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12:37 AM

"Microsoft, Google, and Amazon have the experience and the engineering depth to get operational and security issues right." -Ed Bott
lulz. I knew there was a reason I didn't like him.

@TomOConnor I keep Facebook very well hidden. =) It's the one and only place online that I actually serious-up and share real things.

Well, "realer" I suppose. Looking over what I've shared in the last year, I suppose I'm just as evasive there as elsewhere, only slightly more personable in my evasiveness. =)

Holocryptic

NHL player is out with an "infected hand". Well ok then. I'll just be over here cleaning my guns for the coming zombie hockey apocalypse.

I'm not fond of FB. About the only reason I keep it around is for family

I'm more "myself" on Twitter than I am with family on FB. Strange, that.

WesleyDavid

@Holocryptic Pretty much me too. Except, I don't have family on Facebook but other people that I've grown close to. Oddly, the people I trust most are some folks I've met online and have never met in person.

Holocryptic

yep

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Who the heck is that?

WesleyDavid

Never heard of Ed Bott? Long time IT analyst and author of many Windows OS books.

Quote is from this article, page 2: zdnet.com/blog/bott/…

Shane Madden

12:44 AM

@WesleyDavid I guess I should read more Windows books. Or less. Not sure which.

growse

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Q: Build a small business gigabit network

I'm looking to build a gigabit network for a small business of mine. Within the network, I have: 1 Mac server functioning as internal file server, nothing public. 1 Windows server functioning as a web server with several sites on it. 3 Mac clients I need to: Be able to route incoming http r...

"HAI, I NEED EVERYTHING. WHO DO I GIVE MY CREDIT CARD TO?"

SU sent it to SF

Brilliant.

Holocryptic

FFS, now SU is sending us their shit?

growse

Can we send it back? That'd be amazing.

Shane Madden

I just flagged that on SU with the following:

This should not have been migrated, as shopping questions are no more on topic on SF as they are on SU, or any other Stack Exchange site.  Moderators should know better.. please revert migration.

Holocryptic

good man

@growse I don't want to bounce it back and forth. Just kill it here

Shane Madden

12:50 AM

It was a diamond move, from one of the diamond names that I recognized from chatpocalypse.

@WesleyDavid Where does ZDnet get this garbage? I don't run across their stuff regularly, but what I do is always drivel.

Hahaha.. my flag on SU was marked helpful, and no action was taken.

Holocryptic

I wonder if we have to revert from here...?

WesleyDavid

fucking-markdown

Shane Madden

@Holocryptic The revert system is kinda a mess, I think. They need to nuke the migration history on the original question - but that leaves the migrated copy in place over here. So, they may just be waiting to reset until they can get in touch with a mod here to delete the migrated copy. I'll go ahead and assume that, because I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

WesleyDavid

Okay, I'm going to go postal.

>_<

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Is there a limit on edit count for a single message?

WesleyDavid

12:56 AM

Moving on before I commit my lifetime's worth of felonies in one night...

Shane Madden

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/2837450/history

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Apparently it's not within practical reach if there is one. =)

ZDNet is legendary, is it not?

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid You'll hit the time limit first, I guess.

Yeah.. do they just gather the most bizarre and baseless opinions and have people write article on them, or what?

WesleyDavid

@growse Am I missing something? The guy has searched "everything" and he can't find things that fit his needs? Every networking device manufactured after 1996 would suffice his scenario.

@ShaneMadden Well, they have IT analysts write things, so the whole "bizarre and baseless opinions" thing is a given.

Shane Madden

Because Google and Microsoft have never had major security breaches. Google didn't get spear-phished and lose a bunch of code to China. Microsoft doesn't have to release a swarm of updates for remote code execution every single friggin month.

To say nothing about being able to just throw resources at engineering problems. Ask Amazon and RIM about massive infrastructure outages.

WesleyDavid

12:59 AM

I'm ripping pages from @Iain's book of rep building and waiting until the major players are offline and then answering the low hanging fruit questions that will likely be closed in an hour. =)

Well, @ShaneMadden is still here, but at least I don't have to contend with Quanta.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid I haven't caught up on questions since a few hours ago - you're home free until I get back from walking my dog. Get to it!

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Gotta eat and watch something on the TV, so... shakes fist

Walk longer!

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Hell no, it's cold!

WesleyDavid

Oh yes, you people who live in non-tropical zones. Pity.

Damn

Markdown, Y U NO LIKE UNICODE?!

Tom O'Connor

Right. Baskettime.

WesleyDavid

2:31 AM

WesleyDavid

2:55 AM

@Iain How about a search that looks for questions with an accepted answer, but the question itself has no upvotes? I saw a thread like tonight that and it was sad. I'm sure some deserve nothing, but I would think that is a question was 1) Good enough to garner responses, and 2) The OP was nice enough to courteously reward an accepted answer, that the question itself should get an upvote.

@Iain Oh! Oh! How about accepted answers that have 9 or 24 upvotes? I always toss out an upvote to give the answerer a badge. =)

WesleyDavid

3:31 AM

Can anyone else get to this page? It's the Secretary of State in South Carolina: sos.sc.gov

Seems like they have a rather broad IP address ban and no network I've tried to reach it from is accepted.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Blocked here too. Googles don't turn anything up on google.com/search?&q=site:sos.sc.gov - seems like their real site is scsos.com

maybe the .gov is their internal naming only?

WesleyDavid

Hosers.

That's a good point though. Hadn't thought about that. I don't know where the guy that's complainign to me got that URL.

Shane Madden

Yeah - that was one of my favorite rants when I worked in government.. entities not using .gov or .us addresses.

WesleyDavid

My client is having to file paperwork with almost all fifty states and somehow they need to do businss with the SC sec of state and got that URL

Shane Madden

We used co.___.co.us as a Colorado county, for both external and internal DNS. Meanwhile, other gov't entities using .com addresses for everything, and our elected officials whining about the URL being too long..

@WesleyDavid Yeah.. probably internal-only zone, if I had to guess. Some confused employee giving that address out

WesleyDavid

3:39 AM

Man I can't wait to get into a new job. One last interview to go through next week and it's lookin' good.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Nice! Something down there?

WesleyDavid

Yeah, I started my own LLC as soon as I arrived here in Arizona. Short story: Lived in Cincinatti for 5 years with the parents. Worked internal IT and did side-work as an indie contractor. Step-dad got job transfer to Arizona and since I'm young and unencumbered with my own family, I took the opportunity to go to a place I've always wanted to go to (plus, mom's health is kinda bad and I help her a bit).

Soooo... got her, loved it and immediately started my own consulting company.

Kinda slow going though. Really, I should have focused on managed services to get the business built up and then I could hire people to take care of that menial work while I try and land bigger projects.

So after a year and a half, I think I have two choices:
1) Grit my teeth and make a three year plan to take the MSP space in Phoenix by storm and then work my way out of that position within my company.
2) Work for someone else.

So I shopped my resume around and found a MSFT gold partner in the area that's got an eye towards rapid growth but diesn't have a Sr Engineer position filled. Looks really good so far, and I've got one last interview.

Shane Madden

Gotcha, makes sense.

WesleyDavid

I did the phone interview, in-person with the CEO, skills assessment, technical interview, DISC exam. Last one is with the director of professional services.

Shane Madden

Might be a bit of a rough transition back to working for someone else, though.

WesleyDavid

3:48 AM

You might be right. I'm a bit worried about it. However, the things that make me not be so apprehensive about it is that this company is shifting it responsibility structure. Formerly the CEO was heavily involved in the technical aspect of clients because it was so small. Now he realizes he needs to move away from that. I'd be where the buck stops.

It's up to me to solve client problems that the network and sysadmins can't. Up to me to spearhead client projects. Up to me to design and implement internal processes to streamline what we do and to deliver services

All that sounds good on paper. However, it remains to be seen how it works in practice. =/

Shane Madden

Nice -- that sounds like a good role to move into from where you're at.

WesleyDavid

For example, he mentioned to me in the one-on-one interview that they need to make a standardised way of deploying client PCs, but they're having trouble with licensing and deployment methods. I'd be the one to architect how to deploy PCs in an automated, repeatable fashion. Right now it's just one of the techs sitting at a desk clicking through the OEM wizard screens. =/

They do work for small biz in the area. So it's not uncommon for a client to only need like 3 PCs.

However, he wants to really focus on aggressive growth. That means doubling in 2012. However, you need to scale your practises for that to not cost you an arm and a leg in personnel.

So I'd be charged with streamlining and automating the crap out of everything that we do for clients so that we can do more with less fuss.

The business model is "all you can eat" i.e. Clients pay them a flat fee per month based on PC and server count. No matter if the firm does one hour of PC work or 1000 hours.

(Major projects and upgrades are above that fee)

So you can bet I'll be trolling their ticketing system for the first month and picking out the time-sucks.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Yeah, there's always gonna be some level of politics - but it sounds like a good role for you, it'll be nice to not be the first person to get a call no matter what issue a client has.

WesleyDavid

Yes, it's going to be the first time that I'm not on the front line! So exciting. =)

I'm going to buy The Practise of Systems and Network Administration for ever NetAdmin and SysAdmin there.

Then Time Management for Systems Administrator.

Actually, I think they only have three sub-Sr. workers there.

Shane Madden

For sure! If this does work out, then I'll make sure you yell HALP I CANT LOG IN a few times to help you ease into the transition.

WesleyDavid

3:54 AM

It's weird though. I'd be the youngest worker there at age 29, and yet the Sr-most technical position. Hope that doesn't rub people the wrong way.

Doesn't even cross my mind though - not like I'm thinking i'm superior in any way. But still... I dunno. =/

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid I've gotten used to that - I've been senior over people older than me for a long while (I'm 26).

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden HAve you been in an actual management position? I've never been. Fortunately, I don't think this position has any personnel management involved... yet. As the company grows, I'm sure it would happen. I'm okay with growing into that role, but I don't want to be a purely managerial role.

Sr Technical roles that are more like Project Manager or Team Lead are okay by me. Not management. Not yet. Maybe in my mid or late thirties, but even then... I doubt it.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Nope, just senior technical roles - never had any direct reports.

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Ah, okay.

Shane Madden

Though at that gov't job, one of my teammates of about the same age (I think he was a year or so older) took a role as manager of the help desk, where all of his direct reports were at least 5 years older than him.

WesleyDavid

4:01 AM

And when anything goes wrong, what's the first thing that people pick on?
"Stupid kid, thinks he knows everything..."

Annoying.

Shane Madden

That actually lasted.. only about a month, I think. He knew how to do it, got some respect pretty quick.

Chris S

@WesleyDavid That will never end so long as someone is more than 5 years older than you.. It's just the older you get the less people there are that are +5y.

WesleyDavid

4:26 AM

@ChrisS Do you manage people at all in your position now?

Shane Madden

6:10 AM

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Q: From TCP/IP network to IPX/SPX network?

Ok so can a computer from a TCP/IP network communicate with a computer from a IPX/SPX network? If so how will the routers handle the addressing scheme? And what if i wanna telnet that computer from the IPX/SPX network, should I use the IPX addressing scheme even if my network is using the IP addr...

networking router tcpip

Really?

WesleyDavid

6:53 AM

@ShaneMadden I'm disappointed that token ring, ES-IS and X.25 didn't make it into the equation. He should really try harder.

ewwhite

7:54 AM

Have fun...

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Q: CentOS 5.5, realated to EPEL

which is EPEL package is better for CentOS, and how i am able to findout that whether my CentOS 5.5 is 64-bit or 32bit Second Problem in following command i am not able to execute the 3rd command(i have enable the EPEL5) 1)wget -P /tmp http://centos.karan.org/el5/extras/testing/SRPMS/xmlrpc-c-1...

centos5

Iain

8:45 AM

G'day

Bart De Vos

9:18 AM

Morning all

pfo

morning

Tom O'Connor

serverfault.com/questions/344956/…

VTC OP is a moron

t1nt1n

9:38 AM

@TomOConnor just reading that. Hes a cock.

Tom O'Connor

@t1nt1n You should read the webcrawler guy i chewed out laast night

t1nt1n

I learnt about peering in my "Networking 101" didnt understand it but want to intergrate it into my bed room.

Tom O'Connor

serverfault.com/questions/344956/…

t1nt1n

I did!

Tom O'Connor

i wanted to peer in my bedroom, but LINX wouldn't have me

t1nt1n

9:39 AM

@TomOConnor I thought the response was just.

There are some right T4@ts here recently...

Most of them looking for help with homework. Should have a tag, "Homework Help"

Tom O'Connor

we do, it's called "Vote to close: Not a real question"

I think this isn't too snarky serverfault.com/a/344963/16732

Stop! Showertime.

t1nt1n

I know.. I do flag... Nice response.

Tom O'Connor

@t1nt1n one day, you'll have enough rep to vote with us

:D

t1nt1n

@TomOConnor im working on it :) nearly got my flag weight to 500, next goal is to get to 3000 on the rep :)

Tom O'Connor

10:45 AM

growse

10:56 AM

What's an internet exchange?

Tom O'Connor

11:08 AM

@growse LINX, AMSIX, a number of large carrier POPs in a huge warehouse.

Tom O'Connor

11:33 AM

meta.serverfault.com/questions/2467/…

Tom O'Connor

11:45 AM

Done :D

growse

Am I right in thinking that AD servers don't actually need a lot a lot of oomph? They sit there all day, holding all the cards, but don't actually do a lot?

Tom O'Connor

I just edited like 50 questions and retagged them. Now the front page is filled with my name.

oops :3

jscott

12:33 PM

@TomOConnor Yeah, saw the front page right before I had breakfast. Wondered if there had been some "serious" Internets event which caused everyone to get DDOS's. :)

Scott Pack

This makes me happy.

smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2476#comic

jscott

@growse No, DCs needn't be beastly.. This is 2003, but should help a bit: technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc728303(WS.10).aspx

growse

@jscott it just annoys me that I've got to set up a non-virtualised AD, and the smallest thing I've got is a 2-socket quad-core blade with 8GB ram.

jscott

Also fun: petri.co.il/active_directory_sizer_tool.htm

growse

seems a little.... overkill...

Iain

12:44 PM

afternoon

jscott

Can you just install Hyper-V and run DC as VMs?

Iain

@WesleyDavid data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/q/122866/… like that ?

jscott

You can make the host run Domain Services as well

Not that I think services on the host are a great idea... Just if you have a paper requirement for such.

Iain

@TomOConnor the trouble with that is that most people arriving with a denial-of-service will just use DOS

Iain

1:03 PM

@WesleyDavid and another data.stackexchange.com/serverfault/q/122871/… but beware quite a lot of the questions don't deserve an upvote

Tom O'Connor

@Iain And i shall keep editing them.

I got the Excavator Badge for editing a question from 2009

Iain

@TomOConnor :)

its_me α

1:26 PM

Hi, today I came across this interesting subject: Scaling Up vs Scaling Out. While I think it's obvious, I would still like to ask... Isn't it at the easiest to sysadmin when you are scaling up than when you are scaling out? ('coz you have fewer servers than when you are scaling out)

or am I wrong?

codinghorror.com/blog/2009/06/…

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