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12:53 AM
Is anyone here incredibly amazing @ fail2ban configuration?
I mean like, if there was a patron god of fail2ban or something then you'd be s/h/it
If so, please consider caressing my lonely question with your sulty eyes serverfault.com/questions/435016/custom-fail2ban-filter
 
@MichaelRobinson So you want fail2ban to email you whenever it blocks something? That sounds like a LOT of email...
 
just while we tweak it
eventually will make it ban, just wary of of inadvertently banning the wrong IP's
Also, it's not like we're facebook or anything
 
1:09 AM
@MichaelRobinson - I have never used fail2ban, but in non-extensible situations like that I often look at other avenues, like SNMP
Either firing SNMP traps or comparing delta values
 
-1
Q: How much does the server logs about client window pc with proxy server

user1713836I have joined new job and here its the big govt department. They have server 2008 as server with proxy server for all internet access. Now my home internet connection is dialup and i will get broadband coonection within 2 months. Now i download lot of stuff and i want to do the same feom my work...

 
1:24 AM
@MichaelHampton Fuck me, apparently that guy is from Australia
 
@MarkHenderson I had no idea where he was from, but it was pretty obvious he had the required intelligence to be a government employee.
 
@MichaelHampton Yes, I suspect he was given a government job to skew the unemployment statistics :p
You just got the job! How quickly do you want to get fired? :) — Michael Hampton 5 mins ago
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^ Comment of the year there
 
1:59 AM
Ok, who is voting to send crappy questions to stackoverflow... serverfault.com/questions/435024/… Our complaints about them sending us crap, are less valid if we send junk to them.
 
Not me. Not 3k yet. :D
 
@Adrian you need to play to win. I am sure you could have lots more then 3k now if you answered more questions.
 
@Zoredache Yeah... That applies to everything. You could have more if you worked harder.
 
Yeah, working on it. Only so much time in the day
I'd probably be more motivated if it we weren't getting Wheeties pussed in so frequently
Burned an hour working on the GF's HP dv6000 laptop. Gawd, what a dog.
 
2:14 AM
I avoid buying "consumer" laptops. Solves that problem very neatly.
 
What kind of BF are you letting your GF use a dv6000?
 
Ain't Xmas yet. Bought her flowers for her arrival at the airport tonight tho
And I gave her the Aspire 1 for her trip. Which fscking WORKS.
The dv6000s WLAN Nic hates the new wrt54
Simply will not pick up an IP
 
Ick, an Acer? They're still in business?
@Adrian OS? WPA2, what encryption?
 
@ChrisS Yep, they are still making cheap computers. They even sell their netbooks right in Walmart.
 
I'm afraid to ask how you know what they sell at Wortmart.
 
2:25 AM
The Acer's a friggin champ. Never had a problem. Bought a half dozen for the office 2-3 years ago
 
@ChrisS Acer is the #2 manufacturer of PCs in the world.
Their stuff is good, but yeah, they have a prominent low end line.
 
Vista, freshly up to sp2. Broadcom WNIC tho
 
The last place I Worked as an employee at had half their workforce on Acer laptops, the cheap ones. About 150 of them. Oddly enough, even though they were cheap crap, They only cost about $500 and we'd just throw them out after 3 years or so. Was cheaper than any other solution we could find.
 
Wpa2, I set it by hand so I know the damn thing works.
 
Of course, not exactly eco friendly.
 
2:26 AM
@WesleyDavid They were #4 in 2012Q2 at ~10%. I suppose people like cheap chinese crap...
@Adrian AES or TKIP?
 
Sometimes cheap chinese crap solves the problem neatly.
 
Tkip
 
@ChrisS Shoot, if they were #4 then, they slipped. A year or so ago they were #3 and I heard they supplanted Dell for #2 not long thereafter.
 
There's your problem, don't use TKIP
WPA2-AES or GTFO
 
wtf - my Dad just sent me a photo from a goddamn lego store. I knew America has Lego Land, but a lego store? Man we miss out on the good shit.
 
2:30 AM
@WesleyDavid I guess I haven't paid close attention lately, but I was pretty sure HP's had the top spot for quite a few years. Dell and IBM tend to trade spots now and then for #2 and #3... And everyone else dived up the rest. Asus is pretty close to Acer.
 
@ChrisS Yeah, no one has touched HP to my knowledge.
 
@MichaelHampton I've had better luck with TKIP compatibility than AES.
 
@ChrisS The main problem is TKIP is about as secure as Swiss cheese.
 
@MarkHenderson Yes, yes you do.
@MichaelHampton AES ain't any better when the key exchange mechanism is fairly easily cracked.
 
@MichaelHampton When was the last time somebody stole your cheese?
 
2:31 AM
@JeffFerland Oh, never, they just moved it.
 
Honestly I doubt tkip is the problem here. Half the time the Nick won't even come up for a local link. Sits there with a red X and not even 169.254.54.16
 
When I need Internet access and I see nearby WiFi still using WEP:
 
@Adrian Seriously, WPA2 only, and AES only. I had all sorts of trouble until I told the AP to never use TKIP. Now everything works smoothly.
 
TKIP also has the magic property of not telling you if you put in the wrong damn password
 
@MichaelHampton Yay! Only took 75 minutes, 2 reboots, and 11 device resets.
 
2:33 AM
(at least on some implementations)
 
@JeffFerland Man I almost never see WEP in the wild
 
@Adrian And sometimes cheap chinese crap isn't the solution.
There's an AP using WEP just barely within range of me.
 
@JeffFerland Don't screw up. =]
 
I'll be happier when my Aspire1 comes back home in a couple hours
 
I've got 7 WEP networks within reach with my antenna up. =]
4 are open, though I know at least 2 of those don't actually route to the net.
 
2:36 AM
@ChrisS Those open-to-nowhere ones make me cry
 
There was a NETGEAR where I used to live that was open but not connected to the net.
 
1 WPA and 3 WPA2, both PSK (not counting mine, which is WPA2-PSK too)
 
pressherald.com/politics/Lachowicz.html read up on the comments, particularly from Naran Row-Spaulding. Nancy terrifies me.
 
Once I get FreeBSD to fricking compile correctly and get my router upgraded I'll have both secured and public WiFi. Also putting two medium gain Omni antennas in the attic. I don't need all my bandwidth most of the time, might as well share.
Also, good excuse in case the Fuzz wants to bother me... I did just download a couple versions of ZeuS today. =]
 
Orcs are pretty creepy...
 
2:48 AM
Best JIRA ticket ever
 
So, I see you met the new guy and put your electric shock over IP into production?
 
@JeffFerland Closed as "Won't Fix" right?
 
@MichaelHampton Closed as "Buy a different pair of shoes"
 
@Adrian Must be a bug; I know that Mobile Electric Shock over IP isn't working yet.
 
@MichaelHampton Damn, people. You get to get the Devs working on that.
 
3:00 AM
@Adrian Strangely, the devs don't seem to be very enthusiastic about the project.
 
@MichaelHampton Just a matter of persuasion. Try more cattle prod.
Some decent little questions tonight. Nothing super-star, but not bad.
 
Where? All I'm seeing is crap...
 
@MichaelHampton Well, they're better than the 'Needs the Codez for my new facebook apps. KTHxBy!
 
Like the guy with both disks in his RAID1 failed.."Should I make a backup now?"
 
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Q: What's constitute an entry on the IPTables and how to find out which client it is originated from

cbdI have a Billion BiPac 7700N Modem/Router/Access Point and I connect another router (TP-Link TL-WR1043ND) in wan-bypass mode to extend the wireless coverage. Lately, I noticed that the connection through TP-Link has been dropping out quite regularly. Having read some posts on the Internet, I che...

This needs to go away though. Whether the bit-bucket or SU.
I have an answer half-typed and realized I could be typing all night just to cover everything wrong in that Q.
@MichaelHampton ok, you have a point. Some of them really have sucked.
 
3:08 AM
It's about average for SU.
I looked up the Billion thing since I've never heard of it, saw it was a consumer router, and hit close.
 
@MichaelHampton I do the same thing with DD-WRT, regardless of it's professional support services. DD-WRT should never be used for business. Or home. Or... anything except punishing only the most vile of criminals.
 
Wow. There's 3 horrid ones in 5 minutes.
 
@WesleyDavid DD-WRT haven't actually had a release in over two years, and that was a "pre-SP2" whatever that's supposed to mean.
 
@WesleyDavid DD-WRT beats the shit out of most standard firmwares, although once I went to Tomato I never went back
 
"And for your crimes against humanity, The court see's fit to sentence you to configure a multi-AP mesh network with DD-WRT. May your soul be shown mercy."
@MarkHenderson No it doesn't. Go sit in the corner of your cat box and think about what you just said.
 
3:11 AM
@WesleyDavid So what are you running on your home routers?
 
@MichaelHampton Shit out of the box. Works. If I anyone needs more than that, fucking buy Aerohive.
 
@WesleyDavid I kno what I said. I've used a lot of netgear devices. And a lot of linksys devices. And a lot of Asus devices. I'd rather use DD-WRT and be able to do a router-initated VPN tunnel than fuck around with stock fimwares. Goddamn Netgear won't even let you get past the Auto-Detecting ADSL Configuration screen on a modem/router unless the modem is plugged in and gets a Line Sync.
 
As long as I can get a signal within 70 feet, I'm happy at home. My home set up is so ridiculously simple. I want nothing complex. I want a laptop. I want a monitor. I want... nothing else.
 
I bought an Asus Dark Knight with Dualband 2.4/5Ghz N and put Tomato on it. It's been fan fucking tastic
 
@MarkHenderson See, that's my point. "But LinkSys can't do point-to-point VPNs!" EX-FUCKING-ACTLY. Buy Meru. Or Cisco. Or Juniper.
(Of course, the punchline is that DD-WRT can't do P-2-P VPN reliably either, it just has the forms that makes you think it can =P )
I don't think I hate many things in the IT realm as acutely as I do DD-WRT.
 
3:14 AM
@WesleyDavid I had DD-WRT on an old Linksys for a years, with a P2P PPTP VPN and RIP
Only got rid of it cos of its shitty WiFi
But like I said, I then switched to Tomato and it's been miiiiilllesss better than DD-WRT
 
I've got a 3 node DD-WRT mesh network I have to support here in town. Fricking frick I hate that thing.
 
I inherited a netgear with Tomato already on it, and I have my own router with OpenWrt Attitude Adjustment on it for doing the serious stuff.
 
@WesleyDavid Well that's a bit more complex than what I do with it :P And yes DD-WRT shoudl never be seen in a business environment
 
Another DD-WRT based public wifi network with capture portal. SUCKTASTIC
 
I looked at Tomato but it didn't seem to be very customizable.
 
3:16 AM
Oh, and log into its ssh server? Busybox! Busybox!!!
MOTHERFUCKERS DIE!
See? You see what DD-WRT does to me?! Here I've been curbing my sailor's tongue, and then we start talking about DD-WRT. Now I'm cursing the air blue. =[
Oh Oh!
@Mark, right now, go get NTP on your DD-WRT nodes to work.
Work as in, you know, get time from an external NTP server.
Try through the web interface, then the shell.
 
@WesleyDavid Uh so, most small Linux routers are busybox :p
I had to once debug a goddamn IP phone on busybox
 
shrug While it was a pain to set up, the dd-wrt box has been solid as a stone on the netbook and my iphone.
 
@MarkHenderson Most small Linux routers are bullshit. =P
 
@WesleyDavid I never had an issue with getting NTP to work on DD-WRT.
 
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Q: ls pagination on MontaVista with BusyBox

Mark HendersonI'm logged into an IP Phone running MontaVista with a very stripped down BusyBox binary (by stripped down, I mean the OEM has removed almost all of its functionality, except the basics like cat, ls etc). I'm doing an ls -l on a directory and there are thousands of files. I need to be able to pau...

 
3:18 AM
@MichaelHampton Burn the wizard! Burn!
@MarkHenderson You poor, poor man.
 
I clicked enable, broke all the rules of being nice with NTP by hardcoding 192.5.41.41, and it worked.
 
Kitty needs a Quaalude.
 
@WesleyDavid Busybox isn't bad, IF it's configured properly, and it seems most people don't. For instance DD-WRT's busybox is missing 'sort'. WTF?
 
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Q: In what order should we do the Tiffany Bridals Gowns?

stacbrideTiffanys is the leading supplier of bridal dresses and wedding dresses to customers in the Portsmouth, Southampton, Bournemouth and Reading areas.

lol
 
BALEETED
 
3:22 AM
That's the best belly laugh I've had in days.
 
Yeah because Server Faults target market are rich women living in England looking for wedding dresses
 
You just starred a deleted question.
To make up for it, here's a stupid question: Does Phusion Passenger include Rails or do I have to install Rails separately?
 
@MichaelHampton How is that stupid? I have no idea to the answer to that question.
 
I've been reading the bloody web site and I can't even figure out the answer.
Obviously I'm not a developer. I have the feeling that a real developer would intuitively know this just by looking at the site's CSS.
 
@MichaelHampton If you have to ask you'll never know. U FAIL @ DEVOPS
 
3:30 AM
@WesleyDavid But I really don't want to succeed at DevOps.
 
@Adrian they've spammed a while bunch of the SE sites
 
I really like a lot of the implications of the much of the clueful DevOps community. Then I realize, much of "Devops" is just what the neckbeards did all along a few decades ago.
 
@JourneymanGeek Hey, I'll take my giggles where I can. It's better than hammering my liver into submission every night.
 
is anonymously flaming them bad form? ;p
 
@WesleyDavid Yes. The schools splitting the IT and CS programs was a bad idea, IMHO.
 
3:34 AM
That and the clueful few in the DevOps community is probably able to be counted on one hand. Let's see, John Alspaw, Ben rockwood, Jordan Sissel, botchagaloop
 
And I blame the decade-plus of GUI-centric Windows Server stuff too. PowerShell is just now taking off after a decade of being back-burnered.
 
@Adrian: Not really sure on that. Not all potential sysadmins are the CS type
 
Maybe Theo Schlossnagle.
 
I want to know just enough programming to scratch an itch, no more.
 
@Adrian Monad FTW
 
3:35 AM
@JourneymanGeek IMHO, all the really good ones at least know a couple languages
 
@Adrian Troof.
 
I dropped out of CS. All I think I really learned was how to drink.
 
I can read enough C or java to know roughly what's going on
I can't write code for nuts
 
If I got my ass back in gear I could pick C back up and probably Pascal and COBOL, though both aren't terribly useful anymore.
 
3:36 AM
@JourneymanGeek You'll get there. You need a project first. You never really learn until you totally screw things up with a solution.
 
@Adrian: cobol allegedly still has a small market
 
If I REALLY got crossed up, I could go brush up on my COBOL and make bank doing contract work for the local banks and colleges.
 
@Adrian Remember when the Mac OS's Toolbox was all Pascal with a little bit of C bindings. Oh the days...
 
who ever used pascal? ;p
(which was my first language)
 
Of course, when I started CS, the intro course was FORTRAN. All the students got an account on some ancient mainframe that we were lucky to have terminals to connect to..
 
3:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek Uhm... all of the Mac OS at one point. =P
 
@JourneymanGeek The SECOND CS class was Pascal.
 
@MichaelHampton: My dad had a 1200 bps modem to connect to the university mainframe
(and I don't remember ANY pascal)
 
1200? Now that was fast...
 
@MichaelHampton Ours was Introductory Pascal in '92. 2nd semester was VAX Assembler and COBOL with Data Structures in Pascal.
 
3:38 AM
I remember something about BEGIN and END, but that's about it.
 
lol, We never had 300 bps here, no acousitc coupler BS either
 
@MichaelHampton and a WHOLE LOT of typing in between.
 
You haven't lived until you've used Z-Term to connect to a BBS over this:
 
I bought a copy of Borland Turbo C++ for MS-DOS from the campus bookstore and regretted it the instant I learned about Linux.
 
3:39 AM
@WesleyDavid I had an internal 2400 baud modem.
 
@MichaelHampton Must have been one of those rich kids uptown who had a TV in their room.
 
@WesleyDavid Had a Tandy 300bps external with a big red 'Connect' button to press once you heard the answer tones on the far end.
That 300bps unit was so funny. Was so slow that I could almost read text files on the little transfer window in my client at the same speed as the download.
 
@WesleyDavid Actually I had the 2400 baud modem when 9600 baud was common.
@Adrian Actually I could read faster than the 300 baud modem would spit out text.
 
@Adrian I had a 300bps modem that was old even in the early 90s. My dad and I took it out into the woods and shot it with an SKS. That was a fun day.
 
@MichaelHampton I probably could've if I'd had a better monitor. The amber-screen packard-bell monitor sucked.
Wow. By 1991 I'd already upgraded to a 14.4k for long-distance transfer on my FidoNET node.
For a couple years I'd even had my parents talked into getting a 2nd line for my BBS.
 
3:44 AM
Would this allow for copying all data? like /var/www content, apache with all sites, and other libraries I have installed? — dave 2 mins ago
Somebody shoot this developer.
Oh, so you're the developer. In that case, ask the sysadmin how you should deploy.
 
I mean this in the nicest way, but you probably need to contract the heavy technical stuff with an IT consultant. If you do this stuff wrong because you don't understand it, you could easily LOSE all the information you're trying to work with. — Adrian 17 secs ago
If somebody bitches about THAT comment, I'm done.
 
eheh
@Adrian: If someone gets their undies in a bunch over that, they deserve to lose their data
 
4:00 AM
@Adrian Yeah, I think the Summer of Love movement turned into the El Nino of Limp Wrists.
 
@MichaelHampton I'm guessing since they mention needing to install ruby, explicitly in the install guide, but not rails, I think passenger shouldn't need rails installed seperately phusionpassenger.com/download
 
@JourneymanGeek That's sort of what I figured. We'll see what happens when I actually attempt to do this tomorrow...
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4:22 AM
 
4:32 AM
Fucking Citrix ICA. These people allow me to copy/paste into the session, but not out of the session
Its incredibly frustrating
 
@MarkHenderson That's the overly secure place?
 
@MichaelHampton Yep
Cos its MSTSC running inside an ICA session inside an SSL VPN inside an extranet
It's a really big multinational, so one sort of expects these sorts of convalusions when you work with them. It's just frutrating. Taking me all day to do somehting that should take an hour
 
I hope you're billing by the hour.
 
@MichaelHampton Shit yeah
I'm up to 22.5 of them so far ;)
It's weeks like this where I wish I was a contractor
 
Save this for future use...
 
4:43 AM
You know, softraid should really be called Redundant Array of Independent Partitions, but something tells me RAIP wouldn't catch on as an acronym.
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@WesleyDavid That also encourages the "I have 3x 1TB disks and a 2TB disk - can I make a 5-way RAID5 using the partitioned 2TB disk as two of the disks?"
 
@ShaneMadden "And for that, you must touch the Punishing Zotstaff of Graunde Faulte with thine tongue."
 
5:09 AM
@MichaelHampton Did season 2 finish? I've gotta download them and watch.
Did everyone see that Aspergers-sufferers from multiple SE's have been busy:
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Q: xkcd-style graphs in meta

R. Martinho FernandesAfter seeing how to make xkcd style graphs in Mathematica, LaTeX, R, Matlab, and now looking for one in Python, I thought that this is too much. I am now eagerly awaiting for "xkcd style graphs in C++", "xkcd style graphs in C#", "xkcd style graphs in Haskell", and eventually, who knows, "xkcd s...

@WesleyDavid You aren't old enough to remember "Ayds" are you?
 
@Ward Not forming rational thought at that time, anyway.
Shoot, vmware bought shavlik? Dammit.
 
There was just no way to have a usable slogan with "ayds" and "hunger" once AIDS came along...
 
@Ward "Get thin. Stay thin. AYDS!"
So, anyone have suggestions for patch management software? I'm leaning towards Lumension.
ZENworks looks nice though
 
@WesleyDavid WSUS
 
@MarkHenderson swat
 
5:30 AM
@Iain I thought Warner left because people were dicks to him during the previous mod election? (catching up on good chat I missed)
 
5:44 AM
@Ward Whoah, warner left?
You're right
His bowtie isn't anywhere
 
I think I've noticed him a couple times in the past several months, but he's basically gone.
 
@Ward He doesn't seem to show up in the user account list. Did he nuke his account?
Oh ha nvm he changed his gravatar
OK he's been effectively gone since Sep 2011
 
@MarkHenderson I'm always surprised when someone who has a real picture in their gravatar changes it... they always look radically different to me.
 
@Ward I remember when I changed my display name to my real name, that was fun for a few days
I shoul dhave changed my gravatar as well, then nobody would have known
 
@Iain I'm sometimes tempted to write a "Vote, you F^&%$ers! Vote!" post...
 
5:54 AM
@Ward Don't bother. SE already reminds you "Hey! You havent voted in a while"
And also "Hey! You haven't voted on questions in a while. Questions need love toO!"
And "Hey! Remember to upvote if this question was useful" if you're low rep and come from Google
 
There's a nag for not voting? Never seen that
Seen the "vote on questions" one plenty though.
 
@ShaneMadden You must vote a lot. I get it fairly often when I hit SO from Google as I have almost no rep and very few visits there
 
Although most of the people who complain about crap questions are on the top voters pages, very few people have even 2000 votes this year (that's 10 votes a day for 200 days) I suspect that close-voting correlates somewhat with Q&A voting...
I once made the mistake of using my full name on a forum, luckily I was on good terms with the guy who ran it and he wiped most of it out. I'll stick with just my first name for plausible deniability.
@MarkHenderson It's not enough... as Iain's starred comment says, we need more voting to clean up the crap. Downvoting is almost as good as closing, and upvoting the good stuff so it stands out is even better.
It's not rocket science, people!
 
 
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7:01 AM
G'day
 
7:23 AM
@Ward I think he'd pretty much given up by then other than hanging out in chat. he made a brief reappearance for the election then faded away. I'm sure he left because the questions were coming more and more from the non sysadmin
 
7:38 AM
@Ward It was an interesting discussion but I'm not sure where it ended up. @petergrace is correct about the snark and I agree with him but for some reason I left feeling we were disagreeing on something and I can't figure out what or why.
@DJPon3 hi - how's Friday ?
 
Not too bad thanks. How's yours? Seems like I've missed a serious discussion?
 
@DJPon3 Mine is good so far.
 
I think the general consensus that SF is getting more and more low-quality questions and users and while the SF mod team and community are trying to stem the tide we need some help from StackExchange itself.
 
Yes, I wouldn't argue with any of that
I don't know what the problem is, but there's something not too good about our main site. Which is a shame because we've got a good 'core' of regulars. Not just those of us who use chat, either.
 
can you expand a bit on 'not too good' ?
Did any of you watch Red Dwarf X on Dave last night ?
 
7:55 AM
@Iain Nah, I've got a horrible cold so I tried to get as much sleep as possible last night.
 
@tombull89 e enjoyed it ~ some classic one liners
 
There seems to be a drop off in quality questions and voting. Which is a shame because there's a few good people who I've noticed come in and participate.
 
We have a lot of good questions. We also have a lot of bad questions, and once you get too many bad questions people get irked and start breaking out the snark and sarcasm.
 
Yes, I agree. I've found myself reaching for "imagine we can't see your computer..." type comments a few times. Which perhaps is heading down the road of snark, but on the other hand, I think a lot of people seem to be genuinely unable to understand that we're limited to just what they describe in our understanding of their problem.
 
The fact that there's some bad ones migrated from other sites don't help.
 
8:00 AM
it seems to me that the balance is shifting in favour of poorer questions which are largely from people outside our scope - the baby devops/developers with their *AMP problems
 
I don't know if people misuderstand the "professional" bit - you might be being paid to run a network but if you're running a system cobbled together with pre-2000 desktops and pirate OS copies can you really call that professional? There was a question yesterday about a "cracked" server 2003 install - that's certainly NOT what we want here.
 
indeed. Iain said something about not migrating stuff because of being unsure of how other sites will receive it. I've thought about that and been more careful about what I vote to migrate
At least, I think it was you, @Iain who mentioned that
 
the two things we struggle most with are 'professional' and 'server' they are both vague and mean different things to different people. Some of the devs even say things like 'My IT ...' which implies that they consider us to be IT and that then definitely puts them outside our scope.
 
indeed
 
@DJPon3 yeah I pretty much close stuff that's going elsewhere as OT and leave a comment
A couple of people will even flag to ask for something to be stopped if they think something would be a poor migration too
Hey @Chopper3 how's it going today ?
 
8:06 AM
@Iain I little less bruised, a little less painful, a bit more sleep - so not bad
 
Hey @Chopper3
 
8:24 AM
@DJPon3 hi
 
Glad to see you're feeling a bit less battered
 
@tombull89 Glad you said pre-2000's as we're only just phasing the last of ours out ;)
 
Dan
Mornin
@Iain Very enjoyable, though the classic episodes after did show up its faults. Glad to see it back though and very worthy of the airtime
 
8:43 AM
@Dan Thought you were talking about 'Jim'll Fix It' then
 
don't think we'll be seeing that on the repeat schedule any time soon
 
Dan
@DJPon3 It'll be on the same channel with Gary Glitter re runs
 
oh yes
 
Turkish Star Wars - really
 
stupid windows
 
8:59 AM
@Chopper3 Time for a new show, then? Jim'll fiddle it?
 
Dan
@tombull89 I haven't watched the documentary yet - may have a look tonight. Not entirely happy with the trial by media, but it does all sound pretty damning
 
@tombull89 All the freddie star stuff out soon too
 
9:29 AM
@OliverSalzburg I would this be ok for you serverfault.com/questions/435122/… on SU ?
 
Ahoy
@dan any experience with point-and-print?
 
Dan
@pauska You mean the GPO option? Works alright, yeah
 
9:44 AM
@Dan So you use it? Or just leave it at defaults?
 
Dan
@pauska Just put in the print server properties and stuff
 
[main client] uses some odd geolocation software for printer selection, you can zoom down to any printer via the map view but the fun thing is it lets you print to ANY printer on either the network or that's connected in any way to any client machine - and yes this does mean that people can print "I WILL KILL AGAIN" in 144pt bold to another VPN'ed-in user's local USB printers :)
 
Dan
That yeah?
 
@tombull89 eh, I used to run a network of cobbled together PIVs that are older than my dog. Thankfully homenet is mostly windows 7 now
(which is why I don't ask many questions here ;p)
 
@Dan yep
thats the same options im going to use, so I guess im good then
how about the settings in computer\administrative\printer?
 
Dan
9:59 AM
@pauska Isn't that the same place?
 
@Dan what do you mean?
 
Dan
That is Computer\Admin Templaters\Printers
 
oh
I thought you were using user\admin templates\control panel\printers
 
Dan
@pauska Ah, I can show you that too
I'm just ripping these from the reports of my last project by the way
Control Panel/Printers
Policy Setting Comment
Prevent addition of printers Enabled
Prevent deletion of printers Enabled
 
@Iain Yup
 
10:12 AM
@HaydnWVN my feelings to
 
@Dan thanks - one last question.. do you know if Point And Print affects mapping of printers via GPP?
 
Dan
@pauska That I don't know, because I've only ever used the same print servers with both
I'd unimpressed if it did, though
 
sweet. I just hit 2k <3
 
Oh neat. There's a little progress bar on the reviews page to let you know how close you are to getting one of the badges for that queue.
 
@Iain Yeah, it's definitely on-topic. Pretty sure I saw a few questions asking that...
 
10:20 AM
ya, thats new
 
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Q: how do I access a server inside a VM?

user13743I setup virtualbox running debian for website development inside of Windows 7. Can I access that webserver running inside the VM from Windows 7? I tried going to 127.0.0.1 and FF said there's no server, so it looks like it's not running automatically.

 
@OliverSalzburg I've closed it OT and advised the OP to check SU before posting
 
@Iain Cool
 
10:32 AM
We're using printerpropertiespro.com for our printing. It's pretty sweet
 
11:01 AM
We were using GPO for printings, but have recently moved to KIX.
 
Dan
@tombull89 I'm kinda heading more and more that way. I love GPP's, but sometimes they just don't work
KickScripts are nice, but they're less maintainable and relies on some knowledge
 
its funny how some things never change. I've been working in IT for over 20 years and printing is still a big problem despite being a simple thing
 
@HopelessN00b I fixed my BSOD problem
 
Dan
@DJPon3 Printers are the literal bane of my life. Terminal Services and Printing just don't seem to get on properly
Shit drivers mostly
 
@HopelessN00b I replaced the shitty software with something better
 
11:04 AM
yeah adding TS to the mix is a whole other level of not fun
 
Does anyone use print tracking software? Something like PaperCut?
 
@Dan which is the issue I'm working on
suddenly they just fail completely
getting random errors in the event log when the group policy printers try to map
 
11:24 AM
Looking for a program that installs KB .exe's from a folder silently on a system (assisting rollouts of windows on different hardware) anyone know one off hand?
 
@HaydnWVN: with some hacking, I'd guess wsus offline update?
which IIRC is just a clever autoit script
 
@HaydnWVN GP Management.
GPO + script.
 
11:47 AM
@HopelessN00b I can point that locally so no downloading required?
@JourneymanGeek Already using my own batch file to run each .exe silently with a 30 sec pause between each, but ideally I want a program that doesn't require each to have finished installing within that 30 sec window (so no failures due to slower PC) :)
 
@HaydnWVN We have all our KBs for this in SYSVOL, accessible over DFS. I suppose you could download them all to a fileshare and push them out to the client machines with a GPO or GPP if you wanted.
@HaydnWVN You're doing ti wrong. Instead of waiting and then running the next install, wait... check to see if the install's complete (by checking if the KB's shown up in the registry as installed yet), and based on that check, either wait again, or install the next.
 
@HopelessN00b I can do the 'pushing' myself it's just the installing i'm looking for - scenario is several XP machines of differing hardware i'm nuke n paving... Stuck on a slowish DSL line... I'm looking to avoid downloading 200mb+ for each machine (and killing our connection while doing so)
@HopelessN00b That's outta my depth, havn't touched GP's much as this isn't a domain
 
Yeah, download them once to a central location. Then have have each client get them over a network share.
Anyway, I gotta head off to work, so... back in like an hour.
 
@HopelessN00b ok, cya
@JourneymanGeek Thanks for WSUS pointer, look like what i'm after :)
 

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