The Comms Room

Jeff Ferland

7:00 PM

@Adrian What'd they do today? :)

Adrian

@JeffFerland The differences between the Debian/Ubuntu and traditional Linux run-levels.

But the idea of punting Shuttleworth in the nads makes me feel better, so I'm sticking with that.

Chopper3

@ewwhite Hmmm... it works obviously, if you need the IO then sure why not, but you lose the whole vMotion thing (actually maybe not with 5.1 of course...) but yeah, why not

SpacemanSpiff

@Adrian - I'm still on a CBR600RR

did a few trackdays down in Joliet this summer, it just finally turned chilly today

ewwhite

@Chopper3 the HP rebranded ones are $4k right now

Jeff Ferland

@SpacemanSpiff I'm trapped in my apartment... but it's impressive how you can type that fast on a bike. :)

SpacemanSpiff

7:03 PM

been riding quite a bit, I rode it down to Tennessee a few weeks back

@JeffFerland - you'd be amazed what Siri can do over a bluetooth headset :)

Chopper3

@ewwhite I use those too - for VoD streamers obviously (and splunk) so yeah, all good

ewwhite

@chopper3 641027-b21 $5k for a $26k FusionIO card - h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/10301602/mfg_partno/641027-B21

Adrian

@SpacemanSpiff Nice. It's been fscking GLORIOUS here. It's chilly, but it's rained maybe 1/10th of an inch since July. Hate going in to work when it's so amazingly sunny out.

SpacemanSpiff

I bet... I want to end up on the west coast myself

Jeff Ferland

It's a good life. 74 and sunny here today

I considered rappelling out of my window, but I'm afraid I'd damage the frame.

SpacemanSpiff

7:05 PM

what you need is a giant tub of bacon lard to land in

Zoredache

7:30 PM

@Adrian The nice weather this year does have a down-side. The apples, and other farms we have are having a horrible year.

voretaq7

woohoo autogenerated SVG with off-by-one errors!

(FAAAAAAACK!)

Adrian

@Zoredache Ah. True. No autumn flooding on the Skagit though. =)

need to figure out a way to slip our QA clerk a quaalude.

Way too amped up and intense.

HopelessN00b

@JeffFerland You're doing it wrong. Never use a window frame as an anchor-point for rappelling; that's just begging for a painful structural failure. You should a piece of infrastructure... or failing that, something that won't be able to move. Like heavy furniture, or a fat person in the room.

Jeff Ferland

@HopelessN00b The windows are two side-by-side, with a 8" wide column separating them. It's plenty of infrastructure. I'm concerned about the rope breaking the plastic that's against the wall.

Zoredache

@Adrian The yearly flooding has always been a bit funny from my perspective, but then I have always lived on high-ground and get to laugh at the people getting their feet wet. I always wonder why people keep rebuilding their houses right next to the river after each flood.

HopelessN00b

7:39 PM

@JeffFerland Oh, I see. Well, you can still invite a fa person over if you're desperately in need of a good anchor point... that's less likely to damage the plastic window bits.

Adrian

@Zoredache I don't understand why they don't build their houses on pontoons if they're gonna be right next to a river that floods every 2-3 years.

Attach it to posts like the docks that rise and fall with the tide.

Put the utilities in flexible-tube on the cable track systems that they use for cranes & the rolling stadium roof

voretaq7

@Adrian really sucks when your house floats away.

Especially if you liked your original view.

pauska

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Adrian

@voretaq7 That's where the posts come in. House has a collar that slides up and down the post with the water level.

They're usually 24" wide posts about 20' tall at the docks here in Puget Sound.

voretaq7

River floods over post height - house washes away.
Rushing water erodes post footings - house (and post) washes away.

@Adrian river floods can be way more violent than tidal flow :(

Adrian

7:46 PM

@voretaq7 20' flood is unlikely. There's a lot of elevation change, but not that much watershed. We're not talking lower Mississippi here.

HopelessN00b

Oh, gawd. Please delete it...

-5

Q: How I can install a linux server (NAC),

How I can install a linux server (NAC)

voretaq7

@Adrian we ignore the lower mississippi in this country.

@HopelessN00b Gone before downvote frenzy.

some things are unsalvageable.

Chris S

@Adrian inhabitat.com/dutch-floating-homes-by-duravermeer <-- Some people are smart enough to do just that.

Adrian

@voretaq7 The Skagit has like 15' ASL. If you got a 20' flood, you should write it off because you've just become part of the ocean.

Jeff Ferland

What does the NAC mean?

HopelessN00b

7:48 PM

@voretaq7 And even among the unsalvagable, some things stand out.

Adrian

@ChrisS THERE IT IS! Saw that on a show years ago in History Channel.

HopelessN00b

@JeffFerland Network Access Control, presumably.

voretaq7

@ChrisS ProTip: Houseboats are NOT seaworthy.

@HopelessN00b presumably

Chris S

@voretaq7 These are normal houses that aren't attached to the ground, and waterproof on the bottom; with a pair of 5.5m rods to hold them from floating away.

voretaq7

@ChrisS (houseboats being Not Seaworthy is why I didn't want to buy one. It seems like an AWESOME concept until you realize you can't even take it to the other side of Long Island...)

@ChrisS so a houseboat without propulsion then, riding at anchor? :)

Chris S

7:49 PM

@voretaq7 Er, yeah, I guess

Adrian

@voretaq7 Long Island Sound is open water.

Iain

@HopelessN00b wah - another - I deleted his other just a short while ago

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Indeed. Not a Computer and Nice-Ass Calculator come to mind immediately as other possibilities.

Lucas Kauffman

Chris S

Related gizmag.com/floatec-floating-house-project/19670/picture/141337 <--Why not just float the whole darn city while we're at it?

HopelessN00b

7:50 PM

@Iain Oh my. I feel compelled to use the mod tools to look...

voretaq7

@Adrian nobody around here considers the sound blue-water sailing

but as opposed to the great south bay, yes.

Adrian

@voretaq7 You're from NY. You're tough. People consider Puget Sound open water here. It's 5 miles across and only 600' deep.

Aarthi

yo @voretaq, wanna have brunch with me on sunday? casperone might be there.

HopelessN00b

Oh good... another high quality new user, huh?

"How I can install a linux server (NAC), which of these demons is the best:"

Iain

@HopelessN00b yeah - that's the one

HopelessN00b

7:53 PM

I bet we see another question in about 30 minutes titled "How can I install a NAC"

Zoredache

@JeffFerland en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Admission_Control or Or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Access_Control

voretaq7

@Adrian charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12363.shtml (west) and charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/12354.shtml (east). You see why we don't consider it blue-water sailing? :)

HopelessN00b

Yeah, MS' version is called NAP, the shop I used to work at used the actual acronym...

Chris S

@voretaq7 you should have linked him to the Wikipedia article on tree structure too, maybe he would have got lost reading Wiki and never came back...

HopelessN00b

Assuming a guy like that is going to read anything, rather than post a question here about how to plant a tree structure...

Not sure you're on solid footing with that assumption.

voretaq7

7:57 PM

@ChrisS fuck that. He gets the Graph Theory article and can figure out the specifics of DAGs and Trees from there.

@HopelessN00b oh god did he ask about planting a tree? Please tell me he did, I could use a laugh or 12

WesleyDavid

PLZ TO HLP NAC MY LAMP also BIOS hang after i unplug server through flashing task. PLZ to share command for fixing

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HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 No, not yet. But I'm sure he would, if it was a choice between that and reding about NAC tree structures.

voretaq7

@Wesley amazon.com/Christmas-Story-Desktop-Leg-Lamp/dp/B000YK5BN2

NAC that LAMP!

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Great, another gag gift I've just bought off Amazon.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 LAMP --nac-ladyleg

voretaq7

8:02 PM

@WesleyDavid NAK! NAK! :P

WesleyDavid

ewwhite

8:16 PM

Can anyone here hit: laspecialty.com

Basil

@ewwhite I can't

ewwhite

how about orders.laspecialty.com

Basil

yup

HopelessN00b

Would a canonical Q&A on why cPanel/WHM is utter shit no one should use be closed/deleted as too snarky, hostile and/or brutally honest?

0

Q: Domains added in WHM don't show in cPanel

I'm working with a dev server and I've added a bunch of domains in WHM's Add Zone feature and assigned them to the account I want to use them on but when I log into that account, I don't seem to have them anywhere. How do I turn domains added in WHM into addon domains for a specific account?

dns domain cpanel whm

<sigh>

Iain

@HopelessN00b all of the above

ewwhite

8:27 PM

three internet lines at client... two went down

inbound DNS is only set to go to one of them

so I'm stuck making DNS changes short notice

and the customer is salty that there's a propagation time

Adrian

@voretaq7 When you get right down to it, Long Island Sound is closer to grey-water sailing. =)

Zoredache

@ewwhite 'salty'?

ewwhite

Yes, salty...

Zoredache

I was hoping for a definition or something. I don't understand what salty mean in the context of that context.

Adrian

@ewwhite I think they call that 'pissy' in Upstate NY.

Seattleites are too passive-aggressive to call that what it is.

ewwhite

8:34 PM

@Zoredache Oh, PISSY...

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Salty as in cursing you out because you can't make the internets do things faster?

Zoredache

@ewwhite Tell your customrs they need to set a smaller TTL next time?

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid It was an unplanned move.

voretaq7

@Adrian Red Tide? :)

ewwhite

but yes, because the internetz isn't faster.

Adrian

8:39 PM

@voretaq7 Uh, more likely brown tide. =)

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Yeah well, unplanned as in they forgot to tell you about it or it was disaster borne? And is this a part of working for LW or is this your personal client base?

voretaq7

@Adrian red, brown, porpoise hork - it's all good.

WesleyDavid

@Adrian It's funny because it's poop.

Adrian

@voretaq7 Like I said before, you're NYers. You're tough.

@WesleyDavid My kids would agree.

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid My client. The issue looks to be a routing issue somewhere upstream that impacted the XO T1 line.

and the Fixed Wireless line

voretaq7

8:40 PM

@Adrian WHO SMELLS LIKE FREAKIN' PORPOISE HORK?!

ewwhite

but a third connection, an MPLS, still worked

voretaq7

(also why is that sound / video clip not available anywhere?)

ewwhite

but inbound services were not established on that line

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite How do you balance LW and your own client base. You are a man of steel.

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid This was an emergency... but other than changing DNS, not much I could do

HopelessN00b

8:48 PM

@ewwhite Bullshit. You could have fixed it FASTER!!! if you weren't such a slacker. :p

voretaq7

►

@HopelessN00b "Cheetah Blood, because Tiger Blood isn't good enough!"

HopelessN00b

No, because I had my speakers off and got the Futurama episode that was from wrong.

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b sigh

Hopeless. N00b.

HopelessN00b

You mean we can never catch up to him? Not even if we rub the engine with cheetah blood?

Yeah, well....

Vore. Taq.

Somehow it doesn't have the same affect when I do it to you.

voretaq7

HopelessN00b

9:00 PM

Oh, holy mother of... I'm going home/quitting.

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b because of a little Vore?

Adrian

@voretaq7 Heh. My last GF was somehow not aware of Vore or Tentacle fetishism. Odd since she was pretty into everything else under the sun that was kinky.

HopelessN00b

No... because the CIO just sent me an email. I just.... Gah.

Adrian

She was a bit scandalized to discover that her 7yo son who spends 4-5 unsupervised hours on Youtube watching dinosaur videos was wandering into vore and tentacle stuff while she was busy elsewise.

HopelessN00b

@voretaq7 Microcenter is selling 2TB, 7200k RPM drives for $99 each, why did you buy the same thing for $500 each?

Adrian

9:04 PM

@HopelessN00b what?

HopelessN00b

Anyway, I seriously need to go home before I answer that. Later.

@Adrian Sorry, clicked the wrong post.

Later, really.

Adrian

@HopelessN00b have a martini for me!

ewwhite

damn...

voretaq7

@HopelessN00b wha?

ewwhite

Senior Dev Ops/ Sys Admin Engineer at Peaksware LLC / TrainingPeaks

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Scope and Responsibilities The successful candidate will be responsible for: Administering and monitoring our Linux instances running MongoDB and Redis Administering and…

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Cycling + DevOps

voretaq7

9:18 PM

Should suffix and filenames be allowed to continue existing?

Adrian

@voretaq7 No

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Suffix is way too general on its own, but it could be used as a dimension of a search. Filenames... same. Sheathe thy Zotsword, dread Modzerker.

Adrian

@ewwhite Only asking for 5 years experience? Oddly low for a senior engineer slot.

ewwhite

@Adrian That's a fun-sounding company.

Iain

@Adrian how old is the DevOPs movement ?

WesleyDavid

9:25 PM

@Iain In spirit or in nomenclature?

Iain

@WesleyDavid the latter ?

WesleyDavid

And lo, the hedgie descends.

@Iain Three years, mayhaps?

Adrian

@Iain DevOps could be a 3 week old movement. A Senior Engineer slot isn't something you give to someone with a couple-3 years of experience.

Iain

I've been a devops for perhaps 20 years

WesleyDavid

This is a markdown test:

em**bed**ed

Iain

9:27 PM

no, you need spaces

WesleyDavid

Had this been an actual markup language, text styles would be functioning properly.

Well heck.

Anyway, as I was about to say -->

Iain

...

WesleyDavid

Devops: You Dev- elop your skills as an Op such that you are a productive member of your technology team.

But no, **Dev**elop wouldn't work. You know why? BECAUSE DEVOPS, THAT'S WHY!!

Iain

I don't have anything against DevOPs, the main problem is that it's largely a marketing term. At the top end there will be genuinely talented people. Unfortunately every *AMP developer on the planet will style themselves a DevOP and the rest will be history

congratulations @ewwhite 40K

ewwhite

Oh no! Someone downvote me!

voretaq7

9:36 PM

@Adrian @WesleyDavid Tags cast into the pit of eternal damnation

@ewwhite someone set us up the downvote!

Iain

@ewwhite why ?

voretaq7

@Iain repophobic?

(repophobia? repaphobia?)

ewwhite

@Iain DevOps is a weird term/idea... I'm trying to embrace, but I still think it only applies to certain scenarios. I think @basil said something like, "anyone who needs to make money or be mission-critical" isn't DevOps

Iain

@voretaq7 no Ed's a repwhore

voretaq7

@Iain "You think just because StackExchange encourages repwhores people are going to go around wanting everyone to know they're repwhores?"

ewwhite

9:39 PM

I wanted to hang onto 39,999 points for a long time... like trying to recapture that first high...

voretaq7

@ewwhite meh

shoot for 999,999

Iain

@ewwhite I think that at the top end like the SE devs it is a working concept, below that the cliff is steeep

voretaq7

@ewwhite @Iain Any well-run company practices certain aspects of DevOps

Iain

@ewwhite I'm going to start giving rep away when I get to 40k

@voretaq7 yes

voretaq7

They may not call it that, but you've got developers and operations staff interacting on a regular basis to make sure what comes out of development will be stable and functional in production, and that bugs in production are reported back to development to be fixed quickly

@Iain I'd give away more rep if there were more bounty-worthy questions that didn't have bounties on them already

ewwhite

9:42 PM

I had a devops discussion earlier this week... when these web firms mention it, they're really speaking about "approaching server maintenance/management programmatically" and less reliance on on-house physical infrastructure.

Iain

@voretaq7 I plan on looking harder and also looking at the answers then bountying stuff

ewwhite

One guy said, "it's not about the bespoke server that's been carefully crafted"

voretaq7

@Iain Bounties really need to suck less

there's lots of great featured stuff with +50 bounties on it, I'd love to throw another 100-150 on there and make it actually worth getting the bounty for some of our higher-rep users

ewwhite

it's about treating the hardware as a total commodity... Like ephemeral Amazon EC2 instances that are part of an auto-scale group...

you'd never log into one, right?

Iain

@ewwhite ultimately it will become as wishy washy as cloud

voretaq7

9:43 PM

@ewwhite A server? Not generally

they get installed, imaged, deployed, and reimaged for updates

I log in if there's a monitoring alert that needs investigating, or when running updates

ewwhite

This current gig is strange because we're promoting DevOps and cloud evangelism...

but we have physical hardware to deal with

Iain

@voretaq7 I'd rather seek out lower rep users and encourage them

voretaq7

@Iain I set the threshold for higher-rep around 1k-2k in terms of bounties

ewwhite

so for the ~3,000 servers here, all of the ugliness of SuperMicro, software RAID and hardware interaction is still a reality.

Iain

@ewwhite at some level someone has to deal with physical no matter what your abstraction is

ewwhite

9:46 PM

Right, so there's a hollowing-out of the profession.

Iain

@voretaq7 yeah people need to show themselves

ewwhite

the people who will know HW and that stuff will end up on my side...

the consumers of that product are going to be the devops-types.

Although, I'll share a system I'm working on... it's a company that has a lot of interesting publications...

Think Play...<cough>...Boy

And their server just crashes like there's no tomorrow...

so I was investigating

and the amount of... spam... coming out of the machine.

Adrian

@ewwhite email spam? srsly?

ewwhite

crazy stuff... things that looked like the machine had been hacked

Enough, that I did an RPM verify

voretaq7

@Iain yeah. Really below about 2K the +50 is a good incentive (most rep steps are 250/500 at that level)

2k or 3k you start having multiple thousand point gaps between privileges and that's where +200, +500, etc. starts looking attractive if you're browsing the featured list

ewwhite

9:53 PM

@Adrian sorry, was logging on to see.

Adrian

@ewwhite I wouldn't necessarily trust an rpm verify on a potentially compromised machine.

@ewwhite no worries. I was switching workstations and answering a padawan question anyway.

ewwhite

2F2FA310068     1197 Sun Sep 30 20:50:34  apache@aREDACTED.com
(host mx2.comcast.net[76.96.40.147] refused to talk to me: 554 imta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net comcast 209.81.88.89 Comcast block for spam.  Please see postmaster.comcast.net/smtp-error-codes.php#BL000000)
                                         bloominREDACTED@comcast.net

-- 47519 Kbytes in 680 Requests.

hundreds of outgoing messages...

Iain

@voretaq7 I want to encourage people to 3k and get them helping with the quality issues we have

ewwhite

(delivery temporarily suspended: host zuul.ihug.co.nz[203.109.135.49] refused to talk to me:

voretaq7

@Iain +500 bounties would be attractive to them too :-)

ewwhite

9:56 PM

(host daffcavvip.intellicentre.net.au[143.188.101.5] said: 450 4.1.8

That looks mighty spammy, right?

pauska

it looks like you are blacklisted, yes

voretaq7

@ewwhite

(delivery temporarily suspended: host zuul.ihug.co.nz[203.109.135.49] refused to talk to me: "YOU NEVER CALLED AFTER OUR DATE LAST WEEK! YOU JUST WANTED TO GET INTO MY DELIVERY QUEUE! YOU DON'T RESPECT ME AS A MAIL SERVER!")

pauska

smtp servers doesn't refuse to talk to you unless you're in a list of bad ip's

voretaq7

FTFY

pauska

regular spam checking occurs after the message has been submitted

Adrian

9:57 PM

@ewwhite Or is that box blacklisted simply because of an adult domain parked there?

ewwhite

@pauska Not me... but the main application server for the interesting publication I noted above.

pauska