The Comms Room

7:00 PM

it failed installing an IIS feature for some odd reason -_-

<Error>: Attempt to install Dynamic Content Compression failed with error code 0x80070643. Fatal error during installation

yayyy..

According to my research the entire box is hosed ....wut...

Magellan

Ha. Totally threw the internal AMZN recruiter off-guard by actually calling them.

Wesley

@Magellan Nice.

Magellan

@Wesley That's what they get for not actually calling me during the availability window that I gave them 2 days ago.

I cannot abide habitual tardiness.

Wesley

7:15 PM

@Magellan >_<

Magellan

@Wesley Was going to call me sometime during the afternoon....

I told them morning.

Wesley

@Magellan Doctors office > cable guy > recruiters

Roughly in order of timelines.

Magellan

@Wesley Yeah, internal recruiters generally being better than outside/contract recruiters.

@Wesley OTOH, my regular recruiter has finally gotten used to the fact that I respond within minutes unless I'm busy. They generally have everything lined up and waiting for me to agree so that they can set things up right then.

Mine is a very orderly world.

So the question of the hour is: Should I drive down and eat lunch. Or stay here, build some more Chef infrastructure, and drink my lunch?

Nathan C

and suddenly, authorization code required. do'h

@Magellan Break and eat lunch

Cole

I GOT THE JOB!!!!!!

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Falcon Momot

7:25 PM

@Cole Awesome! which job?

Magellan

@Cole Outstanding!

Cole

@FalconMomot The job I interviewed for this morning. Windows/VMware Sys Admin'

jscott

'grats.

Falcon Momot

@Cole Cool. Got to love that fast turnaround... is it a startup?

Cole

@FalconMomot nope, insurance company for Fortune 500 companies

Been around since 1889

Nathan C

7:28 PM

@Cole Woooooo!!

Tanner

@Cole Congrats

Cole

Thanks guys!

Falcon Momot

that's not a bad industry to be in IT in at all

Ryan Ries

Congrats!

Cole

I CANT WAIT TO SHIT ON MY COWORKERS DESK'S - I mean, put in my 2 weeks.

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Falcon Momot

7:29 PM

ahahaha

Cole

Gonna wait till Monday though

Not sure how/when I should do it

Falcon Momot

why? give one extra day of notice.

Cole

Because I was out a half day today with my car

Nathan C

Cole

I feel shitty doing it at 3:30PM on a Friday. I mean I shouldnt but yeah

Wesley

7:30 PM

@Cole Shit on Deborah's desk!

jscott

I would think Friday is the best day for something like that.

Falcon Momot

the resemblance is striking.

Cole

Not sure what to say

Falcon Momot

@Cole "I'm leaving you."

Cole

"It's not you, it's me...ok I lied - it's you. You suck"

mfinni

7:32 PM

@Cole What the hell. I turn away to do some actual work, and shit goes down.

Cole

I CAN GET OUT OF THE NT MIGRATION

Magellan

@Cole Lot of places just walk you out the door when you give notice anyway? Why come back to that smoking hole if you don't have to?

Cole

OH. FUCK. YES.

Falcon Momot

@Cole the last company I left I literally had 5 exit interviews.

Cole

@Magellan they won't

Tanner

7:32 PM

@FalconMomot wat

why?

Cole

plus my boss isn't around

Falcon Momot

they really wanted to know it was me, and not them :P

Magellan

@Cole Ah. I guess that's ok then.

jscott

Just hand 'em a generic two-weeks notice written on paper. Walk in and say "you need to read this". Then leave.

Cole

@jscott seriously? lol

Usually I'm more of have the written paper, say "Can I talk to you?" close the door and then say "I"m putting in my two weeks"

Falcon Momot

7:33 PM

@Cole you can do that if you really don't want to talk to them I guess, but it gets awkward for those two weeks

Cole

Yeah I'm trying not to burn any bridges. This is a big company.

Nathan C

heh, $job[-1] fired me two days before my notice was up

Can they do that!?

extended vacation!

That's fucked

7:34 PM

@Cole So move to Seattle.

Nathan C

@Cole Yep, i got paid for it though...and I left because I had a job offer

Cole

oh then sweet

Waiting on the written job offer first anyways

Magellan

@NathanC Hah. That's kind of dumb. Opens them up to more liability that way. Easier to just walk you out and thank you and turn off your access right then.

Cole

Make sure it looks correct

Nathan C

The sucky part was not getting to say goodbye to my coworkers since I had a few friends there.

Cole

7:35 PM

I FEEL SO RELIEVED

Nathan C

They pulled me into a conference room where HR and the CS bigwig was sitting ...I was like "uh..."

Wesley

@Cole Where's the new job?

Nathan C

At first I thought it was an exit interview, but I was mistaken.

Magellan

@Cole I applauded my prev. job's execs for the way they were handling that. Had my co-workers turning my access off once I was escorted into my stay/go meeting.

Cole

@Wesley Rhode Island

About 35 minutes from my apartment.

Wesley

7:36 PM

@Cole Ooouch.

Cole

It's not terrible.

voretaq7

@NathanC why would they fire you during your notice period?

Cole

and I'm originally from RI so meh. I could get a super nice apartment for cheap near there if I wanted to

voretaq7

that makes little sense

Magellan

@Cole to be honest, half of my leads were based on my CEO's personal recommendations to his associates in local businesses.

Cole

7:36 PM

@Magellan I hope on Monday they walk me out.

Ryan Ries

Uh oh I think I found a lead in my logon failure problem... there's another two factor software installed by the customer that is interfering with the logon process

Cole

I can start at the new gig on Oct 8th

Nathan C

@voretaq7 They were "afraid" of the knowledge I had. As a lowly tech support person they didn't think I knew what I did. The week prior I found an exploit in their internal website and reported it. It got fixed, but that was the actual reason i was fired.

Magellan

@Cole And no reason not to sit there and putz with Youtube for 2 weeks anyway. The crappy ones are going to blame you no matter you do, and the smart ones would just let you go or have you mentor someone who's interested in taking those duties on.

Nathan C

They also cited my "unauthorized" access to their Nagios install. Hey, if my domain creds work it's not unauthorized yo

Mathias R. Jessen

7:37 PM

@RyanRies My coworker asked if we could find all orphaned GPTs in a domain with a one-liner: pastebin.com/XDQ2gazk :P

Cole

@Magellan no one is interested in taking any duties on.

They're all lazy.

Scott Pack

@RyanRies So now you're doing 3 factor?

mfinni

@ScottPack Might be four

Magellan

@Cole Unsurprising. Scary how much inertia drives IT operations in so many companies.

Ryan Ries

@MathiasR.Jessen Score

Cole

7:39 PM

@Magellan for the people at the new place being there for 13+ years - they are all current on new tech and like it

Ryan Ries

@ScottPack Yeah apparently two factors just wasn't enough for this customer

Cole

the AD lead was smart as shit

Scott Pack

@mfinni Something you know, something you are, something you have, something somebody else has.

voretaq7

@NathanC nice. Report a vulnerabiity, get fired?

Scott Pack

@RyanRies It's called *multi*factor for a reason. Bitch.

voretaq7

7:39 PM

next time sell it on the zero-day market.

mfinni

@ScottPack I'm imagining richard prior and a passed-out security guard

Mathias R. Jessen

@RyanRies I've tried to make it even smaller, and in one pipe line, but can't get it smaller than that :P

Magellan

@Cole Cool. Similar to one place I interviewed. They were good with the new tech, but not so up on new philosophies like Config Mgmt. Simmering war going on there over whether DevOps has any utility in an org. at all.

jscott

@MathiasR.Jessen It's... beautiful!!

mfinni

@NathanC I totally heard that in Jesse Pinkman's voice

Magellan

7:40 PM

ok. time for food. later folks.

Nathan C

@voretaq7 They basically told me "I shouldn't have been able to find it anyway" because I was messing with something I shouldn't have. Well...curiosity killed the cat I suppose.

Cole

@Magellan they're pushing Conf. management for Windows (theyre a big windows shop) as well as VMware. Automation is a huge push for them

Mathias R. Jessen

@jscott ::blushes:: thanks ... Can we trim it down even more?

Nathan C

It was a really stupid bug too.

Ryan Ries

@ScottPack 1) Something I know, 2) something I have, and 3) something I what the fuck is this

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mfinni

7:41 PM

@NathanC If they don't want you to investigate and learn, you're in the wrong place (and they shouldn't be managing IT people.)

voretaq7

@NathanC . . . something you were explicitly not authorized to do, or something you could have conceivably been authorized to do?

Nathan C

@voretaq7 The bug was an insecure auth method. They stored the login email address in a cookie as plaintext. Change the cookie, log in as anyone

That was the bug.

voretaq7

@mfinni that's a wonderfully idealistic view of things - but if you break into classified files by setting AUTHENTICATED=TRUE in the URL bar you're still getting arrested and charged under the CFAA :-)

@NathanC yeah, that's one of those "I'm glad you found it, but you shouldn't have done that" situations

Cole

Oh and the on call rotation is you're on call for a week, every 6 weeks

Nathan C

@voretaq7 Yep...oh well. That's behind me and I'm much happier where i am now

Dennis Kaarsemaker

7:42 PM

@Cole did you ask them whether they were still running NT? :)

Ryan Ries

@Cole That's exactly what I'm doing right now

voretaq7

Still not a firing offense IMHO, but it sounds like this company sucked for other reasons

@RyanRies ...in related news you're fired. Meet your replacement, @Cole

Cole

@DennisKaarsemaker when I told the AD lead we were still running NT she laughed, loudly.

voretaq7

:-)

@Cole She's a bitch.

She should have bought you a beer and held the towel while you cried.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 he likes that

Nathan C

7:43 PM

@voretaq7 They were hemorrhaging people like crazy. Basically shot down any ideas people had to make things better or it was lost in the "we'll look at it" wall.

Cole

And today in the interview she was like "Our environments soounds very similar to yours - except luckily NO NT!"

Ryan Ries

Haha

Mathias R. Jessen

I would be like that too @Cole

Nathan C

Plus internal politics...I knew the higher-level techs didn't like that I knew more than them at the T1 level.

Mathias R. Jessen

lol

Cole

7:44 PM

She was super nice, had a really awesome technical conversation with her.

They're big on PowerShell

Ryan Ries

Yep that was my problem. The customer put some 'PhoneFactor' authentication software on the server and that is what was causing the logons to fail.

Nathan C

So it turns out it was the "windows process activation service" causing my IIS role installs to fail

I stopped the service and it installed fine. O.o

Scott Pack

@RyanRies I can't help but think about the labia unlock mechanism added to the new iPhone.

Nathan C

newsfeed.time.com/2013/10/04/…

voretaq7

►

(Drawn Together so probably NSFW in the USA)

pauska

7:49 PM

1

Q: Windows Server 2008 R2 - RDSH - Registry bloat with Samsung Universal Print Driver

While running multiple Windows Server 2008 R2 RDSH farms we are experiencing an issue where the RDSH servers all are having their Registry bloated to the maximum value 2048MB. Using Sysinternals Registry Usage (ru.exe) we were able to determine over 1000MB of the registry being used up by Samsun...

Scott Pack

So does anyone know if the livecd version of cobbler install is abandoned?

pauska

Poor guy, UPD's are a pain to deploy without bloat tagging along

Mathias R. Jessen

@NathanC lol, I lived next to (as in right next to) the office in a non-residential area for almost 2 years. Not sure it was that healthy

jscott

@MathiasR.Jessen You can remove the [String[]] casts and wrap the lines inside a $() to build the array of Strings. e.g. $a = $((Get-ADObject...))

Nathan C

yeah...i'd rather live 5-10 minutes away from work

jscott

7:55 PM

I'm also curious about the first ? { $_.Name -like ("{*}") } have you groupPolicyContainers objects with names that do not match that?

Mathias R. Jessen

@jscott It's to avoid conflict objects

jscott

Gotcha, thanks

Cole

former manager said I should just email my boss.

just "I, Colenator, am formally submitting my resignation my last day will be Oct 18th, 2013."

I'm worried it's going to suck either way

He's going to try to convince me to stay, I know it. I'm trying to avoid that as well

Nathan C

@Cole Well, no convincing will help since you've accepted the new job...

lol

84104

Is there a less stupid way to say zfs filesystem?

Cole

7:59 PM

@NathanC no I know. But he'll try

I dont want to give away any info to where I'm going or anything

Nathan C

@84104 Zeeee Efff Esss

Cole

just "I dont want to work here anymore" basically

Nathan C

Anyway, outta here. 3-day weekend ...taking monday off :p peace!

Cole

later!

84104

@NathanC So that's a "no" from you then?

Nathan C

8:00 PM

@84104 Yes.

Cole

shit my boss is out on Monday

guess I'll have to send an email

pauska

I need to find a way to document my network at work

Not just an excel sheet with a list of subnets, but how the different networks are linked together, vlans, VRF, MSTP etc

Cole

Visio..?

Sounds like a PITA.

84104

@pauska show run

pauska

Yes, Visio is probably the way to go - I've just never learned it properly

Zoredache

8:05 PM

Visio sucks for anything complex...

It might be good to give you a 10,000ft overview, but as an actual source for documentation. It just doesn't work well. At least in my opinion.

Mathias R. Jessen

@jscott I made a proper nice version of it as well, 200 lines with error handling, backup and autoremoval, but one-liners are way funnier :D

pauska

@Zoredache so what to do then.. OneNote?

Matt Bear

@pauska use P&P

endlessly configurable, can do just about anything you want, just takes a little skill to use

pauska

P&P?

Matt Bear

Pen and Paper

:p

pauska

8:10 PM

Ah. Funny pants on, eh.

Matt Bear

lol

I use Visio... mainly cause I haven't found anything better

pauska

@Zoredache Hmm... maybe use Excel as a "database", and link Visio to it?

Falcon Momot

@MattBear libreoffice draw!!!

Matt Bear

SpiceWorks might have somthing

Tanner

Ever have something so fucking stupid happen you just have to walk out? BRB...

Zoredache

8:13 PM

@MDMarra printers.

Matt Bear

@Pauska if you do find a good way of doing it, let me know!

Ry Jones

man, I love that this is room 127

it's like 3/4 the reason I hang out here

Wesley

Magellan

Heh.

Ry Jones

I bet that guy has a hard time in life.

any time someone thinks of asking him a question, they just jot down "aliens"

Magellan

8:16 PM

I miss History Channel pre-reality tv

MDMarra

@Zoredache But he spelled out printers in the next sentence.

-1

Q: Terminal Services connection slow over VPN

I just started with a company and I've been asked to resolve a problem. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none so I'm looking for some help. We have a remote site (8 PC's and 6 prts) with cable modem business class service (10MG download and 1MG upload) with a VPN connection back to the mai...

networking vpn services terminal

What a mess this fellow is

Ry Jones

@Magellan ah, the hitler channel, I miss it as well

Cole

Just got my written job offer. Fuck, yeah

Ry Jones

@Cole now to quit with style!

Cole

haha

Matt Bear

8:18 PM

@Cole I want to see poop on desks!

Cole

POOP

Matt Bear

well... not literally, I don't actually want to see your poop

Magellan

Don't ask for what you don't really want.

Matt Bear

1 Cole 1 Cup?

Cole

1 Cole 5 Desks

Zoredache

8:20 PM

@MDMarra his bandwidth must be so bad that they are charging him per letter, that is why he abbreviated it. :p

Wesley

@Cole Better eat like four grand slam breakfasts at dennys before your last day

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Magellan so tell me what you want, what you really, really want

Magellan

I Don't want to see Poop! :)

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker Make it home aright? No luggage lost?

Cole

WOULD YOU RATHER SEE A BOOGER OR A POOP? GO.

Wesley

8:22 PM

@Cole I have to choose?! D=

Cole

Yes

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@Wesley yeah, everything came home just fine

Wesley

@Cole reddit.com/r/poop

@DennisKaarsemaker Where the cats happy to see you? =)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

At one point in the 1990s, 50% of all CDs produced worldwide were for AOL.

Cole

I'd rather see a poop than a booger.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

8:23 PM

@Wesley they're cats. So no :)

Magellan

congratz on surviving your visit to the monkey house, Dennis. :)

Dennis Kaarsemaker

:)

Wesley

@Magellan You invited him into your dungeon?

freiheit

8:35 PM

Always fun when the sunlight suddenly turns unusual colors.

MDMarra

@Zoredache hahahahhaha

Wesley

@freiheit I advised you to take a tiny hit out of the little brown bottle in my shaving kit. I said you won't need much, just a tiny taste.

MDMarra

@MDMarra - saying that Rob Lowe is an actor is stretching things a bit... Bryan Cranston, that's an actor. — joeqwerty 2 mins ago

gahhhhhhhhhh

GAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Mathias R. Jessen

@jscott I found an ugly way to remove the last ; - down to a single statement: pastebin.com/nggyQ84h

freiheit

@Wesley I'm confused. The bottle is tiny, so a tiny hit is the whole bottle, right?

Matt Bear

8:49 PM

@freiheit im confused as to what the hell is in it...

maybe its the stuff he puts on a rag to hold over his dates mouth, so he can get laid easier

freiheit

Adrenochrome

| Section2 = }} Adrenochrome (catecholamine o-quinone), chemical formula C9H9NO3, is a compound produced by the oxidation of adrenaline (epinephrine). The derivative carbazochrome is a hemostatic medication. It is unrelated to chrome (chromium). Chemistry In vivo, adrenochrome is synthesized by the oxidation of epinephrine. In vitro, silver oxide (Ag2O) is used as an oxidizing agent. Its presence is detected in solution by a pink color. The color turns brown upon polymerization. Effect on the brain Several small-scale studies (involving 15 or fewer test subjects) were done in the...

Magellan

@MattBear You people are really strange.

voretaq7

I GO AWAY FOR FIVE MINUTES AND @Wesley IS DRUGGING THE REGULARS?

SMACK BAD CAT!

freiheit

@voretaq7 He's my attorney now, apparently

Wesley

@voretaq7 He consented! HE CONSENTED!!

freiheit

8:55 PM

@Wesley You told me it was legal advice I couldn't refuse!

voretaq7

@freiheit ummm.... you know the only "bar card" he has is the "frequent drinker's club" right?

Wesley

@freiheit Shuttup and eat this cactus.

freiheit

@voretaq7 every 10th drink is free? Where I can get one of those?

voretaq7

"Are you a member of the bar?"
"Well, I'm a *regular* at **a** bar..."
"...Close enough."

2

someone star that shit so my markdown isn't wasted.

6

Magellan

@voretaq7 I see no markdown.

voretaq7

8:56 PM

@Magellan There is no markdown, only XML!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 markdown is always wasted.

2

voretaq7

@DennisKaarsemaker Markdown is better when you're wasted...

2

Magellan

@voretaq7 So XML is a TLA for Madness?

MDMarra

<typeface>
<bold>
<text>
"Well, I'm a regular at a bar..."
</text>
</bold>
</typeface>

freiheit

@Magellan Shockingly, the markdown works on the star wall, just not in the room... because... fucking markdown

Wesley

8:58 PM

@voretaq7 Instructions inclear. Markdown stuck in throat. MMPHPLS ADVMMMPHH

voretaq7

@Wesley wait wait wait - let me get the camera!

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@voretaq7 no, markdown doesn't get better until peyote..

Wesley

@voretaq7 If this ends up on uJizz I want some of the advertising profits.

2

MDMarra

I fucking give up. In trying to make a joke out of XML instead of markdown, I seem to have broken spacing with the "Fixed Font" option.

whatev

Wesley

@DennisKaarsemaker Everything is better with peyote!

I CAN HEAR COLORS!

Magellan

9:00 PM

@Wesley Ugh, No. Even weed gives me the spins.

Matt Bear

@Magellan Meth, smoke meth not weed

but only the blue shit

freiheit

@MattBear Do enough of that and you won't care that your teeth have fallen out, because you're too busy to eat anything ever, anyways...

Matt Bear

@freiheit I want to run an obesity center... You check in, sign waivers, and you cant leave or have visitors until I say so

Mathias R. Jessen

@MattBear That sounds horrible. I'll be sure to send some business your way

Matt Bear

I'll feed em a steady diet of meth, and carrots, and chase em around with a cattleprod

Magellan

9:03 PM

@MattBear yeah, that's not even funny. Seen way too many people come through at job[-3] who were "long-term" Meth users. Bad Shit, that.

Bodies were quiet literally falling apart.

Matt Bear

Hehe go all clockwork orange, show them pictures of junk food and shock em.. for weeks

Tanner

@MattBear ...you're going to give people meth and attempt to chase them with a cattle prod? I'd pay money to see that. You're getting your ass kicked.

freiheit

@Magellan So much easier to laugh about potheads. Meth people get scary in all sorts of ways.

Matt Bear

@Tanner nah, their fat, they cant run more then 10 feet

freiheit

@MattBear The meth makes it so they don't know that anymore.

Matt Bear

9:05 PM

@Magellan I know, we have a big meth problem in my area, had some friends get messed up by it

on the bright side... a couple of em went from 300+ lbs to like 170

Magellan

@MattBear Too bad they shortened their life expectancy by 60%.

Matt Bear

@Magellan yeah... meths fucking horrible

@Magellan whats the life expectancy on someone who's morbidly obese though?

David

I think you only lose about 5 years

Matt Bear

@David 10 years, just looked it up lol

freiheit

@MattBear And the life expectancy for a heavy meth user is 5 to 7 years?

Mathias R. Jessen

9:11 PM

I once read that the avg. life expectancy for krokodil addicts in russia is 2 years

Matt Bear

@freiheit ok... fuck meth lol

the cattleprod is still ok though right?

freiheit

@MattBear These are some variant of "users", right?

Matt Bear

@freiheit well yeah... a lot of users need to run more

and it would be good exercise for me, chasing their fat asses around zapping em

MDMarra

govuptime.com

2

Matt Bear

haha

time to find a new service provider

though so far, they have saved 500+ million?

David

9:20 PM

They better hurry if they want to keep 2 nines

Matt Bear

hehe you knows whats funny? they've been shut down for 3 days, I didn't even notice...

MDMarra

Try buying a home for the first time

FHA loans can't get approved right now

Though, there are other reasons you should avoid them

Matt Bear

if a service fails for days... and you don't notice, doesn't that mean its not needed?

if it wasn't all over the news, how many people would actually know?

David

Just because your sysadmin goes on vacation for a few days and nothing breaks doesn't mean you don't need a sysadmin

2

Goverment is like that too

Magellan

Well, now. This Amazon position might not be as bad as I was thinking.

Though @RyJones probably things I'm insane. =)

freiheit

9:27 PM

@MattBear The shutdown is delaying the release of new beers (label approval). It's impacting beer!

Tanner

@freiheit WTF. That shit just got real.

Matt Bear

@freiheit whaaaat!!! TO ARMS!!!

get your guns boys, lets go fix this

"Heres the damn budget, who disagrees? BANG Anyone else?"

BANG

something like

►

Tanner

@Magellan What changed your mind? (Besides the idea of driving a forklift)

Magellan

@Tanner You kidding? driving a forklift would be good. Come home physically tired at the end of the day, not mentally exhausted. Just not much money in it.

David

@MattBear They tried mob rule in France, it did not go well

Tanner

9:38 PM

@Magellan Eh, I got burnt out on that kind of work. Four years working graveyard as a janitor did me in. Would come home and sleep all day, get up and work all night. Wouldn't see people for hours. Wouldn't talk to my wife for days. Physically exhausted, but mind racing due to lack of contact and sheer boredom. Garbage cans are really boring. So are floors.

Magellan

@Tanner Yeah, did graveyard shift private security right after I moved here. The lack of contact with co-workers really sucks.

So Peeps, what's the new hotness for monitoring these days? OpenNMS? Icinga?

Falcon Momot

@MattBear that's kind of what happens in Canada, except that it's done by triggering an election instead of an auto da fe, and the people who opposed the money bill generally just lose their job :P

Wesley

@Magellan Zabbix

New old hawtness.

OpenNMS is a two fisted anal party foul.

3

freiheit

@FalconMomot Canadians must not be as good at gerrymandering as US Republicans, then...

Magellan

9:59 PM

Hot damn. 19 month old bootstrapping bug in Chef that's marked Major and still not even assigned let alone fixed.

Iain

DevOps!

Zoredache

10:26 PM

@freiheit I am curious why they act as if only republicans gerrymander, and that the same issue wouldn't be cause by Democrates trying to gerrymander republicans out of their district. Was there some supporting link I didn't see that actually supports the implied assertion that one party is responsible for this divisiveness?

freiheit

@Zoredache I didn't see them say that only republicans gerrymander. I read an article saying the republicans did a really smart job of fine tuning their gerrymandering for the 2010 elections.

Tanner

Do share permissions vs. ntfs permissions make a difference from a security standpoint?

Zoredache

@Tanner yes?

Tanner

We have stuff shared to 'Everyone', but the folder itself is restricted to a group. Is that A Bad Thing?

I dunno, it makes me sphincter tighten when I see 'Everyone' on a share.

Zoredache

@Tanner I have seen articles where Microsoft recommends that setup.

restricting things both at the share, and on the filesystem is a bit of a belt+suspenders type thing. If the NTFS acls are setup correctly, then the share permissions should matter much. The share permissions are not very specific so you can almost never rely on them alone.

Wesley

10:32 PM

@Tanner Typically you make share permissions be full control / everyone and then let NTFS permissions handle the rest. At least that's the way I've always done it and seen supposed Windows security folk say to do it. I've always found share permissions to be extraneous and a wild card that bites you in the butt later anyway.

Ryan Ries

Agreed @Wesley

Tanner

@Zoredache @Wesley @RyanRies Thanks!

Ryan Ries

Well I kinda just lied

Tanner

Oh, didn't know that. Interesting...

Magellan

Oh F Me. One position I was considering applying to actually has a job requirement of knowing how to use & create PERT & Gantt charts.

Wesley

10:36 PM

@RyanRies I'll respond to your emails shortly, but the 60 minute test recording just finished and all is well.

Ryan Ries

@Tanner Actually don't listen to me right now -- it's not the default on all versions of Windows

I gotta' be careful when shooting my mouth of like that :)

MDMarra

@Tanner Share permissions are an artifact from the FAT days when there weren't filesystem permissions. Unless your file server is FAT32, then Share - Everyone - Full Control is normal.

Tanner

@MDMarra heh... Now I'm wondering if we have any FAT32 volumes out there.

MDMarra

Is that legitimately a real concern?

Ryan Ries

If you got Windows 95 computers in your enterprise, I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems, but FAT32 aint one.

84104

10:51 PM

@RyanRies I think me might still have a Win 3.11 operating somewhere around here.

MDMarra

If you're havin' filesystem problems, I feel bad for you son, I got 2147483648 problems, but the next byte ain't one.

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Tanner

There was an NT box floating around here when I first started. You never know what's laying around...

Ry Jones

@Magellan Amazon, eh?

Ryan Ries

NT...

NT... NTFS....

Magellan

@RyJones That one's not Amazon, thank goodness. But yeah, talked with a recruiter today and they're going to hook me up with another phone screen.

Ryan Ries

10:53 PM

Did I just get out-JayZ'ed by @MDMarra ?

MDMarra

Sorry, son. The streets are tough.

Ryan Ries

I just sent out an email in which I expressed some... concerns over the competency of the architecture team for a project... :#

Magellan

@RyJones Initial discussion sounded like it was some pure help desk role and that was as described a guy on the team. Noises coming from recruiting seem to indicate that structural changes around long-term customer accounts and tech specialization are underway and that the new people are getting put in based on the new paradigm.

Tanner

@RyanRies Just saying things don't get upgraded too often. Majority of our shares are from i5/OS. Would not surprise me at all if we still had a FAT32 volume lurking somewhere for 'compatibility reasons'.

MDMarra

What's i5/OS?

Tanner

10:57 PM

@MDMarra AS400

MDMarra

oh

Ryan Ries

@Tanner Don't forget to refill the water in the batteries for that thing :P

MDMarra

ya dude that's tough

Ry Jones