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12:02 AM

We're replacing our Win 2000 server with a 2012 server Soon™. Soooo excited for dedupe.

MDMarra

it's nice

2012 R2 I hope!

jscott

12:20 AM

@MathiasR.Jessen Very nice. I've trimmed the opening move to: $a = $(Get-ADObject -SearchB "CN=Policies,$((Get-ADDomain).SystemsContainer)" -L '(objectClass=groupPolicyContainer)')

Falcon Momot

12:42 AM

@MichaelHampton man is that bold and against the grain. that goes against so much dogma...

and yet, actually, because ipsec, it's perfectly OK.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot It gets rid of one massive central point of failure, too.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton if you depend on it. awesome people do both.

Falcon Momot

1:54 AM

@freiheit oh, it's not because of gerrymandering, it's because constitutionally the government immediately loses its mandate when a spending bill is defeated, and Canadians tend to brutally punish any party that is seen to have brought down the government for its own political ends even if it means voting against their ideals (see: current conservative majority due to liberal manipulations)

Wesley

2:27 AM

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Ryan Ries

2:40 AM

Wow... I was not so angry before, but I just realized, nasa.gov is down. And now I'm sincerely pissed. Our stupid, old, shit politicians are acting like children right now and the whole country is paying for it. I swear to god, I will vote against everyone in office right now.

Mathias R. Jessen

wow... what's up with the horrible font in powershell @ Win 8.1

Michael Hampton

@MathiasR.Jessen I dunno what you're talking about. It looks the same to me.

Mathias R. Jessen

@MichaelHampton the font size was strange, but it's all good now

Joel E Salas

woooo installing KVM boxes

Danila Ladner

3:23 AM

@MichaelHampton I've experienced 4 times for last 2 years.

Mean SES being down

Falcon Momot

3:51 AM

@RyanRies man, if I were a US citizen I'd be starting a petition to change the constitution so this can never happen.

MDMarra

The longer this goes on the more seats the republican will lose in 2014

I'm not sweating it. Short term pain, long term gains, hopefully.

MikeyB

@FalconMomot GOVERNMENT NEEDS A REBOOT. CONTACT DC (comics)

Michael Hampton

Reboot? The thing is older than NT and should have been decommissioned and replaced years ago.

MikeyB

@JoelESalas Really? My T510 with Thinkpad dock works perfectly.

Anyways, I've taken my NSA-compliant Cisco Meraki MR12 and figured out how to access the serial port on it. Too bad I don't have a 3.3V serial adapter. D'OH!

Current status: searching for a decent one.

Falcon Momot

@MDMarra I'm hoping the blame lands squarely on the shoulders of the tea partiers.

though it's possible that this isn't exactly where it belongs, I still hope that they are blamed :P

Ryan Ries

4:01 AM

Born and raised in Texas, I can tell you that I am surrounded by 'tea-partiers'

I was literally in a conversation today where a coworker of mine defended the position that people should be allowed to drive with no license. Because a driver's license is all about 'government control, man.'

I want to leave this state, please.

MDMarra

When Ron Paul did an AMA someone asked him if he thought doctors should need a medical license. Which is a hilarious question to ask a libertarian physician

Unfortunately, he never answered it.

Ryan Ries

I'm pretty sick of libertarians too. I thought I was one, back when I was 18 years old. No one past 18 years old should think that, though.

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies Now now, what's with the extremism?

Falcon Momot

I am a very moderate libertarian. I'd like the government to not meddle, but I still like that it exists, and certainly I don't think it doing research and acting to stabilize the economy impinges in any significant way upon my freedom.

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton Libertarianism is the quintessence of extremism.

Falcon Momot

4:09 AM

I mean, I recognize that unchecked, the government comes up with things like prohibition, and the alberta eugenics board, and the Indian Act (Canada), and 90km/h speed limits on open freeways.

and unchecked it begins spying on people to see whether they have paid their taxes, the constitution be damned.

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies Oh really?

Ryan Ries

I mean everyone well and I don't mean to get into an argument, but I'm just trying to say that I was told by some people who fancy themselves as libertarians, that we shouldn't need driver's licenses to drive, because driver's licenses are all about government control. Well, I'm sorry, but I've seen those Youtube videos of the Russian dash-cams, and I think the world is a better place if unlicensed people don't drive. That's all.

Michael Hampton

Gee, thanks a lot.

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton What do you mean?

Wesley

@RyanRies Really? Someone said that? About drivers licenses?

Michael Hampton

4:22 AM

I don't know the people you were speaking to or how extremist they are, so I'm not going to judge them. But I will say I haven't had a license for 15 years and I'm a better driver than 99% of the rest of the lunatics out on the road.

Wesley

@MichaelHampton As witnessed by not having been pulled over and needing a license check. =)

Michael Hampton

It's not the license that makes a good driver. It's good training, attentiveness and experience. In theory, anyway, these don't have to be provided by the government; it could be done by, for instance, AAA, or BMW's advanced driving school, or whatever.

(And my own political views are likely to make anything you've heard in Texas seem positively moderate.)

@Wesley I once did 15-over right by a cop, on an empty road, and didn't get pulled over. I suspect in hindsight that he was asleep.

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton So nothing need be required of you to take the wheel of a 2000 pound automobile and just whatever you feel like, with all of those other people out there on the road who also fear for their lives? That seems to be the sticky point for libertarians, is how all those other people in the world might feel.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: quebec needs a eugenics board. That should get rid of all of em ;p

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies I suspect you have some serious misconceptions about libertarianism. Maybe it's because of the people you've heard about it from. Of course, the rights of all those other people are of grave concern; an actual libertarian would not want to do anything to harm them, even accidentally.

Which is why we have things like insurance. What really concerns me, as a libertarian, is the uninsured drivers who don't know how to drive and don't give a shit about anyone else, licensed or not.

MDMarra

4:33 AM

So I'll ask you the question from the Ron Paul AMA. Should physicians need to be licensed to practice?

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra No, they should be able to prove they know what they're doing.

Ryan Ries

Prove it on whom!?!?!?!

On you??

I don't want to be their proving grounds

MDMarra

So you'd be ok getting brain surgery from a guy without a license saying he's done X hours of residency and has a degree?

Michael Hampton

What the hell does the license prove?

MDMarra

That they've passed certain milestones in their training in the field.

Michael Hampton

4:37 AM

Again, this is not something that you need a government to do.

MDMarra

And that they have been verified to have passed them by the national board of medical examiners.

Michael Hampton

See above.

MDMarra

Actually the NBME is not a government agency

Michael Hampton

Then why don't they just issue the licenses?

MDMarra

It's a non-profit

@MichaelHampton huh? They do.

Michael Hampton

4:39 AM

Then where does the government come into this?

MDMarra

But states require that license to practice.

The issuing body isn't a governmental organization but states require the license to practice

Michael Hampton

Why can't I cut the state out of it, and I will require the license to practice?

MDMarra

I used to work for ECFMG which is right across the street from NBME and do the same thing except for foreign doctors practicing in the US

@MichaelHampton because how can the average healthcare seeker verify that one credential is as good as another? And how can penalties be enforced for forged/faked credentials that then endanger the public?

Michael Hampton

How do I verify that you have an MCSE?

MDMarra

My MCSE doesn't entitle me to do a triple bypass on a heart attack victim.

Michael Hampton

4:43 AM

In such a case the hospital will verify the doctor's MCSE. You think they want bad doctors around doing surgeries?

MDMarra

And the average person wouldn't know what an MCSE means. But the average person does need medical care.

Ryan Ries

Fucking hell @MDMarra you just cost me a malpractice suit,

MDMarra

Sorry bro

Michael Hampton

No, but seriously, how do I verify someone holds an MCSE?

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton A verifying authority.

MDMarra

4:43 AM

I give you my MCSE number and you can call Microsoft with it

Michael Hampton

Or whatever they're calling it this month.

Well, that sounds too easy.

MDMarra

Or if you're a partner and I employ you, you associate your MCP ID with my org and I can see your certs.

Ryan Ries

There are things in a well functioning society that are not in anyone's best interest.

Libertarians act like we are all in our own vacuum.

MDMarra

Alright, I'm going to sleep. Try not to overthrow the government while I'm gone.

Michael Hampton

@RyanRies You've definitely met the wrong people. Or they're really bad at explaining things.

Ryan Ries

4:46 AM

@MDMarra I was so close

Michael Hampton

@MDMarra Naa, won't happen tonight. It's a pretty big project.

Ryan Ries

@MichaelHampton Well I am all ears. And I promise I'm not being facetious. I'm seriously open to new ideas.

Michael Hampton

And today I successfully opened a bank account without ID.

@RyanRies Um... it's going to be a long night if I type everything out myself. Do you want a reading list? And no I don't mean Ayn Rand.

Actually it's a pretty short reading list. One book :)

amazon.com/Healing-Our-World-Age-Aggression/dp/0963233661/…

And if you can't be bothered to buy it or pirate it, you can read the previous edition for free online.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: heh. I do tend to think libertarianism in a nutshell really is "government is by force - we need a system where people work together for mutual good, rather than fear"

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I think you've grasped the essence of it. It's about respecting the choices of others, even when you disagree with them. Providing, of course, that they aren't harming you.

Journeyman Geek

4:57 AM

and give people enough power, and they want to keep it

@MichaelHampton: ZAP? ;p

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek I see you've heard of it.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

My personal political philosophy is close, but not quite

(and I used to read a webcomic by some an-cap people for the storyline ;p)

Michael Hampton

Escape from Terra?

Journeyman Geek

yup

I had a sad when they killed it off

Michael Hampton

I don't think I ever quite finished it.

Journeyman Geek

5:00 AM

I think they had some funding issues and felt the other storyline they were working on was more worth the effort

but EFT felt plausible in many respects, not just in terms of politics

it was actually decent hard sci fi

Falcon Momot

5:17 AM

you know, you might call me crazy for this, but I actually didn't mind Atlas Shrugged (despite that most of the political ideas in it were obviously just a reaction to having lived in the USSR)

Michael Hampton

I generally think of Atlas Shrugged as way over the top, though I'll take good ideas wherever I find them.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think rand's books are depressing

Falcon Momot

I like some government, but I could seriously do without things like agricultural marketing boards and the Canada Pension Plan (which they want to double, so that I can pay for seniors who didn't save, in the hopes of getting a quarter of a living wage in my own retirement when I am 95).

Michael Hampton

5:33 AM

I like... um... uh... the Government Accountability Office?

Falcon Momot

I could also do with a simplified tax code, so they can sack half the staff of the canada revenue agency, and wouldn't need to send me to collections over things I don't owe (aren't they happy with their third of my income?)

Michael Hampton

You only pay a third? You're getting off cheap!

Falcon Momot

I live in Alberta.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Ah, yes. I understand there are more cows than people there.

Falcon Momot

did you know that in Saskatchewan the provincial government still retails booze?

Michael Hampton

5:35 AM

@FalconMomot Several U.S. states still do that.

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton there are also more cows than useless regulations.

I'd like for the government to continue providing healthcare, though perhaps we could do without auto insurance laws.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: I think the big issue for me is most politicians seem to have forgotten that governance is a service

Falcon Momot

(at this point the auto insurance system is like a government that is allowed to revoke your right to drive unless you're really rich, and adjudicates cases with effectively no judicial oversight)

@JourneymanGeek hmm, here they've not.

they just perform services nobody really wants.

but then

Journeyman Geek

the old guard here had people who worked without pay. The current government ties its salary with the top 10%

and guess what?

Falcon Momot

the provincial government doesn't perform many unwanted services. the federal government does.

Michael Hampton

5:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yes, it's become an all-you-can-eat buffet.

Journeyman Geek

we basically lost our edge. AND our government is trying to scare us by saying that foreigners are going to steal our lunch, while encouraging immegration.

Falcon Momot

I like having an army, as long as it doesn't police the streets

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: our army is bloated

and outsources a shitload of stuff to ST

Falcon Momot

I like having police, as long as they actually protect people from undue harm caused by other people, instead of harrassing people at random for things like speeding and having pot.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Careful, saying things like that can get you put on an extremist watch list.

Falcon Momot

5:40 AM

@MichaelHampton They're welcome to watch all they like, because though I'd rather they not waste my money spying on me, I don't trust my privacy on things that really matter to the goodwill of the government.

Michael Hampton

Speaking of privacy, WHY IN HOLY FUCK does Tor still use 1024-bit RSA keys?

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton That is hardly the biggest problem with TOR.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: those who have done nothing wrong have nothing to hide. Which is why governments love to hide things.

Michael Hampton

OK, let's have the laundry list.

Falcon Momot

no, no laundry list. a systemic problem.

imagine you are an ISP, or the NSA.

now do you see the problem?

Journeyman Geek

5:42 AM

in addition, I think we should be spending the money thats being spent on spying on feeding poor people, healthcare, and other socialistic things.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot IT's almost 2 am here. Better spell it out. :)

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton ok. I have a bazillion IP ranges and public IPs and VMs. I have more bandwidth than God. Perhaps I have 1000 VPSes all over the fucking place. So, I operate lots and lots of nodes.

there are three things I can do with this.

I can operate lots of exit nodes and watch you log into facebook and tell me who you are (even though I don't know your IP, I've skipped that step). Thanks to those fucking comment boxes I can make you log into facebook really easily.

ok, so you only use TOR for certain sites to protect against that... I inject a link to my site (which changes a lot so you don't know what it is) with a GUID in it, and now I know your real IP and associated that with the traffic on your stream in the exit node.

imagine now that I have so many goddamn nodes that I control every hop from and including your entry node to your exit node. not much point to the onion routing - you just used the NSA as your proxy and MitMed yourself.

or suppose I only control your first hop. I know where you are and that you're using TOR.

Michael Hampton

NoScript. Forbid by default. Oh, your site requires JS? Flash? JAVA? Fuck you then.

How do you know it's the first hop?

Falcon Momot

you don't need any active content - an <img src=...> will work for one of those

to know it's the first hop is somewhat more difficult, though someone I know explained how to do that to me once. I've since forgotten.

however

if you have all the metadata the NSA could get with prism, you actually could tell, because TOR packets would go out which don't correlate with an inbound one.

there's an easier way to tell that I'm forgetting.

that said - imagine you have the exit node. You include images in lots of pages, and you watch your input nodes for correlated HTTP requests by time and size.

Michael Hampton

OK, I use Tor at Starbucks...but I actually connect to the WiFi of the restaurant across the street.

Falcon Momot

5:51 AM

as well you should.

then there is almost no value in your IP.

you'd have to do something personally identifiable.

Michael Hampton

Well, there's some value in that I can see them coming and pretend to be an innocent bystander :)

Falcon Momot

and a lot of people don't seem to get that privacy is more about the links between things than the things themselves.

Michael Hampton

I generally advise people needing extreme security to never use Tor twice from the same location (or visit it twice).

Falcon Momot

and they think that using facebook through tor is better than using it not through tor.

you should also use a computer you've never typed anything personally identifiable into.

Michael Hampton

I bought a netbook at random at Wal-Mart. Its default operating system never even got booted...

Falcon Momot

5:53 AM

and consider using a LAA for your MAC

Michael Hampton

macchanger!

Falcon Momot

and change it every time you use the computer.

or yeah, don't use an LAA. LAAs are easier.

the point being someone could hack the WAP you are accessing and get your MAC off it, and trace you as you hop from place to place, and thereby infer who you are.

Michael Hampton

Speaking of hacking the WAP... WPS is still everywhere.

Falcon Momot

I think there is getting to be more WPS, not less :P

Michael Hampton

I think my neighbors' passwords are astoundingly bad.

Falcon Momot

5:55 AM

do they at least change them often?

Michael Hampton

Change? Change password? That's a joke, right?

Falcon Momot

you said "passwords" and not "password", so I was wondering.

Michael Hampton

I have more than one neighbor?

Falcon Momot

aah, "neighbours'", not "neighbour's". got it.

Michael Hampton

Yes, that's what that apostrophe in that position means. :)

Falcon Momot

5:57 AM

I didn't notice it. tired.

I had to write two essays today.

Michael Hampton

So yeah, Tor isn't perfect and you have to be quite vigilant to use it safely. But what's really burning my ass right now is the sorry state of hidden services.

Falcon Momot

for one of them, someone from MIT asked a question only I could answer, and someone asked me to give one or two sentences back... but really it wasn't something that had a 2-sentence answer.

I consider it a personal achievement that, in the reply, the guy replying said (paraphrased) "I asked Falcon for 2 or 3 sentences explaining this. Following is an excerpt from what I got back." <2 page paper about the tech>

Michael Hampton

Nice.

Falcon Momot

:D

Michael Hampton

So apparently a paper came out earlier this year, showing how to locate a hidden service in less than day and/or under $10,000 in AWS charges.

Falcon Momot

6:01 AM

probably a similar principle to the one I mentioned.

if you can run enough nodes you can compromise whatever anonymity or data you like on TOR.

however, the NSA does seem to have put quite a bit of effort into finding novel ways to break it

which leads me to believe 2 things:

1. They don't find it as easy to crack RSA-1024 yet as it might appear at first glance

Michael Hampton

The $10,000 option took 8 months. The one day option required several hostile nodes. Or maybe I misunderstood something.

Falcon Momot

2. They are actually slightly concerned that they can't consistently break it at whim 100% of the time

I didn't read it

Michael Hampton

Save for Later: ieee-security.org/TC/SP2013/papers/4977a080.pdf

Falcon Momot

but I know that with enough hostile nodes you can do whatever you like.

mm, thanks.

Wesley

@FalconMomot Before I head off to bed, how's your mom?

(No, that's not the lead-in to a urmom joke =P )

Falcon Momot

6:05 AM

@Wesley not dead, but still stuck in the hospital, alas.

Michael Hampton

So, to mitigate this with the current version of Tor, I figure I would have to move the hidden service at least once a day. This is a logistical nightmare.

Falcon Momot

I saw her on Tue. and she was able to talk without gasping again.

Wesley

@FalconMomot Is she recovering? Do they have an action plan to aid her?

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton That might do more harm than good, unless you can ensure all the places you move it to don't expose your identity.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot I can ensure that, but only at great expense, and by carefully choosing the providers. Unfortunately one problem is that there aren't enough providers to choose from.

Falcon Momot

6:06 AM

@Wesley yeah, slowly recovering. she was doing fine, but apparently by pure coincidence she came down with another condition requiring GI surgery as she was recovering from the brain surgery :(

Wesley

@FalconMomot D=

Falcon Momot

@Wesley they are doing an amazing job, mind you - they always do, here, and if you need something you get it, but it's taking forever.

@MichaelHampton yes, that is certainly a major drawback, and it would be a tightrope walk to keep it away from your identity.

or, anyway, away from the identity that can be found and arrested.

Wesley

@FalconMomot A'ight - well, keep us posted. I'm off!

Falcon Momot

@Wesley night! thanks for your concern!

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot I don't think most people in the Tor community realize just how broken hidden services are right now. Nobody seems to be taking it very seriously or doing any significant work on it.

Nobody but the NSA, that is.

Falcon Momot

6:10 AM

I'm not sure, of course, that I would rely on TOR to protect against association between the hidden service and me. I'd buy the VPS for it with some nontraceable means, like a foreign prepaid credit card paid for in cash by someone else who then had it sent to a dead drop :P

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot You mean like the ones they sell at the customer service desk at the Edmonton Mall?

Falcon Momot

@MichaelHampton sure, as long as it has a visa logo, and the person buying it doesn't know where it's going or who or what it's for, and preferably doesn't write down their name or ID or whatever.

Michael Hampton

@FalconMomot Hmmm. I can buy that service with bitcoins already :)

Falcon Momot

bitcoin, in my view, has a severe problem in that it keeps an indelible transaction log for eternity.

Michael Hampton

It's a feature, not a bug.

Journeyman Geek

6:13 AM

which can be traced

Falcon Momot

nevermind the utter uselessness of bitcoin economically.

Michael Hampton

Haha. If you think bitcoin is useless, you've never tried to send money to someone in another country.

Falcon Momot

(relatedly: it makes me laugh that there exist goldbugs who also love bitcoin)

I don't think it's useless, but I don't think it's a viable currency.

it is certainly not a store of value.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: oh, its useful as a way to send money, but as things are, its still massively volatile.

Michael Hampton

We'll find out in a couple of hundred years, right?

Falcon Momot

6:14 AM

it won't take a couple hundred years for it to go away.

Michael Hampton

Hmm. Well, people have been writing and rewriting Bitcoin's obituary for years now.

Falcon Momot

it's hard to tell when it will be irrelevant, but I'm sure it will eventually be.

Michael Hampton

Like the hundreds of articles that were written, that you didn't see published this week, about how Bitcoin collapsed and died after the Silk Road bust.

Falcon Momot

hahaha

Journeyman Geek

oh, collapsed no

Michael Hampton

6:18 AM

Oh, I'm sure it will eventually be replaced by something even better. But right now, no such thing exists.

Falcon Momot

if the governments of the world are able to use the transaction log to make arrests I'm sure it will take a big hit.

of course, their technical competence is low

but... who knows? maybe someone can do it who will do it.

given what the NSA has been up to, maybe they will do it.

Journeyman Geek

it'll be around. I'm just waiting for maybe 5-6 years before it stops being volatile, and to see if the weak link, the exchanges survive or go decentralised.

@FalconMomot: remember the klebs getting sent cocaine story?

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek you really need to trust the exchanges.

Journeyman Geek

he got a uni researcher to follow the bitcoin trail

Falcon Momot

you give them value and hope they give you value in return.

Journeyman Geek

6:20 AM

@FalconMomot: they're also vulnerable to government interference even if they're clean

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek as we have seen.

Michael Hampton

Most of my Bitcoin transactions recently have been ... paying or being paid for goods and services. I haven't done an exchange on an exchange in over a year; when they happened they've all been OTC.

Yep, Mt. Gox is now fully under the control of the US AML crap.

Which is why I don't go there anymore.

Falcon Momot

Heh.

if it weren't for prohibition, money laundering wouldn't be such a big deal.

Michael Hampton

There probably wouldn't be any such thing.

Falcon Momot

I would be a lot more OK with governments being able to trace transactions if those transactions were in things like murder weapons and not in bales of weed.

but as it is, it's the government sticking their nose into my business in order to stick their nose into my business.

Michael Hampton

6:26 AM

You get the general idea.

Falcon Momot

I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but I really don't like meddling.

Michael Hampton

And yes, it might not be impossible to trace a Bitcoin transaction, but I would venture to say that it's much more difficult than tracing a bank wire transfer.

Falcon Momot

hmm, debateable.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: bales? Thats a lot of weed ;p

Falcon Momot

I think that, if the person wants to actually do something with the bitcoins, it might be approximately as easy in many cases.

Michael Hampton

6:27 AM

Depends on whether he took his coins to the Bitcoin Laundry.

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek it's not like the stuff is especially expensive.

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: or use multiple wallets in multiple locations.

@FalconMomot: wouldn't know ;p

Michael Hampton

(And yes, the Bitcoin Laundry is an actual Tor hidden service.)

Falcon Momot

@JourneymanGeek I believe the going rate is about 2.5-4k a pound?

Journeyman Geek

thats not cheap ;p

Falcon Momot

6:29 AM

do you have any idea just how much weed that is?

Journeyman Geek

also, you DO know what my government feels about drugs, right?

half a kilo?

Michael Hampton

Don't they execute people who might have just been in the same room as marijuana?

Falcon Momot

lol

Journeyman Geek

and you generally don't use much

@MichaelHampton: naw, you need to be stupid enough to carry it with you

Falcon Momot

I don't know many people who could finish off that much of it in a year.

Michael Hampton

6:30 AM

Or have it stuck to your shoe.

Falcon Momot

it's considerably cheaper than retail tobacco.

Journeyman Geek

which I don't smoke either ;p

thats dubai tho

Falcon Momot

well I mean

Journeyman Geek

they don't hang people

and they are PRETTY crazy about drugs

even worse than us

Falcon Momot

it's not actually cheaper by weight... it's actually about 1000x the price of tobacco by weight.

Journeyman Geek

6:31 AM

they jailed someone for herbal suppliments.

Falcon Momot

gah

see

at least we don't live in that much of a police state :P

Journeyman Geek

they make singapore look mild.

Michael Hampton

Dubai is definitely not in my travel plans.

Journeyman Geek

I can't remember if dubai chops heads

and thats the daily mail

its a scaremongering rag

Michael Hampton

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7234786.stm

BBC, scaremongering rag?

Journeyman Geek

6:34 AM

naw, The beeb just hates everyone.

Falcon Momot

hmm, remind me never to travel through Dubai

Capital punishment in the United Arab Emirates

Capital punishment is legal in the United Arab Emirates. The UAE continues to perform executions for multiple crimes. The sole method of execution under Emirati law is firing squad. Current laws allow the death penalty for treason, murder, homosexuality, serious rape, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, terrorism, and drug trafficking. The last execution was in 2012 for murder. It was carried out by firing squad in a prison.

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Journeyman Geek

ahh

Falcon Momot

6:50 AM

I really can't understand why the state is so concerned about the chance that people might do this one particular disadvantageous thing to themselves, while simultaneously not requiring that people get a university education and a good job :P

Michael Hampton

There's no money in that.

Or, more to the point, no political power.

Falcon Momot

mm.

in fact, less.

though at least in theory there is no ruling caste

but the government seems to think like there is.

Michael Hampton

What do you think a government is?

Journeyman Geek

@FalconMomot: in asia, there's still dynastic politics. A party is merely an unrelated 'family' of polticians.

Michael Hampton

@JourneymanGeek Who says they have to be unrelated?

Journeyman Geek

7:03 AM

no difference between voting for a ghandi or the democrats simply cause of what they are.

Michael Hampton

I'm halfway expecting to see a third Bush run for the White House.

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Journeyman Geek

@MichaelHampton: plausible but not entirely necessary

Michael Hampton

Woah. Somebody self-immolated on the National Mall.

Journeyman Geek

7:18 AM

what the hell is going on?

Michael Hampton

The U.S. is coming apart at the seams?

Journeyman Geek

didn't someone try to crash the white house last week?

more lile all the crazies are coming out of the woodwork

Michael Hampton

It was just the previous day!

We have 300 million people. Two crazies in a week is statistical noise.

Journeyman Geek

yes and no

you obviously have events motivating the crazies

Michael Hampton

Though, if you're going to crash into a D.C. building, you should first steal a tank.

Journeyman Geek

7:30 AM

they probably have plans for that happening

Michael Hampton

7:40 AM

I can think of much more effective ways of destroying a government building, some of which even offer the possibility of getting away. These people are just ... I dunno.

Falcon Momot

8:02 AM

Journeyman Geek

8:38 AM

heh

I have a friend who'd get a kick out of it.

Mathias R. Jessen

1:01 PM

Hmmm.... How can i dispute the delivery status of an amazon order?

Iain

1:16 PM

@ewwhite any tips for improving my cycling up hills ?

MDMarra

@MathiasR.Jessen got a server 2003 box around?

Or anyone really

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra I have a virtual 2003 in the lab

why?

MDMarra

Can you test something for me? Or are you nowhere near it?

I dont have 2003 installed anywhere

Mathias R. Jessen

sure, what up?

MDMarra

nevermind, just found the answer

I was going to ask you if you could see if get-windowsfeature works on it

but according to technet it does not :(

Mathias R. Jessen

1:22 PM

It doesn't, I toyed around with it a bit when we pushed PoSh 2.0 to all 2003 boxes

8.1 is pretty sweet

Just ordered new RAM blocks for my laptop as well, time to play round with Hyper-V 3.0

MDMarra

I also have RAM and an SSD for my 8.1 laptop on order

im trying to write a script that will get all installed roles on all DCs. Oclist.exe does it for 2008. get-windowsfestures does it for everything newer. I'm scratching my head on 2003 though.

Mathias R. Jessen

@MDMarra It's WMI time

MDMarra

ya

Mathias R. Jessen

gwmi Win32_OptionalFeature -Filter "InstallState = 1"|select Name

MDMarra

I need to fire up 2003

I also found win32_serverfeature

wait 2008+ only

damnit

Mathias R. Jessen