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@MDMarra Mwaha, can't argue with that. I drive miles, but run 5km, 10km and 10 mile distances. My speed is in miles per hour and miles per minute, even when running km

MDMarra

plus, you drive on the wrong side of the road!

pauska

Yeah I'm not against veggie food, I just can't eat it byitself

veggie as a starter or appetizer is good

Dan

We all know Onion Bhaji are the king of veggie startes and sides

Iain

@MDMarra I still use stone but 1 cup of lightly packed coriander - how much is that (in my case it doesn't really matter - it's loads - but still)

RobM

12:19 PM

@MDMarra correct side of the road. We drive on the correct side of the road.

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MDMarra

Haha. Yeah 1 cup of coriander is a lot of coriander

Journeyman Geek

wait, leaves or seeds?

MDMarra

Did you know that in Hong Kong they drive on the right side of higher road and everywhere else in china they drive on the left and that there are intricate systems to make that exchange happen?

Iain

@JourneymanGeek leaves

Journeyman Geek

ahh, a lot but not TOO bad

Iain

12:21 PM

a cup of coriander seeds would be a huge ammount

Journeyman Geek

if it was the seeds... I'd wonder how many dozens of people you were cooking for ;)

RobM

just a bit

Journeyman Geek

not as bad as that recipe that called for 12 nutmegs...

(too much nutmeg makes you sleepy)

MDMarra

Nutmeg can make you hallucinate

Iain

@JourneymanGeek I don't use a lot of nutmeg ( I use more mace) - mostly nutmeg goes in mashed potato

Journeyman Geek

12:24 PM

@MDMarra: that too

MDMarra

there were reports of people putting large amounts of ground nutmeg into capsules (since that much would not normally be possible to eat) and taking them

Iain

@MDMarra did Katie make the Tahini sauce too ?

ewwhite

...just missing the gyros....

Dan

You know what I'm fucking sick of

Reporting that includes anything similar to the phrase "contains a chemical used in [Insert nasty process here]"

MDMarra

@Iain she did

the amounts in the recipe make A LOT. We make a tiny fraction of what it says there

RobM

12:28 PM

@dan yep. Water's used in just about any nasty process you care to mention. Doesn't make it bad. Unless its DHMO water of course.

Dan

@RobM Nasty stuff, I hear it's used in nuclear production

RobM

oh yes

ewwhite

@Dan Subway bread includes a chemical used in yoga mats

Iain

@MDMarra do you make the full amount fro the falafel ?

MDMarra

We do and make it over two days and make a batch of tahini sauce each day

It's enough to fry up falafel for two in two different meals, but the mix refrigerates well

Iain

12:31 PM

ok so half for just one meal then - cool

Dan

@ewwhite The exact article I saw ;)

MDMarra

Ya

The picture I uploaded was roughly half a batch

Iain

@ewwhite carbon, hydrogen ?

ewwhite

Azodicarbonamide

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RobM

@ewwhite the "x food ingredient is used in y non food product" is just sensationalist nonsense though. If Azodicarbonamides are dangerous, it's not because they are used in yoga mats.

Dan

12:33 PM

@ewwhite I don't necessarily think it's a good chemical, by the way - I just fucking hate the deliberate misdirection

ewwhite

@RobM Banned in EU...

But in the US, anything goes!!

RobM

@ewwhite I'm not defending the use of the chemical. I've got no problems with the idea that its a bad thing that shouldn't be in your food.

But it's not bad because its used to make yoga mats. People who want to eat healthily need to understand the ingredients for what they are one way or another, not get misled by sensationalist headlines.

Dan

@RobM It's such a diabolical argument. Oh, it must be bad for you because it's in [x] and that's bad for you

It's the equivalent to staying out of graveyards because 1 in 20 people who go in don't come out alive

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ewwhite

@Dan Oh shit! For real?!?

I spent the day in an office yesterday. I don't know how you people do it.

Dan

@ewwhite People skills

RobM

12:37 PM

exactly. its an insidious arguement because the people who make that argument claim to be concerned about the welfare of the people they are 'warning' yet what they're doing with scare headlines like that is training people to follow trends in headlines instead of understanding and thinking through risks for themselves.

ewwhite

I came away feeling fatter, sadder, more tired and have been farting ever since...

My focus and concentration was way off...

Dan

@RobM Same lot who use phrases like "sheeple" and THE TRUTH IS THERE, READ THE EVIDENCE, MAN

RobM

Did the office have any yoga mats on their floors

Dan

And did you eat them?

RobM

@dan yep!

ewwhite

12:39 PM

I'm trying to do the simplest thing... 3 host vSphere cluster. And I'm on day #3 of it.

"Oh, we don't have a login/password for that switch"

"Oh, your ILO wasn't working because you were plugged into the phone system"

"Oh, we don't have any more power cables"

Dan

@RobM The thing that gets me is that I'm highly supportive of improving food safety and standards and I don't ever get into H&S bashing. But, no matter which way you look at it, the average westerner will live longer than ever before while working and exercising less than any commoner before - things really ain't that bad. Something will kill you, and if eating subway increases my chances by 0.0001% over my lifetime then I'll fucking chance it

@ewwhite Welcome to my life, there, I'm afraid

RobM

Well if your choices are between subway and a mcdonalds big mac then its not much of a difference either way is it?

ewwhite

It's all plastic.

Although, I'm no longer going to do McDonalds.

(trying to lose weight)

Dan

@RobM I always thought Subway was okay, in terms of "fast food"

I eat pretty badly, to be honest, I don't really care - I like food

ewwhite

Subway is bad news... don't believe Jared™.

RobM

12:43 PM

@dan in terms of fast food, I'd agree. It's the best of a bad bunch

Dan

@RobM I had one yesterday with their tandoori chicken - that is yummy

Subway is my "working on car day" goto fast food. In between a McDonalds breakfast and takeaway tea

Jesus, no wonder I'm fat

Iain

@Dan explains a lot I guess :)

ewwhite

I'm trying to LOSE weight

Dan

@Iain It was a bit tongue in cheek - I don't think I've ever done all 3 in one day. But certainly two in the summer time

Iain

@Dan I did McDonalds once

Dan

12:46 PM

@Iain I honestly don't mind a McDonalds

In terms of frequency, I probably end up there a couple of times a month

ewwhite

ick

RobM

If I have a subway sandwich, I get the larger size and that is lunch and dinner.

Dan

My problem is that if I leave home at 0600 to get somewhere, there are precious few places where you can get something defined as a healthy, filling breakfast quickly

Iain

I was Anglesy on a Sunday afternoon and had accidentally dropped my sandwiches into the sea I was going to implode

Dan

@RobM Oof, I couldn't eat a footlong i don' tthink

RobM

12:48 PM

@dan that's why its lunch and dinner for me!

ewwhite

@Iain is cycling keeping you fit?

Dan

@Iain I take it you weren't won over?

@ewwhite yes

@Iain are you fat?

@Dan no not really

12:49 PM

@RobM I had a McDonalds breakfast and a Subway lunch yesterday :D I don't feel bad, though because I had chicken salad after a run for tea :)

@Iain Don't get me wrong, I'm not a 'fan', but it does for me

ewwhite

@Iain are you phat?

Iain

@ewwhite I'm currently 13st 8 lbs (190lbs) at 5'11 so not too bad but there is room for improvement

ewwhite

I'm 198 :(

5'7"

Iain

@ewwhite phat is in the eye of the beholder

Dan

@ewwhite 198lbs ?

ewwhite

12:52 PM

yes

Dan

That's the same as me, except I'm 6'

ewwhite

Muscle... mostly

Dan

@ewwhite I like to think that too

ewwhite

but during my cycling season, I'm 185-190.

but I'm trying to keep the weight off.

Iain

My cheap scales say I'm about 30% fat - I wonder how I can find out how accurate that is

Dan

12:53 PM

@Iain I keep forgetting to measure my fat

@Iain 30% is obese according to the random char I just found, that doesn't seem right

Iain

I'm mostly happy where I am but I guess that getting under 180lbs would help with the hills

@Dan the scales are cheap - they're reasonably accurate weight wise

Dan

My RHR is 60 +/- 2

So thatr's not too bad, I don't think

ewwhite

My scale is saying I'm a beast.

Dan

I'll measure mine tonight

I have two things to do it and never use either

Iain

@Dan mine is 55± a few

HopelessN00b

1:12 PM

@ewwhite Oh, is that from your new wifi-scale?

tombull89

@HopelessN00b wifi scales with load balancing

mossy

God damn it.

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 load balancing for extra capacity, or for HA?

tombull89

@HopelessN00b HA

HopelessN00b

HA is good, but I'm more worried about my scale's throughput/capacity. I think I'll hold out for the load-balanced-for-capacity model.

Sometimes I just gotta weigh myself 350 times before heading off to work, you know?

Dan

1:21 PM

@Iain Thats extremely good

Nathan C

Fun morning...DC fell over

HopelessN00b

@NathanC "Don't worry about it. DCs have weights in the base, so it'll correct itself if you just give it some time."

Nathan C

Tried to add an admin to the user accounts and the machine froze

and now it's doing the same thing...only it's more stable since I gave it two cores

HopelessN00b

When I think about it for a second, it's kinda surprising I haven't been fired a lot more than I have...

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tombull89

@HopelessN00b bad news...check your email.

Nathan C

1:24 PM

hmmm....

HopelessN00b

@tombull89 Wow, how'd you know? It is bad news.... they still want me to keep coming into work.

Which I'll do now... so I'm hopefully only an hour late.

Dan

@HopelessN00b Have you ever been fired?

I got fired from my first job out of college, but it was shit and I'd only turned up that day to quit

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b Yes, the wifi scale.

@HopelessN00b I have!

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Dan

I don't really understand how you don't have time to quit on your own terms when things are clearly going that bad?

Nathan C

Hmm...DC is still frozene

Dan

1:35 PM

@NathanC Define frozen?

Nathan C

@Dan See screenshot

Dan

@NathanC It's not going to unfreeze, kill the process

Nathan C

Server is otherwise responsive...I had to power it off and give it a second core so it'd be stable if this happened again

...I can't. It's the lsass.exe process lol

Dan

What happens if you click the x in the top right, doesn't it give you the option to kill it

Nathan C

Okay...I was able to close it, but it didn't add the user ._.

I bet it'll happen again if I try

Dan

1:39 PM

@NathanC Is the LSASS process still high?

Nathan C

@Dan Nope, back to normal

Dan

@NathanC Is your second DC okay?

Nathan C

@Dan Does the same thing if I add a user

Dan

@NathanC you have just the two DC's?

I'd be reading your Event Logs very carefully, something is unhealthy

Nathan C

@Dan Yeah, just two. I tried on another random server and it worked fine...

Dan

1:46 PM

@NathanC You mean adding a local user?

Nathan C

@Dan Yes.

Dan

There are no local users on a DC, though, so it's not the same

JohnD

Yeah I'm confused too

Dan

@JohnD ...okay?

JohnD

I assumed he was talking about the lsass freezing on a domain controller initially yet he was adding a local user.

Dan

1:50 PM

@JohnD Didn't realise you were talking about the conversation

Nathan C

@Dan I'm adding them to the user accounts under the domain so the admin can log in via RDP

Dan

@NathanC I have no idea what you mean by that

ewwhite

@Dan right

Nathan C

@Dan When you go to User Accounts and give someone else access to the machine...you can choose the domain the user is from ...unless that's not how it works

ewwhite

On a 6 Gigabit bonded T1 connection... Trying to download puppet enterprise (300MB). What's the lower-limit of "fast connections" these days?

Dennis Kaarsemaker

2:01 PM

sigh, to serve dns for one domain I'm now keeping 16 servers alive

stupid registrars are stupid.

Dan

@NathanC Do you mean adding a user to a group?

There's no association between local accounts and domain accounts - they're one or the other

HopelessN00b

@Dan Yeah, a couple times. Only once for a "real" job (like in IT), and that was for knowing too much.

Dan

Except on a DC, where every account is a domain account

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Alright... I was skeptical of the usefulness of an internety-scale, but that's pretty cool. I could see maybe getting one, if I ever buy a scale. :)

TheCleaner

@Dan not every account...that join.me service constantly running on mine and posted on newsbin with the 9 digit code counts right? amirite?

Dan

2:06 PM

@TheCleaner Sure, buddy, it's all good

TheCleaner

@Dan Actually, back to reality...I've had situations in the past where someone has setup a DC with SQL on it (and it wasn't SBS). Having to give a non-domain admin remote access to a DC with semi-administrative rights became a nightmare.

Dan

@TheCleaner shudder

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Hard to say... Are there any 15 or 16 digit numbers you can see associated with those accounts? And what are those numbers, if you don't mind?

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b no CC accounts...the 9 digit code is the format xxx-xxx-xxx that join.me uses to for p2p remoting.

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner OH, doesn't sound that interesting, then. Unless.. bitcoin wallets?

TheCleaner

2:11 PM

@HopelessN00b no...just a joke with Dan...

Wow...I thought this was a fake news article at first...OMG.

ktvu.com/news/news/…

School sorry for serving fried chicken, watermelon for Black History Month

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner Well Dammit, guys. If you're not gonna give me money I didn't earn, I'm gonna have to actually work today. WTH?!?!

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b crank up tenmillionpixels.com and get to work!

HopelessN00b

"students who were members of the Black Student Union club at neighboring De La Salle High School planned a special lunch to celebrate the month.

The menu included fried chicken, corn bread and watermelon."

So.. the idea was from a bunch of black students, and the white school administration is getting shit for it. Just another day in American race-relations.

MDMoore313

don't see what the big deal is if these were black students

HopelessN00b

@MDMoore313 (Probably) Just that someone jumped to a knee-jerk reaction that it was some white person in the administration being racist...

TheCleaner

2:16 PM

I don't know if the school administration is white or not. I just find it rather odd that in this day nobody thought "hey...we probably shouldn't do this...joke or not...it ain't gonna fly."

HopelessN00b

@TheCleaner I'd be surprised if the decision ever got up that high.

TheCleaner

Better than this news article though:

krmg.com/news/news/…

Parents force 5-year-old to drink grape soda until she dies, prosecutor says

HopelessN00b

Like "student council, co-ordinate with the lunch room to make a menu for black history month. Kthxbye, I have 5,000 government forms to fill out in triplicate by the end of the week."

MDMoore313

Faculty Sponsor for the AASU, I find it hard to believe he didn't know linkedin.com/pub/derricke-brown/47/77/2bb

HopelessN00b

Meh, maybe he likes fried chicken, watermelon and corn bread. I mean, I do, so it's possible.

TheCleaner

2:19 PM

@MDMoore313 umm... Faculty sponsor of Black Student Union & Barbecue Club ...

MDMoore313

me too

Personally I would have done fried chicken, mac n cheese, cornbread, and sweet potatoes

watermelon isn't really that huge in MI, maybe during the summer

Chris S

@TheCleaner I'm surprised by the number of people who still don't know you can die from drinking too much liquid/water.

MDMoore313

@TheCleaner yeah they should have barbeque'd, I would have done that too. Fried chicken and watermelon is pretty stereotypical, haven't met too many people who eat it together on a regular basis

How much fluid in what amount of time causes this? I'd imagine for a five year old it would be less than for me, but I'm still curious

TheCleaner

@MDMoore313 and in February. I would consider it a worthy meal around 7/4 but not in the middle of winter. But imo, they're probably screwed if they'd have picked BBQ too. Not sure what foods they could have picked that wouldn't have brought up some kind of sensitivity issue and still reflect black history.

Dan

@ChrisS Having looked at the pictures, I rather suspect those people could barely spell their own name

Fucking idiots

Chris S

2:26 PM

@Dan True - so chalk it up to natural selection?

Dan

@ChrisS No, because the wrong person died :(

pauska

ugh

our daughter company is using some kind of web based language teaching stuff for their students.. and now that web app suddenly needs an activex plugin installed

I'm really unsure on how we're going to solve this

students are not local administrators (thank god)

Chris S

ActiveX?! Did we time travel to the 90s?

pauska

lord knows

TheCleaner

I've deployed ActiveX plugins via GPOs before

rather sloppily to be honest

pauska

2:28 PM

deployed or just whitelisted them to run?

I've done the latter.. never heard of the former

MDMoore313

@pauska snapshot packaging? or maybe virtualize that plugin with an ie shortcut

pauska

unless your're talking about MSI push

Dan

I think there's ways to package theminto an MSI

But to be honest, you'd be best off setting yourself on fire in protest

TheCleaner

@pauska deployed

pauska

@TheCleaner how?

@MDMoore313 How would one do the latter? Doesn't the plugin need to install on the local system?

Nathan C

2:30 PM

This is going to be a long day...

Dan

@NathanC You could always take it as an opportunity to install a modern OS :D

Nathan C

@Dan It's one of the last remaining 2k3 servers...which is on its way out once kaspersky is off everyone's systems

Chris S

@NathanC Gotta love those error messages that say "Please contact your System Administrator to fix this issue."

TheCleaner

Simple computer startup script. Looks for the ocx files in the right location (I can't recall offhand the %windows% subdirectory), if found...stop...if not found, copy them from the network location (make sure the computer accounts have read access there), and then register them (regsvr32) during the script. At that point they are on the computer for all users in their browser.

MDMoore313

Not necessarily. I've started working with AppV, and was able to virtualize java (+1 for the death of java!!! sorry wrong chat), with a desktop shortcut that uses that specific version of java. It's sandboxed from the rest of the PC. You would install the activex plugin while AppV monitors the system for changes, and also create a shortcut to ie while the system is being monitored. In theory AppV will capture all those changes and whenever that shortcut is used to bring up IE it will have the

TheCleaner

2:33 PM

I can get you the actual script if you want, but it's very basic...

MDMoore313

activex plugin there as well, in practice it works pretty well.

Nathan C

@ChrisS I know lol...apparently this server and this server only is having trouble with active directory. had to log on with the console

pauska

@MDMoore313 ah App-V. Sadly out of the question, they're low-low-low budget

MDMoore313

I see. In that case @TheCleaner 's solution of finding and registering the ocx files usually works also.

jscott

@pauska We literally just did this yesterday -- whitelist specific ActiveX controls to silently install for limited users. We used AXIS

TheCleaner

2:37 PM

@pauska there's also a way with the newer browsers to allow non-admins to accept activex plugins...I remember seeing it after I did this and didn't care at that point...one sec.

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b I don't think Black people really like chicken and watermelon.

That is all.

MDMoore313

@ewwhite lol together? I don't, and don't know many (if any) who do.

TheCleaner

@pauska - yeah...I knew I recalled something...see here: blog.yutt.me/2012/02/16/…

pauska

I managed to get a hold of the .cab file..

ewwhite

@MDMoore313 Actually, I did the combo last week at breakfast in LA... I didn't have a Dave Chapelle moment.

HopelessN00b

2:41 PM

@ewwhite Can't speak to the watermelon, but I poker with a group of (mostly) black guys, and there's frequently some pretty damn tasty fried chicken at our games. Suits me fine.

pauska

@jscott that's AWESOME. thank you man.

MDMoore313

That is awesome

jscott

@pauska No problem. I was surprised I didn't know of it before yesterday.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS "Dammit!!!! I am my system administrator, and I don't have any freaking clue!!!"

pauska

@TheCleaner Yeah, but that won't work as the plugin tries to install for all users

at least we have a solution for the windows 7 pc's.. sadly we're 1600pc's from migrating away from xp

so I guess I gotta script that .cab in

jscott

2:43 PM

@pauska 1600!!! Time is running out!

pauska

It'll go pretty quick

ewwhite

I'm in a n00b situation, trying to choose between RAID 1+0, RAID 5 and RAID 6...

jscott

Try to just unzip the cab into C:\windows\downloaded program files\ and regsvr32 /s any .dll/.ocx

TheCleaner

@pauska well, if you want to extract the cab and just grab the OCX files and do my small script that would work too...or deploy the cab. It was just easy for me to do the script because ours changed often (web based ERP) so I would just change the script every 3 months to look for the newly named OCX files.

jscott

jinx

ewwhite

2:44 PM

For a backup server.

faker

newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2014/02/…

is that satire?!

TheCleaner

@jscott :)

jscott

@faker Yes -- byline The news, reshuffled

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite At least it helpfully chooses RAID 5 by default. That's gotta be a good idea, right?

ewwhite

@faker yep

MDMoore313

2:45 PM

@pauska if by pretty quick you mean ~53 machines a day then yeah, it'll go pretty quick

faker

ok, never heard of that site. Was wondering...

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b Well, I need the space... storing 1.9 million .tiff files...

MDMoore313

52 days and counting, 30 machines/day I meant

TheCleaner

@ewwhite only backup server or multiple tiers?

HopelessN00b

@faker Never heard of the NewYorker? It's a pretty big deal. Among blue-blood/cultured types anyway.

ewwhite

2:45 PM

and another 100-200GB of produce data files.

@TheCleaner Replication target... DR server.

(yes, all of my produce clients have DR solutions)

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite You can probably get away with it, for a backup server, with small disks. I'd still do RAID6, though, because of too many bad experiences with 5.

pauska

@MDMoore313 Some locations have over 100 laptops, so it will vary

but yes, we should be able to make it

faker

@HopelessN00b not really, NYT sure. But I'm not in US, so maybe that's why

pauska

@jscott I thought you could register the cab directly

ewwhite

@HopelessN00b 8 x 10k SAS disks... 2007-era hardware... I'm pushing it

pauska

2:46 PM

or maybe not

ewwhite

RAID6 it is.

Chris S

1. Only home users do "upgrades", corporate environments reimage.
2. The CEO helping another C-Level... No. C-Levels wouldn't waste their time on tech support.

jscott

@pauska I've never done that, I didn't know you could. I thought a cab was just a zip to deliver the contents.

Chris S

Also, I have yet to see a bluescreen on Win8.1

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Yeah, but small disks, so fast rebuild times. Definitely wouldn't be able to get away with it on "new" disks, which are all 600 GB+.

faker

2:47 PM

@ChrisS when I worked for MSFT nobody wasted time on support. Answer was always reboot, press F12, reimage

Chris S

@faker Sounds right to me.

TheCleaner

@ewwhite RAID 0...:) honestly...I'd say if you have plenty of space to do RAID1+0 that's what I'd go with...but if space is an issue, RAID6. Even if it is a replication DR server, I doubt you want to rebuild it someday and re-replicate everything again.

HopelessN00b

@ChrisS I see a bluescreen every time I hit the start button on Windows 8. Oh, wait, that's just what they replaced the start menu with. :/

5

ewwhite

@TheCleaner I just had to ask the client to connect the server to a gigabit port... instead of... bnx2 0000:03:00.0: eth0: NIC Copper Link is Up, 100 Mbps full duplex

Dan

@ChrisS Agreed - when I was a field engineer I'd spend upto about 15 minutes looking at a unique issue before re imaging. There's just no point in trying to fix an odd, one off issue that could have been caused by anything

MDMoore313

2:49 PM

@faker Must be nice to have been in a standardized environment.

Journeyman Geek

@ewwhite wait. why would he even have a fast ethernet port?

HopelessN00b

@ewwhite Heh, was I on here when I was replacing a fileserver at one of our remote sites, and found out they had the whole site connected by a 10baseT hub? Fun times.

Chris S

@MDMoore313 Eliminates so many problems, and reimaging a machine takes 2-3 hours.

TheCleaner

@ewwhite :) well, if the replication link is some little 10Mbps MPLS circuit, then either way works.

Journeyman Geek

@HopelessN00b: I hope someone took the ol thing out back and shot it?

Dan

2:50 PM

@JourneymanGeek Lots of switches out there still have FE ports

Chris S

When I started it took ~16 manhours to rebuild a machine from scratch. My predecessor did everything completely manually, including loading all software from CDs

ewwhite

@JourneymanGeek because... um...

TheCleaner

@HopelessN00b you know what frustrated me? Trying to figure out how to get into safe mode on Win8 the first time I needed to. Why change something that has just worked fine for decades.

HopelessN00b

@JourneymanGeek No, but after ~40 hours of trying to copy data to the new filserver, they let me expense a 24 port switch from Fry's (Like Best Buy or Microcenter or whatever big box store you can buy tech gear at).

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: consumer gear has had gig-e for ages.

@ewwhite: did you shoot it?

@HopelessN00b: .... man...

HopelessN00b

2:52 PM

@JourneymanGeek But consumer gear with 100Mb ports has also been cheaper for ages.

Chris S

@HopelessN00b I just dropped off a bunch of 10/100 switches at the recycler a few months ago. Might still have one around in a junk pile....

faker

@MDMoore313 depends. Sometimes you know that a reimage won't help but the escalation path is always the same. "Oh the proxy in your office doesn't work? F12 and reimage please!!1"

Dan

@JourneymanGeek Lots of switches had both

ewwhite

Actually, that switch in the photo was the culprit in an MPLS/ARP/outage disaster at a produce company yesterday...

Dan

And "ages" means nothing, really

MDMoore313

2:53 PM

lol

TheCleaner

@JourneymanGeek There's no real need though for gig-e at the desktop in a lot of shops. I use 10/100 Cisco switches (new ones) simply because all of our stuff is "in the cloud" and the bottleneck is the ISP at each location, so gig-e would do us no good.

Journeyman Geek

@Dan: at least 7-8 years

Dan

@JourneymanGeek I know, I also know plenty of places with switches that aren't fully gigabit

Journeyman Geek

@TheCleaner: its a storage server in this case though.

Chris S

@TheCleaner The official reason is that there's no time during startup. They wanted to squeeze every last second out of startup speeds. But also, the kernel doesn't load from scratch normally. It hibernates when you select shutdown.

MDMoore313

2:54 PM

@ChrisS that's horrible, did you predecessor churn his own butter too?

ewwhite

I have clients who are installing phone systems and running their PCs inline behind the phones... Of course, they opted for 100 Megabit phones.

Chris S

@MDMoore313 She actually went insane. No joke.

tombull89

As part of our network merge, the project lead(s) have taken the decision to restrict everyone's mailbox to 500mb and set up auto-archiving to the user's work area.

One of our users has a 43GB mailbox.

TheCleaner

My last job I deployed gig-e to the desktops and 10g in the datacenter. Average utilization on the spoke links? Around 1.5%. And that was with a lot of PhD engineers running Solidworks over the network.

Dan

@ewwhite I see no issue with that, to be honest

ewwhite

2:55 PM

@Dan It's short-sighted.

It works, though.

Chris S

@tombull89 500MB is really small - but 43GB! Holy sh*t

Dan

@ewwhite Perhaps, but you can honestly see your average user requiring >100Mb anytime soon

Journeyman Geek

p-

TheCleaner

@ChrisS makes sense I guess...but I hated myself for having to google how to do it.

ewwhite

@Dan I have power users who do... And have had to remove the phone from the chain.

Tom O'Connor

2:56 PM

@Dan You've evidently never worked in VFX

tombull89

@ChrisS the initial plan was 100mb. The network manager at the other school has a 50mb mailbox policy currently.

TheCleaner

:) this was for a friend that had forgotten his password for his home win8 actually Chris.

Dan

@ewwhite @TomO'Connor Bringing in edge cases to prove a generic point is silly

I don't know of a single user on anything I've ever installed that would need >100mb

tombull89

@Dan bear in mind: teachers.

Dan

@tombull89 I've done NHS and business installations, too

ewwhite

2:58 PM

@Dan It's just short-sighted given the cost of the switches and infrastructure wiring versus the small jump in price to get GigE phones.

tombull89

We have got them into the habit of saving their document on the staff shared drive and putting a hyperlink to it in the email body, which is nice.

Chris S

@Dan "need" I agree. "want" is a different matter entirely.

Dan

@ewwhite I kind of agree with that, I guess it depends on overall cost and what they have though

TheCleaner

heh...I've seen that in the past too. Gigabit to the desktop then 100Mb phones then computer. Silly IT.
Course I've seen users that complained about slow network speeds only to find out they would bring their laptop in and not bother to dock it but run across the wireless instead.

pauska

Registering the ocx worked.. now I just gotta whitelist the activex

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