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4:02 PM
Oh wait, wow, it DID let me VTC
I wonder when they fixed that.
 
you just made me look dumb on meta :(
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Q: The new "Duplicate" close restrictions don't allow for closure of double posts

MDMarraOne of the recent changes to closing questions makes it so that you can't close something as a dupe of something else unless the original has answers. This is a problem when a user posts a question, gets no response, and then posts the same thing a few hours later. It's certainly a good idea t...

whoops time to delete it
 
afternoon all
 
Well, since they just fixed it yesterday, I guess we both look dumb. Only I hadn't gotten around to complaining on meta yet. :)
 
anyone know the cost roughly for a 4000 series checkpoint appliance?
 
@ColdT Like a 4800?
4000 series would be kinda broad
but you'd be looking at five figures
Well, starting at about $4500 I guess for the 4200
Going upwards of $25k for the 4800 series high end
@ColdT Here, they have prices: checkfirewalls.com
Any of Virtual Graffiti's sites are usually pretty good at showing the prices of products.
 
4:14 PM
Curses.
Post answer. Post locked (now on ask ununtu)
How do I recover all my text ?
 
@Hennes http://askubuntu.com/posts/<id>/revisions
 
<kbd>Ctrl</kbd>+<kbd>C</kbd>?
 
Markdown fails again...
 
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Q: Technology for short-lived private VMs

Lee HambleyI'm trying to build a system that will run short-lived (CI and test builds) of software components, it's mandatory according to my requirements that each live on a private host. I'm taking that definition to include paravirtualsation options as well, as it seems like it will save me a lot of head...

 
4:18 PM
@Hennes No, the post ID of the answer
 
There was none. The answer ID is "Error, post is locked"
 
@Hennes mrr?
 
@Hennes Of course it has an ID. Where is this?
 
@Hennes Huh? I don't see any answers from you here?
 
4:20 PM
Aye. I could not post it because it was migrated between writing the answer and pressing the [post] button.
 
Oh, so it never was posted in the first place. OK, well, you've been DevOpsed!
 
But I know the site retains a copy of the text you input until you click [discard]
So I was trying to grab that one
Not that it was an epistel or something. Just 20-ish lines text with the answer
 
So why the hell would anyone use a PostScript driver in this day and age? Any benefit other than legacy shit that somehow can't handle PCL?
 
Retyping it would have been faster than complaining or cursing.
 
@HopelessN00b Postscript is universal and the same everywhere. PCL has "flavors"
 
4:24 PM
Lovely. I hate printers.
 
Also the (Mac) PCL driver for our printer (Canon ImageRunner) is blowful and constantly prints rasterized pages for plaintext (which is insanely slow), and occasionally it has some sort of a nervous breakdown and won't print (throws a stupid CUPS error)
 
@HopelessN00b Production printing...
 
the PostScript driver doesn't have either of those problems.
 
Every invoice sent/printed from my produce sites is postscript-based
 
@ewwhite A lot of production print shops shoot straight PDF these days (which is basically PostScript with trimmings...
 
4:26 PM
@voretaq7 we generate it via LaTeX from the Linux application... saves clients many thousands in not having to use pre-printed invoice forms.
 
@ewwhite nobody uses preprinted forms anymore unless they have to be multi-part for some regulatory reason
 
@voretaq7 I have clients with multiple-part tractor-fed forms for invoices... Also think any rental car agency... I have people with multi-part carbonless laser printer forms... There's a lot out there.
 
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Q: What Data Center room routine maintenance tasks should be done?

TheCleanerBeyond the work done "inside" equipment (administration, programming, network config) there exists physical equipment and rooms. This physical room equipment needs care and feeding as well on a routine basis. So, the question is, for a generic data center (insert server room, comm closet, etc.)...

@HopelessN00b - there you go...let's see what happens
 
@TheCleaner eh, I'm not so sure on this one.
 
@TheCleaner I'd add temperature/airflow mapping to your list, if you've got a raised floor and changing any filters.
 
4:36 PM
@ewwhite - Hopeless and I were discussing earlier whether it would be closed or not. Short of asking twenty questions like "How can I remove trash from my server room?" and "How do I check the temperature in my server room" I wasn't sure how to ask the question. I was hoping by me posting my own answer the mods wouldn't see it as simply a generic "give me suggestions". We'll see.
 
Honestly, I don't do anything...
but I don't have to maintain computer rooms anymore
 
@HopelessN00b I try to get postscripts capable printers (usually both postscript and PCL5/6 capable) because then I can just cat a file at the printer.
 
@TheCleaner I find it ironic that @TheCleaner is giving advice on cleaning server rooms :-)
 
Then again, I suspect that the number of people who do that and/or edit ps files in vim is decreasing.
 
and I think it's a fine question
 
4:39 PM
And not something for corp. setups :)
 
@TheCleaner didn't realize it was supposed to be canonical.
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Can't you just use your coffee cup to wetten the swiffer/mop ?
 
@voretaq7 - ;)
 
@TheCleaner I would love to work in a place where we had a checklist such as yours.
Evry place I worked at was much more ad-hoc.
 
@Hennes coffee cup? in the datacenter?
STABSTABSTAB!
 
4:47 PM
@voretaq7 Is it stabby Friday?
 
Heh. After a few months I was as guilty as the others.
Why should I leave the cup outside if others took it inside?
But on principle: Aye. Ask person to gently set down the cup. Then yell at them.
 
@Hennes - hah...when you are the only sysadmin for 6 sites, one overseas, you learn that a good checklist is a way to keep sane.
 
oh, I know a checklist is good.
But it only works if everybody follow it
 
@TheCleaner That and more staff.
 
@voretaq7 Dude at one place I worked, we had inter-departmental pizza parties in the server room. 20 cabinets and as many pizza boxes. Not. Even. kidding.
 
4:50 PM
I think there is a post somewhere on SF or SU where someone introduced inventory management stuff. Every PC was tracked. Every change in hardware was tracked. Location was tracked...
 
It was the only place in the building that we could lock ourselves in and have privacy. A dozen people, a stack of pizzas -- good times were had by the IT department, A/V group, and sometimes security.
Note to budding IT folk: Make friends with building security.
 
But not everybody used it. So it the list claimed "PC A is at site B in room C next to printer D' that still could be false.
 
@WesleyDavid Right, it's the only way to get hookers in and out when you're working late.
 
That reminds me of the security guy at university. He had a computer (an old dell 150), a 15 inch CRT on top of that and a keyboard in front of it. Nothing strange.
Reboots would hang at NTLR not found. No disk in the dell 150's diskdrive
Uni IT failed to solve it, so he asked us. As secretary of the computer club I tried to help.
It turned out the computer was turned off and all the cables had been rerouted to a second PC 2 meters to the side. Eject disk. All works.
That was follow up with the 'oh yeah, I press that power button'
I felt sorry for the uni IT guys who tried to solved that by phone
 
@WesleyDavid Only if you bring food into the datacenter
 
5:00 PM
@voretaq7 Every chance I get.
 
@WesleyDavid STABSTABSTAB
 
@voretaq7 calling PETA
 
@Hennes Yeah, main reason user support sucks. If you ask them if it's powered on, they get pissy at you. If you don't, you waste a lot of time because it's not turned on.
 
My favourite: Is the cable plugged in? At both ends ?
Followed by" Is it in an extenstion cord, and if so, is that plugged in.
Been there, got more T-shirts than I need.
 
@Hennes My favorite was the person who called in because her VPN connection wasn't working. There was a power outage, but she plugged the cable directly into her powerless router and couldn't figure out why the VPN was broken.
 
5:03 PM
Well guys, it's official. I'm an idiot.
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A: Why is my domain controller causing my router to send advertisements for Unique Local Addresses?

Michael HamptonWhile I still don't know exactly why this happened (and would welcome explanations!) it seems to be fixed now. I went over the networking configuration with a fine tooth comb, and discovered to my chagrin that the default gateway had a typo in it! [dc1]: PS C:\Users\Administrator\Documents>...

 
I mostly worked with students (reported to be above average intelligence) and engineers. (who are way smarter).
 
16 hours ago, by Michael Hampton
I've only had IPv6 since 2006...so I'm not an expert or anything.
:D
 
I actually had the 'is the extension cable plugged in' happen twice to me with the same engineer. The second time he discovered it himself. "Last time was....uhmmmm. wait a sec..... solved it!"
 
Is the power strip plugged in... to itself?
 
hahaha
We've all been there
 
5:05 PM
No. A power strip plugged into a power strip plugged unto a power strip plugged into a computer.
It was a fire suppression firm, true to its name
One of them was unplugged to plug in a phone charger
Heh, I barely know something of IPv6
Yet my servers used it since 1998
 
who was it working on LACP vDS the other day?
 
@SpacemanSpiff me
 
@ewwhite - working alright?
 
Ok, having a brain fart
How can I do this as a one liner in PS?
 
we got a customer having a bitch of an issue right now with a standard vswitch and normal uplinks
one of the active links in the vswitch stays active, still has good link, but just stops passing traffic
CDP information lost, visibile subnet information lost
 
5:12 PM
@SpacemanSpiff I did it at work and also did it at home... then my own systems. It's okay. It has the potential to simplify networking.
 
nothing wrong with the physical switch
 
PS C:\Users\mmarra> $a = get-adforest | select ApplicationPartitions
PS C:\Users\mmarra> $a.ApplicationPartitions
 
my suggestion is to update NIC firmware, and move to vDS with LACP
 
@SpacemanSpiff what hardware on server and the switch?
 
Dell R620, broadcom nics
Dell PC6224 switch
 
5:13 PM
Firmware.
 
i suppose i should look at the CAM and MAC tables on the switch and see what it thinks
k, will let you know how it goes
it would be just a cute bug if it wasn't taking a production webserver down :O
 
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A: Disconnected Network Adapter on VMware - only power cycle solve this

ewwhiteA few quick items to resolve this: Update the firmware on your Dell PowerEdge R620 hardware and NICs. Firmware updates are super-important on server hardware like this. See this post on the Dell forums: "DELL R720 & ESXi 5.0 Network Connectivity Loss on Intel I350 NIC" Upgrade to the curre...

@SpacemanSpiff seem apt?
 
How the hell do I use a regex to grab all text between the first = and the first comma after the =?
fucking regex
Basically, I want to pluck out the text of the first DC= in an LDAP path
 
.*?=(.*?),
 
I really need to get better at those
 
5:21 PM
(if your regex dialect understands non-greedy quantifiers that is)
 
We'll see how PowerShell fares
 
otherwise [^=]*=([^,]*),
 
God, there's got to be a better way to do these haha
 
never used powershell, last time I admin'ed a windows box is about '05 :)
 
Damnit, it uses the .net namespace for split/joins
not the native PS regex capabilities
sigh
PowerShell is awesome, don't get me wrong, but sometimes "just load a .Net assembly and do it" gets annoying.
 
5:23 PM
so, split by = and grab the second elt. Then split by , and grab the first
or vice versa :)
 
yeah
 
so last time I was muted, it was because I wrote the word "pussy" here
I don't know how the word "pussy" became taboo
especially among mature people participating in a conversation
 
@jojomodjo ask @WesleyDavid.
 
WesleyDavid must be very bashful ..
he probably blushes every 10 seconds
 
just look at his avatar :P
 
5:33 PM
@jojomodjo It's group moderation. Anyone can flag, and anyone in any chat room on the stack exchange network over 10k total rep can vote on the flag
 
so when he saw "pussy" on the screen he was probably like "ERMAGHERD !!! So ruuuuude !!! blush blush blush"
 
It's not just users in this room
 
Yeah every time i flag you it doesn't work.
 
Hello. I want to know if there is any future to AIX system admin job profile?
 
@AbhijitNavale yes. Next question.
@jojomodjo What's wrong with pussy?
 
5:37 PM
I thought stackexchange network is moderated and no offensive language permitted?
 
How can you hate ^ that ^
 
oh that pussy
 
daw @voretaq7 you have such a cute pussy!
 
@AbhijitNavale You'll find there's a much higher threshold for "offensive" in this room
@Cole it's not mine :-x
 
haha
 
5:38 PM
So in short this is not a right place to ask serious questions?
 
Depends.
 
@voretaq7 is that @WesleyDavid's mother?
 
@AbhijitNavale Pretty much if you're not advocating hate crimes or posting outright pornography we consider it acceptable behavior
@DennisKaarsemaker too young - maybe a sister?
 
argg fuck this snow (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@Cole we don't have snow here...
 
5:38 PM
Insulting moderators could also be a problem.
 
Been snowing since 9AM here -_-
 
@MichaelHampton so calling @voretaq7 an idiot would be unwise?
 
Anyone AIX admin here?
 
Nope. Those all died out ages ago.
 
@AbhijitNavale There's at least two.
 
5:40 PM
Is AIX used outside banks and megacorps?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker not at all.... bans
 
Why Banks prefer propriatary software/hardware only ? e.g. AIX?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker yes, my employer was looking at an AIX solution.
for SAP, IIRC.
 
@AbhijitNavale There are plenty of places that use AIX. If you want to know why you have to ask them.
 
@Cole why? What are the benefits over something more common like linux or windows?
 
5:41 PM
@voretaq7 nothin wrong with pussy man, pussy's great
 
Security by obscure OS ?
 
@voretaq7 jupiter's got a lot of gravity but it can't mess with pussy :)
 
@DennisKaarsemaker have you heard stories about my employer? They take the hard way, with everything.
 
So is there any future for me as an AIX sys admin?
 
@Cole heh. Schould go for SCO unix then. Or ultrix :)
 
5:42 PM
@DennisKaarsemaker we're 80% Solaris 10.
 
@AbhijitNavale if you're good, yes. If you suck at it, probably not
 
@AbhijitNavale dude if you're offended by pussy then you probably need to go elsewhere
@AbhijitNavale I for one love pussy, a lot
 
@jojomodjo I find @WesleyDavid offensive sometimes
 
@voretaq7 sometimes?
 
@voretaq7 This user came in last night out of the blue and started throwing insults at me and @MarkHenderson and got auto muted for it...
 
5:43 PM
@jojomodjo I have two kittens. and I have resuced them when dog killed their mother. I like cats a lot. Any problem?
 
@Cole usually when he's kicking shit out of his litter box while we have company over.
 
@voretaq7 hes more of a hipster cat than a pussy though
 
@voretaq7 he has no manners.
 
@AbhijitNavale you seem to believe that there's something wrong with talking about pussies. you even invoke it's a moderator problem
@AbhijitNavale what's your problem dude ?
 
5:44 PM
 
Kitty's future's so bright - he's just gotta wear shades!
 
I prefer @Cole's pussy
 
@jojomodjo I don't think he has a problem (well, other than being an AIX admin, but really we're all a little mentally unbalanced here aren't we?)
 
@DennisKaarsemaker most do.
 
@Cole "I was shredding this yarn before it was a hat!"
 
5:45 PM
what do you mean ? if I like pussy does that mean I'm mentally unbalanced ?
somethin wrong with you bro, get a head check (the other head)
 
@jojomodjo yes. Most likely
 
@voretaq7 @Cole You know, we have a separate room for that kind of thing....

Aww!

To clarify, spiders are not on-topic here. Ever
 
@jojomodjo that depends... are you an AIX admin?
 
@freiheit I... I never knew...
 
Z/OS? SCO? Solaris?
 
5:46 PM
:-(
 
@voretaq7 I'm a pussy lover, not an AIX admin
 
so...so much cute
 
@AbhijitNavale ignore the trolls. I for one, think you're handsome.
 
5:46 PM
@Cole FYI, there's more cute than you'd expect over here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/2495/terrifying-nightmare-monsters
 
@mossy has a way with words.
 
@Cole that room sucks - you really wanna go here:

Terrifying Nightmare Monsters

Because the meanies in the Aww! room hate spiders (chat.stacke...
 
@voretaq7 I just yelled out NO!
 
@Cole DOOOOOO EEEEEEEEET!
 
alone, in my apartment. My cat is judging me
 
5:47 PM
@voretaq7 that has a picture of @Cole in it
 
@DennisKaarsemaker ;_;
 
@Cole your cat is ALWAYS judging you - it's what they do
 
You hurt my last feeling I had!
 
@Cole excellent. Now you're ready to be a sysadmin.
 
@voretaq7 hooray! LEVELED UP
 
OMFG
 
@freiheit soooo kyoot
 
it's looking at me
 
NOPE
 
I want to feed it little bugs
 
5:48 PM
ALL HAIL THE HYPNOWHATEVERTHEFUCKTHATIS
 
I think I saw that movie.
 
and watch it play with them
@DennisKaarsemaker ALL GLORY TO THE HyPnOsPiDeR
 
This is fucking terrifying
 
5:50 PM
Sysadmins.
 
Sysadmins: Fucking terrifying.
 
that thing looks like my mother in law
 
Sooooo, are you guys ready to see a pussies PUSSY ?!?!
 
All I see is a whore and a cat.
 
@jojomodjo Is that a Kardashian? ewww
 
5:51 PM
Who let that developer in here?
 
@freiheit it's dirty, BURN IT WITH FIRE. SAVE THE POOR CAT.
@MichaelHampton get the broom, damn devs.
 
@MichaelHampton who are you talking to ?
 
@voretaq7 I find your LIZARD offensive sometimes!
 
I'm a devops !
 
@jojomodjo How old are you?
 
5:51 PM
@WesleyDavid when he's "cleaning himself"
 
@MichaelHampton who let the devs out, who, who, who
 
@jojomodjo BURN YOURSELF WITH FIRE!!!
 
Old ENUFF !
 
@jojomodjo you don't really want to admit that in here...
 
@Cole Alone on the internet is the little cat-whore
 
5:52 PM
My bet is on 12 and a half.
 
@MichaelHampton you just lost
 
Rats. 10 and a half?
 
don't bet again, you're not good at it
 
@jojomodjo r/im14andthisisfunny beckons you to return to it.
 
@jojomodjo you're using full sentences, but you call yourself a DevOp...
somewhere between 19 and 23?
 
5:53 PM
@voretaq7 you're wrong again..
 
@voretaq7 I expected more drooling with a devops
 
why do you wanna know my age dude ? do you want to date me or what ?!
 
A/S/L?
 
@WesleyDavid reddit idiocy knows no bounds...
 
are you a girl in disguise and you want to ask your parents if it's ok to date me ??!?
 
5:54 PM
@jojomodjo dunno, are you cute? I am single at the moment...
 
@voretaq7 ask your mom first, she has to give you permission
 
@jojomodjo no you've got it backwards dear - I'm Italian, my mom has to approve of you, but until I introduce you to her I can pretty much do as I please :)
 
@voretaq7 I think you better talk to your mom real quick before she locks you in your bedroom for life
 
@voretaq7 ohhh Italian, I tend to have good luck with Italian parents.
 
This room has suddenly gotten weirder and more awkward than usual... How did that happen? This room is usually more than sufficiently weird and awkward...
 
5:56 PM
@Cole My mom has generally approved of the guys I bring home. She wasn't crazy about the fratboy, but neither was I -- freakin' closet case)
 
@freiheit it's a matter of perception
 
@voretaq7 Just say NO to TKE!
 
btw, I only date girls
 
@freiheit Not weirded. Not more awkward. Just really, really dumb.
 
@jojomodjo I don't know who you are, where you're from, what age or sex you are but you are irritating the shit right out of me so be warned - continue and I'll kick you and ban you - CLEAR - OK
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5:56 PM
@jojomodjo SAM actually...
 
@WesleyDavid what's wrong with being dumb. you yourself don't seem to disapprove of it
 
This is not how you win friends and influence people.
 
@Iain wait aren't you brits supposed to be the level-headed ones? :)
 
The UDP hole punching question - would closing it NC be better ?
 
@voretaq7 He lives near Liverpool - look what it did to The Beatles. =P
 
5:58 PM
@Iain Naaa, he really needs to go to SU
 
@Iain could go either way - OT or NC
 
Though I don't think they can help him much either
 
@Iain why are you being irritated ? it's a matter of perception btw. Aaand also, may I add that psychologists say that if you think that there's something wrong with some person, it actually means that you don't like something about yourself
 
we really need a Server Fault specific close reason: "You're not the damn sysadmin, stop making trouble!"
 
Weel strictly speaking we could answer it in the right context
 
5:59 PM
seems appropriate at the moment :)
 
@Iain But, he being a lowly home user and not the IT people managing the network, would be unable to implement any likely solution.
 
@voretaq7 for MSF yes
 
@DennisKaarsemaker thank god I'm not the only one old enough to have had that thought
 

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