The DMZ

David Freitag

00:02

@Simon what do you think?

amazon.com/Rosewill-R-HAP-01-Electric-Dispenser-Boiler/dp/…

David Freitag

00:21

@Ohnana davidstea.com/us_en/honeycrisp-apple-15

Simon

00:45

@DavidFreitag Looks perfect to me.

David Freitag

@Simon amazon.com/Double-Glass-Thermal-Infuser-Tisano/dp/B009VMWKQ0/…

Simon

@DavidFreitag Now you're getting super fancy.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidFreitag or a social network for IT professionals.

David Freitag

@Simon Hells yea with some borosillicate glass.

Simon

lulz

David Freitag

00:57

Good lord the David's tea site is such crap

Simon

Yes it is. I couldn't activate my email for about 6 months.

David Freitag

imgur.com/gallery/nlvBVNN

David Freitag

02:22

@Undo Good luck on the whole business thing :D

Undo

@DavidFreitag Heh, thanks :)

It's more just a formalizing of what I'm already doing

David Freitag

Well, sure, but it's still nice to be able to say, "Yeah, I own my own company, but it's not a big deal or anything."

JohnP

@DavidFreitag I own my own company. It's not a big deal, at least not until I at least get the website finished :p

@DavidFreitag What are the opinions of teavana?

JohnP

02:42

Oh hell no. Don't ever touch a black man's radio!

David Freitag

@JohnP no idea it's sitting in my cart burning a hole in my wallet

@JohnP LOL

David Freitag

02:55

Man I forgot how hysterical Drawn Together is.

JohnP

03:07

Hrm. #12 on things you never thought you'd say "Dude. Keep crawling like that and you're going to get rug burn on your junk."

M'vy

07:08

Morning

Nuke from Orbit : security.stackexchange.com/questions/100842/…

Rory Alsop

Morning. Thanks

M'vy

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Q: BadAndroid sh Script

As most of you guys heard of badusb: https://srlabs.de/badusb the SRLABS Released A PoC that spoof ethernet network with android on computers. Similarly, Like Kali Nethunter Bad USB :) but an script that should work on all android devices. I wanted to ask that can we do this for HID attacks ? I m...

android

^ close as unclear?

Or is this really a thing that should be salvaged?

Cause looks like to me it's mixing network and hardware altogether, but maybe that's the point?

Rory Alsop

07:43

I think he is asking for someone to write an attack script. Off topic.

It is a valid attack vector, but it's not up to us to write the script for him

M'vy

ok

It's kinda quiet here

Rоry McCune

morning all

M'vy

Hey @RоryMcCune

kalina

salut

M'vy

Bonjour @kalina

Rоry McCune

07:49

@kalina @M'vy Mornin'

kalina

@M'vy sorry, I'm just trying to get out of the habit of being here constantly again

one should not be checking the status of chat during performances and all

Rоry McCune

@kalina why would you want to do that ?

that sounds like a bad idea

kalina

@RоryMcCune well ultimately that's the end game isn't it

not being here, I mean

Rоry McCune

@kalina it is?

kalina

while I'm here I start thinking of crazy things like spending time editing posts

Rоry McCune

07:51

@kalina crazy talk, this is just a chat room which kind of has a QA site near it

M'vy

Well, this I mostly see it as a chat room with people that share common grounds with me

Rоry McCune

M'vy

Neat

kalina

@RоryMcCune meh

just don't be shocked if I randomly disappear again some time soon

it's definitely coming

eventually

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah yah know no harm in hanging round here really

@M'vy it's pretty here this morning

M'vy

07:54

17 hours ago, by M'vy

I guess we'll have to adapt or die.

kalina

@M'vy indeed

M'vy

@RоryMcCune and by "here" you mean some Scottish place?

Rоry McCune

@M'vy yarr Lochgoilhead Scottish West Highlands

M'vy

@kalina I just can't picture on-topic conversation right yet. so it might be painful adaptation though.

kalina

08:10

I'm sure you'll manage

Rory Alsop

@kalina :-(

kalina

I can't even give you a heads up without getting sad faces, would you prefer me to not announce my intentions?

Rоry McCune

@kalina the idea is that you hang around, thus avoiding the sad faces :)

kalina

I can't do that

it's also completely unnecessary

what a waste of RAM/electricity/PC being on/whatever

Rоry McCune

@kalina pourquoui ?

@kalina well isn't everything really </nihilist>

anyway think of all the useful info you can get here.

@M'vy can help you with your French lessons

kalina

08:16

when have I ever gained any "useful info" from this room

Rоry McCune

@kalina I'm sure it must've happened, law of averages and all that

Journeyman Geek

@kalina: that script that logs you out of everything.

kalina

@RоryMcCune pls, you're the one who misspelt pourquoi

@JourneymanGeek that wasn't useful

Journeyman Geek

Sure it was

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah yeah extra u

kalina

08:17

negative

Journeyman Geek

and I'm sure you got lots of amusement out of it

kalina

look, I expected the rories to take issue to be vanishing for a few months but I didn't expect you to join in, what with you not liking me

Journeyman Geek

@RоryMcCune If I end up in the UK again, I'd probably need to find an excuse to drop by that part of the island ;p

kalina

so I shall address the rories for the entirety of this conversation

which just finished because I'm going to go and news

M'vy

@kalina guess that's why he referred to me

Rоry McCune

08:18

well I could hardly help with French lessons

given that I got as far as "Ou Est La Gare" or thereabouts at school

@JourneymanGeek oh yeah if you're in the UK you have to come up to Scotland!

Journeyman Geek

I did that the last time I was there

I have a friend up around elgin

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek we almost ended up living out that way..

s'nice up there

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune - my French is not much further than Je suis une sucre chat, and some assorted scurrilous comments

Journeyman Geek

It is

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune nice view this morning

Rоry McCune

08:22

@RoryAlsop yarr lovely here today 7C and Clear

Rory Alsop

@kalina I'd respectfully suggest that more folks like you in here than you think. (Insofar as you can know or like someone on the internet)

Definitely autumnal over here as well. Getting to my favourite time of year

Arperum

@kalina I like you being here too.

kalina

@RoryAlsop I'd respectfully laugh at extreme lengths, pointing out that you're getting much better at deadpan, wiping the tears from my eyes and then getting back to newsing

Rоry McCune

@kalina phhhhhhhhhhbt :op

Rory Alsop

:-/

Arperum

08:27

@RoryAlsop For me personally: I take how someone acts on the internet at face value and decide if I like that persona or not. I don't care if that's how they really are or not.

Rory Alsop

Pretty much my view - as in real life I assume most folks have positive intent, but I modify that based on what I see

Rоry McCune

yeah start with an assumption of positive intent is the way to go, but learn to spot the danger signs of dickheads

Rory Alsop

Yup

M'vy

@RoryAlsop Autumn. Meh. Pretty landscape. Sad feelings. I prefer winter from far.

Rory Alsop

08:43

Winter in Scotland can be beautiful, but also can be incredibly dreich. Autumn, for me, has better storms, higher winds, bright colours - all stuff I like

M'vy

Well, as far as I am concerned, it's still a #2.

kalina

Fortunately I'm going to spend a lot of the colder seasons on the other side of the planet

while autumn looks pretty, wearing 5 layers of clothing is not fun

Rоry McCune

@kalina Off to Oz again?

kalina

off to various places

Rоry McCune

@kalina tour of asia? you could drop in on @TerryChia :op

kalina

08:48

why would I do that

Rоry McCune

@kalina amusment?

kalina

I wouldn't find it very amusing

M'vy

@kalina achievement ?

kalina

meeting somebody is hardly an achievement

Rоry McCune

@kalina you could go for the record of number of DMZ participants met without them knowing who you are

kalina

08:49

otherwise that is an achievement I have earned literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of times by this point

M'vy

Well I did not say it was a big achievement.

kalina

@RоryMcCune the fun side of the country this time, plus lord of the rings land

Arperum

@RоryMcCune "Hi there, You don't know me, nor you ever will. But now I've met you. Goodbye." sets other person on fire

Rоry McCune

@Arperum see that would be epic

@kalina Nice hope you get good flights, I've done the flight to Oz in Cattle class it wasn't a lot of fun..

kalina

I'm not flying coach but I'm small enough that I wouldn't experience those issues if I did

business class all the things

Rоry McCune

08:53

@kalina nice

Rory Alsop

Still not made it to NZ - really want to, as it appears to be very like Scotland, but with bigger mountains :-)

kalina

and warmer

saying that it's a massive 10 degrees in NZ atm with rain

might as well stay in bed

M'vy

@kalina The Gig requirements list includes a minimal temperature item ?

Rоry McCune

Rider - Must be over 20C or you burn enough people to get it up to that level

M'vy

09:10

@RоryMcCune ah yeah, the so called bonefire.

kalina

@M'vy no but that's a really good idea

generally though regardless of how miserable it is outside, when you have a thousand people smashed off their faces on drugs dancing in a confined space you still need aircon

M'vy

I guess that's true indeed

kalina

unless of course you're outside

in which case it's still miserable

nothing like having the field cleared by rain, leaving you in the position where you quit and look like an absolute diva or continue with a brave face and then escape back to the hotel ASAP to avoid hypothermia

M'vy

I guess I don't have this kind of problems

Since I usually avoid such places.

kalina

I try to avoid turning down job offers unless I'm already booked for something and it's logistically improbable

not really a reputation I want to earn, that one

M'vy

09:15

Yeah, I guess it not being my job helps avoiding it as I please too.

kalina

I prefer the alternative method of pricing yourself out of the market

Arperum

Rain is the worst at festivals. Most of the time anyway. Sometimes it's refreshing, but only if it's not too much.

kalina

which either leads to not getting booked or getting paid way more than usual

which brings me to new years

Arperum

@kalina You asked a ridiculous price and got booked for said price?

kalina

because I wasn't ridiculously high this year, I didn't squee at the offers presented to me and made sensible business choices

@Arperum four times

TheJulyPlot

09:17

Morning all!

M'vy

@TheJulyPlot heya

kalina

I am realistically making like 1/9th of my annual income over new years this year

Arperum

Holy shit.

That's pretty nice.

Going to be a busy day/night though if you have to be at four places.

Or did I misunderstand?

kalina

no busier than last year

Adi

-3

A: What role does cryptography play in anti-piracy?

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lo l lol lo ll lol

Excellent answer

kalina

09:20

plus I get to basically sleep all January since there are very few relevant nights during January that I would even be interested in playing at

Arperum

Are you increasing your normal asking price in reaction to this night or keeping it at roughly the same?

TheJulyPlot

@adi That answer hurts my brain as it plays out in my minds eye as many unique instances of a lol, rather than one continues laugh. :/

continuous*

Adi

@TheJulyPlot Very funny commentary. Lol lol lol lol

lol

lol.

TheJulyPlot

lol

kalina

@Arperum well it is increasing over time but it's a slow process

damn, I hate being wrong but I now have something that you guys almost certainly know more about than I do

what the actual fuck does this mean:

1> We can allocate a new /30 subnet. In this case you need to advise us how you would like to advertise the subnet on CPE with choices as below:

a) Advertising as a static route pointing towards the next-hop x.x.x.x

b) Configuring as secondary LAN range.

c) Configuring as separate LAN interface

2> Or if you require a consecutive IP block we can assign a new /29 and will claim the current /30.

TheJulyPlot

09:32

/30 subnet means that it has a subnet mask of 255.255.255.252

kalina

I get the CIDR bit, I mean the rest of the question

TheJulyPlot

defines the amount of networks you can get from a range and ten amount of hosts on each range

Static route is usually a connected route on a router, pointing towards a network in the routing table

kalina

since I already have the 4 IPs is this saying that in order to expand that to 8 I can either keep my existing 4 and get another unrelated non-consecutive block of 4 or lose all 4 and get 8 new ones?

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah pretty much that's what I'd read from it

kalina

and if so what are the three alphabet options

Rоry McCune

09:34

@kalina do you have a dedicated fw/router for this stuff?

kalina

yes

TheJulyPlot

if you use the /29

Rоry McCune

@kalina ah do they manage it or do you?

TheJulyPlot

then you can use the vlsm for /30

cant*

Rоry McCune

reason I ask is if they manage it, I'd just go with what they recommend (as I guess all you care about here is addressable IPs)

kalina

09:35

@RоryMcCune I asked for stuff, they gave it me, I don't speak to them unless I want more stuff

does that mean self managed?

I would assume so, I'm not paying any services fee

Rоry McCune

@kalina the way they're describing those options would imply to me that someone would need to modify the router/FW that you've got to accomodate the additional IPs

option 3) sounds like you get a separate interface to manage on the FW

kalina

"do you mean the pretty box with all the flashing lights in my basement" - obv you do

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah CPE is Customer Premises Equipment usually

Journeyman Geek

I think A is done per machine

kalina

right so if I don't care about reading this email any further, and don't mind all my IP addresses changing, I should just go with option 2

Rоry McCune

09:37

means the router in your premises

kalina

if I do care about losing my current IP addresses I should go with option 1

Rоry McCune

@kalina yeah that'd be easier if you're not bothered about the existing addresses

@kalina yeah

kalina

if I go with option 1, which of the three sub options should I go for and what are the implications of each

Rоry McCune

and then if you go for 1) get whoever manages your CPE to say which of the 3 options they prefer

kalina

ok

Rоry McCune

09:39

I'd guess they can all work , but depending on the device might be more/less difficult to configure

kalina

and if it turns out I manage them and they sent me a boiler plate email, I should just go for option 2

Rоry McCune

@kalina well 2) sounds like less hassle. they just give you a larger range of IPs

would still need to be configured on the router/FW mind

depending on how you have stuff setup

2) will likely also need some FW/router config, 'cause all your IPs will change

kalina

true but I'm 99% confident I've done that before

TheJulyPlot

I am pretty sure it will need a secondary interface regardless with option 2, even if it just a logical interface.

kalina

well, 95%

Rоry McCune

09:41

@kalina heh, depending on the device you use it can be relatively straightforward

some FW web GUIs are quite nice

kalina

is it likely that even if I choose option 1 we'll all need to set up our vpns again

Rоry McCune

@kalina ... ahh I was wondering why you'd need more IP address space

these days people usually just add more power to the web server if they need another site and use DNS based virtual hosting, but if it's VPNs I guess more addresses might be handy

kalina

well I need one so I can correctly set up a mail server with valid ptr

Rоry McCune

@kalina you're running your own mail server...

kalina

@RоryMcCune you do know that all of the mail providers in the world index your mail, right?

Rоry McCune

09:44

I thought that was a bit of a PITA these days with the aggressive spam management that the big corps do.

@kalina yah of course

Journeyman Geek

@kalina: I've done it before and typically doing it right is an epic pain in the arse.

kalina

@JourneymanGeek I found the hardest part about setting up mail was correctly configuring anti spam

Journeyman Geek

tho amusingly the one I set up (on a home box!) could send, but not recieve mail due to spam blacklists.... which made no sense.

M'vy

@kalina yeah. It's probably the best advantage of running gmail. They got so much emails they can spot SPAM like a led in the dark.

Rоry McCune

@kalina ya know by the way you don't need a distinct IP for a mail server .. I'm guessing you do but just in case :)

when I've run home services in the past I tend to just do port forwarding from a single IP into a DMZ

kalina

09:47

@RоryMcCune you can't talk about DMZs here, that's off topic

3

Rоry McCune

@kalina heh

Journeyman Geek

@RоryMcCune home services can't really be of any use any more. Any dynamic IP's blacklisted typically

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek true, but a single Static IP could do the job for most setups

Journeyman Geek

and eh. I think once the resume mk 2.5's ready tommorrow I'll set me up a ~~webserver~~ mail server.

Rоry McCune

our problem with running servers is not enough bandwidth

so instead got a dedicated server at SoYouStart

pretty cheap for what you get

Journeyman Geek

09:50

(I'm still wondering why the hell it looks more polished than when I was staring at it after chopping off big chunks of it half an hour after I lost my job ;p)

Rоry McCune

and you can install anything you like on it

Journeyman Geek

I got a cheapish dedi from online.net

8core 8gb avaton, 1gig of hard disk space. Most of my public stuff runs on a VM on it

Rоry McCune

@JourneymanGeek we've got a quad-core Xeon box with (IIRC) 32GB RAM

put Vsphere on it

then we run VMs on that

Journeyman Geek

@RоryMcCune: Oh, I figured I'd go one stop up first

Rоry McCune

costs about £35/month IIRC

Journeyman Geek

09:53

I think mine's about 20 euros

TildalWave

morning

well, 6 more minutes it is :)

kalina

4

M'vy

3 now

TildalWave

yeah we can discuss later half the day how wrong I was :P

kalina

2m 45s now

2m 15s now

M'vy

09:57

Well good morning then @TildalWave

kalina

now look what you've done, are you happy?

TildalWave

@M'vy thanks, to you too :)

M'vy

I guess it will be hard to go wrong in such a smal time span

TildalWave

@kalina looks like I'm lifting off in about 2 minutes

M'vy

Check list!

kalina

09:59

@TildalWave lifting off?

is that like getting out of bed

M'vy

10 - 9 - 8 - Ingition sequence start - 6 ...

TildalWave

the board is all green to commence with procrastination in T minus 10, 9, 8,...

kalina

sets fire to @M'vy

that's what I'm going to call this track I've been working on I think

M'vy

Burning! Burning!!

kalina

shouldn't take a week to finish a track

Rоry McCune

10:00

@kalina M'vy? that'll be a bit of a giveaway?

TildalWave

@kalina How do you pronounce @M'vy? I kinda pronounce it (mentally) like mmmm oui

kalina

@RоryMcCune pls, la définition de tergiverser

M'vy

@TildalWave Kinda like the military car without the aspirated h : "umvee"

kalina

obviously now I need to rework this into something progressive

let's make it 15 minutes long, some slow minimal house or something

changes the bassline

TildalWave

@M'vy I was close :)

kalina

10:03

@TildalWave M V

M'vy

@TildalWave Yeah, I heard worse :)

TildalWave

@M'vy really? like what?

M'vy

@kalina Yeah, that's good too

@TildalWave "my vee" and some other I can't even figure out how to write them on computer

TildalWave

> I've lived a life that's full
I've traveled each and every highway
But more, much more than this
I did it @M'vy

M'vy

@TildalWave the funny thing is that it's suppose to be "Yves" (which we pronounce like Eve in France). But, guess I got a nice nickname, courtesy of my cousin when he was 2-3 y.o.

@TildalWave ahah

kalina

10:08

how much do you reckon an aerion as2 is going to cost when they're released

Rоry McCune

@kalina that's a posh chair

but then if you spend a lot of time sitting in it, likely worth it

kalina

@RоryMcCune er, it's a supersonic business jet

Rоry McCune

@kalina oh I can't read

I thought that was aeron not aerion

kalina

no I obviously typo'd it

Rоry McCune

perils of having this window on the small screen

@kalina LOL thought my eyesight was worse than usual there

M'vy

10:11

Supersonic jet heh.

TildalWave

@kalina probably around 100 mill, SBJ was targeted for 80 mill

kalina

london to new york in 4 hours sounds appealing

Rоry McCune

makes aeron chairs look positively reasonable!

M'vy

Shame they discontinued the concorde

kalina

can we skip supersonic jets and just skip straight to space planes

I'm pretty sure we can do london -> new york in less than four hours

TildalWave

10:14

@M'vy By the time they realized they can fly them subsonic above populated areas and go supersonic over the Atlantic, it was already an aged design that didn't make any money for those still using it. BA I think.

Journeyman Geek

@TildalWave: and its a remarkably inefficient plane other than speed

and pretty tiny

TildalWave

yup, but you have to consider it was designed in the 60's and flew since 70's

it was pretty impressive in that regard

Journeyman Geek

Oh, its more fuel consumption and size

You probably couldn't get that much better with modern tech, other than maybe materials, and not needing a drop nose

TildalWave

we could do much, much better today if it made economic sense

Journeyman Geek

and of course politics

TildalWave

10:22

Virgin Galactic is probably still dreaming of those kangaroo and similar routes

using suborbital spaceplanes

erm, that's an oxymoron, sorry about that :)

@JourneymanGeek if there's money in it, politics can be adjusted for a reasonable fee :)))

M'vy

@TildalWave it was a joint venture between France and UK wasn't it

Journeyman Geek

yup

I think the russkies had a concorde equivilent. Americans didn't manage one

TildalWave

yeah the tu-144

concorde came later

@JourneymanGeek americans managed several but not for commercial flight

Rory Alsop

Concorde may fly again...

kalina

it's just about reducing the time in the air tbh

M'vy

10:27

First codename F-WTSS, so close.

kalina

also, if you have fast enough travel, it means you can do super funky things

like perform in 8 different countries on one night, each set starting at midnight

Journeyman Geek

@RoryAlsop: I used to see the one in bristol when heading to london to come back to singapore

lovely machines.

TildalWave

@kalina you can do that from orbit right now ;)

M'vy

@TildalWave orbit is not really a country though.

Rory Alsop

Yeah, there is one up here with a good tour. Remember seeing them fly, but gutted I never got to travel in one. One of the Concorde pilots had promised he'd take me up to the cockpit at some point (not a euphemism)

TildalWave

10:29

@M'vy psst, you're ruining it! :))

M'vy

@TildalWave happy to oblige

kalina

I suppose that would be an excellent marketing gimmick though

dance music from space

"literally out of this world"

TildalWave

@kalina which is what the idea behind Sarah Brightman going to the ISS was

M'vy

@kalina you'd have no shortage of pretty view to show I guess

kalina

the idea of being confined in a metal box with no atmosphere outside it in an environment where literally anything going wrong will result in death is not my idea of fun

or even a good idea for me in general

Journeyman Geek

10:34

If you die, you'll never live to regret it

TildalWave

@kalina ah no, their farts are not lethal, even if in space

kalina

I am nervous and claustrophobic enough for it to just be a Bad Idea(tm)

M'vy

@kalina I know green frogs that would disagree ;)

TildalWave

so not everything that can go wrong will result in death :P

kalina

plus really, how do you even dance in zero gravity

and I'm not sure the entire experience is worth 34 mil

Rory Alsop

10:38

You get someone else to pay

I'd do it in a heartbeat

I think going to space is the one thing I want to do that I never will get the chance to

kalina

If I actually ever get to the point where I never need to look at my bank balance again and I've bought all the things and done all the things I want

then I may spend a large sum of money on a week of terror and claustrophobic panic

until that time I shall continue arguing extensively with myself over whether I should buy a tesla model d or wait until the next generation of electric cars

speaking of, Audi recently announced a new electric car

Rоry McCune

@kalina is that another typo or is there a new Tesla I've not heard of?

kalina

no that's tesla failing at marketing and giving a car with a model number of P95D a name of model s

all of the "model s" cars have a model number of <battery size>D

with the P indicating its the performance model

Rоry McCune

@kalina I thought the new Tesla Model X sounded interesting, then I saw the price

and got uninterested

kalina

I have no logical need for anything bigger than a hatchback tbh

I certainly wouldn't drive a SUV

Rоry McCune

10:46

@kalina out here it's quite useful

Rory Alsop

New Ford Focus rs looks OK

kalina

@RoryAlsop yes but the last focus had the weak alarm system and were easy to steal

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop ... that's not a Subaru :op

Rory Alsop

Aye - but power and handling at that price point...

Still a blue oval

kalina

if the new one doesn't suffer that fault I will likely get one just because it will be a cheap and cheerful car to stack loads of miles on for a year or two before replacing it

I did look at getting a scirocco

and then literally the moment I had that thought that's the only car I saw everybody else driving

they're always in white as well

probably because they look fugly in any othe rcolor

oh yeah, my nexus 7 broke

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