The Comms Room

12:02 AM

It's a smart person's world out there. And small business owners have a nasty tendency to confuse the "easy way" with the "best way" because their success at THIS ONE THING means they're somehow experts at everything else too.

Get the feeling that I've done IT for an SMB retailer?

Tom O'Connor

12:23 AM

Who moved this to SO . stackoverflow.com/questions/8649649/… I think i just wrote a SF answer on a SO site

Shane Madden

1:13 AM

@TomOConnor Click the migrated note to get the SF version - mrdenny moved it.

Chris S

1:28 AM

@AdrianK Time to get that transfer going. Takes 4 days to complete... If you start it in the next half day it'll be complete before year end... One more account GD will have lost in their 2011 blunder.

@TomOConnor @ShaneMadden Me too! And Iain

Shane Madden

@ChrisS Sure, but that just means you cast a close vote of some kind - tells us nothing about how you voted.

Chris S

@ShaneMadden I voted to migrate to SO.

I'll admit I wasn't exactly sure about that; but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Journeyman Geek

eh @AdrianK: I'm vaguely bitter at my experience at running the network at a very small business, even if the hardware has outlasted the company ._. . Easy way is fine. Having utterly no budget and obsolete as heck hardware, and complete organisational inertia sucks. The only nice thing is... I got a wide range of skills that are fun but utterly pointless in the real world

Shane Madden

@ChrisS Fair enough. SO will probably migrate it to programmers or theoretical CS.. or just bomb it as NARQ since it's not really possible to know what his specific bottleneck is without knowing the specific algorithm.

Upvoted Tom's answer, though - good general answer to a very vague question.

Chris S

1:43 AM

Done

Shane Madden

Get @TomOConnor some of that highly coveted Stack Overflow rep!

WesleyDavid

2:24 AM

@TomOConnor Upvoted because we need better representation amongst the heathen.

@AdrianK It's like we're brothers.

Just how many "intermittent Wi-Fi" questions are there on SuperUser? I could clean house over there if I sat down and made a form-answer.

I'm laughing right now:

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Q: Recover slightly corrupted Windows XP drive with Linux

I installed Linux and that involved shrinking a Windows NTFS partition. I didn't move it, just shrinked it a hair. When I rebooted windows, it said "Disk can not be read". I booted my Lubuntu and mounted the drive. Linux can read the drive perfectly fine. I wonder why Windows can't. Perhaps this ...

"Slightly corrupted" - for extremely broad definitions of "slightly"

And "corrupted" too.

Shane Madden

Only slightly!

I don't think I've ever seen windows say "disk could not be read"... surely it must be "ntldr is missing" or somesuch?

WesleyDavid

@ShaneMadden Yeah, that's a new one on me. Sounds dire. Missing ntloader is cake.

Or, perhaps it's something lost in the translation. For all we know it could just be an automatic chkdsk that's being interpreted as "OH EMM GWAR MAH COMPUTER IS CORRUPTINATED!!"

In talking with @ScottPack, I think a few of us could troll SU and be like effing GODS over there. The amount of fuzzy logic I've already seen is frightening. We should do it just to see what happens. Kinda like the Hell's Angels squatting at a diner for a week or two. Just see what happens...

Shane Madden

2:46 AM

@WesleyDavid That would be amazing.

I don't think I'd last more than 15 minutes, but it would be amazing.

Chris S

@WesleyDavid I forget what exactly, but there's some file system pointers that gparted doesn't always update and leaves Windows unbootable... There's directions around for fixing it.

WesleyDavid

3:21 AM

I can't believe this. Read the question, but then read the one lone answer.

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Q: Remote Office IP Privacy on Personal Computer

I work from home and use a work laptop with VPN connection. If I have a personal computer hooked up to the same wireless connection as my work computer (not on VPN though, BUT on a router provided by work), can they monitor what I am doing on my personal computer?

networking privacy-protection

Shane Madden

@WesleyDavid From a 3k user, no less.

WesleyDavid

I'm seriously trying to gauge my level of involvement there. I think I've taken the course of "ignore the wrong, only do that which is right." But now I'm thinking that I should actively engage the wrong ideas (not the people, personally, of course).

Like that bad answer, I'm considering commenting on it. SuperLuser might be where I go all Mr. Hyde so I can preserve Dr. Jekyll for ServerFault. =P

Chris S

@WesleyDavid That is probably reason #1 I don't like Super User. Lots of people with opinion and very little knowledge.

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS Yarp. The wrong-righter in me wants to take it upon myself to try and give people a clue. I hate to think what kind of tripe has been handed out to people and what accidents have happened as a result.

Shane Madden

3:36 AM

Just reboot.

Didn't work?

Reboot again.

WesleyDavid

How many times did you reboot?
"Three man. You always tell me to reboot three times."

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Chris S

I had one of those this morning. I don't know what the deal is with some old HP 8710p laptops but once in a blue moon it'll error out Disk Not Found on boot. Turn if off and on twice, boom it works fine for another 3 years.

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS Yeah, one of those cases where a RCA would probably not repay you enough to warrant the time lost on current projects. =/

WesleyDavid

4:22 AM

Me when I walk into SuperLuser:

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TylerShads

5:10 AM

wat a foookin day, had to put 2 animals down within an hour of each other, unexpected, one was on their way out (14 yrs old, lost half her weight in 2 weeks) the other not even a year, choked on a treat that ended up tearing their esophogas...sorry for the negativity, had to vent...ponies may now commence.

WesleyDavid

@TylerShads Oh wow, that's sad. =/

TylerShads

yeah, its been one hell of a day sets some random luser on fire

WesleyDavid

@TylerShads Take it out on the nerf herders at SuperLuser.

TylerShads

nerf herders?

WesleyDavid

starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nerf_herder

So are you without animals in the house now?

TylerShads

5:15 AM

2 dogs left and still have our 3 cats

WesleyDavid

And going to chill out on pets for a little while or go rescue some from the pound immediately?

Oh okay, a menagerie.

TylerShads

personally im done with pets when i have to put my cat down, i still ive at home so its all my parents animals

WesleyDavid

@TylerShads Yeah, I've had to put a few down or give them away for various reasons.

TylerShads

had to give one away, but that was better for them, had to be a loner, had to unexpectidly put down my first cat one night and got a new one for christmas that year, which is now currently scratcing up my legs

Shane Madden

6:12 AM

@TylerShads That sucks, sorry man :(

WesleyDavid

6:44 AM

Very curious name to choose for one's self. Not exactly who most people want to be associated with:

JudasIscariot1651, Denmark

116 4

iis iis7 dns iis7.5 powershell windows-server-2003 windows-server-2008-r2

Ward

7:00 AM

Maybe he really liked this story (it is a good story):

The Way of Cross and Dragon

"The Way of Cross and Dragon" is a science fiction short story by George R. R. Martin. It involves a far-future priest of the One True Interstellar Catholic Church of Earth and the Thousand Worlds (with similarities to the Roman Catholic hierarchy) investigating a sect that reveres Judas Iscariot. The story deals with the nature and limitations of religious faith. The story originally appeared in the June 1979 issue of Omni. Plot summary Damien Har Veris, a priest skilled in resolving heretical disputes efficiently, is sent as Knight Inquisitor, despite spiritual exhaustion, by his alien...

WesleyDavid

7:12 AM

Sounds vaguely like Philip Pullman's "His Dark Materials" trilogy.

I wish I could read that kind of stuff. My ability to consume written material is so poor.

t1nt1n

7:55 AM

Morning all

Iain

8:36 AM

G'day

Bart De Vos

Morning all

Chopper3

11:39 AM

@WesleyDavid HDM is amazing

hi all

pauska

12:33 PM

hola @chopper3

been a god boy?

Chopper3

yep, quiet holidays so far

had fun changing registrar/hosting

pauska

12:56 PM

moved over to namespace or whatever they were called?

We have alot of SSL stuff on godaddy, but cant move them yet

Chopper3

namecheap yeah - very impressed for such a crumby sounding company :)

TylerShads

g'day chaps

Chopper3

hey

pauska

@Chopper3 and such a wonderful site compared to godaddy.. fast, and no non-sense. I like it alots.

Chopper3

me too - they use cpanel behind it all but for home stuff where I specifically don't want to be messing about too long they have some nice email auto-setup links, links to setup webdav file links to your hosted space etc. saves a bit of hassle

pauska

1:28 PM

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TylerShads

1:41 PM

@pauska Where do you find these things

pauska

1:59 PM

@TylerShads from a norwegian forum where they have a 900-page thread of funny pics

TylerShads

@pauska Better than Tom of Finland, I suppose

Holocryptic

2:26 PM

crickets

pauska

2:44 PM

noooes he removed the must funny title on SF ever!

serverfault.com/posts/344691/revisions

jscott

If one can "boot up" a server, can one not "boot down"?

Chris S

2:56 PM

@jscott No, the "boot" come from boot strap code used to get the machine from a reset state to one where the kernel can begin functioning.. "booting" has nothing to do with shutdown procedures. =P

Simon Sheehan

Perfect way to start the morning.. by restoring my iPod

Kyle Brandt

@ChrisS: I am kind of assuming it is actually just rebooting

Chris S

Well he should say that if that's what the server is doing.

Kyle Brandt

3:12 PM

@ChrisS: For a reboot "Windows Server 2008 R2 Takes a Nap" would have been more accurate

Chris S

Depends on if you have swap file scubbing enabled... Then it's more like "Server is incoherent for the next 2 hours. Ha ha"

Kyle Brandt

Is that actually an option in Win 2008 R2!?

Chris S

I'd have to look if they removed that option or not... My predecessor had it enabled for some misguided reason.

So I had to hunt that down and disabled it... I'm sure she wondered why the servers too ages to reboot.

Kyle Brandt

In case the CIA is in your servers, duh

Chris S

Makes perfect sense for situations where the security of a server might be increased by the page file being zeros while it's off... Our server are never off.

Yep "GPO: Computer Config-> Policies -> Windows Settings -> Security Settings -> Local Policies -> Security Options -> Shutdown: Clear virutal memory pagefile" Applies to XP/2003 to 7/2008R2

Kyle Brandt

3:25 PM

Interesting, for laptop employees maybe?

Chris S

If you're worried about laptop security and don't have full disk encryption you're completely incompetent. =)

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Peter Grace

I thought about turning on bitlocker, but, my work laptop has a web browser and skyrim

oh, and putty, can't forget putty.

Chris S

There's nothing particularly fun on my laptop either, nor 1/2 of the laptops running around here... We just do it as a general policy now.. The disadvantages are so minimal that the minimalist argument "If we lose a laptop we know we're legally covered and our insurance company will unequivocally back us up on that" wins.

Jacob

3:48 PM

Hello everyone

Chris S

good morning

Scott Pack

@ChrisS The best things is that most breach notification laws state that you don't have to notify if the data in question was encrypted. So, from that standpoint, it's a better option to just make encryption your default configuration. That way if something does end up on a laptop, you're already taken care of.

Chris S

@ScottPack Right, that's what I meant by "legally covered", we don't have to do anything... If it's no encrypted then we might have to do a lot of things, except in certain circumstances that I'd rather not have to think about in the first place. =)

I think it just goes with the territory these days. If your org handles personal or financial data you're almost certainly using some sort of full disk encryption. If not you deserve every bit of pain you'll get when something happens.

Scott Pack

@ChrisS Let's not forget medical records!

Chris S

I lump medical as personal.. Businesses generally don't have an EHR.

I think privacy laws are slowly moving in on basically all personal information that you don't explicitly make public domain... Seems unfortunate that we need to legislate what should be common sense and decency.

Scott Pack

4:01 PM

@ChrisS For compliance they're usually called out separately, but yeah. Depending on how your HR department handles medical insurance they don't have to deal with that kind of stuff.

Chris S

4:12 PM

"I have to say, this really is a situation where cartoons didn’t waste your life away as your mother would have you believe. g.i. joe had it right: knowing is half the battle. Now we’re armed with knowledge on where the problem is! Obviously, there’s something jacked up with the network access account."

voretaq7

@ChrisS Now you know. And knowing is 1/8th of the battle.

(+3/8 understanding what you know, +1/4 getting competent help if needed, +1/4 actually FIXING the damn problem)

Chris S

You'd think if the Network Access Account was jacked up SCCM would throw up flags saying something was wrong... But no, I've got green checkmarks across the board.

TylerShads

@voretaq7 Where does lighting everything on fire come in?

voretaq7

@TylerShads "FIXING"

(once it's burned to the ground the original problem is gone. It's reduced to the already solved problem of "Build a system")

TylerShads

@voretaq7 But then you have to fix the police problem you just developed...that's where tesla coils come into play :D

voretaq7

4:32 PM

@TylerShads or a bigger fire.

TylerShads

@voretaq7 Electricity can cause fires.

voretaq7

@TylerShads gasoline helps!

TylerShads

4:43 PM

eh, causes a smell, electricity is stenchless!
...And lemony fresh at the same time

Scott Pack

/me loves the smell of ozone in the morning

Chris S

ozone is poisonous...

Scott Pack

So is water in sufficient quantities, but you don't see me making a big deal out of that.

voretaq7

@ScottPack My laser printers don't generate water.

Chris S

5:02 PM

ozone is poisonous in fairly small quantities.... It's biggest direct human use is in keeping water cooler towers bacteria and fungus free.

I've seen home "air purifiers" that produce it too... Take a couple deep breaths of what they're putting out, you'll start feeling very light headed. Operating one in a tightly confined space will kill a person with several hours. I'm really not sure how they consider them safe.

TylerShads

@ChrisS They smell good, and anything that smells good can't be dangerous.... right?

Holocryptic

@TylerShads Right. Delicious smells are delicious because they're not dangerous. Cookies aren't dangerous, and those smell delicious. I rest my case.

Scott Pack

5:18 PM

@Holocryptic Do you have any notion how hard it is not to make a 'your mom' joke right now?

Holocryptic

@ScottPack Depends. How hard is it?

TylerShads

@Holocryptic That's what she said

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Holocryptic

:)

TylerShads

...The maturity of this chat room just degraded really fast

Iain

@Holocryptic in sufficient quantities over an extended period ...

TylerShads

5:18 PM

And I'm perfectly OK with that

growse

Argh

I hate how a network /nfs blip can bring an entire vsphere estate down

it makes 0 attempt to reconnect to NFS shares that have failed

:(

Iain

@growse don't do that then

Holocryptic

@Iain You can make that argument for anything. Which makes your argument invalid.

growse

Out of my hands, it seems :(

Iain

@Holocryptic so the obesity epidemic isn't caused by cookies (and other nice smelling goodies ) ?

Holocryptic

5:21 PM

@Iain Nope

Scott Pack

@Iain That would imply that cookies are not good for you, so I think I speak for all Americans when I say, "No, you're wrong."

Holocryptic

Obesity is caused in large part because people can't control themselves

Iain

@ScottPack life isn't good for you

growse

Oh, solaris has stopped responding to everything, and no clue given on the console

console is unresponsive

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic That's a negative. It's the trans fats. Can't be my fault.

growse

5:23 PM

that'll be why it's down then

Holocryptic

@ScottPack There's no such thing as trans fats anymore. They've been government regulated into oblivion.

Shane Madden

@growse Mine reconnect to down NFS shares. On their own schedule, which is generally a lot later than you want them to reconnect.. but they do.

growse

@ShaneMadden turned out that wasn't the issue - my NFS server claimed to be responsive, but isn't

Shane Madden

@growse Ahh, gotcha. That'll do it!

growse

merrily responds to pings. Ignores everything else

I wish there was some way of figuring out what the fuck happened

log server is completely silent on the issue.

Shane Madden

5:28 PM

@growse Cross your fingers that something got logged?

Oh, nevermind then.

growse

All I know is that cacti stopped drawing graphs for it at about 1pm, and since then, bugger all

Console echos characters back to me, but doesn't do anything with them

Shane Madden

Nice! That's always useful.

growse

It's like it's run out of memory

telnet on port 22 gives me a Sun SSH banner

but after that, nothing

Shane Madden

Don't get @voretaq7 started on OOM-killers.

Scott Pack

So. I decided to turn on the Star Wars Holiday Special while I ate my lunch.

I'm only 9 minutes in and I'm seriously wondering why on earth someone thought this was a good idea.

Shane Madden

5:36 PM

@ScottPack I'm surprised it took 9 minutes.

Scott Pack

@ShaneMadden Like I said, I'm eating.

Holocryptic

@ScottPack I have a copy but haven't watched it yet

Scott Pack

So far it's been Wookie dialogue with no subtitles or voice overs.

Holocryptic

@ScottPack I bet it was Paul from marketing

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic I finally read through that thread this morning.

Jesus, what a fucking douche.

Holocryptic

5:39 PM

@ScottPack yep. I thought it was hiliarious

It's too bad that some asshole from a 3rd party agency tanked what looks like a really decent product

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic Half the time Paul's spelling and grammar were so out there I couldn't even understand what he was saying.

Right, so 12.5 minutes in and I hear 5 words that are actually in English.

Holocryptic

@ScottPack Honesly, I glossed over his responses. I read just enough to get the gist, then moved on

Shane Madden

@ScottPack I love that his punctuation is always preceded by a space , made it easy to tell what he wrote (like when we has impersonating their old marketing guy) .

@Holocryptic As long as you caught the gems - people getting served and calling in favors from mayors.

Holocryptic

@ShaneMadden Oh, yeah. Those stood out.

Scott Pack

And the complete turn around when he realized that Mike was one of the PA guys.

Holocryptic

5:47 PM

He reminds me of those asshats from highschool that sagged their jeans to their ankles and wore nothing but sports jerseys and did nothing but hang out in big groups smoking cigarrets

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic Sorry, I wouldn't know. I went to school in the grunge era.

Shane Madden

@ScottPack Yeah. It got better as people did more digging, too. He plagiarized everything on his site, represented himself as someone else when people were trying to inquire with the company about his relationship with them, which in turn led to them finding posts from him on forums for steroid abusers..

Holocryptic

@ShaneMadden That was pretty damn funny. Remind me not to piss off the internet.

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden what? the worst idea ever in the history of not reading the POSIX documentation?

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic Too late.

voretaq7

5:49 PM

oh we're talking about SteroidStratagy guy?

Holocryptic

yep

voretaq7

yeah, he right royally rogered himself there

Shane Madden

@voretaq7 Reading.. documentation??

voretaq7

only if the documentation is a spec, and you're writing software that's supposed to conform to it.
All other times documentation is for when you can't figure it out.

Shane Madden

@voretaq7 Why conform to standards when you think you can do it better? Ask Microsoft.

Holocryptic

5:52 PM

@ScottPack Oh we had that crowd too. There were the skaters, the goths, the rappers, the jocks, the nerds, the grungers, and a few others. Growing up on a military base meant that there was a pretty diverse crowd.

Shane Madden

Our version is the standard!! Or it will be, once we finish shoving money down this committee's throat!

growse

The fact I have to manually go and "restart management network" on these vSphere 5 hosts before they wake up to the network is also downright strange

Scott Pack

Evening, @Chopper3

growse

there's a lot that's weird about this environment

most of that's my fault

Chopper3

hey

@growse that's very wrong, is it on every host of the same type?

growse

5:54 PM

Yup

voretaq7

@ShaneMadden At least Microsoft never kills off my DB engine for using too much RAM :-)

growse

Every time there's a reboot, they're off the network until I hit the console, do a 'restart management network', and then they're hunky dory

Might open a (gasp) support ticket with VMware

Shane Madden

@growse Good luck to you, sir.

TylerShads

whenwill companies learnt hat smooth jazz only infuriates people more?

growse

@TylerShads hold music?

Chopper3

5:55 PM

@growse these were IBM boxes if I recall?

growse

People should use the nyancat for hold music. That'd get my business

@Chopper3 IBM HS21 blades

voretaq7

Thank you for calling VMWare Technical Support. Your call is very important to us, and will be answered in the order in which it was received.
There are currently EOVERFLOW callers ahead of you.

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@TylerShads we play classical selections.

Chopper3

yeah, you need to just open a case with them, they're very nice guys, easy to work with

growse

@voretaq7 I wouldn't phone them, I'd simply hold our Vmware account manager in a headlock until a tech turned up

Shane Madden

@voretaq7 Well, clearly the Linux kernel knows better than you what you want running. And that DB engine was a greedy jerk.

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voretaq7

5:57 PM

@growse pfft - go ahead and kill it. Account managers are expendable, we'll send you another just like it as a replacement.

growse

@voretaq7 but he's nice, and called bob!

voretaq7

Excuse me, I'm going to go have my elephant sit on Linus' penguin.
We'll see who wins this battle!

@growse they're all called bob. It's simpler that way.

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growse

Why is the vmware website so shit?

It's like they don't want me to ask them things.

Holocryptic

@growse status-by-design

jscott

Halp! I've been 0wned. Here's the malicious files!

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Q: How to fix a security leak

Good morning everybody ! Sorry for my english, it's not my mother tongue I've got a a malicious shell scripts under my account, but I don't know how to fix the security leak and where it is. Here are the files I've found on my ftp : http://share.darkin-gp.com/piratage.zip Could you help me ple...

security malicious

Sure, happy to help, lemme just unzip these, fire up PHP and... auughhhh! </dies>

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Aaron

6:11 PM

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Q: How do databases and php work?

I know this might be a bad question but I just literally started learning these two languages 20 minutes ago. I wanted to know what the differences are between pulling data from a database and 'echoing' html onto a page. So say if I had a user on a website who entered their bio and then it printe...

php mysql

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HOW DOES IT WORK ??!!

growse

IT IS A MYSTERY!!!!!!!!

F*CKING MAGNETS!

KITTENS!

RAINBOWS!!!!

PONIES!!!

6:13 PM

Yeah. you guys all keep laughing.

growse

I've not got much rep on SO. I should add a comment with these things for lolz

jscott

Suffer:

►

voretaq7

When they migrate it over here

growse

Nowt to lose

voretaq7

then we'll see.

growse

6:13 PM

@voretaq7 can't we just fling it right back at them?

voretaq7

" I wanted to know what the differences are between pulling data from a database and 'echoing' html onto a page" -- Well, one is pulling dynamic data out of a database, and the other is.... not?

growse

No, wait, lets give it to programmers. They'll love that.

voretaq7

we need TooStupidToBeAllowedToLive.stackexchange.com

growse

Every time you hit "Ask a question", it just goes to a page that says "hang on a sec..."

Aaron

if I put FU!@#ING MAGNETS in the comment I think someone might flag me :(

Holocryptic

6:15 PM

Yeah. People are touchy like that. And not touchy in the happy ending kind of way.

Aaron

oh well, -3 and closed

growse

Support request sent. I may have included the word 'rainbows' because of you guys.

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Holocryptic

Probably the most miraculous support request, EVAH.

voretaq7

@growse My Little TechSupport Ticket?

Shane Madden

@voretaq7 Deploying smooth jazz in 3.. 2.. 1..

voretaq7

6:28 PM

@ShaneMadden Meh.

I worked in a supermarket. I'm immune.

growse

"Hello VMware, I've got this weird networking issue. I'm connecting my blades to my switch with a bonded Etherchannel rainbow."

"What do you think?"

voretaq7

@growse Dual-Path it. Double Rainbow FTW

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WesleyDavid

Luser: I want to scan my network from my Mac like I could using McAfee or Norton on my Windows PC.
Me: Use Zenmap
Luser: Okay, I tried but it won't show computer names. Can only ***advanced tools*** like Norton and McAfee do that?

True story.

[tag: fucking-markdown]

OH MAH FUCKING GWAR MARKDOWN!!!

Okay, kittens will be punched over this. >_<

Holocryptic

markdown-laughs-in-your-face

voretaq7

markdown-isnt-broken-it-just-doesnt-work

Aaron

6:32 PM

works for me! - could-not-replicate

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid StopHittingYourself!

Holocryptic

@WesleyDavid you have a space in there. Derp Derp.

WesleyDavid

i-hate-you-all

@Holocryptic I didn't before the edit.

Aaron

bring-it

voretaq7

@Aaron oh-its-already-been-broughten

Shane Madden

6:34 PM

Ha, today's Penny Arcade: penny-arcade.com/resources/real-talk.html

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voretaq7

@ShaneMadden heh, well like he said though he doesn't anymore.

Once the internet has been whacked with a stick the only course of action is to stand there and get stung until the wave of nerdrage passes

Shane Madden

Definitely

TylerShads

A wild thing appears

Holocryptic

It makes my heart sing

WesleyDavid

Oh, and in reference to my pre-markdown-rage-topic, I had originally sent the luser a picture of Zenmap mapping out a network and on the network map is roughly two dozen nodes with full DNS names - so he then asks if only advanced tools like Norton or McAfee can put names to IP addresses.

voretaq7

6:48 PM

@WesleyDavid yes. in order to use DNS you must install bloatware AV software.

It's in the Windows manual. READ the Constitution!

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WesleyDavid

Chris S

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A: Disk space discrepency between chkdsk and Window Explorer

Explorer tends to value user friendliness over accuracy, so I would count Explorer out. I like to use the tool Space Sniffer to get better read outs for Windows.

^ Not so sure that's actually right... Smells like FS corruption to me.

WesleyDavid

@ChrisS Facts are unimportant. What matters is that people feel good.

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Chris S

Of course! I forgot completely about that.

TylerShads

@WesleyDavid what is this...i dont even...

@jscott That line out of context just looks like you were trying to bang PHP and got killed for it.

Chris S

6:57 PM

@TylerShads That's right! You didn't even know that only Norton (the home sh*t too, not even Symantic) and McAfee come with nslookup. Their ninja's install that bloatware on your computer when you're not looking so it works correctly.

TylerShads

@ChrisS Do they also install iTunes? 'Cause I want to listen to music while I watch my computer burn from the bloat.

Chris S

No iTunes is just a GUI facade for Windows Media Player. Apples has you tricked into thinking it's shiny when it's black and smoldering in its core.

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Jacob

@ChrisS I bought a new HP computer that wouldn't leave setup until I agreed to Norton's ELUA

Chris S

I just wipe new computers when I get them; including friend's and family's computers... I'm not dealing with all that sh*t.

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Holocryptic

@Jacob Which is why I wipe new personal equipment

TylerShads

7:02 PM

@ChrisS A stroke of sanity in an insane world.

pfo

@Chopper3 have you ever done a storage project with data direct networks gear?

TylerShads

@ChrisS When I was configuring a new Dell server, they had an option to have trend micro pre-installed with some business webkit thingie, luckily it let me say no, but consumer laptops are scary that you don't have that option.

Chris S

People ask me if they should do something like Geek Squad's TuneUp thing... Well if you've got nothing better I suppose it's better than leaving all that bloatware on there.

pfo

@Chopper3 i'm strongly considering them for a HPC project - massive sequential load that is

TylerShads

@ChrisS You mean if they don't like having money in their account

pfo

7:04 PM

@Chopper3 any opinions?

Chris S

@TylerShads Yeah; that's for people I don't like... Otherwise I'd be cleaning their machine off.

I don't know what Geek Squad is doing for the 6 hours they charge you for either. It takes me less than an hour on a modern laptop to reinstall Windows and all the basics (Acrobat Reader, VLC, MSE, Java, Firefox, etc)

TylerShads

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@ChrisS Formerly working for a small repair shop I can only attest to either having a lot of orders or a lack of multitasking

Oh wait, we're talking about geek squad, not a sensible company

They're actually doing that shit in the pic ^

Chris S

I'm pretty sure they've got a guy with 2 weeks training trying to clean the bloatware off the machine instead of wiping it.

Holocryptic

@ChrisS And by clean, you mean install keyloggers and hidden spy-cams

TylerShads

When my gf was looking for a laptop for college, her dad was going to buy it for her, naturally came to me and then asked me if the geek squad stuff was worth it. So to prove my point, I went up to an associate and asked him how he removes viruses and he told me he just wipes the system clean because all infections are irreversable.
I then asked if he tried any data recovery techniques before wiping the system and he told me that is what the waivers are for. Easiest $200 I've ever saved someone.

Iain

7:33 PM

@WesleyDavid I stole your answer meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/117251/… and they gave me a badge for it :)

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WesleyDavid

@Iain Duly commented: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/117268/134121

Iain

@WesleyDavid answerception indeed !

WesleyDavid

People say "rep whore" like it's a bad thing.

And wow that meta thread gives me a great idea. rubs hands together evil-like

Iain

I've stolen several answers from comments and achieved 0 rep from them

WesleyDavid

On a slightly related topic. I feel that many badges that are one-timers should be able to be awarded multiple times.

@Iain UR DOIN IT RONG!! You must include lists, pictures and snark. But mostly snark. Good natured, of course... use impersonal pronouns and third person.

Iain

7:38 PM

@WesleyDavid which in particular?

WesleyDavid

@Iain Let's see...

Iain

@WesleyDavid and not do it at the weekend when no one is about too

WesleyDavid

Announcer, Booster, Disciplined, Fanatic, Legendary (yeah, right), Mortarboard... and a few others but I just got a ticket from a client.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid Mortarboard is a one-timer?

Chris S

@voretaq7 Yep, you can only get it once no matter how many times you rep cap

voretaq7

7:46 PM

i thought you could get that more than once. shrug

Aaron

7:56 PM

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Q: Where are webform data stored?

I am new to php. I have created a form but I am unable to understand where would this form be stored when the user presses submit. Can anyone please help me out? Thanks <h1><a>Contact Us</a></h1> <form id="form_317009" class="appnitro" method="post" action=""&...

html webforms

man

I feel bad for SO

WHERE ARE BABBY STORED

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growse

Boo. i answered

But only because I@m waiting for vCenter to finish faffing about

Hmm. Is the 192k rep guy going to get the upvote, or am I, with a miserable 292 rep.

I wonder.

Wooo! upvote!

Aaron

276

Q: Simple proof that GUID is not unique

I'd like to prove that a GUID is not unique in a simple test program. I expected the following code to run for hours, but it's not working. How can I make it work? BigInteger begin = new BigInteger((long)0); BigInteger end = new BigInteger("340282366920938463463374607431768211456",10); //2^128 ...

c# guid fun

growse

Wow, I've been given advice on my answer.

Apparently, I didn't suggest a good book.

WesleyDavid

@growse For every upvote you get on StackOverflow, a SysAdmin gets a corrupt superblock.

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growse

NOOOOOOO!!!!

voretaq7

8:05 PM

@growse Someone who needs a book to explain that needs to go back to school for a semester and take "Programming -999 -- Prerequisites to Existence"

growse

Indeedy

WesleyDavid

I am exceptionally angry today. I should avoid StackExchange. Time to have fun clearing tickets for clients!!

:(){ :|:& };:

growse

Is it me, or can I not click on vote totals to see up/downs on SO?

WesleyDavid

@growse You need more rep for that.

growse

Oh, silly me.

Wow, he's still going.

WesleyDavid

8:12 PM

@growse Yeah, he's being a tool.

growse

Right, I'm done arguing.

Top Gear's on.

Chopper3

Worst thing about Christmas - just had to play a board game with the family - the games suck, they suck at playing them and they never spot me cheating ever - why can't we just all have a communal game of BF3 instead??

TylerShads

@growse least his engrish is funny

@Chopper3 Or play said board games on a proper console, nothing wrong with that

Aaron

I suggest playing 'catchphrase'

Scott Pack

Carcasonne is fun. Throw out the farm rules and you've got a nice beer and pretzels board game.

Chopper3

8:19 PM

@pfo we looked at their SFA product and it looked good but we couldn't get the support wrap we needed around it

Aaron

I don't see the XSS in this answer

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A: Where are webform data stored?

Each form in HTML has an action attribute. Imagine the form below: index.php <form name="myForm" method="post" action="check.php"> <input type="text" name="username" /> <inpyt type="submit" value="send" /> </form> When user press submit button, your form will sen...

Chris S

8:32 PM

@Aaron echo('Welcome dear '.$username);

Whatever data, script, html, anything gets passed in the POST as username= will be printed in the webpage returned.

Aaron

I don't think it's an XSS vulnerability, it might be a unsanitized input vulnerability, but to my thinking those are not the same

Chris S

I could create a url like this http://exmaple.com/insecure_form.php?uername=<script>call SendSessionInfoToHaxor()</script> and when you click on it, it would run that javascript.

XSS is primarily unsanitized input being executed by a 3rd party browser.

Cross-site scripting

Cross-site scripting (XSS) is a type of computer security vulnerability typically found in Web applications that enables attackers to inject client-side script into Web pages viewed by other users. A cross-site scripting vulnerability may be used by attackers to bypass access controls such as the same origin policy. Cross-site scripting carried out on websites accounted for roughly 80.5% of all security vulnerabilities documented by Symantec as of 2007. Their effect may range from a petty nuisance to a significant security risk, depending on the sensitivity of the data handled by the vulne...

Shane Madden

Yeah, that example is pretty much the reference implementation of XSS-vulnerable code

Chris S

the "Non-persistent" example on the Wikipedia page is a reflected XSS exploit, basically the same thing I just gave an example of above.

Shane Madden

And that's how most vulnerability scanners check for it - send a request with <script>alert('xss');</script> and look for that in the response.

Chris S

8:40 PM

XSS is basically this, you create a browser interaction (link or static page, lots ways to get clients to initiate the process) that sends a target's browser to a legitimate site where their browser is tricked into sending information to a 3rd party.

A large part of the problem with XSS is that the idea is very simple. Get Alice and Bob to talk to each other and Alice to spill the beans to Eve. The complication comes in the implementation, which can be incredibly complicated and isn't always a lack of user input validation.

I think every Question I've seen on SO has had the comment "Find a book on XYZ and read it.", usually with +1s.

Reminds me of highly offensive music video call "Read a Book". Convenient link: NSFW-> youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8 <-NSFW

growse

@ChrisS In addition, the number of people who think that XSS is an input validation issue is shocking.

Nowt wrong with storing "<script src=evilscript.js />" in your database.

lots wrong with outputting it unescaped to the browser.

Holocryptic

@ChrisS And they say we're curmudgeonly assholes...

Chris S

@Holocryptic Exactly my point!

Shane Madden

@ChrisS The guy that was arguing for the book link apparently downvoted an answer for the sin of answering the question instead of recommending a book.

Chris S

@growse Well the most common example by far is exactly what that guy posted... He even seems to be pretty indifferent about it's problems.

Shane Madden

8:51 PM

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A: Where are webform data stored?

The action attribute of the form element determines what URL the data will be sent to. In this case, as it is empty, the page will post to itself. You need to have server side code to capture and store this data, otherwise it will be lost. As for where it will be stored - that is up to you. Yo...

Aaron

man, the answers for that question are ranked in a weird order for me votewise

4,2,1,1,2,1,7

Shane Madden

@Aaron Probably sorted by activity? That's the default

Holocryptic

Mohit is a bit of an asshole, isn't he?

Simon Sheehan

Afternoon everyone!

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