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Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
00:01
but I think we don'T allow all of them in
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@LucasKauffman discrimination FTW
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@AdamMcKissock These are the same people practicing eugenics on plants for how many centuries? What do you expect?
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AdamMcKissock they try to evade taxes in france by coming here, if that's their only motivation we're not letting them in since that would defy the basis of the EU
on the other hand if they want to invest a significant amount of money here, like LVMH, then we let em in
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@LucasKauffman So you only shun the poor ones?
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
but to be honnest 75% tax on the highest wages is really a bit over the top
Gilles
Gilles
00:05
@LucasKauffman proposed (it still hasn't been voted in)
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AdamMcKissock only the ones earning over 1 million euro a year that do not want to create jobs over here
Gilles
Gilles
we're getting all the right-wing propaganda and none of the left-wing action
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@Gilles What's Francois doing these days?
Gilles
Gilles
war in Mali
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
ah right
Gilles
Gilles
00:07
also, legalizing gay marriage
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
I think we supplied some helicopters and planes
read about that too, it surprised me france didnt have that already
Gilles
Gilles
the previous left-wing government had set up a marriage-in-all-but-name
this one is now calling it marriage
the French right is predominantly liberal, but pays lip service to conservatism
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@Gilles how is the war in Mali going actually, some are saying it will become a second afghanistan?
Gilles
Gilles
> Reply hazy, try again
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@LucasKauffman Wasnt Iraq the second Afghanistan?
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
00:27
@AdamMcKissock guess it wil be the third then
Tinned_Tuna
Tinned_Tuna
International intervention is almost always bad in the end. It usually results in the installation of a puppet :-(
Gilles
Gilles
but it sometimes makes a difference whose puppet
Tinned_Tuna
Tinned_Tuna
Wether or not they're a benevolent dictator or not...
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
01:03
0
Q: Encrypted message in a popular TV show?

Garrith GrahamSo I was watching a popular series tonight (Person Of Interest) when suddenly during a frame change I noticed a very quick blue screen with writing. At the time I never thought anything of it as it was to quick, it was embedded within a one second interval gap at 20:50 to 20:51. I tried using...

encryption cryptography encoding
I lolled
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@Tinned_Tuna If you want to talk about installing puppet then the Comms Room might be better. There are a few puppeteers in here, but more on-topic there.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
and another satisfied customer
time for me to hit the sack
nn!
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
01:20
Sweet dreams
TRiG
TRiG
01:54
So I recently returned to a website I'd last visited five years ago. The "forgot password" link e-mailed me out a plain-text copy of my password, which disturbed me a little, but when I logged in, I got this:
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I don't think I'm impressed, to be honest.
Iszi
Iszi
I'd be mildly concerned over the ambiguity of "highly secure way" but otherwise, yes. That's a good thing.
TRiG
TRiG
@Iszi Better than it was, but the "numbers, letters, and hyphens only" thing (actually, it also accepted spaces, but not slashes) was a little worrying.
Iszi
Iszi
@TRiG That means they're sanitizing input before hashing. Given a proper hashing method, I don't think that should be necessary.
TRiG
TRiG
@Iszi It also means my standard password-generation mnemonic doesn't work.
@Iszi Our own websites aren't quite as secure as they might be (salted sha1 hashes), but we don't restrict on characters. The only actual restriction is "must be at least 8 characters long", but we also use zxvbn.js to give strength hints.
Probably this is as good as necessary, but I'll read up on reimplementing in bcrypt fairly soonish. (I've got some free time to do general development work soon.)
I recall a good canonical "how should I store passwords" somewhere here.
Should probably rebuild the session management code while I'm at it ....
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
Why am I the only one that noticed the name of the site is "fitlads"?
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TRiG
TRiG
02:06
@AdamMcKissock What makes you think you're the only person?
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
It seems like something the kind of people that live in here would bring up
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock It's not exactly a quality online dating service. (Which may, perhaps, be one reason why I've not been there in five years.)
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
I could tell by the awful shade of red
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Tsk. UX SE is a different site.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
1. Different from what?
2. Different how?
TRiG
TRiG
02:20
@AdamMcKissock Just saying that this is sec SE, not UX SE. So the red is Off Topic. :D
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG Meh, I know what I likes.
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock And I likes fit lads. ;)
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
I guessed
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
This is weird.... even for this room.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TerryChia Why?
TRiG
TRiG
02:26
@TerryChia You don't spend much time in EL&U chat, do you?
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
Do I want to know what that is?
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock English Language & Usage. Excellent site. Very high quality. And the main chat room is constantly off topic and frequently filthy. Wonderful.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG Ahh, thats not nearly as kinky as I was hoping for....
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Sorry to disappoint.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
:(
TRiG
TRiG
02:34
in English Language & Usage, Jan 18 at 19:58, by RegDwighт
So yeah, I was searching for donut-shaped dinosaurs but found your gay porn. That was like unexpected.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
your gay porn?
Iszi
Iszi
@TRiG I've had some DAFUQ moments in here. That's pretty close to topping them.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
specifically?
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Apparently so.
in English Language & Usage, Jan 18 at 19:47, by RegDwighт
Oh no, not the gay-porn TRiG!
It was news to me, too.
Iszi
Iszi
@AdamMcKissock Just take a look through the starred posts in here. Check out the sidebar at any given time. Interesting stuff.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
02:36
Sounds like somewhere that my exceptionally warped brain might feel at home
Iszi
Iszi
@AdamMcKissock Reminds me of this: bash.org/?334331
Holy crap. When did Sheldon become The Dread Pirate Roberts?
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@Iszi Who stores porn on un-encrypted volumes these days!
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TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Me. shrug
in English Language & Usage, Jan 30 at 22:31, by TRiG
@tchrist I still prefer the GIF of him taking his clothes off ....
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG The only porn that I actually store (as opposed to just googling), is porn that involves people I know/have met/have /insert whatever here/'d, and I value people's(and my) privacy.
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Where would we be without Google?
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
02:41
@TRiG Indeed, although everyone has their favourite sites that are forever engrained in memory
Iszi
Iszi
@AdamMcKissock To sum up: The only porn you store (as opposed to Googling) is the porn you don't want showing up on Google?
TRiG
TRiG
@Iszi That actually makes sense, when you stop to think about it.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@Iszi Pretty much.
Iszi
Iszi
@TRiG I should hope so. That was sort-of the intent.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG Someone in here - making sense?! What do you think this is?!
TRiG
TRiG
02:45
Though the time I managed to derail a conversation in The Upper Room onto pictures of cute divers was perhaps my greatest achievement. (That's Christianity SE chat.)
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
"divers"?
TRiG
TRiG
in The Upper Room, Aug 18 '12 at 19:29, by TRiG
@El'endiaStarman If you want embedded GIFs, how about British Olympic Diver Tom Daley taking his clothes off?
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
Oh dear.
TRiG
TRiG
You've gotta admit that was an impressive derail. We were talking moral philosophy. And then ...
in The Upper Room, Aug 18 '12 at 19:30, by TRiG
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Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
I must admit
That isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be
TRiG
TRiG
02:50
@AdamMcKissock I can do worse.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
ponders whether to click that link
Ah, thats again not as bad as I was thinking
Iszi
Iszi
@TRiG Okay, I think it's generally not-good when someone reminds me of bash quotes as often as you have, now.
bash.org/?178890
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
Lol, I remember that one
TRiG
TRiG
That's one of the ones I have bookmarked.
@AdamMcKissock I try to avoid posting stuff that might actually get me banned.
(Even though I do have a liking for boobies.)
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG Thats the reason that I dont post porn, softcore isnt in my vocab.
Oh jesus
I just noticed that you two starred that encrypted drive comment...
TRiG
TRiG
03:02
@AdamMcKissock evil grin
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
@TRiG damn you!
3am? sighs
TRiG
TRiG
@AdamMcKissock Cool, we're in the same timezone.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
gmt
all the easier to stalk you in!
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
03:26
For all the W8 fans, this looks like a pretty awesome device. lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/thinkpad-helix @RoryM @AviD
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
03:39
@TerryChia If you think this place gets weird and uncomfortable you should hang out in The Comms Room. Go look at the star wall. Go on. Look at it.
@TerryChia According to the transcript there are currently 991 instances of the word "fisting".
@TerryChia Here's a quote that resulted from one of the recent times fisting was brought up.
in The Comms Room, Feb 6 at 20:54, by Cole
I'm like, LOOK YOU'RE MY LADY PUPPET.
Adam McKissock
Adam McKissock
How many times has "figging" come up?
SilentKiller
SilentKiller
04:17
morning morning
makerofthings7
makerofthings7
05:00
Obama's Executive Order - Improving Critical Infrastructure security: m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/02/12/…
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
05:31
A human is a system for converting dust billions of years ago into dust billions of years from now via a roundabout process which involves checking email a lot.
 
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Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
08:53
@rorym - print screen: superuser.com/a/144092/57828
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
09:29
insidehighered.com/news/2013/02/12/…
Hahaha what. Genius.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@TerryChia nicely done
Colin Cassidy
Colin Cassidy
10:25
@TerryChia And that's a behaviour that continues later on. As you work out what metrics you are being measured on you will game the system, in some cases to the detriment of the overall end result (not that I'm talking from bitter experience or anything...)
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@Terry Or in corporate speak - KPIs (Key Performance Indicators) generate behaviours that efficiently maximise KPI scores, at the expense of everything else
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
10:40
The teacher gave her fifth-grade class an assignment: Get their parents to tell them a story with a moral at the end of it.
The next day, the kids came back and, one by one, began to tell their stories. There were all the regular types of stuff: Spilled milk and pennies saved. But then the teacher realized, much to her dismay, that only Janie was left.
"Janie, do you have a story to share?"
“Yes ma'am. My daddy told me a story about my Mommy. She was a Marine pilot in Desert Storm, and her plane got hit. She had to bail out over enemy territory, and all she had was a flask of whiskey, a pis…
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Colin Cassidy
Colin Cassidy
@RoryAlsop As a real example, all our developed code is manually code reviewed before it can be delivered. Someone (manager) made it their goal to reduce first time code review failures, so rather than taking more care over their code developers would have their code unofficially code reviewed and fixed before the formal review submission
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ColinCassidy exactly
it happens everywhere
Colin Cassidy
Colin Cassidy
now don`t get me started on the idea that a code review failure is a "Bad Thing", in all cases the real problem is code that has been reviewed but still contains a bug. but that's a harder problem to solve so no one wants to tackle it :)
Said manager and metrics guru are no longer working for us :) So there was a happy end afterall
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
11:08
Have you guys seen Valve's employee's handbook? Pretty interesting stuff. media.steampowered.com/apps/valve/Valve_NewEmployeeHandbook.pdf
Colin Cassidy
Colin Cassidy
@TerryChia I'd hate to work there, it's too good a place to work and I'd have nothing to bitch about (scowl!)
I need something that feeds my cynicism
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@ColinCassidy You can always get on the internet to bitch about things. There is always something on the internet to bitch about.
Colin Cassidy
Colin Cassidy
@TerryChia Someone on the internet is wrong, I must correct them!!
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@ColinCassidy heh. where's the obligatory xkcd?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
11:34
What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
1
Q: Is physical tape backup better than disk to ensure integrity

jamWhen assessing tape backups vs online disc backups, which of them ensure better protection from integrity incidents. For example, if the system is compromised by attacker or virus or malware and I know the date when it happened, i can roll back data backup from tape before that incident and it ...

backup
@ScottPack I think you should throw in your stone tablet suggestion.
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
12:08
@AdamMcKissock Just the fig fruit.
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
12:35
QOTW seems pretty dead lately but:
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A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

Terry ChiaI propose: How practical/important is the Lucky Thirteen TLS attack? More attacks against the SSL/TLS protocol is always interesing. Our resident Bear could give it a nice write up if he has the time.

Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
12:52
@TerryChia I know - I'll need to do some write ups. (and @Thomas and @AviD - hint hint :-)
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@RoryAlsop Heh. I'll contribute some in about 2 weeks time. About to start my holidays soon.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
13:40
@RoryAlsop I am scheduled for a QOTW write-up ?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ThomasPornin I had thought you had volunteered to do this one:
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Oh, when I suggested a question for the question-of-the-week, I was actually volunteering for writing the blog post ?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
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A: Requests for Question of The Week blog posts

Thomas PorninI propose this question: How valuable is secrecy of an algorithm? because it tries to explore the limits of a well-known security slogan. Also, I am narcissic enough to enjoy reading my own answer.

Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
It was not obvious that it was a recruitment scheme.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
if not, no matter - I'll do a brief QoTW post about it
That question isn't - it was from a chat we had on here some time back - you, me, AviD
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
13:41
Wasn't the English Navy manned that way, back in the old days ?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ThomasPornin heh
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Ok, I'll write something
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@ThomasPornin Heh I hope not. Else i'm due for 4 blog post.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
maybe not before next week-end, though
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
Hey @RoryAlsop. Was wondering. If I write several post for QOTW, would it be alright to cross-post it on my own blog with links back to the sec.se blog? Would be nice to have more content on my new blog.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
13:48
@TerryChia definitely yes
We spoke with SE folks and they have no problem with it
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@RoryAlsop Alright cool. :) I'll work on a few once my holidays start.
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
14:10
Be careful with how you do it. Sometimes Google can get pissy if you end up cross-posting blogs like that.
I don't know the right way to do it.
There have been a couple of times where something I've written would have been not unreasonable to post both on ours as well as NubbyAdmin, since it was useful to both security and systems people in general.
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
14:44
> Google engineers are regularly credited in security updates, but this month's count is unusually high. (Google engineers reported a bug a month in October, November, and December, and none in January.) The total number of bugs Microsoft fixed this month is close to the all-time record of 64.
Iszi
Iszi
@RoryAlsop Sounds more or less like proper CC-BY-SA usage - isn't it?
 
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AviD
AviD
15:55
@RoryAlsop @TerryChia the SE folks actually pointed out that just copying the content as is, doesnt really bring value. They suggested to add some new content, referring to the original but not just a flat copy.
@Iszi I'm retconning the backronym for DAFUQ
> DAFUQ: Disturbing Anomalous Freakishly Unbelievable Quote
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think it works a lot better
Iszi
Iszi
Absolutely.
AviD
AviD
having @TRiG here made that clear.
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
@AviD That should be pinned.
AviD
AviD
heh
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
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AviD
AviD
16:04
@ThomasPornin BearShark
Adnan
Adnan
16:22
Does anybody know a free tool that allows me to add a password to a pdf file. One condition, the tool must not advertise itself in the document (watermark or metadata)
Terry Chia
Terry Chia
My parting note before I go to bed. This makes me ashamed to be a teenager.
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AviD
AviD
16:33
@TerryChia awww... ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-buzz/…
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
@TerryChia Being a teenager cures itself after a maximum of 7 years.
TRiG
TRiG
@AviD What have I done now?
AviD
AviD
@ThomasPornin I dunno, my daughter has been a teenager for about 7 years, and we've got 6 more to go.
kids start being teenagers younger and younger every year.
True story: the Hebrew vernacular for teenager translates roughly to: dumbteen.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
@AviD They are not twelve years old anymore, they turn tweenlve after eleven (or elevteen, maybe) ?
AviD
AviD
@ThomasPornin mine started from around 7 or 8.
CodesInChaos
CodesInChaos
16:44
What are these "Tee Nager" you keep talking about? Rodents eating tea?
AviD
AviD
@CodesInChaos Black people playing golf.
..... IIII'm sorry. that was probably too off color, even for here.
heh. off color.
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
17:17
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Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ScottPack I want one! Can Physics. SE have that as swag?
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@RoryAlsop I'm not entirely sure I'm the one you should be talking to about getting things from NASA.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ScottPack heh - I know. It was more of an untargeted want
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
Sounds like someone had too much rum.
CodesInChaos
CodesInChaos
17:31
@ScottPack I don't understand why they use x as multiplication sign
that's far too ugly
Iszi
Iszi
@ScottPack Classic.
@RoryAlsop They're widely available.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@CodesInChaos what is the alternative?
@Iszi at my local NASA outlet, right? :-)
Iszi
Iszi
Interesting. They're not quite as Google-able as I'd expected.
Funny. Use Google instead of Google Shopping and it pops right up. thespaceshop.com/itonrosc.html
@RoryAlsop Sorry, missed that - what'd you say?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
17:47
@Iszi It's okay - @AviD already pointed out that tattoo story was a prank
@Iszi cool!
Iszi
Iszi
Ah.
@RoryAlsop If you have troubles getting it shipped to your part of the world for some reason, let me know. I'm sure we can work something out.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
@RoryAlsop Usual alternatives for multiplication involve a dot sign at mid-height ('·'), a star sign ('*'), a multiplication sign which visually differs from an 'x' ('×'), or simply nothing at all ('') (concatenation is an operator in its own right, which does not make the grammar ambiguous as long as function names are distinguished from variable names).
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ThomasPornin ahh - I know on a computer I would use an asterisk, but in the maths I did a dot had various different meanings. It has been some time since I used serious maths in anger. (1992 was the last time I properly used Fourier Transforms for example)
CodesInChaos
CodesInChaos
A dot or nothing at all would be the most common choices here
I first read the x as a cross-product, but that didn't fit the formulas
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@CodesInChaos which means NASA is deliberately dumbing down the maths on the cup so that the undereducated can read it, at the expense of making it harder to read for mathematicians :-)
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
18:00
hello gentlemen
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@LucasKauffman evenin' squire
and cheerio - got to take kids to TKD and Parkour
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@RoryAlsop that means I need to take care of your horse
in your case that would be the subaru
please give me the keys :3
Iszi
Iszi
@LucasKauffman I don't like the insinuating tone you use when you say you need to take care of @RoryAlsop's horse.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@Iszi that's what squires do
Iszi
Iszi
@RoryAlsop I presume TKD = Tae Kwon Do. Parkour? They've got kids' leagues for that now, or something?
@RoryAlsop Shame on you...
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A: Surfing anynomously

Rory AlsopPlease check out these related questions already posted, could be some useful info there for you: Different strategies for online anonymity How much can I trust Tor

^ Should totally be a comment.
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
18:36
@RoryAlsop Did I just see that your kids are taking parkour classes?
Iszi
Iszi
18:52
@ScottPack That's what I just said.
AviD
AviD
19:07
@Iszi @Rory's kids? They're probably taking the advanced classes for adults.
Can you get a black belt in Parkour?
Iszi
Iszi
@AviD Oh, right. This is @RoryAlsop we're talking about - don't you mean classes for seniors?
AviD
AviD
@Iszi Seniors classes are even easier than kids classes.
Go ahead, LEAP onto that eggcarton!
my krav maga class is mostly old people, most older than me. He takes it pretty easy on us...
some are actually in really good shape, regardless of age. I am not one of those.
Iszi
Iszi
@AviD Wow. Never new there was a Jewish martial arts form.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
19:33
The only thing I don't like about krav maga is sometimes the amount of movements
put a kickboxer against someone doing krav maga and the kickboxer will probably win just because of the simplicity of movement
AviD
AviD
@LucasKauffman other way around.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD how so?
Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
I'm still having a hard time typing after my rock climbing session this morning
That's my contribution.
AviD
AviD
kickboxing is a lot more showy, wide angles. one of the core precepts of krav maga is economy of motion.
and, it's pretty adapative.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD not really
how is kickboxing showy
AviD
AviD
19:36
that is, it adapted some of the best of other arts, and simplified them.
@LucasKauffman the big, wide kicks, mostly.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Any martial art will be very effective by someone who practices it a lot
AviD
AviD
then again, most of what I know about kickboxing is from Van Damme.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Even bridge, to some extent
AviD
AviD
@ThomasPornin true that.
@ThomasPornin lol
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD wide kicks are almost never used unless you have a perfect moment, if you fail to land them you're going to get punished really hard
AviD
AviD
19:37
I KEEL YOU WITH MY CARDS!
Like Gambit, from the xmen.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
yea
vandamme is not really the example for real kickboxing
AviD
AviD
@Iszi more israeli than jewish, but yeah.
it seems to be popular in hollywood - they mention it on a few shows lately.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Bridge is recognized by IOC as an "olympic sport".
Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
@ThomasPornin I hope you mean like suspension bridge, not card bridge
Iszi
Iszi
@ThomasPornin As is Chess, if I'm not mistaken?
Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
19:40
... oh, just thought of another context to take that in
AviD
AviD
on the other hand, if you googled youtube for krav maga clips, what you turned up is probably not such great examples either.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
Olympic sports
Olympic sports are sports contested in the Summer and Winter Olympic Games. The 2012 Summer Olympics included 26 sports, with two additional sports due to be added to the 2016 Summer Olympics. The 2014 Winter Olympics will include seven sports. The number and kinds of events may change slightly from one Olympiad to another. Each Olympic sport is represented by an international governing body, namely an International Federation (IF). The International Olympic Committee (IOC) establishes a hierarchy of sports, disciplines, and events. or figure skating and speed skating (disciplines of Sk...
AviD
AviD
btw @Iszi some US special forces also train in krav maga.
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
So, yes, bridge with cards, and chess too.
AviD
AviD
it's actually one of the popular self defense schools for militaries and police
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
19:45
@AviD have you seen the russian SYSTEMA?
AviD
AviD
@LucasKauffman only on wikipedia.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
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I still think you should be a bit mentally challenged if you join the spetznatz
AviD
AviD
@LucasKauffman looks like an amalgam of TKD, judo, maybe a bit of kung fu thrown in, and all covered with a dollop of good ol' russian sadism.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD especially that last part
Iszi
Iszi
Well, this is interesting. A sport in which teams are explicitly required to have an even distribution of genders.
Korfball
Korfball () is a mixed gender team sport, with similarities to netball and basketball. A team consists of eight players; four female and four male. A team also includes a coach. It was founded in the Netherlands in 1902 by Nico Broekhuysen. In the Netherlands there are around 580 clubs, and over 100,000 people playing korfball. The sport is also very popular in Belgium and Taiwan, and is played in 54 other countries. History Korfball has Dutch origins. In 1902 Nico Broekhuysen, a Dutch school teacher from Amsterdam, was sent to Nääs, a town in Sweden, to follow an educational course a...
AviD
AviD
19:54
@LucasKauffman there were a few really hard throws on the concrete. And this is training?
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD this is a demo
AviD
AviD
@Iszi heh, I know another sport like that, but it's not an olympic sport
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
but systema has some really "weird" moves
Iszi
Iszi
@AviD We should petition for it. Just remember that it cannot include "elements of motorization".
AviD
AviD
@Iszi maybe in the sex olympics.
Iszi
Iszi
19:59
Haha. The international organization for TKD is WTF.
World Taekwondo Federation
The World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) is the International Federation (IF) member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) for the competition events of the martial art of taekwondo. International Federations (IFs) are international non-governmental organisations recognised by the IOC as administering one or more sports at world level. The WTF was established in South Korea on May 28, 1973, at its inaugural meeting held at the Kukkiwon with participation of 35 representatives from the world. The WTF, which only governs the function of Taekwondo competitions and related support serv...
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD also you ever watched powerrangers?
AviD
AviD
@LucasKauffman god no.
okay, maybe I've seen a little.
Iszi
Iszi
@AviD Apparently enough to wish you hadn't.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
20:15
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Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
20:38
@Iszi agreed
@ScottPack yes
@AviD one of the pen testers in my team at EY used to go over to Russia each year for advanced Krav Maga classes. His photos always scared me.
AviD
AviD
@RoryAlsop yeah, the advanced stuff is pretty wild.
wait, he went to russia for that?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@Iszi well - it is one of two. There is also the ITF. There was an acrimonious split. My kids do ITF TKD :-)
@AviD don't think they had classes at that level in London
think it was russia
AviD
AviD
@RoryAlsop isnt there always?
@RoryAlsop ok, so why not US?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@LucasKauffman I blame them for my kids getting into TKD at a young age
AviD
AviD
though I guess it would make sense there are good schools for that in russia, too.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
20:41
@AviD from UK it is cheap to go to eastern eurpoe, expensive to go to the US
AviD
AviD
@RoryAlsop hahaha, okay now I get @LucasKauffman's comment.
Jeff Ferland
Jeff Ferland
21:33
@RoryAlsop Yup
Speaking of which, tickets to London have been booked and I'm working on getting myself a moto to ride up to Scotland.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
21:49
@JeffFerland dont forget to eat a fresh portion of hagis when you are there!
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
Haggis in the morning. Haggis in the evening. Haggis at supper time! When haggis' on the plate you can have haggis any time.
Iszi
Iszi
@ScottPack Reminds me of a commercial for Bagel Bites.
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@Iszi As well it shoudl.
Gentlemen.
Iszi
Iszi
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Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
22:42
fucking iphone
half through my run it dies
Andrew
Andrew
23:04
Can anyone recommend a technical book on web application security - the ones on amazon seem a bit flaky/old. I'm looking for something that answers questions like "the following variables can be modified by browsers and client side applications in an http post request..." and then demonstrates how this can be done
AviD
AviD
@Andrew All of them. 14.99, direct sale right here.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@JeffFerland excellent!
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@Andrew I can even recommend you a free one
@Andrew owasp.org/images/5/56/OWASP_Testing_Guide_v3.pdf
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AviD
AviD
England is a strange place.
So it seems that pubs used to have rifle ranges. That's right, shooting rifles over the heads of customers. These were banned, but not for the reason you'd think.
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD what?
AviD
AviD
23:16
@LucasKauffman the rifle shooting ranges were banned from pubs because these would encourage gambling. England.
actually still are a few pubs that still have rifle ranges.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@AviD those English folks are crazy
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@AviD nothing bad about a drink after shooting down the range all day
AviD
AviD
@LucasKauffman or shooting a few rounds after having a few rounds.
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@AviD I have seen a couple of really old pubs with bowling, like the Sheeps Heid (thesheepheidedinburgh.co.uk) but never seen a rifle range
AviD
AviD
@RoryAlsop did you ever watch QI?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
23:19
@AviD aye - it's one of the ones I have on series record
AviD
AviD
its fantastic.
better than wikipedia.
they were just talking about the shooting pubs on one of the episodes.
just grabbed a couple episodes, actually quite interesting. :)
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@AviD but sometimes wrong - they made a small mistake about the shortest flight in the world, so I had to correct them :-)
AviD
AviD
@RoryAlsop woot
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@AviD that's the only mistake I have identified so far, but then I had inside knowledge: travel.stackexchange.com/a/5070/1381
AviD
AviD
but thats cheating ;-)
@RoryAlsop excellent
so @RoryAlsop, I see it really runs in your family, eh?
I don't mean the awesomeness, I mean the short "flight time"
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
23:26
@AviD what, having a bit of fun with life? Definitely
AviD
AviD
hehehe
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
My father is my role model
Thomas Pornin
Thomas Pornin
@RoryAlsop You consider your father as if he was your father ?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
@ThomasPornin heh, absolutely! And my hero.
AviD
AviD
cmooon, NObody is gonna acknowledge my premature jibe?
Rory Alsop
Rory Alsop
23:31
@AviD ahhh - that wasn't there when I responded
how odd
Gilles
Gilles
@AviD that one has sailed and gone, like ...
AviD
AviD
heh
Lucas Kauffman
Lucas Kauffman
@RoryAlsop Britten Normander is one of my favorite planes after the PC-6 and DHC-6
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