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4:02 AM
sigh, laptops
 
@MattBear WSUS is fine, but if you need something else for whatever reason, you'll be looking at agent-based patch management and software distribution. Really, you've got to justify that pretty well to beat WSUS for simple deployment of patches from Microsoft. Usually the first justification is needing to deploy other software and patches as well, and then it's a matter of "Whelp, might as well do Windows updates too..."
 
can't domain join them if they're not on a domain site...
A friend posted a photo that they'd bought a house; the "for sale" sign was partially obscured, but there was enough info to work out the address
kinda worrying how people don't think about the info they post online...
is there a way to make flash not suck across rdp?
is there a way to disable local logins while leaving RDP enabled?
 
4:29 AM
that last one might be a real question....
 
@Wesley No, haven't made much progress. Should have time to pursue that more later this week.
 
sounds like VNC is the way to go
 
@Magellan I made it through half of the Nov 2 Pro book.
It got hot and heavy in chapter 10 and 11, and now it's switching up to a massive project that ties it all together, before then heading into the last half of web development with RoR, Sinatra, etc. and appendices.
It's a bit more advanced than me... okay, a lot. So I'm going to hit pause, go into Why's for a fun break. Then maybe Ruby the Hard Way / Code School
 
5:24 AM
<3 office couch
<3 bounty
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A: dig lookup not returning namservers

Falcon MomotA recursive DNS resolver requires that the information it recursively acquires is authoritative to return it as a response to a query; it does not make inferences. Authority is established in DNS using SOA and NS records. The former is used to establish authority among authoritative servers, an...

 
@FalconMomot The least he could do is spell the dang title right.
 
@Wesley true. but he gave me a bounty!
 
@FalconMomot And I tossed another upboat into the sea.
 
I saw. thanks!
I haven't serial-upvoted someone in a while
 
Ergh - my entire body is throbbing.
Vicious two weeks of heavy lifting, and no amount of whey, creatine, and green tea can recover me fast enough. I think I need to take a few days off.
 
5:27 AM
I need to hit the gym again sometime
all this stress lately has been stressful.
 
@FalconMomot So Mr. Canada, what's a "Pro D Day"?
 
the time I would otherwise spend at the gym I've been spending visiting my mom in the hospital. tomorrow looks like that too.
 
@FalconMomot Oh no! What's up?
 
@Wesley could it be professional development? never heard that one before.
 
@FalconMomot Another Canadian friend mentioned that today was a pro-d day, so she had to pick up the kids from her nanny job a little early.
And I wasn't going to ask her what that meant lest I look stupid.
 
5:29 AM
@Wesley ma got a brain tumor the size of a tennis ball (benign, thank god), but somehow the surgery caused a bunch of her digestive tract to stop working, so they've fixed that, but it got infected, and......
 
In here, you already know I'm an idiot, so I don't have to save face.
 
yeah
on and on and on
 
@FalconMomot D=
 
@Wesley oh. professional development days are days teachers go to conferences instead of teach, so school is out (sometimes early, sometimes all day)
they were really nice as a student but they are probably hell on parents :)
 
@FalconMomot Ahh, nice concept.
 
5:30 AM
@Wesley indeed. it's not nice. happens eventually to everyone I guess though.
 
@FalconMomot Hey, people know how they become parents. If they don't want to deal with the kids, slam it in a drawer. =P
 
@Wesley there are way better ways to accomplish that >.>
and ones that require only a doctor's visit, not a trip to emergency with a giant occlusion.
man... they would balloon up to 4 or 5 times their size and then start necrotizing
 
@FalconMomot Reminds me of how my grandfather would neuter the farm cats.
 
@Wesley Why the devil would you neuter farm cats? You want as many of them as possible.
 
Cat head first in a cowboy boot up to the hips, super tight rubber band thing in a pair of pincers, roll them above the testies and remove the pincers. ZOT!!
@FalconMomot You don't want them all boinking and making hundreds of the things.
 
5:34 AM
he banded them? he was really nice.
our cows got the headlock and a knife.
 
Zoinks.
Balls fall off like dried raisins after a while.
It's weird.
 
and then we doused it all with this really vile-smelling antiseptic-coagulant stuff
hmm
well, they do, eventually
but until then, the bulls were all really fucking angry and noisy
 
@FalconMomot Yeesh. Blood everywhere I assume?
 
and would behave very oddly
 
@FalconMomot Ride 'em cowboy.
 
5:35 AM
this lasted like... 2 weeks?
and it often got infected or maggoty, which was a problem
so as a rule we just lopped them off.
 
Samarai style!
WAH CHING!
 
with cats I'd imagine the yowling would wake you up all the time
 
Yeahhhh, they'd run off into the back forty and think about their life I guess.
 
@Wesley what? god no. they would sit there yowling until their balls fell off.
 
@FalconMomot Heeeere kitty...
 
5:38 AM
unless maybe they don't feel it like cows do or something
 
Really, there are better ways. But this is also a man who de-skunked skunks at home.
 
I have no idea at all how to de-skunk a skunk.
 
Neither do I.
Apparently you rip the glands out of their anus or something.
 
but if I did, I wouldn't. They are really good to have around as they cover up the smell of weed.
 
They're cute animals if you can domesticate them.
They always smell funky though.
 
5:40 AM
no shit :P
 
@FalconMomot There's a reason why a good bag is called "skunk" =P
 
@Wesley Yes, there is. not many people can differentiate between weed and actual skunks.
 
I think he also nursed barn bats back to health before releasing them.
 
what? bats are to be exterminated.
 
5:40 AM
@FalconMomot I never really did - if something was really bitter smelling I'd just say "whew, skunky!"
@FalconMomot They eat mosquitos. =(
 
@MilesErickson that's new
 
Happens every time I try to log in on my iPhone. Apparently, that's now categorically suspicious.
 
And other bugs.
 
@Wesley oh, true, but dragonflies do that too and their shit isn't poisonous and they don't carry rabies.
 
Now, if you're a fruit farmer, then bats can really be a downer.
This was acreage with cows, horses, and walnuts though. Nothing fruity.
 
5:41 AM
I'd expect so, as I believe they also nom bees.
 
Oh and ducks.
Didn't know that about the bees.
 
we had... rape and wheat.
and cattle.
 
Oh nice.
 
and later, chickens
 
Chickens, I forgot about the chickens. Not many. Just enough for some hearty breakfasts. Hobby, really.
I want goats.
 
5:42 AM
Which, in a way, I get. Logging in from an iOS device rightly ought to put me under suspicion of being a dumbass.
 
rape is really pretty
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@FalconMomot Oh you said that on purpose.
 
pretty much
 
@FalconMomot I like how they named it "Canola Oil."
 
@MilesErickson +1
 
5:43 AM
Because "rape oil" doesn't seem very consumer friendly.
 
@Wesley unprocessed rapeseed oil is toxic. canola oil has been processed.
 
@Wesley Well, and the original name "rapeseed oil" just sounds really awful.
 
@MilesErickson "Could I interested you in some fine rape oil?" TASER
 
@FalconMomot MMMM.... ALLERGIES.
Looks like mustard seed almost.
 
5:45 AM
@Wesley you're allergic to rape?
 
Or goldenrod.
 
it does look a little like mustard but the flowers are taller
 
@Wesley It basically is mustard seed, or a relative thereof.
 
Isn't it way past your bedtime guys?
 
5:45 AM
@FalconMomot I was allergic to lots of wheaty things. I'm better now. Just dogwood, cherry trees and some other trees.
@pauska Lick me.
 
@pauska What do you take him for, a golden retriever?
 
@Wesley I'm allergic to grass (boring old grass like the city plants, not the nice kind) and aspen.
@pauska I don't often go to bed before 0230h. I have horrible trouble sleeping if I try.
 
6:18 AM
@FalconMomot You're one of those people
If I'm not in bed by 10.30 I'm likely to fall asleep wherever, whenever
 
@MarkHenderson oh, if I'm not in bed by about 10 AM that will occur.
 
@FalconMomot what do you do in bed then?
You can't whack off for 4.5 hours straight. Not unless you're 16.
 
so noexec isn't that helpful... hmmm
 
@MarkHenderson What? I sleep >.>
 
@FalconMomot You said you don't go to bed before 2.30am
Oh wait
 
6:20 AM
@MarkHenderson yes. I don't go there until then.
 
You said 10AM
 
Haha
Fuck you even more then
 
I also don't commonly leave there before like 11 AM
 
I haven't slept in past 7.30 for years, and my normal getup time has been 6.30 for even longer. Used to be 5.15
 
6:21 AM
I set my alarm for noon meetings.
 
How does that work for work?
 
I'm there now.
 
@FalconMomot So you start work at midday and work until night time?
 
actually I think it's been 8 hours, though I've hardly accomplished anything. today was office furniture buying day.
 
(I have no idea what time it is where you are, so that doesn't help)
 
6:23 AM
@MarkHenderson oh. yeah, pretty much. it's 0023h here.
 
@FalconMomot fwiw I'm about to go home too in 7 minutes
But that's because its the end of the work day
 
heh
I have parity with... UK people?
 
I used to work like that in my last job.. got up at 10-ish every day, and worked till around 20:00 every day
it's not something I'd like to do again.. you get so much more out of the day if you get up early..
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see, if I try to get up early like everyone else does I feel like shit all day and get absolutely nothing accomplished.
before I go home, I think I'd like to answer this question: what does it mean for a chunk of memory to be full of a particular pattern?
then I will have worked a 10 hour day, having implemented a major feature, done knowledge transfer, identified two giant bugs, sat around in meetings, and bought furniture.
 
@pauska especially once you realise there is more to life than work
 
6:27 AM
There is?!?!
 
@ewwhite go cycle
 
@Iain oh, I get that out of the way before I come in usually...
 
@FalconMomot I prefer to get work out of the way first
 
like lots of other people I go to the gym before work, but that's at like noon.
it's all a matter of preference
and, to an extent, biology.
 
@FalconMomot it's amazing how biology changes as you get older
 
6:29 AM
as I understand, most people left to keep their own schedule will get up sometime between 8 and 9 every day?
hmm, maybe. I'm in no rush, myself.
 
the human nature is to get up when the sun gets up
 
@FalconMomot you'll get there at the same speed as everyone else
 
probably.
 
I wake up at 5:45, so good morning
Not that I like to, but I need to do so if I want to be at the office at 8:00
 
@dawud I would if I could.
 
6:35 AM
Thing is, if you get used to it, it feels good
 
@Iain I hear some people make livable wages in exchange for work.
@dawud I believe it. I just cohabitate with people that are not that way, and it's a small enough and noisy enough household to where we all have to largely keep the same kind of schedule.
...and apropos enough, I'm going to bed.
 
Morning
 
@Wesley good night, cat
@JennyD morning
 
@dawud I did it for a couple months during military training... at no point did it feel good. acceptable maybe, sort of.
nevermind that I threw up my breakfast twice a week due to feeling nauseous from waking up too early.
I don't mind if other people want to get up at 3 in the morning, but when they say I should too, I tend to growl.
 
@FalconMomot heh, it feels good only when it's one's choice. I remember a short period (~3 months) of time I had two jobs. I woke up at 5:30 to satrt 1st job at 7:00AM, finished 1st job at 6:00PM, then 2nd job from 7:00PM to 1:00 or 2:00 AM. Crazy. I didn't like to wake up early and I feel dizzy too.
And all that suffering to make quite less money than I'm making now (not that now is that great, neither).
It's funny when I recall that job. I used to install windows. _Actual windows_
 
6:52 AM
@dawud Is that the logo for the next version of Windows?
 
@MichaelHampton Yeah, Windows CE/ME/NT
 
@dawud Ooooo, they're bringing it back?
 
"Google had initially billed its first "Google Fiber" broadband offer, launched in Kansas City, Missouri, last year, as a test project to spur development of new Web services and technology. But it has since suggested that high-speed Internet could be a viable business for the company, causing traditional broadband rivals such as AT&T to prepare a response." reuters.com/article/2013/10/01/…
Lucky Texans.
 
@MichaelHampton The fact is I never ever touched a Windows OS before '98, though I remember a room mate had '95. I have never ever owned a Windows OS. I once bought a laptop that had Vista preinstalled. I turned it on and say ewwww and toss Debian on it. It is kinda sad. Now I lack any knowledge about AD, GP et al.
 
@dawud Believe me: being a Windows virgin makes you clean.
 
6:59 AM
@MilesErickson Well, I have used Ubuntu
 
the world seems to be slowly moving away from windows to some extent anyway
also: all the exploit dev I do targets windows, and all the software dev I do targets linux :P
 
Rest assured, someone else is developing exploits for your software.
 
I wish them the best of luck.
 
No strcpy() in your code?
 
I think in this entire program there are a grand total of 5 times dynamic memory is allocated at all.
and no, but if there were, it'd be strncpy()
 
7:07 AM
I think that people are moving away from Windows as a desktop platform @FalconMomot - less sure about moving away from it as a server platform, oddly enough, though if Microsoft keep moving services into the cloud then they'll make it irrelevant themselves.
 
I think that trying to find exploitable bugs in software written by code auditors is a recipe for a rough day :P
@RobM I see a lot of people using windows servers to manage windows workstations and very, very little else.
 
but really rewarding when it happens.
 
well, that and webapps written for IIS
but for sure linux seems to be the preferred platform for server software intended for wide distribution
also, some recent advances in IPC in linux don't have an equivalent in windows, if I recall
though that isn't something I touch often.
 
I see a lot of Exchange, as that's still a good mail platform from a user's perspective
And MS SQL is pretty decent.
 
@FalconMomot I'd like your input in Q I wrote for SEC.SE
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Q: SELinux and text relocations exploitability

dawudI have been assigned the task of adopting and implementing a certain backup software solution for our GNU/Linux farm. As per my deparment defined requirements, this solution should support SELinux enabled systems to be valid. After a not too thorough research, it was quite obvious that this produ...

do you think text relocations can be an entry point for exploitability so as to be elegible for a CVE?
 
7:10 AM
@RobM I do see a lot of exchange, yeah. I'd really like to see some standards for groupware a la SMTP/IMAP; then, exchange will start to die.
@dawud it depends? let me take a look.
 
The problem is that most of the 'exchange alternatives' I've seen are written by people who essentially think "Exchange sucks, we just need to throw together some imap and some caldav and... then profit"

I think a better exchange alternative would be written by people who _love_ exchange, but just think it could be cheaper or do *x* better than it currently does.

And MS have done a lot of good work in this area that needs to be caught up with: Microsoft's EAS protocol has actually become something of a de-facto standard for a lot of mail systems that want to connect to smartphones and tab
 
On what planet is EAS good work?
 
on planet giving results to end users...
 
Point. But, it is such a mess.
Did Microsoft ever bother to implement the full feature set in their own phone operating system?
 
Not sure, but I think that their problems there are more to do with their phone division being run with fuckwits than anything else.
 
7:18 AM
Last I checked, Apple had the most complete implementation, despite that their implementation was incomplete. That's pretty ridiculous.
Well, that's probably quite true.
In the past year or so, I observed a Windows-devout MSP switching, with excitement, from Android phones to new Windows Phone 7 devices.
That lasted about a week, and then there was a scramble to get them all returned before the 14-day time limit expired.
 
Yeah. Windows phone 7 isn't very good.
I understand Windows 8 phones are better, but still not what I'd choose personally. I like my iphone...
 
I like your iPhone, too.
 
@dawud no, in this case, definitely not.
 
And the iphone has good re-sale value. I sold my 4s for most of the price I paid to get a 5s on contract. The person who got my 4s sold their 4 for 2/3 of what they paid me for the 4s.
 
mmm I like my Meego Harmattan N9. Now it's all vintage: the software and the hardware.
 
7:26 AM
Believing that Exchange will die if there is an open standard to sync is kind of thin....
 
Exchange is highly unlikely to die, unless certain hosted services destroy its reputation.
 
if you're going to put out a CVE there has to be an actual vuln; text relocations alone are not exploitable ever really.
 
or the simple fact that the product, in conjunction with Outlook and Lync, works ten times better than any other alternative
 
any more than executing code is exploitable inherently.
@pauska one of the biggest reasons people don't use IMAP and CalDAV is that the integration is rather spotty, I find, aside from vendor lockin
exchange is really, really tightly integrated.
you can do stuff like email people contacts and meetings, which you can kind of do with caldav but it doesn't often work in practice I find.
 
@Pauska Ten times better than Google Apps? That's a stretch. I'm currently with a Google Apps organization, and the overall experience is worlds better than an Exchange + Outlook environment.
@pauska User experience, that is.
 
7:30 AM
yeah, google does a very good job of it, if you're OK running all that in a browser
 
@FalconMomot thank you for reviewing it.
 
@MilesErickson AOL. I greatly prefer using our own Google Apps stuff rather than the client's Exchange thingies
 
@dawud no, I'm glad to. I fear my answer is pretty close to the existing one though.
I also find that there isn't really an activesync replacement, on the topic of exchange, that works well for all of contacts, emails, and meetings
you can kind of piece together a failure-prone patchwork that works with some mobiles and not others
 
As in, if I ever went back to working full-time for an Exchange+Outlook+Sharepoint organization, I would immediately miss Google Apps.
There is no way that Sharepoint can match the ease of use of Google Drive, even considering that most of us still use MS Office apps and not Google Apps when we're composing and sharing documents.
 
of course, if you happen to use S/MIME, you might find a very good reason to avoid windows phone right now
 
7:32 AM
Sharepoint is certainly a bit of a mess
 
@MilesErickson sharepoint is hardly even the same type of thing as google drive...
or google docs
 
@FalconMomot Right, but it ostensibly serves the same use case (enhancing collaboration within an organization). Only it doesn't.
 
sharepoint is like... a really badly implemented RCS for documents combined with a repository plus some aspects poached from notes such that you can create "applications" that run on it as a platform, but they break compatibility all the fucking time
and yes, it's part of microsoft's groupware solution, but it falls seriously short.
 
@FalconMomot it shouldn't be but Microsoft have this idea in Office 365 that "skydrive Pro" should be implemented by giving everyone their own sharepoint document library.
 
the only value I find it provides at all is that it prevents messes of shared folders with miles-long filenames full of gibberish and metadata.
 
7:34 AM
Yup.
 
it's not as fully featured as notes databases and it's not even close to as collaborative as google docs.
really all sharepoint is though is a notes-killer.
(which it unfortunately does badly)
I've also had the distinct displeasure of deploying a test environment with forefront identity manager, which uses sharepoint as a platform for reasons I can't discern
I still don't understand why, for a microsoft product, I had to write my own custom integration with AD and use a specific version of sharepoint because there was no backwards/forwards compatibility.
the only system in the environment besides FIM was AD, and it took me two weeks to implement.
 
yeah we're currently in the middle of a big project to implement FIM, sharepoint 2013 and Office 365. Now you know why I've been grumpy lately ;-)
 
aiee
FIM is garbage
 
FIM: Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme?
 
I hate to plug a product I've worked on in the past, but if there is still time see if you can evaluate hitachi ID identity manager
 
7:44 AM
it's the tool of the devil.
 
if your use case is one of the use cases the CTO thinks are important, it's literally turnkey
 
I'll look at it @FalconMomot and thanks though I suspect the project is too far down the rabbit hole for me to change part of the platform now.
 
@RobM I've actually seen people dump half-finished IAM projects that have been in progress for a year or more to move to it.
of course, I've also seen a couple disasters where people have dumped it
I've also seen the password management variant of it (much cheaper, I understand) deployed alongside FIM.
 
right
 
self-service password reset is one of those awesome things that in practice fails due to relying on users to not be imbeciles
though perhaps it is nice for those rare people smart enough to use SSPR but dumb enough to forget their password.
 
7:52 AM
@FalconMomot yes... keeping in mind that I'm in education and the vast majority of our users are either lecturers or students. Two groups that are not usually renowned for being technology savvy, outside of facebooking and playing games for the students, of course.
 
@RobM I recall working with the U of Illinois or something on their SSPR deployment while I was in support there? they seemed to quite like it.
it's nice to not have users hunting down the helpdesk for lockouts
but really that kind of thing is more helpful when you have a business where everyone starts at 9 AM and on 9 AM on Monday literally a quarter of the staff immediately call for a password reset.
 
Dan
What's up, defenders of my sanity!
 
doom, you?
man, I kind of want to stay up until 5 AM today, but on the other hand I have stats class at 3 PM
 
Dan
I go to bed at like 10:30pm!
 
right. I've emailed the other people on this project to mention the hitachi solution anyway.
morning @dan
 
7:55 AM
that case where I have a much lower estimation of my competence to do my job than my boss does, and I decide to take courses.
 
Dan
@RobM Morning dude
 
10 minutes til the BF4 beta starts...I'm in work for the next 9 hours D:
 
@Dan same here, if I don't I won't be able to get anything done the next day.
<----is an old lady
 
@RobM Good luck dumping FIM, man. I kind of wish I was still over there so I could show it off.
 
cheers @FalconMomot right now I'd settle for a working solution whatever it was built on.
 
7:56 AM
while I was there I significantly shaped the development process through the sheer volume of bug reports and feature requests I filed; I'm kind of proud of that thing :)
 
Dan
@JennyD Same - I'm really more of an evening / night person, but if I stand any chance of getting up on time and being vaguely productive then I have to go to bed early
 
these youngsters and their not needing sleep eh?
 
@RobM story of identity management bro
 
true enough
 
Does anyone know if site-linked GPO's take precedence over GPO's linked against an OU?
 
7:57 AM
ack, that's a hard one.
I'd suspect so, but you should look at the docs.
 
Dan
@pauska Site gets processed second, after local doesn't it? So no?
 
@Dan Yep - when I was off from work this summer I usually got to bed by midnight-1 am, or later
 
@Dan I don't know if site is before or after OU..
 
Dan
@pauska Before, OU is always last AFAIK
 
You just said "site gets processed second"
 
Dan
7:58 AM
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc785665(v=ws.10).aspx

Although that does say applicable to 2003, but I'm presuming it's the same?
 
:((((((((((
 
Dan
@pauska Local processed first, then site, then domain, then OU. So, if there are conflicts, OU always gets final say
 
but that should apply. thanks.
 
Dan
At least that's how I always understood group policy precedence
 
7:59 AM
using computer groups to filter out delegation on GPO is one fucking nightmare
 
@Dan is indeed correct
 
turns out that computers have to reboot to realize that they're in a security group
 
@pauska of course they do
 
@FalconMomot why is that "of course"?
 
that's when the computer account authenticates.
 
Dan
8:00 AM
@pauska Yep - cos it's only sorted out at authentication
@FalconMomot I hate you
 
well I belive it's a bullshit design from MS
they should refresh this in the background
 
Dan
I'm inclined to agree
But isn't the same for users?
 
yes, they should, but... yes, it's the same for users.
 
yes, but a user can just log on and off..
the difference is that I have to tell 20 users to reboot their PC.. that's danger zone for Joe Schmoes
 
Dan
8:01 AM
Well, I suppose technically that's what a computer reboot is. but yeah, I know what you're saying and it is irritating
 
instead of them just logging out like they do every day
 
@pauska can you reboot it remotely?
 
Dan
Of course, since users lie about this stuff it makes it hard too. "Did you reboot since we last spoke." "Yeah" "But did you really?" No."
 
I've had to do that before in level 2 support
because there are the ones that lie about it, and the ones that think it means log out and in again
and the ones that do a hard reset all the time
 
We've been trying to learn users how to log out from a terminal server for 3 years
they still disconnect
so no, I'm not going to ask them to reboot
I just have to redesign my beautiful GPO setup
 
8:03 AM
what was it... shutdown /r /t:0 /m:computername or something?
 
site links are great :(
You don't want to use /t:0 unless you hate your users.. some of them could be working
 
@pauska this was on the phone with them
they got lots of verbal warning
 
yeah, but in this situation it doesn't work that way..
 
yeah, I'm sure
it was an anecdote, not a solution :P
 
Dan
@pauska I'm sure you can prevent disconnect in GPO. It still lets them if they click "x" on RDP, though if that's what you mean
@pauska C'mon, we all know that none of them are working
 
8:08 AM
@Dan We want users to be able to disconnect to move offices etc (they do lots of it here)
 
Dan
@pauska Ah
 
I haven't even played halo 4, but this is really mesmerizing..
 
Dan
I think I need to go back to bed
Wasted 5 minutes looking at a connectivity issue that turned out to be me plugging in the wrong network cable (On a build so the room is a mess), and now I've just spent an age scratching my head when trying to connect to FTP rather than SFTP :(
 
8:26 AM
@Dan yeah - bed is the best solution for that
 
@pauska I still think Halo: ODST had some of the best music in the Halo series.
 
that feeling when you're waiting to see if your critical fix worked.
and, that much more awesome feeling when it did.
:D
 
8:46 AM
Morning
 
Dan
Sup @Cole
 
4:47AM here
I fell asleep at 8:30PM o_O
 
Dan
I don't know how you people live like that!
 
hey cole
how's Jenna?
 

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