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12:06 AM
@JourneymanGeek Your dog is filthy! WAP
 
@Wesley Learned one thing today. It's a right PITA setting up a PXE service to auto-install Ubuntu VMs from a CentOS host.
Actually, PXE part probably works fine. Ubuntu's the problem.
 
Sigh. The software that we pay $10,000/year for maintenance has a 500MB update that is downloading at 42KB/sc
This is going to be a long day
 
@Wesley: covered in mud. there is a difference.
 
@MarkHenderson For 10K main't you think they'd be willing to mail you the update on CD.
 
@jscott It comes from Israel so I wouldn't be too keen on the lead time :p
In other bandwidth related news... torrentfreak.com/…
 
12:26 AM
@Magellan Looked into MaaS and Juju?
 
@Wesley Nope. Want to figure this one out without using monolithic 'all-in-one' apps.
 
@MarkHenderson That's because everyone's downloading Breaking Bad and hogging up all the bandwidth in Australia.
 
a full day... not a single upvote.
I'm losing it.
 
did you guys see breaking bad last night?
 
@DanilaLadner yes but no spoilers
People in here haven't seen it yet
 
12:37 AM
oh me neither
 
:)
 
wow.. my wifes throwing a fit right now cause I don't want to buy her a new(er) truck to replace her Jeep...
 
@MattBear You're the one that put another baby in her
 
she HAS to have a Chevy, cause "everything else is a POS, and the Jeep is a broken down POS" cause it needs a new battery...
 
12:40 AM
We're looking for a new car too because of child #2
@MattBear A new jeep will also be a broken down POS
 
@MarkHenderson It's a Grand Cherokee, 4 door, decent gas mileage, very reliable
got it cause I wanted something I didn't have to work on
 
@MattBear How old?
 
its a '01
with the straight 6
so far, besides for the battery, and new tires, no problems with it
 
Well hell. Not one website I've found this afternoon documents the fact that the default ubuntu install CD kernel doesn't work with PXE and a special "ubuntu-installer" kernel and initrd image is required.
 
sold her chevy pickup to get it, because the chevy needed an exhaust system, transmission, and axles
 
12:43 AM
GrandCherokee was such a bad ass model back in Russia
 
@MarkHenderson Yep. In my case, Child #3 & #4. So I need to get something with 3 rows. Thinking a Honda Pilot at this point.
 
@MattBear Personally I have a rule - no car older than 10 years. After that age they just become money holes
 
@MarkHenderson well... at this point, im in a money hole :p
 
@Magellan Never head of a Honda Pilot
 
@Magellan Why not Mini VAN?
 
12:44 AM
@MarkHenderson Reasonably sized SUV with decent gas mileage.
 
like Odyssey?
 
and I don't have any car payments...
 
@DanilaLadner She's not ready for one. I'd love to buy an Odyssey.
 
@Magellan If you HAVE to buy an MPV an Odyssey is the way to go.
 
yeah, i have 2 kids and considering it
i have 2 small cars jetta and mazda3
 
12:45 AM
@DanilaLadner Kids suck. Otherwise I'd have a 2-seater sports car
If only they weren't so goddamn adorable
 
@MarkHenderson and a lot more money :p
 
@MattBear I'd be mortgage free :P
 
@MarkHenderson pssh, you can always go down to the park and borrow someones
 
At the rate we were repaying it we had 3 years to go before we paid off our apartment; we sold it after 2 years and doubled our mortgage to a house
 
a lot of them will get into your van if you give them candy
just put em back when they aren't cute anymore
 
12:47 AM
@MattBear calls the FBI
 
@MarkHenderson FBI... where do you think I learned that?
I kid
candy doesn't work, you gotta use video games now
 
@MattBear Lure then with GTA V
 
Whew
 
i might be wrong, but I believe that the kids is one of the best thing that can happen in one man's life.
 
Today was made of assbutts
3
 
12:49 AM
@DanilaLadner Haha yeah they are. Sometimes I just lament what I gave up for them.
 
@JoelESalas I, on the other hand, figured out how the F to get Ubuntu VMs to boot and install via PXE.
 
And they won't appreciate it for at least the next 25 years
 
@jscott Ride your motorcycle today?
 
12:50 AM
Sorry, that was for @Magellan
@Magellan yes sir! Been getting up around 0430 just so I can take the long way in to work.
 
@jscott WTF? I don't even have a pulse at that hour, pretty sure.
 
Get up early, have a nice small breakfast and coffee, read the news... shower, get dressed and geared up. On the road before 0600.
Not much traffic until closer to 0630/0700. Can't wait for the outlet bridge to open. Much nicer crossing there and running long the lake for some extra miles.
 
@Magellan Blog about it. Use mine!
 
@Wesley I need to get mine fixed up enough to be respectable.
 
@jscott I should watch that movie again.
 
12:54 AM
@jscott Wow, 4-30 is a little bit extreme.
 
@DanilaLadner That time just doesn't compute.
 
I used to wake up 5-15 for year and a half
i got a little tired of it.
 
I haven't been up at 4:30am since last winter when I had to catch a 7am place once.
 
@DanilaLadner Yeah, 0500 is about the latest I can lay in bed on weekdays. Weekends I might make it to 0600.
 
@Magellan Sounds painful
 
12:56 AM
@ScottPack One of the main reasons I still frequent chat is because so many here are way more nerdy (and smart, mind you) than I could ever be. :)
 
@JoelESalas yeah. it was irritating. Learned a lot today though. Was good.
 
@jscott It's not my "Your Face" jokes?
@jscott Doucheaerator.
 
@ScottPack Those help, they do, I've even used it around the office. People love it.
 
Oh, I nearly forgot. Hey @MarkHenderson. Have you opted in yet?
 
@ScottPack why would you need an aerator for that purpose?
 
12:58 AM
@ScottPack Opted in? For what?
 
@Magellan I'm just trying to do Douche<noun> and am running out of nouns.
@MarkHenderson Porn.
 
@ScottPack What?
 
@Magellan Carbonated, for her pleasure.
 
But my father is working already 30 years at metallurgical plant, wakes up @4, day in , day out.
 
@ScottPack bagel. canoe. bucket.
 
12:59 AM
@MarkHenderson Aren't you guys putting in a nationwide porn filter that requires you to call up your local council office and opt-in?
 
he goes to bed @9pm though.
 
@Magellan Done. To. Death.
 
@ScottPack What?
No
Not that I've heard
 
@ScottPack balogna.
 
There was some bullshit badly formed policy floating around before our recent election but it was about making anti-porn filters available for free
 
1:00 AM
Hm. Maybe translation from Aussie to English was the problem.
 
A few years ago they tried to do a great-firewall-of-china style filter but it was categorically rejected at a technical level and failed at a policy level
 
@Magellan I've been trying to avoid meat byproducts, but I may have to resort to Douchebalogna, Douchesausage, and Doucheoliveloaf before too long.
@MarkHenderson What do you mean technical level? Don't you guys have a single ISDN connection?
 
@ScottPack shuddup
But basically ISP's said "Our internet is so fucking slow already; don't make it even slower"
Also it was a thinly veiled attempt not at blocking porn, but un-regulated censorship
 
@ScottPack knife. fork. napkin.
 
@MarkHenderson How recent was this?
 
1:02 AM
Blocking porn was just how they wanted to push it through because porn is bad, mmmmkay
@ScottPack Not that recent. Maybe 2008?
Internet censorship in Australia currently consists of a regulatory regime under which the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has the power to enforce content restrictions on Internet content hosted within Australia, and maintain a "black-list" of overseas websites which is then provided for use in filtering software. The restrictions focus primarily on child pornography, sexual violence, and other illegal activities, compiled as a result of a consumer complaints process. In 2009, the OpenNet Initiative found no evidence of Internet filtering in Australia, but due to le...
 
I'm going to have to go to some shownotes and see what they're talking about then. I'm getting the feeling that media is distorting the data by the time it reaches our shores.
I know that sounds insane.
 
@ScottPack There WAS something at our latest election, but the party pulled it and blamed bad wording
And re-issued the policy as a filter provided for free to enable families to block porn on their local PC's at opt-in
 
@MarkHenderson This is recent stuff, like people are talking about it now.
It's being discussed as an opt-in to view porn.
So default deny on porn.
 
@ScottPack Nah, that's not correct
I know the UK are doing something like that
 
Cuz mammaries cause the downfall of civilization.
 
1:07 AM
@ScottPack Apparently
We have loads of boobs on the TV. It's the erect penis that our government takes offense to
 
I wish we had more boobs on TV. The most nudity I've seen on cable was David Caruso's ass.
 
> In September 2013, two days before the Federal election, the Coalition announced they would introduce an opt-out filter for all Internet connections, including both fixed line and mobile devices. This has since been retracted as "poorly worded" in a statement from Malcolm Turnbull.
> Turnbull said that "The correct position is that the Coalition will encourage mobile phone and Internet service providers to make available software which parents can choose to install on their own devices to protect their children from inappropriate material.
@ScottPack Haha after 8.30 here it's a free for all. Most a lot of Aussie-made TV shows are stacked with boobs because it's a cheap way to get ratings
 
I call shenanigans.
 
@MarkHenderson the erect penis is what you want to see???
 
@MattBear I don't find it particularly offensive
 
1:10 AM
@MarkHenderson We have to go to HBO or Showtime to see such things.
 
@MarkHenderson Great, where can I download an app that will protect me from a politician's speeches?
 
@JoelESalas On?
 
But the government does and refuses classification to anything that shows an erect penis, apart from un-classified things like science videos etc
@ScottPack Interestingly our "morality" compass seems to be more relaxed than the FCC. On commercial radio stations, only the fuck and cunt words are bleeped out, but on non-commercial stations there's no censorship of any words. TV, you can get away with something like two "shits" per hour in a PG rated show
 
@MarkHenderson hahahahahaha so they can "give two shits"
 
But when it comes to sex and video games, we are total prudes
@MattBear Very clever ;)
 
1:16 AM
Any FFXIV players here? Help this OP out:
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Q: Is there any game having very lovely game characters?

hehling hehSome players say there are many different kinds of characters in FFXIV which you can choose, and they also say the game is very easy to play. If you have played that game, please kindly share me more details of ffxiv, it will be greatly appreciated!

 
@MarkHenderson Censorship in America is weird.
 
Stupid Canonical.
@ScottPack Yeah. Gratuitous Violence is awesome. But nobody better ever say 'penis' on television.
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Oh, this is NOT good.
The sky turned a nasty greenish yellow.
 
@MarkHenderson Technically the FCC only has jurisdiction over things that are broadcast over the air in the clear. For the most part that means typical radio, public access, and 3 (or 4) television stations.
 
@ScottPack So not cable?
 
@MarkHenderson If it is only available over cable, or encrypted wireless transmission, no.
 
1:18 AM
Here they would have a lot more power, because virtually all our TV is over the air
 
Pretty much everyone on cable follows the FCC rules as if they did apply, though.
 
@Magellan Greenish yellow skies at night, sailor's, uh, well, maybe there's a vaccine for that.
 
@jscott Yeah, Greenish Yellow skies at night, what the fuck out for waterspouts.
 
@Magellan Waterspouts aren't much of a concern in Ohio.
Although, if we did get waterspouts here they would probably catch fire.
 
@ScottPack We get them on Puget Sound occasionally. But tornadoes are quite rare here anyway. But so were large thunderstorms prior to the past year or so. =/
 
1:22 AM
@Magellan Grey's Anatomy has taught me that Seattle is a terribly dangerous place to live.
 
@ScottPack Hmm. Not particularly. They're mostly just passive-aggressive.
Did the new Ubuntu release just drop or something? I went from getting 800kbps this morning to 75kbps now.
 
@Magellan But what about the bombings, the hospital massacres, the mudslides, the killer storms?
 
@ScottPack We had a show here called Blue Heelers back in the 90s. Set in a small country town but had a large police force and they were constantly arresting people for violent crimes. Must have been a horrible place to live with a high number of criminals based on the volume of work the police department had
 
@ScottPack Beats me. I quit watching the news awhile ago. The newsies in this town are a bunch of conservatives prancing around like they're earth-loving hippies.
 
Mount Thomas is the fictional setting for the Australian police drama television series Blue Heelers, which ran from 1994 to 2006. Mount Thomas is located in the state of Victoria in a very rough northern triangle with the real towns of Echuca, Swan Hill and Benalla nearby. In episode 56, the population is given on a "Welcome to Mt. Thomas" sign as 7805, although this undoubtedly grew as the series continued - large enough for a police force of six officers, a court house, a railway station and yards, hospital, primary and secondary schools, the obligatory football and cricket clubs and a...
> Mount Thomas is sometimes jokingly referred to as the 'Crime Capital of Australia' due to the constant stream of murders, thefts, kidnappings, explosions, shootings and assaults which happened on Blue Heelers on a weekly basis.
 
1:25 AM
damn gummit is shutting down
 
@Magellan Right. That's how journalists are.
 
cool
 
Well hell. Ubuntu breaks the apt sources.list when you use a local install source. It assumes that the updates are also present at that location.....
 
Funny, I thought this was the crime capital of Australia.
 
@MichaelHampton har har har
 
1:37 AM
@MarkHenderson you guys got some crazy critters
 
@MattBear Yeah,... that's not real
 
Crickey.
 
@MarkHenderson how big are they?
 
@MattBear Oh wait, what the fuck is that
I thought it looked like a blown up yabbie or something
But maybe not
 
coconut crab
 
1:40 AM
Ohh right
 
good eating?
 
haha its @Wesley with a haircut
 
He was talking about waxing earlier.
 
Stupid Ubuntu mirrors are balls slow tonight.
 
1:50 AM
Grr. Damn Ubuntu.
 
@MattBear You got a shot of one of the crabs hanging on your junk?
 
@MarkHenderson aight, what I'm understanding about Australia is that its just covered with insanely dangerous animals... Funnel Web spiders, crocs, kangaroos, enormous crabs, crazy deadly snakes like the taipan and brown snake, jack jumper ants, sharks, killer jelly fish, stinging stonefish, toxic octopi... and a whole mess of other things
 
@Wesley I'm thinking this blog post is going to turn out to be as long as your resume' series.
 
@Magellan WEEE!
 
can you go outside without big heavy boots, a shotgun, a machete, and a club?
 
1:52 AM
My mythical resume series. Shoot - I need to finish that.
 
@Wesley that is my junk....
 
@Wesley Kickstart is a right pain in the ass with Ubuntu.
 
@MattBear hmmm kind of yeah, but most of them don't live in urban areas. In urban areas you'll find funnel web spiders, redback spiders, brown snakes
In fact i've had all three of them in the past 3 years
 
and stay out of the water...
 
I have a photo of a brown snake that we found in our front yard somwhere, and I found a redback spider last week
(we've had the exterminators in since then)
@MattBear OK. We have very well established beach safety routines
If you swim at a patrolled beach, and you swim between the flags, you will be fine
 
1:54 AM
@MarkHenderson I get rattlesnakes, black widows, brown recluse, wild hogs, mountain lions, scorpion's, bears, and deer...
deer are by far the most dangerous
 
You're guaranteed to be safe, and nobody has drowned by swimming between the flags - ever, as far as I'm aware
 
@MarkHenderson Intersting, redback's are subspecies of the black widow over here. They're everywhere in socal. No one really freaks out over them because they're so solitary, but yeah if you get hammered by one you're fucked.
 
@MarkHenderson suuure you are, I read about those jelly fish, sharks, and cone fish
 
I live in the midst of gila monsters, scorpions, tarantulas, disease carrying cock roaches, black widows... but at least the waters are safe. No king fish, jellies, etc.
 
@Wesley where are you at?
 
1:56 AM
@Wesley You live in Arizona. There IS no water there.
 
@MattBear Phoenix.
 
oh snap
 
@Magellan We had water once. It was awful.
 
im thinking about moving down there
I like AZ a lot better then CA
 
@Magellan Actually, oddly, we do not have a water crisis here at all. Very progressive water system and lots of reservoirs in the mountains.
@MattBear It's nice here. Also, really cool gun laws.
PACK HEAT, DAWG.
 
1:56 AM
@Wesley yeah, im near Fresno
:p
 
I heard it rained in Arizona once, a long time ago.
 
@Wesley I have heat dawg, cant really pack it here lol
 
@MichaelHampton Most folks don't realize that we have monsoon weather patterns so in the mid summer to early fall we have pretty heavy rainfalls. It's just that all 14" of annual rainfall happen in just 10 weeks. =)
 
@Wesley Pussy. At least our rivers catch fire.
 
@Wesley Ok. I'm done. Time to switch back up to Debian.
 
1:58 AM
A short drive from here is the world's worst weather.
 
I can at least get Debian to work with Chef AND with a sane provisioning system.
 
@Wesley nothing you have will kill you in 3 minutes though... Most deadly thing you have is the rattlers, and they warn you
*usually
my cats kill rattlers around here lol, and the skunks
 
@Magellan So from "Two fisted anal" to "over-large dildo." Okay, at least you're going in the right direction. =P
 
@MattBear Ok I've been stung by jellyfish. It's not cool but it's not that bad
 
@Wesley want kind of porn are you into?!?!?
 
2:00 AM
It's the box jellyfish that are fatal - but when they find box jellyfish, there are MASSIVE RED DANGER SIGNS
 
@MarkHenderson which kind? I've been stung too
 
And there is huge bottles of vingear for neutralising the sting
 
@Wesley Yeah, the problem with redhat based stuff is that you get two options. 1) So damn new and unstable that it's still slightly warm from the developer's hands or 2) or old and dusty that you're never sure if the dependencies still work with anything else.
 
@Magellan Yeah, 5 to 6 was painful, especially if you used 5's default /boot size.
 
@MarkHenderson or pee
 
2:01 AM
@MattBear Or that
 
Real men use Gentoo!
 
I pee on everyone at the beach, just to be safe
 
^ Flagged as offensive.
 
Yes, that building is chained to the ground.
 
@MattBear *To establish dominance.
 
2:01 AM
The Portuguese man o' war (Physalia physalis), also known as the Portuguese man-of-war, Man-Of-War, or bluebottle, though often mistaken as a jellyfish, is a marine cnidarian of the family Physaliidae. Its venomous tentacles can deliver a painful sting. Despite its outward appearance, the man o' war is not a jellyfish but a siphonophore, which differs from jellyfish in that it is not actually a single organism, but a colonial organism made up of many minute individuals called zooids. Each of these zooids is highly specialized, and, although structurally similar to other solitary animal...
Apparently; not a jellyfish.
Didn't know that
 
Jellyfish are not good with peanut butter nor can they be broiled to perfection. LIES!
 
heh
@Wesley: real men use LFS on a raspberry pi.
and die of old age in the process
 
patching patching, keeps those servers patching, patching patching patching, come on!
 
@JourneymanGeek I found a good SD card to use and will use my Kindle USB power adapter for it.
 
@Wesley: I ended up getting a powered usb hub
setting up a VM for compiling stuff at the moment, its gonna be an ugly set up ;p
 
2:07 AM
@Wesley I ride dirtbikes, and 4x4'ing, and I love the desert
 
@JourneymanGeek Try compiling FreeBSD on a G4 Mac Mini.
 
im SERIOUSLY considering moving to AZ
 
@MattBear Yeah there are some good Jeep trails here.
 
@Wesley I've done some of em
 
@MattBear Be warned, the tech / IT job market here blows.
 
2:08 AM
@ScottPack: I suspect the raspi is even slower and crappier.
 
This city is consistently 20% lower in wages for IT jobs than other cities.
 
@Wesley so... 30% higher then Fresno?
 
hell, this hacked together qemu vm I downloaded subjectively feels faster
 
@MattBear That bad eg?
 
@Wesley One place I interviewed with was still working on getting one of their large deployments off RHEL4.
 
2:09 AM
@Wesley also, im thinking more north, high country
@Wesley yeah, its fresno
 
@MattBear Flag is pretty, has seasons, and also I think has some good IT jobs.
You can also hike to the top of Mount Humphreys without grapling hooks.
 
we still have some rhel3 servers around, solaris6 and tru64
 
@DanilaLadner Academia FTW! =P
 
@Wesley yeah, that's the area im attracted to
 
exCTLT.
 
2:11 AM
@JourneymanGeek It's possible.
@DanilaLadner Dec or Compaq?
 
im weird, I like desert
 
I like the lack of people
 
@DanilaLadner Good man!
@DanilaLadner We finally got rid of our last Tru64 last summer.
 
@MattBear Me too, it's really nice in the desert.
 
2:11 AM
thats seriously oldschool
 
yeah, we are in process as well
 
I can handle the hundred-and-teens temps really well.
 
tho, I guess the hardware was built to last? ;p
 
Just stay hydrated, you'll be fine.
 
@Wesley yuuup
well, same temps as here, just a little less humid
 
2:14 AM
@DanilaLadner It was a it of a nightmare. Our entire core infrastructure was based on it. Email, storage, RADIUS, hell even the kerberos realm for our AD was on a Tru64 box.
How or why they did that I'll never understand.
 
@MattBear 2% humidity is fun. =)
 
@Wesley Speaking of old crufty crap. job[-3] is still on Debian Lenny and Ubuntu 9.10. Not one single update applied since I left last year as near as I've heard from the other staff.
 
@Wesley yeah, all you need is a swamp cooler
 
@Magellan That reminds me, I should see about updating an old CentOS 5 install that hasn't been rebooted in six months...
 
@Wesley there ya go. Billable time, eh?
 
2:15 AM
yeah, we have legacy mail imap servers running there.
 
@Magellan Guess who...
 
@Wesley Ah. those guys. I wouldn't worry about that stuff until such time as they actually start paying you more than what you're putting in each week.
 
they are not very heavy used, but are used
 
@DanilaLadner Cryus?
 
I have two consistent clients. Streaming media place that has not paid a full invoice in months while they get the paywall done with the PHP dev. A small office in Colorado that pays on time every time and has since 2007. The trouble is they have to cap me at 20 hours a month, which is fine, I get it and they don't need me more than that. I have two or four other clients that pop in once in a while, but not often.

I have a steady stream of writing gigs that I could take advantage of and have done so for years. I work to chase down other clients, take care of an ailing mom, and then study t
So you can't quote a line and do multi-line text.
@ScottPack Testing, you ginger dweeb.
Dweeb.
Dweeb.
 
2:20 AM
@Wesley That's almost as annoying as your non-paying client.
 
Dammit.
WTF
Dweeb.

Dweeb.
 
Debian mirrors pushing a solid 20-25Mbps. Sweeeet.
 
Well heck, why didn't that line quote you
 
@ScottPack that one is not really legacy -)))
imap4d from gnu mailutils -)))
 
@Magellan I love this quote from the WPGtR site:
> At my local Barnes and Noble, there is a huge wall of Java books just waiting to tip over and crush me one day. And one day it will. At the rate things are going, one day that bookcase will be tall enough to crush us all. It might even loop the world several times, crushing previous editions of the same Java books over and over again.
 
2:42 AM
@Wesley Indeed. Why the hell are there so freaking many Java books anyway?
 
@Magellan Because it's so easy to get so wrong
 
Because everyone wants to use Java and doesn't mind the smell.
 
@MarkHenderson Well, I suppose if the publishers don't really care about quality.
Still got awhile to go on the download. Realized that this laptop can do movies. Time for some High Plains Drivers on the DVD.
 
cause java is the enterpricy hotness.
 
Java is value++
 
2:47 AM
god damn women..
 
no, because in java, once devs know a few libraries, a few frameworks, they think that is it, they are gods of programming and can write the book now and then retire.
 
@DanilaLadner Are you kidding? Cyrussoft went out of business a fairly long time ago.
 
oh did they?
I did not know that actually
 
@MattBear Uh oh.
@Magellan Threads and fibers are boinking my mind.
 
@DanilaLadner Oddly, it looks like his imap server is still being maintained. I know he somehow managed to get back the rights to Mulberry.
 
2:53 AM
@Wesley Yeah, I'll stick to Ruby for now.
 
@Magellan Oh this is threading and "fibers" in Ruby.
 
@Wesley Ah. Fun stuff to look forward to.
 
@DanilaLadner Ah, I'm guessing Cyrus only worked on cyrus imapd while he was at CMU so they retained ownership.
 
@Magellan Did you get to "Bindings" yet, or "scope represented as an object"?
Makes me cry.
 
yeah, because i saw the upkeep of the cyrus packages, quite often.
was a little surprised.
 
3:03 AM
And, on that note, it's time to go to bed.
Also, I left the windows open a bit too long. Now the house smells like skunk.
On the upside, if I'm very lucky it was the neighbor's dog that got skunked.
Fucking dog hears me step onto my patio and starts barking.
 
Fuck that dog
 
@JoelESalas In the ear.
 
in the nose
it is important part of dog's body
 
3:31 AM
So we're discussing how to torture rape a dog. That happened.
4
 
@Wesley that's going on the star wall, into infamy
just had to explain to the boss about the power of imaging
lol
just like I had to defend AD, and SSO, and DFS...
makes you want to cry
oh, at what point does a WSUS become useful?
 
@MattBear Whenever you decide your servers don't need whatever newest version of IE that MS is trying to cram on them now.
 
@MattBear When you have three or more Windows boxes intended to be reasonably identical.
 
@MichaelHampton is there another way to manage updates on a number of servers? Cause honestly its a pain in the ass, but just hasn't been enough of one yet for me to figure out how to push security updates
the server numbers are getting high enough though to be worth it
 
WSUS is pretty much the way.
 
3:44 AM
@MattBear You mean something exactly like WSUS but not WSUS?
I should set one up... We had IE 10 sneak on to half our Citrix farm. That wasn't fun.
 
@Tanner It hasn't crossed from "Theres gotta be a better way" to "Time to research and find the better way", until now
cause today, I've been building new images from scratch... and Windows 7/Server 2008 have a LOT of updates
 
@MattBear WSUS is a lot less painful than the horrible systems management packages that are the alternative.
 
@ShaneMadden simple enough, WSUS it is
can you approve certain updates to deploy automatically, and then later push to all machines the updates that require a reboot?
as well as store all updates locally, so that all the machines can pull them over gigabit instead of downloading from Microsoft?
have all the desktops auto update point to the WSUS server, etc...
 
@MattBear Yup, to deploy immediately (overriding the machine's schedule) you'll want to use deadlines. Otherwise, systems will pull down, install, and reboot according to their configured schedule (probably pushed to them through GPO)
 
@ShaneMadden ok, cool
I thought I knew my shit, I have a lot more to learn still lol
 
3:50 AM
@MattBear And yes, it'll download all updates and cache (at least, all of those that are approved for install)
@MattBear And yes, that'll need to be GPO setting them for that. Or registry hacks if they aren't GPO-able
 
@ShaneMadden cool, everything I have is GPO-able, I already use it quite a bit
 
@MattBear You'll need a third party patch system like Lumension
 
@MattBear That'll work then
 
@Magellan because they change it every 2 years to keep up with C#
 
man, I need another one of me
to delegate the shit that I don't want to do to, but still be able to know that its gonna get done
"Hey other me, get WSUS running, then feed the knowledge into my brain"
Tajū Kage Bunshin no Jutsu!
 
3:56 AM
Did @DennisKaarsemaker make it home safely?
 

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