LucasKauffman think of it this way, it's a handy test case for your unicode handling skills :)
@LucasKauffman how is cobol with Unicode these days?
lul
20:52
@RоryMcCune Probably has something to do with why his name is in italics?
@Simon Yes.
@ThomasPornin Thank you.
In the same sense as previously: it improves things.
oh good deity, are we still arguing about post edits and readability?
@ThomasPornin pls, this one actually corrects the answer while the previous one didn't.
20:53
Technically, the server does not prove its identity by showing its public key, but by showing its public key and using its private key (to compute a signature).
But the server never shows its private key, only its public key, so fixing the "show the private key" into "show the public key" is a marked improvement.
@Simon the revised sentence is less wrong, but still not quite right: the public key is shown, but not to prove the server's identity. The private key is used to prove the server's identity, but it isn't shown.
I edited.
@JohnP We gods do not argue. We say. Puny unbelievers may disagree and pretend that they can argue with gods.
@Gilles Perfect, cheers.
@ThomasPornin wouldn't unbelievers consider arguing with gods to be impossible?
@Gilles They logically should. But it never stopped any of them from trying to argue.
20:57
@ThomasPornin I never argue with people that have the potential to erase my existence. :)
@JohnP You never argue with Vladimir Putin ?
That's probably wise.
@ThomasPornin Nope. Of course, the opportunity is almost nil, but that's beside the point.
besides?

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