The Comms Room - 2013-02-06 (page 1 of 7)

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12:00 AM

I actually have A LOT of feeling in my chest, most than most of the guys I've talked to

@Cole Did you get em mounted and put on your wall? I would of :p

@MattBear no, I never want to see them again :)

I tried to get them to give me my appendix and gallbladder... put em in a jar

got my appendix out at 17

12:21 AM

Gave up on Netflix

BSG will have to wait

I wish Netflix would hurry and get the first half of Breaking Bad's season 5 up.

I'm going to have to splurge and get it on Amazon if they dont

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@ChrisS Where can I buy that?

@freiheit thinkgeek.com/product/f141

Ok

beer time

(thanks for the link)

12:30 AM

You're welcome

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Q: Whats needed for a complete backup system?

For my new server, I want to setup a proper backup solution. I've found a great setup that will do twice-daily incremental backups via Dropbox. I plan on backing up my various databases, the webroot directory, the /etc directory/repository, and /var/log. What else do I need to know to do a prop...

linux ubuntu backup

> I'm thinking of using Puppet, as it describes how the system should be. My restore > procedure would look like this:
> Install Puppet
> Run my puppet config
> Restore my backups from Dropbox (Should I create a script to do this? Probably)

sounds legit

He needs to add "profit."

well... ??? -> profit.

yep

sometimes I ask myself whether reading more than a sentence or two of a larger document went out of style some years ago

12:36 AM

where did that meme come from?

I can't imagine how they could possibly make that backup system more robust.

You can almost smell "tl;dr" from the caption

@ewwhite south park, underpants gnomes

damn.. people keep expecting me to do thier job for them....

I built active directory, created all the users, built sharepoint server, linked sharepoint to AD, its not my job to assign users permissions to YOUR site

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite So much wasted potential in that question. Fucking developers.

@MattBear sad, but true. Always the same.

12:40 AM

I even create the AD groups, add the users to the groups, and email you the group name so there are no mistakes...

and have now held your hand on 3 seperate occasions helping you...

Im the Networking/Security admin... Why do they think they can bug me if they cant login... we have a helpdesk...

and why do developers bug me when they have problems with thier software...

@fuero Ah, thank you.

Is the server up? yes, is it responding? yes, has it been compromised? no... then my job is done, now you do yours...

I'm fustrated...

if you cant tell

It's especially annoying if you are telling them exactly what to change in the code to fix a problem, create a bug report in JIRA and the b*ggers don't do it.

its funny... you can see the tenfinity factory in play here...

@MichaelHampton how so?

12:46 AM

If I'm changing the code in SCM, (5 lines! 5 stupid lines!) I'm the one overstepping my boudaries and, worst case, the future code maintainer.

@ewwhite BEST. NAME. EVAR.

Rogue Coder, Halifax, Canada

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linux mod-wsgi apache2 python nginx mysql compile

fsckers

the head dev, we collaborate to make things happen, he has the knowledge im missing, I have what he's missing...

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite If you could cut all the crap out of that question, it might eventually make a good canonical Q&A.

Dropbox is about the most DevOps way of doing a backup I've ever heard of.

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12:46 AM

most of the other devs, just handle thier own business, I give em the tools, they do their jobs

DROPBOX! For devops, by devops.

but this one... god damn

DevopsROPBOX.

@WesleyDavid Guido works there. It's legit now

@MDMarra No place can be legit if a guy named Guido works there. Unless it's a money laundering front.

12:48 AM

haha

Even the Guido that invented Python?

@WesleyDavid brothel security

@MDMarra especially that one...

@MattBear ...ehhhh I'd still suspect him of testing the merchandise.

@WesleyDavid QA

uggh.. I am going to have to start documenting everything I tell her, that way I have a paper trail in case she tries to cause trouble again..

(the crappy dev)

@MattBear I've written a build script for an in house application written partly in EGL (Rational Business Developer shudder) from scratch, because the devs couldn't be bothered and were clueless about what code the app consisted of exactly

12:52 AM

@MichaelHampton Any reason why? Dropbox seems like a reliable/affordable backup system for a small business. Having Dropbox sync to a second machine ensures you have a backup even if the server & dropbox fail at the same time. — Rogue Coder 2 mins ago

Yeah, @MichaelHampton - Lay down the law!

If he replaces Dropbox with Crashplan he'll be just as non-professional but at least using a hammer on a nail.

@fuero sounds like somthing I might end up having to do...

@fuero like learning sharepoint haha

@ewwhite Dropped the caps hammer on that shit.

@WesleyDavid what the heck is packrat?

@MDMarra Your face.

@MDMarra It's what DropBox calls their versioning feature.

You can go back infinitely to recover old versions of a file.

12:57 AM

Cute

@ScottPack I wuv u 2

@MattBear well, if you need some pointers, don't hesitate to message me in the future. It's always nice to share declining sanity.

@Wesley I've missed you.

@ScottPack Well I'm in the throes of a cold (yes, after I recovered from the flu I had one glorious week of good health and now this). We can't cuddle like we used to.

Sucks to be you.

12:59 AM

@fuero well... im migrating our cloud servers off godaddy to azure for the next few weeks

@ScottPack That's what @MarkHenderson's wife said.

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack CrashPlan is not necessarily unreasonable for a small operation.

@WesleyDavid Sad because it's true :(

@fuero and im waiting till 6 to take sharepoint offline, promote a sub-subsite to the root site in a host-named site collection, enable SSL, rebuild all the lists/librarys/permissions, test it, and put it in production...

@Michael No, it's not. It's not the best backup tool, but it works well and is actually a backup tool.

1:02 AM

because someone decided to cowboy shit without knowing much....

@MattBear doesn't matter when I descend into the depths where RBD and Cthulhu dwell again :D

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack And restores work, too.

RBD?

And will backup to nfs.

RBD was a Mexican group that gained popularity from Televisa's teen drama series Rebelde, and found international success from 2005 until their separation in 2009. RBD has sold over 17 million digital downloads and over 20 million albums worldwide in four years since their formation, according to EMI. The band was officially formed on October 4, 2004, and on August 14, 2008, RBD announced through a press release that they would disband in 2009. Members {| class="wikitable" |- !Name !Date (age) !Birth |- |Alfonso Herrera |August 28, 1983 (age 30) |Mexico City |- |Anahí Puente |...

1:03 AM

Rational Business Developer, Eclipse + IBM stuff to develop EGL with

that makes a little more sense lol

ibm.com/developerworks/rational/products/rbde

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite I'm about to start quoting Limoncelli at this guy.

@fuero not familiar with it...

I'm off - good night everyone yawns

1:05 AM

@fuero night

@WesleyDavid - somehow I didn't see this message until now, and I only have this to say: It's not my damn fault I have no friends. Blame children.

If you want me to introduce you to some adorable 2 year olds, then I can oblige

It's far too easy to blame children.

@ScottPack Anything to avoid blaming the parents

its the damn childrens fault!

its my 4 months old fault that shes starting to teethe!!!

@MattBear Sucks to be you right now

1:10 AM

:p

My son teethed all his teeth in < 12 months, hope yours is the same

@MarkHenderson hopefully, though 2 is worse...

I hear

I figured that being a kid is basically pain for the first 3 years, because you're either teething, growing fast, or bashing into things

Mine teethed pretty well too.

at least now if I set her down somewhere, shes still there when I go back :p

1:11 AM

@MattBear When they learn to crawl, your life basically ends

@MarkHenderson shes trying... haha

for about 17 years

she hates being on her stomach, kicks and yells

@ScottPack 24 years...

@ScottPack with girls... never

I day as I watch TNG at the request of my preschooler

im trying to arrange a marriage for her...

any offers?

1:14 AM

What are you offering as a dowry? Isn't the going rate, two goats, and a small parcel of land?

12 goats 6 pigs 2 cats, and my wife

and a box of dirt....

its more of a political thing... so that my family doesnt declare war on yours

well.... that I dont hide outside your house with my paintball gun ;)

Pew pew pew

Less QQ more pew pew

John de Lace with a paintball gun?

something like that

1:22 AM

Pew pew pew Mon capitan

1:34 AM

@MarkHenderson I'm so scared of getting married. Can I just find a sweet girl and we live happily sans the kids and infidelity and bitching and... yeah I'll just play Team Fortress 2 for the next 40 years or so and call it good.

Michael Hampton

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A: Whats needed for a complete backup system?

We build backup systems for one purpose: To enable restores. Nobody cares about backups; they care about restores. There are three reasons one might need to restore file(s): Accidental file deletion, hardware failure, or archival/legal reasons. A "complete" backup system would enable you to rest...

And yes, I have the book sitting here on my desk. It's great for beating developers over the head with.

@WesleyDavid It's never that easy, but if you can find a nice girl who doesn't want kids and loves video games, you're 99.9% of the way there.

Michael Hampton

I found a nice girl who doesn't want kids, and has more Xbox games than I do.

@MichaelHampton Is she your sister?

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Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson Haha, no, I don't have any sisters.

1:38 AM

@MichaelHampton Then you should plough her till the cows come home (after getting her an IUD)

@MichaelHampton marry her

WHAT THE ACTUAL FERRETS?!

So RAID-1 is an example of a backup system for hardware failure, correct? It's an entirely separate drive that is an exact copy of the primary drive. What is an example of a backup system that would allow users to restore a file to the state it was in for any day in the last 6 months? Would a daily backup via Git be a viable solution? These backups would have to be stored locally, so how should large files be handled? Thanks — Rogue Coder 1 min ago

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson She already has an IUD.

@MichaelHampton who, doesn't have a copy of that book? I thought that was required reading. :p

Michael Hampton

@WesleyDavid Oh dear gawd, help me.

1:39 AM

@MichaelHampton Then I assume you bought her a massive rock for her finger?

and pray to god that she doesnt turn into a bitch the instant you say "I do"

Michael Hampton

@Zoredache He's a developer.

@Zoredache I would have just pasted the whole chapter, but it wouldn't fit into the text box. And it's much more satisfying to swing the book two-handed at the developer's head.

I think it's about time for Limoncelli to publish a third edition...

Nah, just a full on sequel.

"The Practice of Systems Administration, Part II. Tom's back and this time he's pissed!"

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@WesleyDavid Shit, maybe Tom and TomTom are the same person and that explains a lot

I'd like Tom Limoncelli, TomTom, and Tom O'Connor to write a book.

1:47 AM

@WesleyDavid TomTomTomTom

throw in Tom cruise to make it interesting

Subtitled: "This is how you do it right. This is how FUCK YOU. This is how you do it with style."

Michael Hampton

All right, it's gonna be another 200 rep day, I can feel it.

Hey guys

10 minutes till show time!

1:50 AM

Okay, chik-fil-a time. Hardly eaten today. Bleh.

I would back this shit: kickstarter.com/projects/461687407/…

lol its got 20k allready!

2:06 AM

@Zoredache I actually don't, though I am considering it.

I don't either

I'd never even heard of Limoncelli until hanging out in here with you guys

Same here. I figure I was never DevOpsy enough.

2:31 AM

@MarkHenderson @ScottPack Obviously you two are inferior.

He's the man

He's super LGBT friendly too, I've had many a talks with him

Stop what you're doing, go directly to Amazon, buy The Practice of System and Network Administration, Second Edition and read Chapter 26. (And the rest of the book...) — Michael Hampton 2 hours ago

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson I hadn't either, so I guess I'm also inferior...

@MichaelHampton: Nice! STOP, DROP and READ.

Super good book @MikeyB

Michael Hampton

2:35 AM

@MikeyB I'm not sure if he'll actually read it unless I tell him to check it into his github repo first.

So, first off, debugging authentication without logs is a fucking nightmare. Hell, debugging ssh authentication even with logs can be a fucking nightmare. But it's guys like this that just piss me off.

serverfault.com/posts/475882/revisions

I should point out that the edit was made after I left a comment telling him he was wrong.

Michael Hampton

You know what's wrong with SF? I got more upvotes for explaining what 408 Request Timeout is, than for smacking some sense into that developer about backups.

I thought @WesleyDavid was what's wrong with SF?

Michael Hampton

Well, yes, that too.

@MichaelHampton So, that UsePAM thing. According to this big fat warning in my sshd_config setting UsePAM no seems to indicate that it will even disable pam for accounts. Am I right in guessing that local accounts will still work, but not remote?

2:43 AM

@ScottPack I've seen him around today. Two huge jumps in rep. From zero to 3-something. Nice.

Which is more than I can say for you, young man!

@WesleyDavid My last answer was in December.

@ScottPack Disgraceful.

@WesleyDavid I have earned about 100 residual during that time, though. Could be better.

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack I suspect he's done something stupid, which isn't reflected in his question.

@MichaelHampton Agreed. Either, my guess true, and he's doing using accounts not in the passwd file, or he's done something else stupid.

@MichaelHampton My first two suspects are always errant newlines in the authorized_keys file or inappropriate permissions on ~/.ssh. Neither of which are likely since key auth seems to work when he enables PAM.

Michael Hampton

2:57 AM

@MarkHenderson AND to top it all off, she's bringing home Chinese takeout in just a few minutes.

3:11 AM

Did chat just implode?

Somehow cmd+r sent me to area51

@MDMarra Yeah, I got booted and couldn't get back in.

**does**

*Multiline*

---markdown---

[work](http://mdmarra.com)

Aaaaaand nope

I was hoping it would be a chat upgrade

3:29 AM

Stupid chat.

It appears to have involved a rollback of some kind. I'm fair positive there was something posted after Michael's last one.

@WesleyDavid Happy? I posted another answer. Deal with it.

I know everyone is trying to be helpful, but this isn't a duplicate:

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Q: Chmod all files and directories recursively to 666 under /usr

I want to make an chmod command that's recursively will apply the privilegies to all directoris under that. Example: chmod 666 /usr I want that every directory under "/usr" turn into permissions to 666. Thanks in advance.

chmod recursive

Ill-advised, yes. Short sighted, indeed. But it's not asking "Why is chmod -R xxx destructive?"

For the record, I didn't vote it as a dupe.

I'm pretty sure I threw down as a generic off-topic.

btw, I'm just bored, I don't actually care. :)

I'm not going to bitch on meta or anything.

\/\/hatever

Anyone else having fun with try.discourse?

Michael Hampton

3:50 AM

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Q: Oops! Something Bad Happened to chat...and login...again

Since a few minutes ago, visiting chat.stackexchange.com, chat.stackoverflow.com, etc., is returning either this page... or redirecting me to Area 51 where, for some reason, logging in fails... I wouldn't have bothered reporting this except for the strange redirect from chat to Area 51 and ...

support bug area51 chat login

See if you can spot the unusual part of this.

I'm cornfused.

How were you able to close it as a dupe?

Michael Hampton

DevOops.

I blame Bart.

Is Kyle still their lead sysadmin?

@ScottPack Or Petey and his Windows firewalls.

@jscott Sometimes Pete confounds me.

Michael Hampton

3:55 AM

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Q: Forgot Password Server 2012

So I did something really stupid, forgot the admin password to my server running MS Server 2012. I so rarely shut down and have to log in because my server is running 24/7 that when I lost power and had to log back in, I couldn't remember my password. I'm trying to avoid having to reinstall the e...

password windows-server-2012

@MichaelHampton Call him up, sounds like you could make some easy pizza money.

Is that Pete's sockpuppet?

Does chntpwd work in 2012? I haven't tried.

Maybe that's the problem with chat! Pete forgot the password on the Server 2012 box that runs their border firewall and it's fucking up all the xlates!

ffs, on SE when you get a 500 error it 302's you to another page, so when you hit refresh you're refreshing the 500 error page, not the original URL

4:01 AM

FishFishFishFishFishFishFishFishFish!
(and such)

@jscott I dup'd it

I'm just as kosher with smacking it as OT, but I really, really want him to go read that question and fix what he's asking

I've been informed that mammals, by definition, cannot be kosher. Sorry bub.

@ScottPack Cow is kosher

Cow is mammal.

Disproven by counterexample.

@voretaq7 Fine. Non-ruminants, non-cloven feet mammals.

...Now mixing cow with things that come out of cow is no longer kosher, but that goes back to the whole "My creations can't figure out food preparation so I'm just going to forbid a whole bunch of shit to save them the worst of the food poisoning" thing

The whole meat+dairy thing is a little odd, sure.

4:06 AM

@ScottPack New novel by Terry Brooks: Ruminations of Ruminants

"You can't figure out how to cook the shellfish? After how many lectures? Fine. IT'S FORBIDDEN! Happy now?!"

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson So that's why we're all on Area 51?

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A: Forgot Password Server 2012

Use a third party tool to reset the administrator password. There are a variety of these, which you can find with a trivial Internet search. I won't recommend any particular tool, and neither does Microsoft: Some third-party companies claim to be able to circumvent passwords that have been a...

@MichaelHampton Well i didn't end up on area 51, so that's just plain weird

@MarkHenderson You're Australian. You should have ended up at 15ɐǝɹɐ.

Michael Hampton

@MarkHenderson If you went to the top level page you would have wound up there.

4:07 AM

@ScottPack not really - Pour a glass of milk and let it sit out in the sun while you're cooking your bacon-burger on a rock in the middle of a campfire. I promise you won't want to drink that when you're done cooking the burger :-)

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Q: setting up sudo account

I want to create a managed account with root powers and the ability to su as root if need be to manage the box without needing root. What is the correct way to do it? Does this work? /usr/sbin/adduser -u 0 -o -g 0 -G 0,1,2,3,4,6,10 -M admin

linux user-management sudo user-accounts sudoers

@voretaq7 BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MEAT AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE FORGETFUL

@ScottPack THE ANCIENT HEBREWS DIDN'T HAVE REFRIGERATION, WHATDDA WANT FROM ME?!

@voretaq7 I have found that milk can sit out at room temperature for 2 hours before I dump it down the drain.

God is sick of his people barfing on his good shoes when they come over to pray!

4:09 AM

On the up side I have learned that non-homogonized low-temperature pasteurized whole milk that came out of the cow <7 days ago can sit out for a couple of days before it develops an odor.

@ScottPack The ancient Hebrews didn't have a room! Something about "stuck in this mashugana desert" or some such, it's in the book on the shelf over there.

On the downside it means that we have found cups of milk stashed in toddler height areas that had been missing for several days without noticing it.

@voretaq7 I used to have a copy, but I don't know where it is anymore.

If I had to guess it's in one of the boxes that I haven't unpacked from our move to Ohio in 2004.

@ScottPack I've found that regionally sourced organic low-temperature pasteurized milk (homogenized or not) can last about 20-25 days in the refrigerator, whereas the crap I get at the 7-11 when I forget to buy real milk lasts about 48 hours before it smells off and has to be disposed of.

@voretaq7 We should ask AviD. He's my typical AskAJew go to guy.

Michael Hampton

@Andrew That person desperately needs to hire a sysadmin, or get out of the web hosting business.

4:12 AM

@ScottPack You make God.... roll his eyes and move on to scowling "disapprovingly" at the Vegas showgirls :-)

@voretaq7 Meh.

If that's what it took then I think we're both in trouble Mister.

Michael Hampton

@Andrew She is also one of our newest help vampires, so fuck her.

@ScottPack please, I'm on the Express train to Hell. No local stops - this train does not stop at Limbo or Purgatory (which is good because the church got rid of those because the catechism was too hard)

@voretaq7 Since they got rid of Limbo what happens to all the infants? Do they get a free pass now?

@ScottPack According to the current pope there is "serious hope" to believe that the unbaptized babies get a free pass into heaven.

(which means the lights in Vatican City are now powered by St. Augustine spinning in his grave, but whatever - papal privilege: You can rewrite whatever doctrine you want!)

4:17 AM

What part of "infallible" don't you understand?

I got to use the word papal today. I can't remember in what context, but it felt good.

incidentally can you guys help me raise the bribe money I'd need to become a cardinal? I'd kinda like to be pope

Michael Hampton

@ScottPack Probably bull.

@voretaq7 I'd rather buy myself a PhD from the University of Phoenix. Probably cheaper, and I'll get to enjoy it longer.

I mean as pope I'd only have to issue about 3 papal bulls to plunge the world into chaos.
It would take like 50 executive orders as president, and an ungodly amount of jaw-wagging as UN Secretary General or something worth less like that

@MichaelHampton ....that's terrible.

4:20 AM

@ScottPack but theologically sound!

@voretaq7 It was pretty puntastic, I'll give you that.

Michael Hampton

A papal bull is a particular type of letters patent or charter issued by a Pope of the Catholic Church. It is named after the lead seal (bulla) that was appended to the end in order to authenticate it. Papal bulls were originally issued by the pope for many kinds of communication of a public nature, but by the 13th century, papal bulls were only used for the most formal or solemn of occasions. From the 12th century, papal bulls have carried a lead seal with the heads of the apostles Saint Peter and Saint Paul on one side and the pope’s signature on the other. Modern scholars have retr...

OK, not exactly what I meant...

and I'd make an awesome pope! I have a nice solid backhand - I could really connect with that ring!

@voretaq7 Start selling indulgences again

"He fucked a goat? While he was married? That'll be at LEAST $10k to get him into heaven!"

@MarkHenderson start? again? Oh honey, when they pass that basket you know they record it all in a ledger, right?

(no, really, the church around here DOES record your donations at mass in a ledger)

4:21 AM

How else do they know if you've met your tithe?

@MarkHenderson Male or Female goat?

@voretaq7 Hmm, I don't quote know how considering its mostly anonymous cash

@ScottPack oh my great-aunt switched churches because of THAT one...

@MarkHenderson around here people put it in envelopes with the family name on it. Long Islanders are perhaps not the most adherent of catholics

The Methodist church of my youth had those envelopes available in the pews, but I believe most people dropped in pocket change or checks.

@MarkHenderson also a lot of people write cheques because that way they can keep better track come tax-deduction time. I bet if there was a credit card reader in the pews people would do that instead -- save my soul AND GET POINTS?! FUCK YEAH!

(I weep for my lapsed faith - but I think I have about as good a chance at getting into heaven as the crooks running the diocese around here)

Michael Hampton

4:25 AM

Clearly I need to start a religion.

MacGyver: Why am I naked?
Me: I don't know, but this is back when Richard Dean Anderson was kinda attractive, so why is he under a blanket? Stupid TV morality...

@MichaelHampton Worked for Hubbard.

@voretaq7 Need. More. Mullet.

@ScottPack would that be before or after he went more batshit-brand crazy than Hughes?

@ScottPack no, this is post-mullet, pre-getting-flabby

Michael Hampton

Yeah, that's the problem. I'm too sane to start a religion.

@ScottPack rumour has it he made a bet with Tolkien. Guess who Elrond might be named after?

4:27 AM

@voretaq7 I'm having trouble figuring out where you're placing that marker....

@ScottPack 1994/1995-ish

so shaggy hair (too much hair IMHO), but not a mullet like 80s MacGyver

Michael Hampton

serverfault.com/badges/81/altruist?userid=126632 Wait, I just got this?

@Andrew I thought it was Heinlein?

@ScottPack I thought it was both

@voretaq7 Church donations are typically not tax deductable; and if you write your name on your envelope then you're just showing off

Cheques are avoidable to put a name to an amount, but if they are actually keeping track of that stuff, that's terrible

4:30 AM

@voretaq7 It makes more sense to be Heinlein. They were at least writers in the same field, and it strikes me as odd that Professor Tolkein would partake in such lunacy.

It's also your own fault for using a transaction method as old as the catholic church

@MarkHenderson I'm fair positive that, in the US, they are.

I know at least at our church there's no such tracking of who gives what.

> You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. Most organizations, other than churches and governments, must apply to the IRS to become a qualified organization.

From irs.gov/publications/p526/ar02.html

Heinlein is generally credited with saying "if you want real money, start a religion." L.Ron was also a pulp sci-fi author at the time, but no one can verify when/where RAH said it and who was there.

4:32 AM

@MarkHenderson around here church donations are eligible for deductions. I do believe they have to be IRS-recognized though

Here in igloo-land, charitible donations are somewhat deductible. Not as high a %age as political, though.

@voretaq7 That quote from the IRS seems to indicate that anything defined as a "church" is automatically a qualified organization and does not need to apply.

My wife's religious, I'm agnostic but go with her, our envelopes are in my name.

@ScottPack except the IRS can determine you're not a church - so unless you have a shit-ton of followers or they've issued a 501(c)(3) determination of exempt status...

@voretaq7 Hey, I don't put anything past the IRS when scheming up ways to get your money.

4:34 AM

@Ward . . . you're getting in, but you'll have to bribe the doorman for your wife unless you start putting her name on those envelopes.

@ScottPack Internal Revenue Service - Because "Bitch, gimmie yo' fuckin' money!" doesn't sound government-y enough.

No, she's the good one, I need all the help I can get. I'm hoping they canonize JPII pretty quick and maybe I can get a boost from having met him.

@ScottPack Heinlein makes a lot more sense, his stuff is as crazy

around tax time I like to play Slap Dat Ho and pretend the pimp is the IRS

@Andrew It started out good, and then just...started...getting....creep....eee....

@voretaq7 So how far into the filing process are you?

@Ward we're rushing him through as fast as bending canon law backwards 180 degrees will allow!

@ScottPack "waiting for my fucking shitty banks to get me my goddamn 1099INT forms"

4:37 AM

@voretaq7 Well, of course, since he was practically complicit in the murder of his predecessor.

@voretaq7 We had already filed by this time last year. This year, however, is more complicated.

(and if I don't have them by Friday, "Reporting my fucking shitty banks to the IRS for not getting me my goddamn 1099INT forms in a timely manner" -- which would be the third time I had to do so)

Makes me want to move to HK for the flat tax

@ScottPack I'm just happy the mouth-breathing defectives in Congress restored a couple of my deductions

I'm still getting fucked, but at least they brought lube.

@voretaq7 This year is the first one with Katie as an independent contractor. In other news, this is the first time we're bringing in a CPA.

4:39 AM

I'll probably file late February/early March - I need a weekend to sit down with the tax book

@ScottPack yeah the first year doing independent work you should definitely have a CPA in - it's not hard but it's worth paying someone to go through it once and then decide if you want to deal with it on your own after that

is she billing 1099?

/me shrugs

You see, she's the one with the business degree.

Or are you asking if she is a 1099 employee?

@ScottPack yeah, as opposed to W2 or corp-to-corp

@voretaq7 Ah, then yes. Affirmative.

's not so terrible then

except the "owing a large amount of money at tax time" bit if you don't make prepayments of estimated tax :P

Yeah, and the senior sales rep she works under is a friend of ours, which has made a lot of things easier.

4:46 AM

ooh ooh ooh

did you see RMS is now a tax expert?

RMS is apparently an economist now. Protip Ricky: Tax schemes that penalize growth are economic non-starters. http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/04/fixing-too-big-to-fail/

Tweeted by voretaq7 on February 5, 2013 at 6:14 AM

This just in: Crazy man writes nonsense. More on this at 11

Oh sure. She was set up with the same CPA and walked through the process of collecting all the information and such as normal person. It's still a very different world, since we're both accustomed to W2 with very little deductible work expenses, but still.

@JoelESalas this is crazier than his usual brand

though I like the idea of corporate tax on gross income not net profit -- I mean I get taxed on my gross income. I'd like it a LOT better if I only got taxed on my profit, I don't really net much at the end of the year!

@ScottPack deductible work expenses are awesome

Who the fuck gave RMS permission to blog on Reuters? Aren't they supposed to be respectable?

though I didn't attend nearly enough work-related conferences or buy nearly enough books this year. I've been a slacker :(

@ScottPack Equal time for stupid

or something

4:53 AM

So is he now going to demand it be called GNU/Reuters?

@ScottPack don't encourage the crazy man

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