The Comms Room

Zypher

12:00 AM

@tombull89 nope

chat will be up

WesleyDavid

Damn and blast.

Zypher

@JourneymanGeek different DATACENTER

WesleyDavid

Missed rep capping on SuperUser by 5 points and I answered three questions in the last two hours that were brilliant and still got no upboats yet.

tombull89

haha...I expect a blog post soon to say what was done. With pretty pictures and everything.

WesleyDavid

Peasants.

Journeyman Geek

12:02 AM

@WesleyDavid: true fact. I was stoned on flu meds the first time i got a rep cap on SU

Zypher

@tombull89 patches

WesleyDavid

@JourneymanGeek True fact. I was drunk on rage and contempt the first time I rep capped on SuperUser.

Journeyman Geek

@WesleyDavid: You can't be a proper sysadmin without rage and contempt

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mailq

@Zypher Do these patches effectively reject stupid questions in the future?

Zypher

@mailq no just run of the mill windows updates

freiheit

12:09 AM

@mailq There's too many kinds of stupid to programmatically detect them all

mailq

But it is worth a try. So these are probably just the pre-alpha patches for AI

freiheit

@mailq instead, every time you see a stupid question, drink a shot. Eventually you'll stop seeing stupid questions.

mailq

I don't think so. After a few minutes I see them at least twice.

freiheit

@mailq if you see them twice, take two shots

mailq

Then I'll see them thrice?

Aaron

12:21 AM

noooo maintenance

WesleyDavid

SUM OF A BISCUIT!! I get an upvote 5 minutes after the date rolls over and miss rep capping.

Berzerker_Rage_Mode = enable

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shane Madden

Someone answer this with a "seize all the roles" jpg.

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Q: Seizing FSMO roles from dead Windows Domain Controller

I've seen other questions and documents about doing this, but there are some things that still confuse me. Here are the documents and questions I've seen: Retire a Dead Windows 2003 Domain Controller Seizing FSMO Roles from Petri Using NTDSUtil.exe to transfer or seize FSMO roles to a domain co...

surfasb

@ShaneMadden LOL

Now where is that broomstick guy. . .

WesleyDavid

@TomOConnor Do you have a Careers 2.0 page? Use that in your comment spree.

Chopper3

12:36 AM

mate of mine's dad died two years ago and all he left him a half completed small hotel in martinique, my mate was sick of london (and his girlfriend at the time) so jacked it all in - went over and has now finished this hotel, he's invited wifey and I over in the summer for free (though I imagine he'll want some basic IT work done for it :) ) - cool eh!

WesleyDavid

@Chopper3 Very nice!

Chopper3

yeah, made up, can't wait - just the two of us too

WesleyDavid

@Chopper3 Wonder what their ocean cable demarc point is like... =)

Or if it's all satellite. Probably satellite.

Chopper3

haha, it's all france telecom - I've checked already :)

WesleyDavid

EEEEEnteresting. Did anyone notice that when a line that started with an @ was starred, the star wall did not show the preceding @? But now, suddenly, the topmost star shows that lines that start with an @ are suddenly showing who it was sent to.

If that made any sense.

Oh, no, I get it now.

Shane Madden

12:40 AM

Yeah, replies with an associated reply ID

WesleyDavid

If you start with a quote to a line like :2842654 it doesn't show

I still think that's cocked up.

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid Let's get markdown fixed first.

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden Markdown isn't broken (it just doesn't work)

WesleyDavid

Okay, let's make a plan:
Step 1: Firebomb John Gruber
Step 2: Firebomb Aaron Swartz
Step 3: Implement raw CSS in chat

@voretaq7 That was funny the first seven thousand times.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid It's not supposed to be funny - just true

WesleyDavid

12:45 AM

Oh Superuser.
Luser: "How do I use a multi homed PC as a router?"
Me: "iptables"
Luser: "Great! My NICs don't show up in /etc/network/interfaces. How can I get them to be listed?"
Me: ಠ_ಠ

voretaq7

If I were going for funny I'd couch it in valid-but-unrecognized markdown & marvel at the fail :)

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 You mean like: [tag:fucking-markdown-ಠ_ಠ]

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Lesson: avoid SU

WesleyDavid

Because of course markdown doesn't like unicode.

[tag:fucking-markdown-ಠ_ಠ]

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There, more star-able.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid SPEAK ASCII YOU FOOL! There are no subtitles in tags!

WesleyDavid

12:47 AM

@voretaq7 8 bits for a character set should be enough for anyone.

Wow, I failed so hard I gave myself dieuhbeetus.

voretaq7

Seriously! Don't be greedy!

mailq

7 bit is OK for SMTP

so don't be tooooo greedy

What an offensive comment by me! serverfault.com/questions/345189/…

voretaq7

I'm offended by the question :/

Jacob

@voretaq7 I am going to disable carrier VM, but that seems like a hack. 5-6 rings is a bit much to wait for...

mailq

@voretaq7 Flag it

voretaq7

1:01 AM

@Jacob you definitely have a problem there too - the carrier voicemail is just compounding it

@mailq Nah - I'll just man up n be quietly offended :)

Shane Madden

Laid the "the internet is scared of role seizures for no good reason" hammer down on that question.

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden they SHOULD be rare tho :)

Shane Madden

1:17 AM

@voretaq7 Sure, but half the articles that guy linked are like "make sure you 7-pass wipe the disks of the old role holder before seizing!!!", which is alarmist drivel.

freiheit

1:30 AM

@ShaneMadden because just 1 pass is good enough?

Shane Madden

@freiheit Hah, indeed. Though it can't be zeros, must be random data - or else the server might turn itself back on, connect to your domain, modify its own schema in conflict with a recent schema modification on another node, then replicate.

In other words: Beware the zombie domain controller!!

Journeyman Geek

eh, does anyone actually remember that the 35 pass guttmann format was designed to cover nearly every possibility? ;p

Shane Madden

It's definitely still an option in DBAN

Journeyman Geek

@ShaneMadden: I think its case its mandated in some cases

(cases where the appropriate/quicker solution involves either a drill press, or thermite i would add)

freiheit

@JourneymanGeek I assume those cases are ones where a major national government or fortune 100 has an significant interest in the data on that hard drive?

Journeyman Geek

1:43 AM

@freiheit: I believe DOD requires 35 passes.

@freiheit: well, basically compliance i suppose. AKA cover thine arse.

freiheit

(because, really, in any case where your data isn't worth $100k+ to somebody, a single pass of anything is good enough)

Shane Madden

@JourneymanGeek DoD is the 7-pass one, I think.

Journeyman Geek

@freiheit: with modern systems a single pass of zeros is good enough.

@ShaneMadden: my bad then.

In that case the 35 pass is only useful when you for some reason need to wipe a disk, and you don't know what crazyass encoding it uses and somehow, 35 years on, the damned thing still runs

Shane Madden

An old job required physical destruction of not just the storage, but the RAM as well.

Journeyman Geek

o0

shred it all?

Shane Madden

1:46 AM

Yeah.. there was no justification, just a clueless policy maker that thought it sounded good.

We requested budget for an official RAM hammer.

Journeyman Geek

Eh, at least he didn't demand destruction of processes since they have cache ;p

freiheit

@JourneymanGeek That's what we have a hard drive degausser for. :)

Journeyman Geek

@freiheit: i prefer to take them apart personally. I think a certain university whose old systems i got used to drill holes in em

Shane Madden

Security requirement: Direct conversion to energy of all particles with mass used to store data in system at any time. Policy: Either fire them out of a cannon into the sun, or send them to North Korea for nuclear tests.

Journeyman Geek

lol

freiheit

1:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek But then all the other sectors of data would still be recoverable by a company like drivesavers

(use a sander instead of a drill)

Journeyman Geek

or muck up the read head and let the thing run

Shane Madden

Bend the platters.

Journeyman Geek

well

there's always thermite youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=k-ckechIqW0

WesleyDavid

2:29 AM

sysadmin1138

6:38 AM

Oh I hate, with fire, this whack-ass part replacement procedure.

Ward

@freiheit I believe that by the time you open the drive up, take it apart enough to get the voice coil magnets out of the head positioning assembly (super-strong magnets, 1001 uses), then take the platters off the spindle, you've taken care of anyone but CIA/NSA/TLA getting your data. For extra security, you could then take a hammer to the platters, but they make such nice wind chimes....

@Iain You wanna talk LAT? We had 3rd-party LAT software for an HP-UX and Win NT AS 3.51 (on Alpha) 'cause all our printers were using serial interfaces and were connected to the DECservers.

sysadmin1138

7:29 AM

There will be pointed emails aimed at Dell tomorrow. After I get some sleep.

Iain

7:47 AM

G'day

Iain

7:58 AM

@ShaneMadden some are ceramic and don't bend well

Iain

8:28 AM

and finally - sunrise

not that it makes much difference, it's still duller than a dull thing :(

Tom O'Connor

at least it's less windy

it was blowing a gale last night

Iain

@TomOConnor yep, was quite windy here too overnight, if it stays dry I may get out on me bike later

Tom O'Connor

@Iain I'm back at my parents in Malvern.. it waas so windy here that the chicken coop blew about 4ft along the garden

Iain

@TomOConnor it was windy enough that it woke me up but everything is still where it should be in the garden

Tom O'Connor

@Iain That's always a good start. I don't like it when things blow around.

Tom O'Connor

9:10 AM

I hate RHEL. serverfault.com/q/345248/16732

Also, this literally made my day

timelessseaphire.tumblr.com/post/14462565931/…

freiheit

@Ward That sounds like something a company like DriveSavers could still get some data off of, though there'd certainly be some corruption

growse

11:05 AM

I love it when a database cluster goes down for an hour, at 4am, for no apparent reason.

Tricky one to explain to the customer

pauska

11:20 AM

"We've narrowed it down to one of three possibilities: A) Hardware error B) Software error C) Human error"

Tom O'Connor

Pauska! Did you have a good xmas?

Also, upvote whoring. serverfault.com/a/345285/16732

@growse pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl

growse

I just think it's time I moved this SQL cluster off an unsupported platform and onto a more supported one

pauska

11:39 AM

@TomOConnor very well, thank you. Lots of great food and great alcohol. And you?

Tom O'Connor

@pauska Very similar! Food and booze are the best bits of christmas. I've been back at my parents since the 23rd, so it's good to see the family again too :)

pauska

ya same here, been up north visiting my mother since 26th

plus all my childhood friends lives here

Tom O'Connor

11:54 AM

Oops. I seem to have a lot of my name on the front page again. There should be a way to edit shit quietly.

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Happy New Year To All

> Happy New Year to All of you

Journeyman Geek

@TomOConnor: something that would be nice but would never happen

Tom O'Connor

@JourneymanGeek I'd like a userscript for bulk editing tags, too.

Chopper3

wow - only just woke up, well 20 mins ago anyway

growse

12:13 PM

heartbeat: [15213]: info: No pkts missing from lonsbrndlb02!

Gee, thanks heartbeat.

jscott

1:13 PM

W. T. F.

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Q: Lotus notes server

Hi I am after some assistance! My former employer has given excessive access to other employees to my account!! Can anyone advise they have provided two people access which I believe via lap top is full delegated access to read and write etc but they claim it was person read only write public doc...

lotus-notes lotus-domino lotus

Scott Pack

@TomOConnor I feel the need to point out (as someone who does krb-auth on RHEL) that those libraries are, in fact, in the base RHEL repositories.

@TomOConnor My guess is that either:
1) He's a fuckwit and doesn't know how to install software, or
2) He isn't paying support and doesn't have access to install the software so he's trying to hack it in.

growse

Must.... improve.... flag... .weight.....

Iain

@growse do it while you're under 3k rep. Once you get above that many flag options are converted to votes to close

growse

flags everything

Scott Pack

@Iain Indeed. As long as you don't do it during the DoucheyMod times of day then the VtC flags are epic.

Though, at this point, I want 10k for no reason other than to see the close tab under /review

Iain

1:25 PM

@ScottPack I'm only 1 flag away from 750.0000 (again)

growse

Any way on the search I can find questions with a maximum number of votes? "votes" I believe specifies a minimum...

Scott Pack

@Iain How nervous are you to throw it out?

@growse No, I tried that

growse

Boo

Scott Pack

What you'll have to do is search for your minimum, sort by vote, and go through the last pages.

Iain

@ScottPack I don't flag without good reason - the one that dropped me back to 740 was the same one that you had declined too

Scott Pack

1:35 PM

@Iain For what you think is a good reason, sure.

I had another one declined that I thought was rather bullshit, but the one you're talking about was the most obviously awful.

Iain

@ScottPack I've only had 4 declined. One was definitely wrong as I resubmitted and it was accepted. One you and I agreed on, the other two I would argue but even so 3/4 out of >1100 isn't bad really

Chris S

1:53 PM

I've had 7 declined out of 259. One wreaked of spam, and I flagged before checking out the account; which I later decided was in fact not spam (my bad). 3 in a row were a guy posting links to questions (wreaks of spam but I've got no proof).

I flagged serverfault.com/questions/55355/… as Low Quality, and it got declined.

Iain

@ChrisS I just downvoted and dropped a delete on it too - only 2 more required

growse

Am I the only person who read this question and thought "wrong tool for the job"?

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Q: How can I exceed the 60% Memory Limit of IIS7

Pardon if this is more stackoverflow vs. serverfault. It seems to be on the border. We have an application that caches a large amount of product data for an e-commerce application using ASP.NET caching. This is a dictionary object with 65K elements, and our calculations put the object's size a...

iis7 asp.net caching

Isn't this why they invented memcached?

Chris S

I'm just mad that 1. It's a piece of sh*t "Answer", I flagged as such and got declined 2. Even if a mod disagrees with #1 (how they could possibly argue that position I don't know) it's obviously in the "Helpful" spirit....

@growse You're lucky he didn't store the table in a 10GB array

That's probably my biggest and more frequent gripe with programmers, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should... and they don't seem to get it. Same goes for small shop SysAdmins..

Iain

@ChrisS I think there is at least one mod that believes you should downvote crap rather than flag it as such

Chris S

Well that mod needs to be reeducated then. Wrong answers and half-baked attempts should be downvoted. Blatant crap should be deleted.

Scott Pack

2:06 PM

I wish we knew our mods better. Now that gramps stepped down, I think I've only ever spoken to two, and have only seen enough from one other to understand him.

gramps stepped won?

ayup gramps !

@Chopper3 eh?

@ScottPack EXACTLY!!! This is what I/we were griping about... Mods who are disconnected from the community (not that chat comprises the whole community, or any one particular facet of SF for that matter)

Chopper3

ah - 42 dude, 42

Chris S

2:09 PM

@Chopper3 You look older with the giant white beard...

Scott Pack

@ChrisS It's definitely a hard line, because while we shouldn't be so uppity to say that chat users are the community, it's really the only place where we can do proper community building within the system.

Chopper3

that said my son did just turn 16 so legally he could have kids making me a grandad - and some guys I grew up with are already grandads so fair enough

Scott Pack

Otherwise, it's just a bunch of people reading reactions to something else.

@Chopper3 I knew a woman who was a grandmother at 26, so there's that.

Some people I went to high school with now have kids in college. That really freaked me out.

Iain

@ChrisS if you check the top lists then many of the people active here in chat are towards the top of them

@ScottPack my wife was an aunty at -2

Chris S

@ScottPack True.. But I think there's a number of ways they could participate more so the community knows them better... Chat, posting Questions/Answers, Comments to Posts, Meta... I don't mean to be too harsh on the mods, and it certainly isn't all of them, but a few don't do anything but mod and I take strong exception to that.

Scott Pack

2:13 PM

@Iain My aunts/uncles are in the same boat. Of course, 6 kids spread out over 20 years will do that.

Chris S

@Iain True, though I wouldn't want to say "If you don't participate in $AREA_OF_FS then you aren't participating in the community"

Iain

@ScottPack indeed

growse

Is there a flag reason for "looks like the user is trying to do something devious / anti-social / criminal"?

Iain

@ChrisS indeed not but it is possible to participate in many aspects if you have the time / are inclined to

Journeyman Geek

@growse: I think you could use the free form text box for that

Iain

2:16 PM

@growse other or just pop it in the vtc room and let us deal with it

growse

Looking at this one:

Journeyman Geek

you guys don't have a talk to a mod chat room?

growse

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Q: How to rotate the IP's

I have six IP's for a server. I have assigned them on virtual interface like one primary IP is on eth0 and rest 5 are on eth0:1,eth0:2 and so on.. I want to rotate all of these IP's after a certain time may be 1 hour or 2 hour interval. But not sure how I can do that without getting the downtime...

email exim

Iain

@JourneymanGeek the mods that chat appear here

Journeyman Geek

@Iain: Well, that too.

Chris S

2:21 PM

@JourneymanGeek Nope. Mods have their own room (The Teacher's Lounge); but if a user want to talk to a Mod they'd have to find them here (or use Meta or e-mail).

Journeyman Geek

Ahh, k

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