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8:00 PM
It was as bad as I thought it would be
I mean, it's a necessary evil, but what the fuck
 
@MDMarra /$%I(&*(SDF(&*G@#$ )DSF#$(&)%^#@$*&(%^#@*(&$^O&.=/
 
@WesleyDavid gets me everytime
 
@Zypher I hate you
 
@Zypher MFER WHERE DID YOU COME FROM?!
 
@Zypher unbalanced parantheses :P
 
8:01 PM
@MDMarra MWAHAHAHA
 
@DennisKaarsemaker That's not all that's unbalanced.
 
@WesleyDavid THE DATABASE
 
@Zypher whimpers
 
@DennisKaarsemaker happens when you pretend to be a cat and smack the keyboard
 
So far, BSG is interesting
 
8:02 PM
@Cole Wait until you see the part where Commander Adama's spine starts glowing.
 
This bitch having a heart attack?
 
Hello? Can someone give me a few tips on homeservers?
 
Run for your life
 
@DevNoob Not much to say - just get what you need and don't let the cat sleep on it?
 
Sure: use them at home. :)
 
8:03 PM
Are we being trolled again?
 
It's usually fine if the cat sleeps on the server. The problems occur when the cat takes a piss on the server.
 
@DevNoob And if it's a media server / DVR you're looking at, I know just the man to talk to ----> @ScottPack
 
Homeserver is a bit generic though. What kind of server? Fileserver, compiler host, ...
 
Just in case, I'm not answering.
 
@Basil s/again/still/
 
8:04 PM
@MichaelHampton Or when @ewwhite's dog peed on the one he sold me. =P
 
@WesleyDavid wut?
 
@WesleyDavid It helped your drug dealer friends get by customs, though, didn't it?
 
and this bitch just killed a baby!?
 
@MichaelHampton They didn't have to cross country borders so it was easier.
 
I'm not so sure anymore.
 
8:05 PM
@DevNoob As you can see, we can give you lots of tips. But unless you're more specific, they may not be quite exactly the tips you want.
 
@ScottPack YO DUDE
 
what are the homeservers serving tonight.
 
IF THATS A FUCKING SPOILER I'LL KILL YOU
 
i am hungry
 
@MDMarra What's up daddio?
 
8:07 PM
@DevNoob What are your requirements?
 
@MDMarra No, Adama being Lt. Zac's father, though, is a spoiler.
 
What OS, how many disks, ideal power consumption, noise, etc?
 
@MDMarra You're getting bent about spoilers for a tv show that went off air 3 years ago?
 
@ScottPack I have two episodes left to go, you shit head
 
grr...I didn't get to "senseless downvoting" - time to downvote the next new question that shows up to appease my inner surliness
 
8:08 PM
Also, who is that woman
 
@MDMarra Meredith Grey.
 
Never heard of him
 
@MDMarra Wait, so have you found out about Adama not being human yet? I can't remember if that's in the last episode or not...
 
Ellen Pompeo or something
@WesleyDavid I think they held off on that one until The Plan.
 
@DevNoob ran away
 
8:09 PM
@WesleyDavid Now I know you guys are messing with me
Seriously though
No more BSG talk
 
Alas poor @DevNoob, we hardly knew him.
 
I'm watching the last two episodes tonight
 
BSG ?
 
Battlestar Galactica
 
@Iain Big Stupid Gorillas
 
8:10 PM
ah !
 
Mark has a thing for primates.
 
sorry
 
I know someone is going to slip up and actually spoil something. You guys aren't that smart
 
was reading in another tab
 
i am craving for a primate
 
8:10 PM
@MDMarra Then there's The Plan, and now Blood and Chrome.
 
@MDMarra I can't - I don't know it
 
@DevNoob Now you'll have to scroll way back to see all the tips we gave you. :)
 
lol
 
@MichaelHampton Just the tips?
 
@WesleyDavid Stop pissing on the home server!
 
8:11 PM
@MDMarra Hurry up and watch them already!
 
@ChrisS Two left. Happening tonight
4 mins ago, by MDMarra
What OS, how many disks, ideal power consumption, noise, etc?
 
 
@MDMarra I'm going to say one thing, and one thing only. Try not to get pissed.
 
time to sleep in this part of the world
 
I was reading the star wall and tried to parse that as a regex
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8:13 PM
We don't have cable/satellite at home. People keep telling me Duck Dynasty rocks but it isn't on netflix. Any other way to watch it?
 
torrent it
 
BitTorrent?
 
@ScottPack I heard the last 15 minutes are brutal. But I mean, I survived the Enterprise finale. And the Voyager one for that matter.
 
@MDMarra The Fat Riker finale?
 
The Enterprise finale was so bad, especially because the episode before it could have ended the series just as well and been a great one
@ScottPack ya
 
8:14 PM
@MDMarra Talk about hamfisted.
 
@ScottPack All of a sudden, the cook is everyone's confidant. The central hub and recipient of all gossip on the ship. Yet, someone we don't hear about him until the final episode?
 
Neither of them really looked appropriate in those costumes anymore.
 
uuhm the requirements. It should be a NAS. One massstorage HDD two small hdds inn a raid. Hence min 3SATA interfaces. It should serve as nas (samba for xbmc), webserver, utor-server and linux playground. It should run 24/7, hence be lowpower. I do not need much ressources. Even a Raspberry Pi met the requirements but the rPi has not SATA.
 
@MDMarra It's not brutal... It's just not the happy ending everyone was hoping for... IMHO, it was a good ending, it's just a reflection of human nature, and humans suck sometimes.
 
The episode is so bad even if you take Riker and Troi out of it
@ChrisS NO SPOILERS
 
8:16 PM
@MDMarra I blame Braga.
 
@MDMarra I KNOW! I'm being careful.
 
@ScottPack Yeah, it was the only episode he was involved in since like season 1
 
@ChrisS The very end I thought was a bit overly preachy, but good. No, there were a few other things that were just a bit much.
 
@DevNoob Why don't you just get a little NAS and put funplug on it.
 
@ScottPack Yeah... We can discuss details tomorrow... hopefully
 
8:17 PM
@MDMarra Wikipedia says Braga ran all the day-to-day stuff of the show for seasons 1-3....
 
@DevNoob Or something like a Shuttle mini-ITX barebones PC
@ScottPack He didn't write or direct anything starting with the Xindi storyline, I believe
 
because theyare relative expensive most are not low power and the are not a full fleged system
 
He was still a producer, I think, but he farmed out the actual story to people with talent
 
@MDMarra Oh, writing, probably not. He was, from what I understood, to be a very hands on executive producer.
 
@DevNoob So grab a shuttle barebones PC and stick whatever you need in it. I think they even make some boards with an ARM CPU on it nowadays if you want real low power
 
8:19 PM
@MDMarra I do think it's interesting to think that the season that was, in my opinion, the absolute best was also the one he wasn't a producer on. :)
 
I wish BSG had explored more of the history of the universe... Like Cobol, or the remnants of the colonies, or the several other planets they come across.... Not sure which ones I can mention by name.
 
@ScottPack Yeah, but the generically modified Soong humans was a bogus storyline, I think
 
what is the avg power consumption of those mini-itx?
 
@MDMarra I can't remember those kinds of details. I should probably watch it again sometimes.
 
@DevNoob $20-30 per year in most cases/places
 
8:20 PM
@DevNoob Just the board and CPU itself? a few watts. The HDDs and such will probably consume more than the board
 
@ChrisS Same here, it seems like they sprinkled just enough details to let them create a very rich universe.
 
@ScottPack It was like a 4 episode mini-arc
 
@ScottPack Then completely abandoned all that; and shipped off into space. =/
 
@MDMarra I haven't seen it since the original airing. That was a long time ago.
 
@MDMarra that would be the nice this of a full fleged system. I could make a cron job to get tehz disks to sleep
sorry^^
 
8:22 PM
@MDMarra Oh yeah! The Brow Ridge Debacle!
 
Also, the Caprica series was slow, forced, and lacked all the story telling qualities of the BSD miniseries. And the CGI was bad to top it off. And the use of technology sucked, way too "mystical" and semi-religious. BSD simply avoided the typical tech-pitfalls by waiving the "BSD uses ancient technology because they're a bunch of techno-phobes" wand.
 
@ScottPack yeah
 
@MDMarra That was a pretty terrible idea to try to explain it away.
 
@ScottPack At least it explained it
Up until then, 3 other series hadn't
 
@MDMarra In the dvd extras for the DS9 Tribble episode they talked about it.
 
8:23 PM
Except "we don't hate the japanese in real life anymore"
 
well i ll take a look on the minis. Thanks!!
 
@MDMarra The writers felt like any explanation they tried to come up with would be terrible and would only make the whole thing worse. So they decided to have the characters mention it, have Worf refuse to speak of it, and then move on.
 
@DevNoob No problem. They're nice because you can add whatever disks you want to them. Most of the cases can accomodate at least 4
 
@MDMarra In other news, my kid is addicted to TNG. She asked to watch it first and loves it.
 
@DevNoob Spinning disks up and down constantly is the main thing that kills them (heat change). The money you save in spinning them down will likely be a smaller amount than the proportion cost of their shortened live. (eg, You save $50 in electricity by cutting the lifespan of a $200 disk in half. That's a $50 loss overall)
 
8:27 PM
just wait until she starts ordering Tea. Earl Grey. Hot. for breakfast.
 
@ScottPack THIS FAH AND NO FAHTHA
 
@mdmarra - explain this...
 
@ewwhite It looks like Jose hit something with a forklift
 
@ewwhite CIFS share? They have limited file name lenths
 
pedestrian...
Windows file share.
 
8:28 PM
255 character path length
 
going to redirected folder
 
Which is really like 240 or so in reality
 
Yeah, CIFS = SMB = Windows File Sharing
 
I used to be a fileserver like you. Then I took a forklift to the knee.
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@ChrisS Isn't SMB a subset of CIFS?
They're not directly equal, though usually they can interoperate
Anyway, @ewwhite, just shorten the file name, then copy it.
 
8:30 PM
"CIFS" is Microsoft for "trololololololololololol... Problem, Open Source?"
 
@MDMarra They're the same. MS renamed SMB to CIFS when they were going to open source the standard (Sun was working on WebFS at the time, I think it was related to NFS, but really don't know)... MS started published standards, but stopped when it became apparent WebFS wasn't going to happen either.
 
It's the relative path that has to be 250ish char or less, so if the user just saw it as My Documents\really fucking long name with a forklift.doc it would be fine but when you copy it from the server and it's D:\users\shares\username\documents\My Documents\really fucking long name with a forklift.doc then it's too long to manipulate
If you can rename it and it works, then that's good. If not, you might have to use a drive mapping or some tricks with subst to get it to work
Either way, it can be done
 
@MDMarra the best one is when IE autogenerates filenames that are too long directly out of the gate. Fucking hilarious.
 
@RobM A computer science student (accidently) recursively created `csc290\project\csc290\project\csc290\project\csc290\project` for eternity
I had to robocopy /mir an empty folder into it to make it go away
 
8:33 PM
@mdmarra we have had a few of those.
 
this just looks like a messy user
 
I used subst enough times until I was out of drive letters and I still wasn't deep enough
@ewwhite Reminds me of the penis icon layout
Ever see that video?
 
nooooo
 
The first video in the videos link
It's a "classic"
 
I think its possible to mount a folder via the ARC path, @MDMarra and that also gets around it. Not fun, but I have had to do it a few times.
 
8:35 PM
@RobM ARC?
Is that the \\?\ long path syntax?
Because that didn't work for me either
 
How do you teach people not to put many gigabytes of things on their desktop?
 
yeah, i might have got the name wrong, but that syntax
 
I never knew what the name for it was
 
@ewwhite I find setting it to read only helps
 
I used that with subst to get even deeper. Still didn't work
@ewwhite It's all gonna be backed up. Might as well just say fuck it
 
8:37 PM
@ewwhite What's the true risk in that inherently?
 
@ewwhite Quotas with hard limits =]
 
@ChrisS Shhh, there's already quotas on the whole set of redirected folders. Additional quotas for desktop folders is a pita
 
@DevNoob These guys probably get sick of me blathering on about them, but I'm a big fan of the HP ProLiant Microserver. I've got two of the N40L variants at home and HP have just announced a new series so prices for the older ones should drop soon. It's got a dual-core 1.5Ghz CPU, 2GB RAM and a 250GB included, and has 4 hard disk caddies. Also motherboard-mounted USB for if you needed it.
 
@WesleyDavid Sprawl.
 
@tombull89 yeah; I love them for small clients and satellite sites
 
8:38 PM
@ewwhite @WesleyDavid also bloated backups (or incomplete backups)
 
@tombull89 I use one at a client and plan on using more. They're nice.
 
@ChrisS the price of the caddies if you break one though - hnnnggg.
 
@voretaq7 I can see a managerial headache in it, but if it's on the desktop or on a file server, unless the PC just isn't being backed up, it's six of one and half-dozen of the other.
 
Look at all the subfolders.
 
I've got a monster of a server at home. Most of it is in a CoolMaster HAF923, the rest in some other no-name black case I had laying around.
 
8:40 PM
@ewwhite Consistant naming scheme too
 
The reason I bring it up is because back in pre OS X days, if you had too many file on your desktop, you'd corrupt the desktop configuration files (or some such) and "Did you rebuild your desktop?" was a common question on the list of first-tier troubleshooting attempts.
 
"Hmm, did I put the date at the beginning, or end of the folder name?" "Did it start with the dudes name or something else?"
 
@tombull89 I've never broke a HD Caddy, knock on wood
 
@WesleyDavid OS 8.1!!
 
@ewwhite Copeland or GTFO.
 
8:41 PM
@WesleyDavid I was down
 
@ewwhite Nah man, 7.6 was the best Mac OS of all time. OF ALL TIME!
 
Force everyone back to 8.3 filenames and make them keep an excel spreadsheet of their 8.3 > full name translations
 
I still remember version 6. Multifinder was the bomb.
 
@WesleyDavid Yo OSX, I'mma let you finish, but 7.6 was the best OS of all time!
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@ewwhite Yep
 
8:42 PM
@WesleyDavid so you think it's perfectly fine for important HR and company files to basically live on this messy user's desktop?
 
@ChrisS I had a 4U rackmount case with cobbled-togther system and a set 3x 2TB disks in it for my files. I've just sold it (will be delivering it later) without the 2TB disks in, just a 250GB boot disk as it's just massive and will be moving the disks to one of the MicroServers and putting Nexenta on it.
 
really? I'mma go with "no".
 
@ewwhite Well, no - from a conceptual POV. But I was curious if there was a technical issue you were coming up against. If it's just "This is how we've always done it" there's nothing IT can or should do about it unless there's a technical reason to force the change.
But yeah, if you're having a headache with backing up user PCs and redirecting folders, then drop the hammer.
 
@WesleyDavid I see plenty of filenames and folder names of " " or "-" or "?" because of misplaced mouse focus.
 
I just redirect everyone's everything so they can do whatever they want and rock on with their bad selves - it's all on the file server anyway (which hopefully is backed with block dedupe / compression)
 
8:44 PM
@ewwhite I sort of agree with @WesleyDavid. There are bigger fish to fry there. Sure we know it's a shitty way to organize, but it's all being redirected to the same place as documents and it's all being backed up
 
@WesleyDavid The church I volunteer my time and some money to, they had the same problem. So I bought them an SBS 2011 server, set up off-site backups, gave everyone a network share to save to, and at the moment there is about 5 files on the server and everything else is on their desktops and they transfer files to eachother via USB
 
@MDMarra I think just the act of putting it in My Documents is a big step up.
 
@MarkHenderson Yeah - that's how I like to do it as well.
 
@ewwhite Haha yeah
 
that was 2 years ago; it was a losing battle so I just gave up and set a GPO to back up everyone's personal files to the server every night and cross my fingers they never have a fire
 
8:45 PM
@WesleyDavid people get pretty messy, plus transfer and storage adds up
 
@MarkHenderson Folder redirection, cat. Folder redirection
 
I've had hell-users like this before... and it's all fucked up when the company's documents live in email or on someone's desktop.
 
@MDMarra they get all sad-panda when they go home and their files aren't there :(
 
@MDMarra Had it to begin with, but then had issues when a few people started trading in PC's for macs
 
@voretaq7 In this case, the desktop and documents are both redirected to the same location with a shared quota
 
8:46 PM
@voretaq7 Transfer seems a non-issue. Redirect folders, backup jobs - one and the same unless this is some half-duplex 10/100 network we're talking about.
 
@ChrisS 2010 with latest sp/patches. Problem seems to go away when I disable cached mode in the client (which breaks other stuff we need cached mode for )
 
@TheCleaner Holy Fuck! Who the shit still uses MSN Messenger?
 
@voretaq7 But yes, redirected folders does cause more storage to be used if people don't have a common area to dump their stuff. Thus my obsession with dedupe and compression.
 
And mIRC for that matter...
 
8:47 PM
@WesleyDavid our workstation backups would saturate the GigE switches at $job[-1]
 
@TheCleaner You know, I've seen some emails in my spam folder that I think you're desktop friend might be interested in.
 
@voretaq7 Thats why you start them at 10pm
 
@voretaq7 Wow, how big was the subnet and how many workstations?
 
8:48 PM
@MarkHenderson - random image...ewwhite's desktop pic reminded me of the youtube video and "I can't put your desktop icons back, you can't arrange by penis!"
 
@WesleyDavid a few /24s but less than 500 machines. People just crammed SO MUCH SHIT on their machines
@MarkHenderson 7
 
@pauska Interesting; same setup here essentially.
 
@voretaq7 So a differential / incremental backup would hose a gig network - sheesh. Philistines.
 
@WesleyDavid for at least a few hours yeah
 
@voretaq7 In our office here we start our weekly full dev server backups at 5pm on a friday; they finish at about 9pm on the Sunday. Thats what happens when you cram 10 servers, each with about 3TB of files, through a single GiGE link to a NAS that has an Atom processor and 5400RPM drives :p
 
8:50 PM
@RobM We're still on season 1. I think the next episode is the one with those Binars, or whatever, that reprogram the ship.
 
the monthly fulls would kill it for the weekend
 
what is this room about?
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excellent
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran Cats.
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran sex, drugs, and crashed servers
 
8:50 PM
Everything and nothing
 
Cats and shit.
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran Fisting
 
So. much. fisting.
 
@Cole but NOT cat shit (ahem @WesleyDavid!)
 
@MarkHenderson Oh Chloe.
 
8:51 PM
It's actually not about fisting at all
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@srikanthchandrasekaran Our trusty mod @Iain refers to it as a "digital locker room". I'm not sure I understand, though, I've never been in a locker room.
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@voretaq7 Hey I was sick that day. Stop making fun of me. =(
 
@MarkHenderson Of all the things for a Server Fault moderator to say...
 
@MDMarra No because @Cole doesn't like it. Although perhaps we can convince him to you know, give it another go
 
@MDMarra Elbowing?
 
8:51 PM
@tombull89 I've said worse things about this room. IN this room.
 
WE DO COMPUTERS!
I can computer good.
 
HURR DURR SERVERS HURR
 
@tombull89 not that way you pervert!
 
homeservers
ask @DevNoob
 
We may have scared him off
 
8:52 PM
@MarkHenderson - youtube.com/watch?v=N38a5ja26xY - I assume everyone here has already seen it though, including you.
 
@tombull89 You know computers! Awesome can you look at my fridge and figure out why its temperature is always too cold?
 
LOL
 
@Cole So. Much. Fishing.
 
Be nice, nVidia
 
8:52 PM
nah he's still here - we're not that scary are we @srikanthchandrasekaran ?
 
someone made agood attempt
 
@MarkHenderson Can you check out my printer?
 
@MarkHenderson User error.
 
@tombull89 Strike any user to continue
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@ScottPack Sure. picks up printer, throws it out the window buy a new one - it's easier and cheaper than refilling the ink
 
8:53 PM
Anyone here know about a GUI windows application that lets me create a photo slideshow using html, css and javascript and also lets me view the code after creating the slideshow?
 
This chat sometimes reminds of this very, very dark IRC channel i used to lurk on.
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And then sometimes you guys are inspiring.
but mostly weird
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran not offhand, but you could google for "HTML Slideshow creation software"
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran Seriously, this is chat for ServerFault. We look after servers in some form or capacity. You probably want a StackOverflow chat room.
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran And what about this room being about fisting, cats, cat poop and cutting our boobs off makes you think we would know?
 
8:54 PM
Gorramnit, I'm all out of stars. That hasn't happened since Holocryptic pussed out on us.
 
I've tried to like it but it burns so bad @MarkHenderson
 
@MarkHenderson well we may in fact want a slideshow of those things
 
@Cole No I mean, not having it done to you, but you doing it to someone else
 
@ScottPack He was good for a few out of context gas supergiants.
 
Personally I wouldn'y want to be fisted either. As a guy. You know.
 
8:54 PM
Where did Holo and Tyler go?
 
@MarkHenderson oh I've done that.
 
no guy liks to be fisted
 
They just disappeared one day
 
O_O
 
@mossy s/mostly//
 
8:54 PM
I'm like, LOOK YOU'RE MY LADY PUPPET.
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Speaking of gas supergiants, did @Zypher leave already?
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@MDMarra Holo is on twitter these days
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran we are the sysadmin side of Stack Overflow. We're the people who have actually dealt with that "Where's the any key" call.

That's why we're all crazy.
 
and Tyler is kept busy keeping the movies people from killing each other :)
 
Didn't that beta die?
 
8:55 PM
Poor guy has a name like someone's gargled marbles.
 
@WesleyDavid I looked through my twitter pictures and found this one that I sent to him.
 
I think holo got fed up of all the pictures of split gunbarrels
 
@RobM Where is the any key. WOW lol
 
My surname isn't exaclty better.
 
8:55 PM
@mdmarra Dont' worry. I have more WTF to show off today
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran this is the 21st century version of alt.sysadmin.recovery. Combined with alt.sex.bestiality
 
still kickin'
 
@voretaq7 Did you see the RT marathon he went on yesterday?
 
ahh alt.sysadmin.recovery. I loved that NG
 
Sometimes I think I shouldn't say the things that come into my brain. Then, I remember how weird all you fucks are so it's okay.
 
8:56 PM
@ScottPack parts of it
 
@srikanthchandrasekaran I once had a user yell at me "YOU DIDNT SELL ME A START MENU STOP TELLING ME TO CLICK ON THE GODDAMN START MENU"
 
I have a bit knowledge about Servers too. I will be giving my RHEL certification exam next month
 
And another one "What does your computer say on it at the moment?" "Viewsonic."
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@MarkHenderson "OK, fine, I can sell you a start menu, it will cost you $49.95 a month"
 
@voretaq7 I wish I could set an option to block all retweets from a specific user. That would help my timeline sanity.
 
8:57 PM
and, phoning the helpdesk, "My computer is on fire, what should I do".
 
@ScottPack YOU don't follow Amanda Palmer
 
@RobM piss on it.
 
@RobM throw yourself on it to save the precious data you fool!
 
Or, another woman, "OK, click the "Start install button, please. It will take about 10 minutes to install", then we just chat idlly for about 10 minutes, and I say "How is the install going?" "Oh, haha, I forgot to click Start! So sorry!"
 
"What does your computer say at the moment?"
"BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP"
 
8:57 PM
@voretaq7 I don't follow that Zoe girl either.
 
@ScottPack In other words you hate Erik
 
@ScottPack she doesn't tweet that much
 
I told them the usual procedure was to run out of the room screaming and hit the fire alarm button. They complained. Not because I told them to run during a fire evacuation, either.
 
Best one though was I was talking to a husband, fixed his problem, and he goes "Uhhh, ok, listen, my wife wants to speak to you. sorry." he hands the phone over and this woman goes "WHERE THE FUCK IS MY REFUND YOU CUNTS IM GOING TO COME OVER THERE AND CUT YOUR HEAD OFF!"
 
The Comms Room is rather rowdy right now.
 
8:59 PM
@WesleyDavid I don't hate The Great Gumbler, I just haven't care enough about any of his RTs to want to see them. :(
 
@Cole Its not usually this lively
Maybe we've all been drinking
 
I know!
 
@MarkHenderson Not yet.
 
@Cole someone mentioned fisting. Everybody woke up.
 
@MarkHenderson No, this is what happens when we're all too sober.
 
8:59 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker true.
 
All we need now is a yelling bird tweet, a couple of flags and a load of users from other SE sites to finish it off.
 

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