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8:00 PM
:) My brain always seems to recall stupid videos rather than important knowledge
 
Isn't "French Maid TV" french benefits?
 
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A: Cable Managerment

HopelessN00bCable management arms. Simple as that.

(Doesn't look surly in the one box, but I linked a Google search term.)
 
@ScottPack wonderful episode.
@fuero ALL WAYS ARE THE QUEEN'S WAY!
 
m-sexchange.org
 
8:06 PM
@voretaq7 I didn't much care for it.
 
@MichaelHampton Again, people say that like it's a bad thing! If I were having a sexchange I would NOT want it to be done by an amateur - I would demand an expert sexchange!
@ScottPack So. Many. RoadRunner. References.
(though not nearly enough half-naked Ben Browder or Claudia Black in leather for my liking)
 
@voretaq7 She is shaped rather nicely, yes.
 
@voretaq7 "This guy did a pretty nice job (except his power and data cables are mixed)" why is that a bad thing? Would the current make that much of a difference?
 
@tombull89 not unless you're talking about really long parallel runs, or lots of cables rats-nested together
I'm very much a current segregationist - I do not believe AC and DC cables should mix.
Mixing of the cables erodes good order and transfer speeds.
 
Not mixing network and power gets a little messy when the two power legs are on either side of the rack.
 
8:11 PM
@ScottPack I've never been cursed with such a configuration - usually we have a two-tower PDU on one side of the rack (or those ungodly mid-rack inline PDUs. HATES them.)
 
@voretaq7 Both racks I deal with are in an either side configuration.
 
you poor poor man
 
inorite? I think you should buy me a beer to demonstrate your condolences.
 
I bought you a beer, but when you didn't show up I couldn't let it go to waste.
 
8:15 PM
Has this guy gone overboard with his promotion yet?
 
@MichaelHampton I actually just downvoted a few of his answers and flagged as spam before you posted that
 
Alright, naming a printer [blah] PCL6 and then installing a PCL5 driver for it ought to be a capital offense, right?
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He has exactly one answer where he didn't promote his product. Must have been an oversight.
 
...and he's done that for 7 printers on this print server. FML.
 
@MichaelHampton are they all old?
 
8:18 PM
@voretaq7 The oldest goes back to November.
But he seems to have decided today is the day to really push his product.
 
@MichaelHampton mumble*hounds*mumble
 
@HopelessN00b, I oops'd on your comment.... Care to repost it?
"@Malartre It's not anecdotal, really. As mentioned, NTFS file/folder compression is a tradeoff - disk space for CPU cycles (and a very minor memory use increase). That's about as specific and factual as is possible without doing benchmarking and running actual tests on your specific environment." on serverfault.com/questions/476527/…
 
8:33 PM
god damn webhelpdesk...
"see FAQ 26 at support.webhelpdesk.com";
welll.... FAQ 26 doesnt exist
 
@MDMarra @voretaq7 Do you see any reason to install the "Server Admin" DVD after going 10.5 -> 10.6, when I still have to get to 10.7?
Or can I skip that
 
Why didn't you go straight to 10.7?
But the answer to that is "I don't know"
 
The cable management question made me want to post a couple of pics of one of my remote office data centers I redid a few years back. Nothing fancy...just new rack equipment and clean up.
^^ old
^^new
 
Same thing but with doors?
:)
 
@MDMarra You can't, thats why
 
8:39 PM
No ladders? Are the cables coming up through the floors?
 
It won't install without being on 10.6.8
 
Huh, didn't know that
 
:) correct! Actually new APC symmetras, new IP KVMs, etc.
 
@David I'd skip it
 
I thought you could do 10.5 > 10.7. Maybe I'm thinking of 10.6 > 10.8
 
8:40 PM
@MDMarra - correct...no ladders. Stupid room was created with a raised floor and then no clearance above the racks.
 
@MDMarra they have to be - look how low his ceiling is
 
@TheCleaner We just ripped everything up from the floors where I am now
Talk about a shitty first project for the new guy
 
@TheCleaner how much headroom do you have over your racks?
 
Server porn is really an arse/tits thing. Showing the back of the rack means you're an arse man - the before/after is a bit like shaving it and bleaching the arsehole, and bam, you're ready. But showing the front is like being a tits man, and it's pretty hard to fuck up a photo of tits.
 
Fire code here requires at least 24" I think
 
8:41 PM
@voretaq7 - there's about 10-12 inches there IIRC.
 
@TheCleaner wow... your cooling system must hate you
 
no idea on fire code...that's up to the building/facilities people. cooling system works fine...cold air from the floor into the front, hot air in the back leading to the returns. Nice big Liebert keeps it 68F.
 
Even servers up top run pretty cool...works for us, at least for a remote office.
 
^before
^after
 
8:44 PM
hah
 
damn....
^ porn
 
By the way, everyone should buy Panduit racks for their core infrastructure
Those things are so spacious you can sleep in one
Also, the doors open from either side
 
What...no google love Matt?
 
@TheCleaner Mmmmm....
So nekkid
 
8:49 PM
@MattBear - nevermind, last pic was Google...
 
@TheCleaner all of mine were google lol
 
@ChrisS Happened to stumble on something you never cleaned up later: serverfault.com/questions/364475/…
 
@Tanner - that's right up the road from me...almost had the opportunity to work there
 
Didn't take it or...?
 
didn't qualify...they wanted more of a facilities person than an IT person
@MattBear - the 2nd one said "CERN" in the url
 
8:53 PM
@TheCleaner found it on google images...
i would be embarressed to show my server room
its like a dick pic
and mines tiny... haha
 
hah...I'd post pics of our China server room but after 5 trips there I only have pictures of what I did after work...lol
 
@TheCleaner so... dick pics :p
 
@Tanner Thanks
 
china....dick pic....tiny.....so many ways to go with that...but I'll get back to some work.
 
@MattBear He's a sysadmin, not a politician.
 
8:56 PM
@TheCleaner most of our production servers are cloud based, dont have a lot local
@voretaq7 oh right...
 
I hate networking
 
@ewwhite You chose the right career then
 
I can't take photos in the server room, but it's really cool.
 
Networking at my job is so much more complex than what I did in high-frequency trading.
counter-intuitive
 
@Basil And the only response is something totally unhelpful
 
@WesleyDavid You can't print out an entire forest, that's an ecological disaster
 
@MarkHenderson I got thoroughly shouted down the last time I tried being unhelpful to a mac sysadmin. I decided to let someone else try.
 
9:22 PM
@Basil Mac sysadmins deserve our sympathies
 
@MarkHenderson Depends on the attitude...
Macs are not systems that need admins. They're disposable computers that need hot spares and "cloud" backups
Anyone that would ask a company's IT department to support them when mac doesn't offer warranty service outside their "genius" bar needs a swift kick.
 
@Basil Apple's Enterprise division offers warranty support outside the genius bar
 
@voretaq7 Nobody mentioned that in the thread I saw.
 
@Basil Probably because nobody ever called up Apple Enterprise Sales
the warranty replacements are basically "we're giving you a new machine" though
nothing is field serviceable anymore
 
I googled it and they don't seem to have a site for enterprise
iOS developers and iphone support
 
9:37 PM
@MarkHenderson I don't think there is a helpful answer to that question, though. Macs just aren't servers.
 
@mdmarra Valley called. They want instant messenger on the Terminal Server
 
/r/sysadmin is a particularly pure strain of clueless mixed with some rather hard earned retardation.
 
@voretaq7 tbh, that is the way enterprise support is supposed to be. Dell ProSupport is great that way, they just arrive with new gear every time
 
@HopelessN00b I don't disagree, but if you posted some jackass answer like that on SF we would boot it to high heaven
 
@pauska The fuck it is. The correct answer to "our file server crashed" isn't "here's a brand new machine, restore 12 TB from backups;" it's "here's a replacement [faulted component]."
 
9:44 PM
@WesleyDavid I think it's a red herring error.
 
@voretaq7 I had a problem with a Dell server the other day. Dell guy comes out, took the whole thing apart and eventually determined a faulty temperature probe. He replaced the logic board that the probe was attached to and put it all back together.
 
@ewwhite of course they do. What kind of IM? Just have them use net send :D
 
I really expected him just replace the entire server; I was quite impressed at how thorough he was.
(and by "eventually" I mean it took him about 5 minutes)
 
@MarkHenderson Would we? I've posted plenty of you're doing it wrong; do it the right way instead answers that got a bunch of upvotes. Pretty much what that is, just that there's no right way to add DAS to a MAc because they're not actual servers.
 
heh, we still have an xserve raid thing in a closet somewhere
 
9:47 PM
@HopelessN00b He didn't give an answer though. he just said "You're not using a locking interface, sucks to be you". He didn't offer any alternatives or the "right way"
If I saw that comment on SF, without actually offering a solution, it's a swift -1 and a comment
 
You can add a DAS to a Mac. And like it or not, apple markets Mac Minis and Mac Pros as servers. We hate it, but the reality is that it's there.
They make Mac Pro compatible SAS cards. And they make an XSAN
It sucks, sure. But so does Ubuntu
 
@MarkHenderson Well, the right way being "don't use Macs as servers" doesn't add much to the answer.
 
@ewwhite pidgin works ok.
 
The valid answer would be "These don't have locking connectors. I would suggest spending a few hundred bucks buying a PC and breaking your EULA and installing OSX Server on that". And that would only just be borderline, perhaps just a comment
 
@MDMarra And? I market my scam pyramid scheme as a get-rich-quick opportunity. That doesn't actually make it one, nor does Apple's marketing make a Mac mini a server.
 
9:50 PM
No I mean they sell it with OS X server on it and redundant hard drives.
 
@HopelessN00b You tell me what does constitute a "server" in your books then
 
Is it the hardware most of us would choose? No. But in an all OS X shop it makes a lot of sense.
 
@MarkHenderson Enterprise-grade hardware.
 
At the rate things are going, we're going to see a lot more OS X server questions.
 
@HopelessN00b That's just fluff words
What does "enterprise-grade" mean?
 
9:52 PM
Just because apple doesn't include LOM or redundant PSUs doesn't negate the fact that its the best choice for someone managing a large fleet of Macs.
 
@MarkHenderson too expensive
 
I have a machine here that runs Windows Server 2008 R2 and SQL Server 2008 R2 and dozesn of databases on it
It's rack mounted and has 8 threads
And 32Gb of RAM
Enterprisey?
It's a Core i7 on a gigabyte motherboard
 
@MarkHenderson Fair point.
 
GB YOU FUCKING CAT. CAPITAL B
 
But you'd never know if I didn't tell you
 
9:53 PM
We'll know when you have memory errors and ECC doesn't kick in :)
 
So if Apple want to call it a server, then it's a server. Same as I have to swallow my pride and support a "cloud" system
@MDMarra Pft not an issue, the PSU is so shit it reboots weekly anwyay
 
@MarkHenderson does it have any kind if out-of-band management (drac/ilo/ipmi)? If not, then it's not a server.
 
But that's not the point
@DennisKaarsemaker OOB is a fairly new invention
So are you saying that servers that are more than 5 years old are not servers?
 
@MarkHenderson I'd say no on that too, and was about to mention a similar whitebox machine we have acting as a server that I wouldn't consider a true server either.
 
What about virtual machines? Most of the time when I talk about setting up a "server" I mean a VM
 
9:54 PM
@MarkHenderson you have a weird definition of new. ilo is 8 years old, drac older. Sun has had these things for ages too.
 
@MarkHenderson Pshhh, TomTom runs that on his Motorola Razr.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker New compared to hiow long computers have been around
Somewhere I have a Dual PII 200 server lying around. Is it not a server any more because it doesn't have ILO?
 
VM's have OOB management, vsphere or whatever your vm solution is
 
@DennisKaarsemaker New to me is anything in the last decade. Just being vetted for reals is 15 to 20 years. =)
 
I have a shitty Dell with an iDrac, but it's entirely a read only DRAC because whoever bought it is a cheapskate
 
9:55 PM
@MarkHenderson Yeah, things change. So what? I wouldn't consider a Model-T a "real car" any more either, even though it sure was at the time.
 
A server is any system that offers network services to Clint machines. Anything else is good choices vs bad choices.
 
Point being there's no real canonical definition of a 'server' that would exclude the mac mini
 
Client* damn iPhone
 
Does that count?
 
@MDMarra pretty sure they serve Clint's machines too :)
 
9:56 PM
@HopelessN00b Of course it's a real car. it has 4 wheels and it goes
Anyway gotta go t a meeting, i'll argue with you all when I come back
 
@MDMarra You either forgot an 'e' or added an 'n'. Not sure which...
 
Both
Cut me some slack. I'm on shitty Sprint 3G on my iPhone on a packed train
 
@MarkHenderson Or my Droid, for that matter. So, yippie, since there's no canonical definition, I'll start using my Droid to mangle some services to our iPads, and now it's a server. :/
 
@MDMarra you mean your iPhone Server :)
 
Of course your phone would be a server in that context.
It would be a shitty choice for one, but that doesn't change the definition of a server
As long as Clint is served, it's a server :)
(That one was on purpose)
 
9:59 PM
@MDMarra If you keep talking about Clint like this, I'm going to start thinking you have a crush on him. :p
 
I love the oVirt wiki: Vdsm may eat your babies.
 
He's just a cool guy
 
@WesleyDavid not if TomTom eats them first
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Q: Squid transparent proxy: bypass the dhcp server

Masterl1nkI'm working on a simple network who consist in 4 ADSL connections managed by a ER5120 load balancer. The load balancer is connected to a switch who connects with the guys at the office. Now, I'm going to install a computer between the load balancer and the switch. That computer runs Debian GNU/L...

what the .... I don't even .... BOOM
OK, I think I decrypted it
he doesn't want the proxy to intercept the dhcp traffic
only the http traffic
 
he wants a bridge that can intercept http
 
10:12 PM
Not sure if you can do that though.
the intercepting on a bridge that is.
 
I'd try bridging eth0/eth1 and using iptables rules to point all port 80 traffic to squid running in transparent proxy mode
but eww...
 
I thought doesn't really work on a bridge. You need ebtables for that.
 
could be. Never tried this
 
@HopelessN00b I thought we were talking about desktops here. Who the fuck uses a Mac "server"? :)
 
I have an Xserve still. Though, it mostly isn't doing anything anymore.
My boss wanted to get the OSX equivalent of roaming profiles working.
 
10:18 PM
I give up
<-- sitting in a Buffalo Wild Wings with my MacBook...
 
@ewwhite I thought you were never gonna give us up
 
@pauska Sometimes you want your enterprise support to be like what @MarkHenderson described -- "send me an engineer and get my machine working again because the hour it's going to take to reimage and deploy a replacement is simply UN-AC-CEPT-A-BLE"
Also, Ruby's open-uri is GET only -- WTF Ruby?
 
@DennisKaarsemaker I just spent 2.5 hours working on a futile project...
I couldn't get lunch...
there's a blizzard outside.
 
Good thing Buffalo Wild Wings has wings & beers then
 
Stella and Caribbean Jerk chicken
 
10:25 PM
I was trying to think inside the box: serverfault.com/questions/476612/…
 
@ewwhite Blizzard? Yeesh.
Kinda chilly here too, though.
 
I did a bunch of work on a client's infra... only to find that their Cisco switches didn't have Jumbo frames enabled.
which now means a double switch reboot... and paperwork, and pushes the project out a week or so.
 
@WesleyDavid oh fuck you
 
enabling jumbo frames requires a reboot?
 
on 2960's, yes.
 
10:27 PM
same with 3750
 
so this is the dark side of the Cloud!!
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@pauska :-*
 
sounds like a hitchcock movie
 
@ewwhite and having jumbo frames disabled is an obstacle halting the entire project? why would that be?
 
10:31 PM
Damnit I'm out of close votes AGAIN
 
@syneticon-dj because it's NAS storage for VMware.
 
@MichaelHampton you're too harsh :)
 
@MichaelHampton you are obviously reading the wrong questions. I'd recommend an equivalent of Peril Sensitive Sunglasses.
 
@WesleyDavid FUCKYOU
 
and this is why I hate networking
 
10:36 PM
@ewwhite is it hurting performance that badly? With decent NICs, offloading and today's CPUs you should hardly ever notice...
 
@syneticon-dj company policy
 
@ewwhite oh... too bad.
 
@syneticon-dj it's a lot harder when it's not just one company..
 
My password is ***************************************************************************************************
Hey, it works!
 
Weird, all I see is hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hunter2hun‌​ter2hunter2hunter2
 
10:41 PM
@JeffFerland New technology - it replaces all the passwords with YOUR password :-D
(which is why it says PornPornPornPornPorn.... for me)
 
@voretaq7 On that note, OpenID needs to get far more prevalent.
 
@JeffFerland ughhhh
there was a guy around here asking about OpenID for banks
long time ago
 
I recall
 
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Q: Is open id secure?

DanielIs open ID secure, for example can you use it to log into bank accounts?

and hey, my answer is still essentially what I'd say today!
 
@voretaq7 Well, my first thought was I'd really like a PGP-based auth where I sign login nonces with my private key, but I don't see that being very likely. Thus we're back to OpenID as at the next most likely thing that will never happen.
 
10:44 PM
@voretaq7 :-*
 
@JeffFerland Why can't my OpenID challenge/response be such a system?
 
@voretaq7 It could be. You can auth to the OpenID credential holder however you like.
You could run your own provider if you want to trust only your own security.
 
my big concern is the Sarah Palin syndrome where OpenID providers bend over backwards to make it easy for idiots who forget their passwords to get back in, handing over the password to a malicious individual and compromising a bunch of accounts instead of just one
 
But mostly I'm stuck with shitty passwords that I must remember or write down or synch or use master password applications or....
 
so far there are no providers (even ME) that I would trust with that kind of risk/benefit ratio
 
10:46 PM
Oof, telling people to use root hints instead of global forwarders is being a bad citizen right?
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A: How to test DNS Forwarders without disconnecting the Primary DNS Server?

joeqwertySo many things to say. Why use forwarders for external DNS resolution? You're introducing a point of failure and introducing possibly wonky results from whatever forwarders you choose. Why rely on some external ISP to provide external DNS resolution for you? Use the root hint servers instead. I...

 
@JeffFerland Passwords are a fundamentally broken technology.
 
@MDMarra eh.
 
@voretaq7 Thus my desire for $better_thing, of which OpenID is most likely to be realized.
 
Who needs OpenID?!? Facebook is my preferred SSO!
 
@ewwhite I usually configure multiple global forwarders that go to multiple services. Google, Level 3, Google, ISP is usually how I order it
 
10:47 PM
@MDMarra see my comment.
 
@ewwhite Preferred SSO? You're not really doing IT properly until you have at least 3 SSO options...
 
@JeffFerland Shut up and put your head in the drill press, I'mma install your borg implant.
 
Oh, who said I was doing IT properly?
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@voretaq7 What? You're not the federal government!
 
@MDMarra I use my ISP's designated forwarders, as the internet intended.
 
10:48 PM
@ewwhite Well, you've got the drinking and bicycle-riding down ...
 
@JeffFerland ...I could be!
 
;)
 
@voretaq7 Taken from my home-office windows five minutes ago:
 
@ewwhite it is a good-faith assumption we like to make.
 
@Zoredache I told you guys... I'm a hack
 
10:49 PM
@WesleyDavid Hey kitty, wanna go for an airplane ride?
 
@WesleyDavid mmhmm, when it's 300 degrees in the sun in July you just remember this, OK?
 
@WesleyDavid I see you found the 11 setting for the saturation adjustment.
 
When you get no sympathy you'll know why.
 
@WesleyDavid Your trees are bare? sheesh, what kind of horrible wintery place do you live?
 
10:49 PM
@voretaq7 When I set someone up that's on Comcast Business Class, I use google first, then the ISP. At work we forward to Level 3, then Century Link, then Google as a last resort
 
@JeffFerland Silly HDR gimmick.
@voretaq7 Oh hush - it's a dry heat.
 
@WesleyDavid so's my oven.
 
@voretaq7 I love every one of those 122 degrees. =P
 
I"m sad I'm not in Maine for this weekend. I wanna watch the blizzard!
 
@freiheit Palo Verde tree. Smells like pee when you burn them. I.e. Don't take a cord of Palo Verde wood when you go camping.
 
10:52 PM
@WesleyDavid How many water bottles does a 25 mile bicycle ride in 122F heat take?
 
I seriously love puppet
 
@freiheit Prolly a gallon and a half?
 
@JoelESalas Make sure you wash it when you're done.
 
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Q: How can i disable right-click to protect images being copied/downloaded.saved from server-end?

Alectolot saying you can temporarily disable right-click with your script BUT if done from server-end,then works fantastic! be it in any explorer chrome,mozilla etc. its to protect users personal images. say,the server is nginx. thanks & please write clear coding.

I'm still out of close votes.
 
@JoelESalas I remember once having to do the things puppet does for me now...
 
10:57 PM
@JoelESalas Why?
 
@MichaelHampton - I LOVE that guy...
 
I'm not a big puppet fan... because it hasn't been helpful enough to me... yet
 
"thanks & please write clear coding."
lol...that's AWESOME!"
 
@ewwhite That's because you aren't even allowed to use it!
 
I could start using it for produce servers
 
10:58 PM
@ewwhite You need a decent amount of systems, a decent amount of deployments, and a decent amount of configuration needs for it to be meaningful. Otherwise you spend just as much time managing puppet as you would have managing your nodes.
 
@ewwhite because I just stood up a bunch of boxes and it was AWESOME
 
@TheCleaner He's going to become a VP of RIAA and champion DRM everywhere. I can smell it.
 
@WesleyDavid Do you use puppet
 
@JoelESalas Not really had too yet. No need.
 
I've deployed reasonable (60+ server) Puppet setups before...
 
10:59 PM
@WesleyDavid How do you manage your configs
 
Looked into Puppet and Chef.
 
but the use-cases on the types of servers I deal with are limited
 
@JoelESalas I don't need too. My systems are low touch, low maintenance. So implementing puppet or chef or whatever is just brain-overhead until I have more systems and more configuration management needs.
 

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