The Comms Room

12:17 AM

@MichaelHampton Please update us when Google implements that functionality. Often times, on Windows platforms, an HRESULT is returned as exit status which, when cast to int, overflows and presents it self as a negative number.

Michael Hampton

12:30 AM

@jscott Click the star and you'll be notified of any new answers. :)

jscott

Jessica S' reply from December 2012 was heartening, until I noticed the "This topic is no longer open for new replies due to inactivity. If you'd like to post a message, please search for a more recent topic above or post a new question." banner.

Michael Hampton

Sounds like you want to become a sysadmin in a hurry. This isn't as close to picking up a new language as it is to starting over at Hello World. At this point this is really both a request for a product recommendation and overly broad. Consider TomTom's answer, and also consider hiring a sysadmin. — Michael Hampton 35 mins ago

@jscott Yeah, I also saw that. Fucking stupid forums.

jscott

That might be the first time I've read the words "Consider TomTom's answer".

Falcon Momot

@jscott Sane people convert to hex first

jscott

12:48 AM

@FalconMomot Certainly, if executing said applications from the command line (or as a service) provided this option. :)

Falcon Momot

if you have to, you type the number into a calculator program and convert it.

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton This is stupid, no?

Falcon Momot

there is no excuse at all for copying out the number cast to int and trying to google that.

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Kind of. If he really needs 10Gbps, he'll already have data to work with, such as large numbers of users requesting large files...

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton I don't understand what he's trying to prove. I'd recommend a test file and wget, but yeah, it's a little off.

almost, "I want to prove that the connection is really 10Gbps"

Michael Hampton

12:50 AM

@ewwhite You'd need a humongous test file and a very short network path.

And to seriously jack up the TCP window size.

ewwhite

Yeah, that was something I had to learn on my own...

I'd have these 1Gb and 10Gb lines between Chicago and NY... and users wanting to scp things across them...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite And of course they ran sloooooooow.

ewwhite

"why are we getting 1MB/sec transfer speeds?!?"

Michael Hampton

Bandwidth-Delay Product.

ewwhite

same thing at work now... we're 10GbE between locations... and people are trying to copy virtual machines from NY to SF...

using scp...

Michael Hampton

12:55 AM

Set the window size to a few megabytes?

bradhedlund.com/2008/12/19/…

ewwhite

Oh, I know... just happened to observe it in action.

Michael Hampton

That reminds me, I need to puppetize that.

ewwhite

good thing to puppetize.

I want to puppetize the calculation of load threshold for the Monit config files I distribute to systems.

jscott

@FalconMomot The problem being countless others have already copy/pasted the error message/code, verbatim, into their forum of choice.

ewwhite

e.g. a server with 2 CPUs should have a different threshold than one with 16 CPUs.

Falcon Momot

12:58 AM

@jscott In my experience, if you see it in decimal, you're not going to see a useful reply very often :P

because in the MSDN where they are described, they are cast to 16 bit unsigned shorts, and written in hex as well as decimal

Michael Hampton

And sometimes, the number truly is, against all expectations, a negative number.

Falcon Momot

when I was supporting some software a while ago, I really had two tricks that made me useful on the team...

source review, and translating / looking up windows error codes.

turned some very bad days into "hmm, you fell off this case block - let me beat the dev with a bat and get a patch for you" and "oh, that one means your disk is full"

jscott

@MichaelHampton You may be one of the only other SFers I know which run Zenoss.

Michael Hampton

@jscott Actually I scrapped it and went to Zabbix.

ewwhite

No OpenNMS love.

Michael Hampton

1:01 AM

@ewwhite I like simple things.

Falcon Momot

it's really amazing how few flags there are on this site

jscott

@MichaelHampton Is Zabbix much better? We have Zenoss as the former Network Admin (now Director) liked Zenoss. I've half-assed a ZenPack or two, but I find it very fragile and quite a bit to manage.

Michael Hampton

@jscott As I just mentioned, I like simple things. My main problem with Zenoss was indeed the ZenPacks. The ones I could find were often old and unmaintained and didn't work with 4.x at all, and I couldn't go to 3.x for various reasons. (Like IPv6.) It also seemed like the community around Zenoss had kind of dried up and shriveled away.

ewwhite

What is the monitoring solution with the most momentum these days?

or is everyone rolling their own?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite Nagios, of course. Then again it's had over a decade of momentum...

Hell, half the monitoring solutions out there are forks of Nagios or frontends to Nagios.

jscott

1:04 AM

Oh wow, Nagios, I keep reviewing other options every time I try to scope getting Nagios off the ground.

ewwhite

I've only had Nagios in one environment... and maybe for ~30 hosts.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson also uses Zabbix, I think.

ewwhite

it crashed a trading environment hard and I swore off of it.

Michael Hampton

I got sick of looking at Perl.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I do

We use Zabbix quite extensively, although I only use 2-3 features of it extensively

ewwhite

1:11 AM

@MarkHenderson Agentless, right?

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Actually I prefer agent-bsed

But yes it can do agentless

Depending on what you want to monitor

Michael Hampton

Zabbix does speak SNMP but I find it much nicer to pull custom data with the agent

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton It speaks IPMI too, but early versions could not read discreet data; although that's been fixed in later versions

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I have a 2.0 server and a mix of 2.0 and 1.8 agents

Mark Henderson

So I monitor mundane things like PSU wattage consumption via the IPMI

@MichaelHampton Same, I haven't had any issues with using the 1.8 agents on v2

ewwhite

1:14 AM

Well, I think the diminishing discussion about monitoring systems is because people seem to care about application availability rather than discrete host information.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I have one issue, I can't get load average out of the 1.8 agents. It apparently was implemented in 2.0

@ewwhite That's where having an agent that can query the application and get detailed metrics comes in really handy.

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite I care about both; depending on what service you are monitoring you can do plenty of agentless things.

I've written scripts to monitor the status of DFS namespaces, along with which DFS node certain servers are using (as sometimes they switch to a node that's on the other end of a VPN)

Michael Hampton

Hell, I have 14 different graphs just for memcached.

ewwhite

interesting

Michael Hampton

This is the sort of stuff I couldn't figure out how to do with OpenNMS.

jscott

1:27 AM

All this talk, you guys will have me testing Zabbix tomorrow morning.

Mark Henderson

@jscott I was really really skeptical of it; I first adpoted it 4 years ago against all the advice that I use Nagios

I tried Nagios and rage quitted it after about 3 days of getting nowhere

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Hell, I ragequit Nagios after less than a day! Every time!

Mark Henderson

Within 8 hours of installing Zabbix I had every critical point monitored

@MichaelHampton I gave it a good chance because that's what everyone uses, and if everyone else uses it, maybe I'm just really really dumb

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Yeah, everyone uses it, so there must be something there, right? Turns out it's just that it was the first of its kind and has been around forever.

jscott

@MarkHenderson I could say the same with Zenoss, but that doesn't mean I want to stick with it.

Mark Henderson

1:30 AM

I'm sure once Nagios is bootstrapped and running it's great. It's just getting there...

@jscott Haha well the only times I've wanted to ragequit Zabbix is with SNMP traps

Michael Hampton

@jscott I actually stuck with Zenoss for a while. But the amount of work I had to put into it was TOO DAMN HIGH

jscott

Am I wrong? Is there not a auto-discover (in Zenoss term "modeling") mode of Nagios?

Michael Hampton

@jscott I think it's only in the paid version.

jscott

@MichaelHampton Amen brother, I've learned too much of Python because of Zenoss, I want out.

Michael Hampton

I also tried THAT (Nagios XI). Ragequit that too

jscott

1:32 AM

So, you've all sold me. Fire up a Zabbix VM in the morning. I do appreciate the input.

Michael Hampton

How about awk?

@jscott I think you'll be surprised. You can pretty much write anything you want. For instance here's an agent config for MySQL.

# For all the following commands HOME should be set to the directory that has .my.cnf file with password information.

# Flexible parameter to grab global variables. On the frontend side, use keys like mysql.status[Com_insert].
# Key syntax is mysql.status[variable].
UserParameter=mysql.status[*],echo "show global status where Variable_name='$1';" | HOME=/var/lib/zabbix mysql -N | awk '{print $$2}'

# Flexible parameter to determine database or table size. On the frontend side, use keys like mysql.size[zabbix,history,data].

jscott

Three lines to config it? That seems sane-ish.

Mark Henderson

@jscott To do custom checks, it's sometimes as simple as UserParameter=dfs.root,dfsutil diag viewdfspath \\enets.local\files|find /I "resolves to"

Michael Hampton

On the server side you stuff all the stuff you're interested in into a template (or better yet, use someone else's!)

Mark Henderson

That returns to Zabbix the DFS root that a server is using

Checking if Windows is activated? UserParameter=windows.activated,cscript %WINDIR%\system32\slmgr.vbs -xpr|find /c "activ"

jscott

1:38 AM

Cool. This should be a fun Monday.

Michael Hampton

@jscott The really nice thing is, if there's something you want to monitor, someone's probably already written everything you need, and you just drop it in.

jscott

@MichaelHampton Yeah, Boss told me that same thing about Zenoss. :)

Michael Hampton

@jscott Yeah, and Nagios supposedly holds the same promise. Only here, it's true :)

I've probably changed three lines in agent configs, and maybe added a couple of my own triggers for things I want my phone to blow up about.

Mark Henderson

^ Really, really easy to get perfmon items into Zabbix too

MDMarra

Sup bros?

Michael Hampton

1:46 AM

@MDMarra It's the Zabbix Hour!

MDMarra

Yuck.

I guess it's better than Nagios

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra What isn't better than Nagios?

MDMarra

Icinga

Michael Hampton

Icinga is just a damn fork of Nagios.

MDMarra

That only works sometimes

Michael Hampton

1:47 AM

Right.

jscott

@MarkHenderson Bookmarked, thanks.

ewwhite

2:22 AM

It's alive!!!!

(will it crash and burn?)

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite The web site, or Obamacare?

ewwhite

I just realized that the backend for this was in a bad vmware situation

spent the past 90 minutes fixing it up

the website...

needs moar RAM...

so people worked over the weekend to add moar RAM...

Mark Henderson

@ewwhite Geezus, I bet they're glad that VMWare did away with their memory licensing model :P

ewwhite

but didn't remove the hard cluster limits... so physical RAM was doubled, but ESX cluster still had 30GB swapped out and 121GB ballooned.

I think most people don't run into this because... well, it just doesn't seem to happen to other people.

anywho, all fixed.

this particular client just asked for an additional 3TB of RAM today.

ah, good...

so simple

Michael Hampton

2:40 AM

I'm pretty sure that question has been asked before, but I can't seem to find it.

jscott

What's an additional 3TB RAM go for these days?

ewwhite

@jscott It's complex... the cluster was initially spec'd with 576GB RAM...

for the client's requirements to be a total of 4 TB now, I would have used a different class of server to accommodate that.

but I don't think they need that much RAM. There's an education problem and a engineering/sales mismatch there.

Chris S

►

Worth the first minute...

Mark Henderson

2:57 AM

Noooooo

Where is the HD pack of Breaking Bad?!

?!

C'mon internets, don't let me down now!

Got it; fucking link was broken

Andrew

3:22 AM

Any suggestions for a cheap low-power server I can run offsite backups to? the rest of our sites are backed up to head office, and so is head office...

and I want a solution before the HR manager gets my boss fired

Mark Henderson

@Andrew An all-in-one NAS like a QNAP

TS-412 or something

Andrew

can I power it down when I'm not using it? monitor it?

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Monitoring it is fine, it supports all "standard" releavant SNMP OIDs

Power it down though; well sure. I think it has WOL but does not have a BMC

Seems a bit odd to power it down though; just sounds like something else to go wrong in a backup procedure

Andrew

yeah, we're pretty much at power budget

actually, we've just started going over in the last week... hrm

Mark Henderson

@Andrew Then the solution is to get more power

Andrew

3:26 AM

last 2 days

oh it's there, we just have to pay for it

ho hum, iLO here we come

and see if vSphere is logging this

damn we are cheap, and nobody cares that it continues to cost us in the long run

Journeyman Geek

3:50 AM

@Andrew: how cheap?

I'm probably gonna get booed for this but raspberry pi + powered USB hub + external hard drives.

not particularly fast, but low power

Andrew

@JourneymanGeek if it runs linux, sure

very enterprisey, $9000 SAN and an rpi

Mark Henderson

@Andrew "Enterprisey" used to mean "Over-engineered"; it seems to have morphed into synonymous with "suckage"

Michael Hampton

4:08 AM

Wrong principal in request, my ass!

Falcon Momot

@MarkHenderson this is the consequence of underengineering and pushing crap into production before it is ready in the name of business needs I guess.

Mark Henderson

@FalconMomot Hey you know what? That's pretty much my job description!

Falcon Momot

aah, to remove value.

Mark Henderson

"Is it ready for production" "Not really; needs more testing" "How much?" "DUnno, maybe a week?" "No. Push it out tomorrow"

Falcon Momot

yeah, so you can spend 2 weeks putting out fires instead.

Mark Henderson

4:21 AM

@FalconMomot Don't even get me started

Falcon Momot

I am really happy to be in a position where if I say "you'll be sorry" and they ignore me, it incurs legal liability.

Michael Hampton

I swear I'm going to take this Kerberos realm apart piece by piece and stuff it down somebody's throat sideways.

Mark Henderson

@techno - it sounds to me like you fucked up your 301 redirect then, and the infinite loop of your redirect is the actual problem. Fix that instead. — Mark Henderson 6 secs ago

Fucking people, now I remember why I stopped answering questions

Chris S

I just got tired of the endless stream of "Spoon feed me NOW!!!!"

Mark Henderson

4:36 AM

@ChrisS Yeah

Chris S

And SF is borked for me....

I'm going to bed.

Mark Henderson

Thats exactly what just happened. "ORITE how do I do a 301?!"

Michael Hampton

4:53 AM

Oh, people.

You should have posted the complete output. This question and answer make absolutely no sense together. — Michael Hampton 55 secs ago

Magellan

FFS. That's just sad. How the hell do these people get jobs?

Mark Henderson

@Magellan I know, right. Also massive congratulations on your baby news

Magellan

@MarkHenderson thank you. Very excited and slightly terrified.

Falcon Momot

@Magellan I remember how hard it was for me to get into this field, and it really pains me to see that I had trouble and yet those people managed.

Michael Hampton

@Magellan They get jobs by BSing the hiring managers?

Magellan

5:01 AM

@MichaelHampton Apparently.

Falcon Momot

probably. I've never passed an interview wherein it looked like the hiring manager was BSable.

Mark Henderson

@Magellan Are these two going to be your first?

Falcon Momot

Twins? neat.

Magellan

@MarkHenderson They'll be her first. I have an 8 and a 12 year old.

Falcon Momot

you should name them domain and range.

Michael Hampton

5:03 AM

Sep 30 00:51:17 underground rpc.svcgssd[3479]: ERROR: GSS-API: error in handle_nullreq: gss_accept_sec_context(): GSS_S_FAILURE (Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may provide more information) - Wrong principal in request

Mark Henderson

@Magellan If I had my time again I would have done twins straight up. Massive pain in the first few years, but they won't be alone, will bug you less when they're older and most importantly, I could have got a vasectomy astraight away and not had to reset the clock 3 years later

Michael Hampton

All right, I've been at this too long.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton says the person who isn't writing JSON emitters in C at 2300h on a Sunday

Magellan

@MarkHenderson Heh. I got snipped years ago. These little ones are in-vitro.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot There's a library for that, isn't there?

Magellan

5:05 AM

Considering that I'm almost 40, that's a good thing.

Falcon Momot

honestly it would be more painful to import the library and integrate it with the build system (we also have a constraint that would force me to bundle it as a static include) than to just printf the shit

given that either way I'm converting nice structured output to JSON.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Ahh, so your workplace DOES have it share of WTFs.

Falcon Momot

the constraint is to spare the US military the need to download (and thus vet) open source software.

Journeyman Geek

@Andrew yeah, it does. And that would be amusing. Hell, you can even run a RH derviative on it. It does sip power

Mark Henderson

@Magellan Haha. Our #2 is due in April and hopefully for my 30th birthday (which will be October 2015) I will book myself in for a vasectomy

Michael Hampton

5:07 AM

@FalconMomot Oh, that's a whole five-sided building full of WTFs.

Falcon Momot

yeah... there are problems, but I wouldn't trade my problems for any other set of problems I've had.

Michael Hampton

Ha. Sure you don't want to fix my NFS server?

Falcon Momot

and also the people in that five-sided building are awesomely receptive, I find

Michael Hampton

So, you're gonna put us some backdoors in there, right?

Falcon Momot

I have a list of all the things there wasn't time to protect against, if that's what you mean, but I'm not sharing :P

Michael Hampton

5:16 AM

Of course not. You could end up internationally famous and stuck in Russia.

Or worse, stuck in the US.

Falcon Momot

I think that would be the best possible outcome of dropping 0day on the US government, yes, Snowden's fate.

also given that everyone who has worked on my software has been a security auditor I hope there aren't many vulns in it :)

Michael Hampton

5:39 AM

Aha! Today I learned what "kvno mismatch" means.

Falcon Momot

that sounds yucky.

also, all that scotch really helped me write all that JSON-shitting code

now maybe it will also help me sleep.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot It's easy to solve. It's a royal pain in the ass to figure out you have the problem in the first place.

Falcon Momot

lol

story of systems admin?

Michael Hampton

And oh, Fedora, where in hell did you hide the machine ticket cache?

Falcon Momot

it sounds like you are fighting with kerberos :(

Michael Hampton

5:53 AM

@FalconMomot Yes, that's exactly what I've been doing for the last four hours. Fortunately all is well now.

Falcon Momot

yay

yawn

Michael Hampton

Some dumbass regenerated the keytab for the nfs server. Suddenly no clients can connect. Um, that dumbass was me...

Andrew

haha github.com/mininet/mininet/wiki/…

Jenny D

6:44 AM

Morning

Michael Hampton

5

Q: How can I search Google for a negative number?

It only rarely happens, but once or twice I've found it desirable to be able to search the web for a set of search terms that includes a negative number. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any obvious way to do this. Simply including the number, e.g. -9 in the search terms will cause Google ...

google-search

What does it take to get non-stupid answers?

Jenny D

@MichaelHampton At a guess, it's about as hard as searching for a negative number...

Journeyman Geek

7:28 AM

lol

tombull89

@MichaelHampton Huh. That's why I couldn't find a meaningful answer to a SQL Server 2008 Express install issue yesterday.

The error code started -2

Journeyman Geek

oops

Michael Hampton

Now if only idiots from certain Asian countries who have no fucking clue would stop trying to answer...

Journeyman Geek

lol

ok, while its not something I would consider a proper answer..

would it work on another search engine?

Michael Hampton

Installed The Foreman tonight. Ran into one bug. Or maybe it was two.

ARE there any other search engines?

Jenny D

7:32 AM

@MichaelHampton There's duckduckgo.com, which I use

Journeyman Geek

bing dosen't seem to find anything at all

Michael Hampton

Bing isn't a search engine, it's a Microsoft prank.

Journeyman Geek

yandex finds 9 same as google

shrug looks like it is ;p

tombull89

Since having the new lap top i cannot get it to print to the [x] office. I go into find now and select but it will not load into the bar to press ok.

<- that's a helpdesk ticket I have.

I'm guessing she means it's not appearing in the dropdown menu on which printer to use, but wat.

Ladadadada

@MichaelHampton Surprising how many people didn't bother to read the question. I was thinking to suggest putting it in quotes but you already covered that.

Michael Hampton

7:42 AM

@Ladadadada I mainly posted it in a bid to embarrass Google into doing something about it. :)

Ladadadada

I'd love to see a way to run a regex over an existing set of results obtained the normal way.

Mathias R. Jessen

0

Q: What seems wrong with this bash script?

I found an initscript that for some reason insists on starting the specified application as the root user. I can't wrap my head around why it is doing this, any hints? The script runs on Redhat Enterprise Linux 5.9. #!/bin/bash # # Start/Stop apfe. # # chkconfig: - 62 38 # description: apfe #...

linux bash redhat shell

Michael Hampton

For starters, it isn't a proper init script...

Mathias R. Jessen

8:00 AM

@MichaelHampton best alternative for literal searches, but the scope is more narrow than google:symbolhound.com

Michael Hampton

@MathiasR.Jessen Wow, I put in -9 and results for kill -9 come up. I'd definitely upvote that answer.

Mathias R. Jessen

Give me a sec

@MichaelHampton go go go: webapps.stackexchange.com/a/50113/48568

Michael Hampton

I'll accept it later if nobody else comes up with a better idea (not likely, it seems).

RobM

8:16 AM

@MichaelHampton what's with the other answer to your question besides @MathiasR.Jessen's?(+1 would read again, btw, Mathias). It's like they're throwing random crap about search engines at the screen to see if anything stuck!

Michael Hampton

@RobM Read the user's profile. I think you'll see the problem.

RobM

I don't need to read someone's profile to spot a fuckwit

Michael Hampton

@RobM Yes, but this guy's profile is... chock full of WTF.

RobM

Fuck me.

It actually hurts to read that.

Michael Hampton

You didn't even get to the horrible abuse of SQL at the end!

RobM

8:24 AM

I did. That's why it hurt

there are some fools around

We0

8:52 AM

Hey guys

I have ubuntu and a ubuntu vm

I tried to share my web folder with my local machine but can't get it up

now I want to install samba and use it as a network drive rather

how do i do that? all guides show with Windows

tombull89

Not a clue. Tried asking on Ask Ubuntu?

We0

do they have a chat?

I like the guys here at serverfault

always helpful

tombull89

Ask Ubuntu General Room

Normally: General discussion around Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu & offic...

4

1

You might want to ask a question first though.

We0

thanks

dawud

9:28 AM

morning

Falcon Momot

I wonder what kind of person you have to be to set off a fire alarm at 0330.

on purpose for no apparent reason.

Jenny D

@FalconMomot A drunk one?

Falcon Momot

even drunk I would never do that.

Jenny D

@FalconMomot I used to work with a guy who managed to set fire to his own kitchen when drunk. Twice.

Falcon Momot

lol @ the person lecturing @MichaelHampton about how to use google.

@JennyD it wasn't an accidental trip; someone pulled a pull station and ran down the adjacent stairs and away.

according to witnesses, but of course nobody can find the bastard

(probably good as we'd be needing an ambulance as well as the 3 fire trucks attending)

there are a lot of things I don't like about home ownership, such as yardwork, but at least there are no communal fire alarms.

Journeyman Geek

9:35 AM

@FalconMomot: it happened again?

Jenny D

@FalconMomot Jerk. Would it be legal to put up surveillance?

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek It's happened in every condo I've ever lived in with a building-wide fire alarm, at least 4 times annually.

Journeyman Geek

heh

/me has no idea if our building has a fire alarm

Falcon Momot

@JennyD Totally legal, and also totally useless. it's hard to identify people using that footage, especially if they are someone's guests or whatever. and the cops couldn't be less interested.

@JourneymanGeek oh, we have heat detectors, and CO2 detectors, and sprinkler flow alarms, and insuite smoke alarms linked into the main system, and insuite annunciators, sometimes 3 to a suite, with strobes, and pull stations every fucking where, and.........

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: we just have air raid sirens ;p

on every. fucking. building.

Falcon Momot

9:41 AM

Heh.

wow.

we do not.

also: it turns out you can go to jail for two years for pulling a fire alarm without cause.

Journeyman Geek

(well, not every building, but enough that it feels like it)

Falcon Momot

I think I might put up a sign beside it or something, just to plead with the next guy who thinks it's a bright idea

Journeyman Geek

or wire it up to 240v

Falcon Momot

ha

it'd be 208V, 2 phase

Journeyman Geek

if its a real emergency, he'll get medical help anyway.

Falcon Momot

9:42 AM

you don't need medical help for that usually

Journeyman Geek

not from my experience.

Falcon Momot

not unless you were holding one of the sprinkler pipes in the other hand anyway

Journeyman Geek

can't underestimate stupidity

Falcon Momot

however it might stun the jackass for just long enough for someone to arrest him

I mean, since bondage is OK in polite society now (or maybe that's just hackers and punks), I'm sure everyone has a pair of cuffs lying around :P

Journeyman Geek

heh

I was thinking of a mutual friend of ours who collects them

Falcon Momot

9:44 AM

no

just no

I would not wish that on anyone, even that guy

no.

would you want to meet that in person? just... a big heap of NOPE.

ewwhite

9:56 AM

Waking up in the morning with an urge to code... What's wrong with me!?!

(okay, maybe Puppet isn't coding...)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

10:15 AM

weeeeee jetlag

Dan

@FalconMomot 208V - that's a weird supply

Falcon Momot

@Dan not at all.

Dan

@FalconMomot Apparently you're right - I don't think I've come accross it over here

Falcon Momot

@Dan whenever you have two-phase power and you combine the two phases instead of the neutral you get 1.73 times the voltage of either phase where they are equal if I recall

I really forget the specific reason why that is but it has to do with the phases being sine waves and not square waves.

or was that 3 phases and no neutral?

Dan

10:36 AM

Every day is a school day I guess :D

RobM

nevah stop learning!

Dan

Indeed

The new Google Apps Dashboard is fucking dire

I think they're losing it

Kwaio

10:55 AM

@ewwhite So, could you make up something with this regex ?

ewwhite

@Kwaio I wasn't able to...

I need to look a little deeper... there were some awful issues at work and my attention was diverted.

Kwaio

nvm. chat lags here

I think our proxy doesn't handle well the chat module

Dan

Finally got the Beetle off axle stands last week and managed to get a clean MOT

RobM

11:14 AM

one of our students managed to create a mail loop between their college account and gmail. what fun.

Mathias R. Jessen

Thanks. The other answer is out of this world :P

Q: "What brakes to choose, ABS or TCB?"
A: "Cars run fast, they use combustion engines. It's important to brake. Don't forget brake fluid"

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