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Shalvenay

12:03 AM

hey again @Ben

Ben

12:28 AM

[wave]

The Oracle

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Q: Why was this question protected?

To be clear, I'm not complaining about this question being protected. But I'm not sure what prompted this question to be protected, given that as far as I know only one answer got into the stuff in the linked comment (and said answer was subsequently deleted)? Is there a canonical behavior for ...

V2Blast

12:44 AM

For anyone familiar with Savage Worlds: does it use American or British/international spellings?

specifically "armor" vs. "armour"

This answer got edited (by someone besides the original answerer) to change American spellings to British ones:

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A: Does the Bronze Helmet provide full cover for the head?

So looking at flamethrowers in SWADE: Flamethrowers propel incendiary liquid or gas to incinerate their targets. They are Heavy Weapons, use the Cone Template (see Area Effect Attacks, page 97), and may be Evaded (page 100). Armour protects normally, but flammable targets may catch fire (see Fire...

Shalvenay

@Ben able to hop on Discord now?

Ben

Sorry not atm. Gotta do a lot of lead chasing. Got a few potential customers and wanna get in early

Shalvenay

@Ben aaah

C. Ross

@V2Blast IIRC in general it uses American English, and their website references mainly US locales. But it's been several years since I played the system.

V2Blast

@C.Ross That's what my googling suggested. Hopefully someone can confirm and revert the edit as needed - and ideally link the relevant meta:

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Q: Standardization of English, etc.

In a recent (otherwise quite solid) edit of “Will changing an artifact sword to another weapon type impact game balance much?”, @okeefe changed the British spelling “artefact” to the American spelling “artifact.” Searching our meta, I see no rule regarding whether a particular spelling is prefer...

discussion language

(usually we encounter the opposite problem here...)

BESW

1:03 AM

@V2Blast That user has a history of similar edits.

linksassin

1:16 AM

@V2Blast It was edited by the asker though so I don't know if that provides additional support.

V2Blast

1:26 AM

also, another relevant meta:

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Q: Does Standard English overrule game terms?

Role-playing games often concoct their own rules governing in-text presentation of game terms, and these rules sometimes violate the rules of Standard English. For example, in Dungeons and Dragons, Third Edition, and its kin, initial capitalization is used in the term Hit Dice, periods are omitte...

discussion terminology

Shalvenay

hey there btw @linksassin, how're things going?

linksassin

@Shalvenay G'day. Not too bad.

Yourself?

Shalvenay

OK here

Stackstuck

Meanwhile in my quest to ask questions about every single Anima: Beyond Fantasy rules WTF: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/150110/…

how did they manage to leave out any rules on effect stacking

Shalvenay

@Stackstuck ...yeah, that's a bit awkward, probably not a particularly rare omission though

Stackstuck

1:36 AM

Like, they even did have a few instances of "this doesn't stack with itself", but also, like....

they don't have any default behaviors.

Let alone whether they did any such thing for psionics.

Or for that matter Ki Techniques.

V2Blast

@Stackstuck Even D&D 5e forgot to include one for stuff besides spells at first :P

Stackstuck

Huh.

V2Blast

This is in the D&D 5e basic rules, but only covers the same spell stacking on the same target: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/spellcasting#CombiningMagicalEffects
The DMG only added a broader paragraph on "Combining Game Effects" in errata: http://media.wizards.com/2018/dnd/downloads/DMG-Errata.pdf

Hot RPG Questions

1:54 AM

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Q: Encounter design and XP thresholds

Our DM gave us what seemed to me to be a very hard encounter so I checked out the DMG to see whats up. Note this was the only encounter of the day and we generally have 1-4 encounters per day. We are a group of four level 7 players, and we met three frost giants. The thing is, we crushed them ev...

dnd-5e encounter-design encounters

Stackstuck

I'm very tempted to ask more related questions about various things such as psionics and combat penalties...

Due to a recently acquired hardware problem, though, I can't do the preliminary research necessary to rule out the existence of rules for these things.

Shalvenay

@Stackstuck oof :/

Ash

@Stackstuck oh, that's unfortunate :(

Stackstuck

(sprcifically, I can't read the PDFs on my desktop due to font issues, and I can't read the PDFs on my phone due to the back button suddenly spazzing out recently.)

(and I can't replace or upgrade the phone because they've gone all weird with the new phones of this product line - who the bleep decided curved screens were a good idea?)

BESW

Suddenly I realize that the only game I play with stacking bonus rules is Fate, and its rule is just "you can stack free invokes but point invokes are one per aspect per player."

Stackstuck

2:03 AM

Honestly, I haven't played 5e in a while either.

Used to, though.

Rubiksmoose

I play cat stacking all the time. There are no rules for cat stacking.

BESW

@Rubiksmoose There is, however, often a loser.

trogdor

Yeah

I looked up an image of cat stacking and I'm actually a little horrified by it

I couldn't do that to my cats

BESW

Your cats are the unregulated extreme sports version of cat stacking.

trogdor

Why is that?

BESW

2:10 AM

There's no rules, no oversight, no safety gear, and somebody's gonna get hurt.

trogdor

Oh ok yeah

Ash

@Rubiksmoose I see I have been missing out on prime entertainment possibilities.

trogdor

But actually that is just me psycho

Ash

I feel like my cat would put up with this much longer than he should.

trogdor

Even on the trip to the vet, being held down was enough when she got her blood samples taken and stuff

She would probably let me get away with a lot honestly

But he was definitely ready to kill all life on the planet even with The seditive we gave him beforehand

He's honestly scary

Miniman

2:28 AM

@V2Blast "Even" ???

Ben

2:42 AM

And now we wait...

Shalvenay

@Ben ehehe, now a better time for Discord?

Ben

Sure just waiting for peeps to call back, so I could jump on for a little

Rubiksmoose

@trogdor oh my gosh some of those are legitimately scary lol

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Drawing a second weapon as part of an attack?

Consider a 1st level Rogue who wants to fight with two shortswords using Two-Weapon Fighting (PHB p.195) but does not have the Dual Wielder Feat. Starting off empty-handed, is the following possible? Round 1) Free Interaction: Draw first shortsword Action: Attack with first shortsword Round ...

dnd-5e actions two-weapon-fighting

linksassin

3:02 AM

@Rubiksmoose No offense, but please stay away from my cat. I didn't know this existing and am now very concerned about it.

Rubiksmoose

@linksassin I don't think you'll have to worry about that. I think there is quite a bit of geographical separation between me and your cats. Also the most I've ever done is a couple TV remotes :)

linksassin

@Rubiksmoose Glad to hear that the most you've done. Some of those pictures are concerning.

Rubiksmoose

I completely agree

linksassin

Why do we get chat flags for the non-english sites? How am I meant to know if it is spam?

Rubiksmoose

The whole SE chat network is linked together.

Ash

3:15 AM

@linksassin If you aren't sure, you can just leave it :)

You see them because the Stack Exchange chat stuff doesn't differentiate between langauges/sites, chat flags go to anyone with over 10k network rep, regardless of sites they use.

linksassin

@Ash They've added a "not sure" option to dismiss it now which is useful.

Ash

@linksassin yeah that's a nice touch

linksassin

@Ash For some reason I thought there was a delineation between english and non-english sites. I knew that most of chat was connected.

Ash

@linksassin Nope, there's not, other than possibly the SO non-English site chats being on the SO chat server but I don't know for sure if they're there or here.

Miniman

@linksassin Not to mention disappointing! If you tell me you're cat stacking, I expect to see something like this:

Ben

3:18 AM

@linksassin Probably for the same reason why I got locked out for saying some nasty things about an ambiguous and non-existent person, though without context seemed very aimed at someone in chat

Ash

@Miniman I'd love to see someone try that with cats :P

@Ben I'm not sure how this relates to that.

Ben

Talking about chat flags?

Miniman

@Ash I'm not sure I would. I'd love to see someone succeed with cats, though.

trogdor

Lol

linksassin

@Ash I think his just saying that the flags come with absolutely 0 context so you can get banned for things that with context were fine

Ash

3:19 AM

@Ben It's more the "probably for the same reason" part that confuses me

@Miniman ah, yes, you are right, that is a very important difference

trogdor

You would be dead, the cats would destroy you

Ben

@Ash Yeah. The lack of context

Ash

@Ben ah, okay :)

I know that's something the Bridge used to have trouble with. (But in general the Bridge has gotten a lot less....hm....messy/complex, I guess, due to some very strong efforts by various humans who inhabit the room. )

linksassin

@Ash There are various rooms across the network that got permanently frozen for repeated poor behavior. I'm very glad our site isn't like that

Ash

@linksassin nods THe Bridge used to be more infamous in that sense, but then we were like "okay nope lets fix that". It's still more...liberal in it's application of certain ideas, I guess, but it's not the terribleness it could be.

I'm kinda proud of that.

Ben

3:25 AM

@Ash Nice work!

Ash

@Ben We collectively worked pretty dang hard, and I am glad, it could have gone in a much differenter direction.

Rubiksmoose

I'm proud that this chat is largely a safe and respectful place. I feel like I could invite just about anyone here and know that they'd feel welcome and safe.

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Ash

@Rubiksmoose That is definitely something I value about this room, specifically

Ben

@Ash That really is great news :D Well done to everyone

Rubiksmoose

@Ash and it didn't just happen accidentally! People worked hard over the years to create a culture where respect is the norm and anybody who is acting out of line gets corrected. And not just by mods or room owners, by the community at large. That is a special thing :)

Ash

3:29 AM

@Rubiksmoose yeah, it's so cool to see. Like I barely play stuff, only have 101 rep and I still feel so welcomed here.

trogdor

This room is good? :P

That can't be right

XD

Rubiksmoose

@trogdor Well one thing it certainly is not is on-topic (glances at cat stacking convo) lol

Ben

@trogdor If you think this room is bad, maybe go look on some other forums :P

Rubiksmoose

But we aren't miracle workers right?

V2Blast

Aug 7 '18 at 20:02, by doppelgreener

At least for this chat, going by its history, the most off-topic thing anyone's probably asked in here was a tabletop RPG question.

Rubiksmoose

3:32 AM

@V2Blast One of my favorite quotes

trogdor

@Ben I don't think I'm going to do that thing

Ben

@V2Blast Maybe we should change the room description to Main chat room for "tabletop role-playing games"

@trogdor Lolol

trogdor

This and discord are the only online social area's I frequent

And even for Discord I'm only in two places

And the second is extremely recent and low activity

Ben

Off-topic question. Anyone have any experience with Savage Worlds? We recently reach a new level and I have Power Points to spend.

Rubiksmoose

@trogdor saaaame. I don't even do FB.

linksassin

3:39 AM

@Ben Correct, it's very off-topic. :P

trogdor

@Rubiksmoose I'm not usually on that either

Ben

Hehe

trogdor

I go weeks without opening it at a time, often longer Even

And when I do it's because someone direct messaged me

And then I leave after reading it

I wish the people who did that would contact me other ways honestly

Rubiksmoose

Yeah :-/ Luckily my parents are slowly learning that I don't see/respond to stuff on there.

Slowly.

Shalvenay

yeah, I'm glad I don't deal with FB or anything like that

Ash

3:42 AM

I use...a large number of social networks.

Ben

@Rubiksmoose I have the opposite problem. My parents still leave voicemails when I miss there calls. I ring them back and they say "I left a voicemail"

Ash

(My second favourite immigration question was "list all the methods you and your spouse use to contact each other when you are not in the same physical space". We had...a long list for that.)

Rubiksmoose

@Ben hah!

Shalvenay

other than my Stackizenry and a couple of Discords, only one of which is large/active, all I am on is like...a forum or two, and even then only sporadically

Miniman

@Ben If you get Power Boards you can multiply your Power Points.

Ben

3:45 AM

@Miniman Well I'm at my third set of 5, so I don't want to overload it

Miniman

@Ben As long as you don't plug Power Boards into other Power Boards you should be fine.

BESW

I use the "Presentation" feature in LibreOffice.

@BESW Lol

@BESW facepalm

3:52 AM

grins I like that.

V2Blast

@Ben that was painful

I love it

Ben

You're welcome XD

Stackstuck

...wow, I'm apparently the all-time top asker on Anima: Beyond Fantasy questions. I don't know whether to be proud, bemused, or ashamed. Or none of the above.

Rubiksmoose

@Stackstuck all of the above!

Stackstuck

heh.

linksassin

4:06 AM

@Stackstuck By quite a margin too. I don't see why you were surprised :P

Stackstuck

I'm a few questions away from having asked half of all Anima questions by volume.

I'm just kind of surprised that all of this low-hanging fruit, in a sense, is still out there

or perhaps at the number of rules holes.

BESW

Heretical Geese (free itch.io link) by Yoon Ha Lee & Ursula Whitcher is a two-page tabletop roleplaying game for a cunning Fox (or GM) and wary Geese (or players). Can the Geese achieve moral insights before being assimilated?

V2Blast

Someone in one of my RPG discords is running a game of Lancer sometime during weekends... It seems cool, but unfortunately I already have 3 games (theoretically) on weekends and I'm not sure I can do another

linksassin

4:51 AM

Does anyone know if there is a reason we don't have a food-and-drink tag?

Ben

@linksassin I can say that I do not know.

BESW

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Q: Are questions entirely about snacks on topic?

In gm-techniques there are lots of questions and answers that mention snacks (One example). Those questions are usually broader than just snacks, and I can't find any question that's only about snacks. Would a question solely about snacks be on topic? The question I'm thinking about came about b...

discussion

Ben

I could hazard a guess, but that's not your question :P

linksassin

@BESW While entertaining that isn't quite what I meant.

We seem to have over 200 question about food in rpgs but no tag for them.

MikeQ

To the meta-mobile, Robin!

4:58 AM

Lol

5:57 AM

So at the moment, My PC in Savage Worlds is Hard to hit, Has a fairly high ability to hit, and moderately high damage. My downfall is that I have no buffer against wounds, and have not much skill variation.

I was thinking of taking a skill boost, or potentially the "Command" edge, which leads to basically an "AoE boost" effect, with additional bonuses as you progress

The Oracle

6:57 AM

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Q: Should we have a [food-and-drink] tag?

We have 212 questions about food within the context of rpgs, but no tag to connect them. A question was just asked where the definition of food and drink will be important to the answers. I was looking for tags for the question and couldn't come up with anything better than the generic spells t...

discussion tags

kviiri

7:07 AM

@Ben Getting hit in SW is such a pain

Boom, wound penalties and stunlock! :)

Ben

@kviiri Thankfully stunlock is no longer a thing

It only becomes a potential after you get to 2 or 3 wounds, and have no spirit to un-shake

BESW

Home Again by Nell Raban is a magical realist game of reclamation powered by the apocalypse.

A Twitter thread inviting "suggestions or advice on aftercare and cooldowns for Dungeon Masters."

Folk Horror, by Nell Raban. A roleplaying game about using oppressors’ superstitions against them.

goodguy5

8:42 AM

I stumbled upon this.

homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/SyQi8I8BJr

Garfield patron.

kviiri

@Ben Not as bad, yeah

The Oracle

10:17 AM

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Q: Should there be more requirements for some privileges than just reputation?

At the moment I have almost 3000 reputation (and even one of the golden badge things). So rpg.stackexchange seems to think that I can handle all kinds of roleplay questions and decide about their quality, as I’m almost at the point where I can cast votes to close and reopen stuff. But is that a...

discussion review privileges

John Clifford

10:42 AM

Morning all.

BESW

[wave]

kviiri

Hi

John Clifford

How are we all this fine Tuesday?

BESW

I'm really liking the concept of Nell Raban's "The Island," but the specifics of the roles need some work for me to consider them playable.

Thinking about joining the DREAMJAM.

KorvinStarmast

@Someone_Evil yeah, it would have been a single question with a single answer. 8^D

kviiri

10:50 AM

@JohnClifford At work, fantasizing about board games while my boss fantasizes about me working :)

V2Blast

@BESW mmmm.... jam

BESW

JAAAAAAM.

nitsua60

11:42 AM

For the next couple of weeks I'll be travelling internationally: I'll rarely be around. I can't think of anything you'd need me for rather than other mods, but if something comes up feel free to ping me and don't expect a quick reply.

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BESW

@nitsua60 Sheep references, obviously!

Be safe, and send us a postcard.

John Clifford

My boss can only fantasise about me working until Friday, and then I'm off to a new job. :D

kviiri

Oh! Is that good?

John Clifford

I'll still be a programmer but for a bunch more money so yeah. ^_^

kviiri

Cool, congrats then!

My boss can fantasize me working until Thursday afternoon because Friday's Midsummer eve

goodguy5

12:36 PM

I just made this complaint to my wife and it's one of my favorite complaints I've ever made.

Playing in that game was the worst. Three couples who are so habitually late I feel like they’re a part of some cult religion where one of the main tenants is tardiness.

@Rubiksmoose You would think that, cake-sniffer.

Derpy

@goodguy5 the only other usage of the word "tardiness" I have heard off before was by Twilight... ^_^

kviiri

I think I learned the word from the Simpsons. I used to watch them with near-religious zeal.

Derpy

@BESW It is called transhumance

After all, summer is coming, time to move to the higher pastures.

goodguy5

12:51 PM

I think I learned "tardiness" from my regular school, but now I'm not so sure. Definitely "tardy", and I try to know all of the forms of words I learn.

can someone check this link for me?
https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/phase-spider

at work and it's blocked

Akixkisu

When you open a meta about a specific flag that has been rejected, what tags do you use?

goodguy5

@Akixkisu support or discussion, if you think it's a community matter

Akixkisu

support and flaggin?

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 I unironically love that I just got a notification with only that in it lol

Hot RPG Questions

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Q: Can Ogre clerics use Purify Food and Drink on humanoid characters?

Can Ogre clerics use Purify Food and Drink on humanoid characters to cure them as humanoid creatures are regarded as food in Ogre culture? Similarly, can Ogre clerics use Create Food and Water to summon a halfling teammate?

dnd-5e spells targeting

Sdjz

12:59 PM

@goodguy5 What do you mean by checking the link? It links to phase spider on D&D Beyond

Rubiksmoose

@Sdjz If I were to guess, goodguy probably constructed the link by hand and is making sure it works.

Sdjz

@Rubiksmoose Oh that makes sense, then yes, it works fine @goodguy5

goodguy5

that is exactly what happened. thanks for checking

yea. I typed phase-spider and was worried I had the formatting wrong....

but I started worrying about it AFTER I'd already made the edit lol

nitsua60

@Akixkisu flagging, moderation come to mind

goodguy5

There are so many more meta tags than I originally thought....

oh hai, nits. where you travelin to?

GcL

1:06 PM

@goodguy5 I usually just guess with the links as well. Replace spaces with dashes and it's usually good to go.

nitsua60

England.

goodguy5

ah

enjoy

GcL

@nitsua60 Get it before it brexits

goodguy5

ring those bells, if you know what I'm sayin

nitsua60

@goodguy5 Thanks!

@goodguy5 That's exactly what I'm'a do =)

Including a day at the National Twelve-Bell Striking Competition, where I will easily be the worst of hundreds--if not thousands!--of ringers.

@GcL Like the elves departing from the Grey Havens, soon the British will leave this world...?

NautArch

1:14 PM

@Akixkisu I didn't want to start off an edit 'war', but on this recent edit the comma was a good grammatical edit, but the second edit really wasn't necessary. If anything, adding "the" into sentences I try and void. If you can read it out loud and it sounds fine without it, then it's not necessary :)

nitsua60

Holy moly, people: IKEA's selling a hex-patterned glass table for less than a battlemat of the same size.

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NautArch

@nitsua60 that's bonkers!

goodguy5

@nitsua60 do you think they get it?

do they know what they've done?

G. Moylan

this question needs some help: Questions about flying and switching between modes of movement when flying

Akixkisu

@NautArch it is an unverified preposition usage about which some people care. Sometimes one does these additional edits out of habit.

NautArch

1:24 PM

@Akixkisu If it can go one way or the other, then I think it's better not to make the edit. Not sure if one's personal preference is worth editing for.

But the sentence reads perfectly fine without it, so the additional "the" just clutters it in my mind.

Akixkisu

@NautArch it doesn't go one way or another, one way is clear - the other is not. But I wouldn't make that as the sole edit it is an addition to a substantial edit.

NautArch

@Akixkisu This is why I didn't want to start the edit war. I just don't see the need for that edit. I've said my piece, i'll let it go. Just suggesting that when editing, look carefully at the real impact. If it was my own copy, I'd revert it.

I generally agreed with the tag edits on that, but the copy seemed fine to me.

(minus the missing comma, but that also wasn't horrific)

GcL

@nitsua60 Unlikely, but I doubt it's going to be better afterwards. Like after the elves discovered orange paint.... all the enclaves look like freakin' construction sites... which is why everyone stays away these days.

Mage in the Barrel

yawn good mornong

DucksGoMooful

Hello!

Mage in the Barrel

1:36 PM

i was greeted by an unpleasant surprise in my yard, we got an invader weed (plant transported from another country which can take over a whole neigbornhood if left alone))

Rubiksmoose

@MageintheBarrel oh no!

Mage in the Barrel

anyways can someone skim over my homebrew real quick mainly the last part I want to know if it's ready for play testing so I can prsent it to my dm

Akixkisu

@NautArch as said it isn't a matter of preference. To care about the grammar used is the preference. It is a syntax error, but one that most people don't notice. The edit adds clarity.

goodguy5

@MageintheBarrel sure. where it be

Mage in the Barrel

homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/HybZMXJQyB

the part about black forest resident

goodguy5

1:38 PM

@MageintheBarrel racist (kidding)

Mage in the Barrel

the forest is black not the people there

NautArch

@Akixkisu I 100% disagree. But I'm not going to argue about it anymore.

Mage in the Barrel

it's called that becuase it's cursed to be perpetually under the darkness spell

NautArch

@goodguy5 What if they had cherry filling?

/wooosh

Mage in the Barrel

the space is twisted too

Rubiksmoose

1:40 PM

@goodguy5 Just a gentle prod, but I'd personally prefer we don't joke about things being racist (for future reference). There too much stuff that is in the world and I feel like making a joke out of it sometimes trivialises that.

G. Moylan

that 3.5 movement question is a doozy

Mage in the Barrel

the world does revolve around white cisgendered males afterall (i'll leave it at that)

goodguy5

@MageintheBarrel Blindsight 60 is REALLY strong

Mage in the Barrel

shorted it?

NautArch

@goodguy5 massively. Usually blindsight is 10ish, right?

G. Moylan

1:41 PM

There was a question addressing similar issues with a homebrew warlock invocation just the other day

Yuuki

@Rubiksmoose What if we're talking about the public's out-sized value on the 100m dash compared to the other running events?

goodguy5

and "advantage in the dark" is equally, if not more strong

NautArch

hmm, quite a few monsters have a 60' blindsight. down to CR 5, too.

and lower

G. Moylan

@NautArch they're monsters, though, and have supposedly developed those traits over several generations

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki As a former very amateur long distance runner, I'm definitely on board with this lol

Mage in the Barrel

1:42 PM

if I remove the ability score and proficency would that balance it out?

NautArch

gray ooze at 1/2 has 60'

John Clifford

Humanoid ones though?

NautArch

filtering...

@JohnClifford only one; Drow Archomancer at 10'

John Clifford

Blindsight is less of a broken thing for creatures that don't have opposable thumbs. :P

Mage in the Barrel

what about tremorsense?

John Clifford

1:44 PM

60' still seems excessive though.

G. Moylan

@MageintheBarrel any of those extra senses is pretty strong. The abilities are almost exclusively relegated to non-player creatures, and when they do show up for PCs, they're very limited

OR they're 20th-level epic boons

John Clifford

The problem with having Blindsight and Tremorsense is that it's really difficult to render a PC unable to pinpoint the location of anything that causes vibrations.

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose zippy.gfycat.com/SmallBlaringAsianconstablebutterfly.webm

-sigh-

Mage in the Barrel

wouldn't they constantly run into walls

G. Moylan

not if you have darkvision

Mage in the Barrel

1:46 PM

with tremorsense

G. Moylan

which is such a common trait that it's almost trivial

John Clifford

I'd say "perceive its surroundings" would include barriers like walls.

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel no humanoids have tremorsense

G. Moylan

@MageintheBarrel why would they run into walls?

Mage in the Barrel

becuase walls don't make virbrations?

John Clifford

1:46 PM

Blindsight would cover any areas Tremorsense didn't.

Sir Cinnamon

they do if you make vibrations around them

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel It does seem most things with tremorsense tend to be associated with being in/part of earth/rock.

Mage in the Barrel

the person also has no eyesight

G. Moylan

I'm with @JohnClifford that they can "perceive their surroundings" and would be familiar with their lair. Actually blind creatures probably wouldn't be moving around much anyway

goodguy5

@SirCinnamon not how the ability works.

John Clifford

1:47 PM

You'd essentially be completely aware of everything going on around you with few ways to impede that.

It'd basically be kind of like...you know how they show Daredevil's "sight" in the show?

G. Moylan

@JohnClifford I was on board with that show until they did that

Mage in the Barrel

unlike most enemies with tremorsense

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 Please take it as a friendly request :)

G. Moylan

@G.Moylan very Matrix 3 of them

John Clifford

You weren't a fan of that, @G.Moylan?

goodguy5

1:48 PM

@Rubiksmoose Here we see the violence inherent in the system!

John Clifford

I mean it's long been canonical that Daredevil's superpower is essentially that he's a blind guy who can see. My friends and I have had a running joke about that for years. :P

G. Moylan

@JohnClifford I liked the show itself I just thought how they portrayed his senses as actually being supernatural kinda dumb.

Mage in the Barrel

what if they could only hear touch and taste no sense of smell or sight

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 But I haven't even started to han out the swords yet!

NautArch

@MageintheBarrel If they're in magical darkness, why haven't they evolved devll's sight?

why blindsight/tremorsense over that?

Mage in the Barrel

1:49 PM

there's devils sight?

G. Moylan

@MageintheBarrel as a character that would still be a huge hindrance to a party

John Clifford

Is Devil's Sight not just 60' Darkvision?

Yuuki

IIRC, blindsight doesn't penetrate magical darkness.

DucksGoMooful

Devil's sight is a warlock invocation

pierces magical darkness

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose Strange women layin in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government.

DucksGoMooful

1:50 PM

I don't see how you could evolve that though, I'd imagine being able to sense through other means would be much more likely to evolve

Sir Cinnamon

@Yuuki It does (because it isnt really sight)

Mage in the Barrel

i thought it was just true sight blindsight tremorsense and darksight

John Clifford

Wait, how does magical darkness impede Blindsight when the whole point is that it's surroundings perception without requiring vision?

Yuuki

@JohnClifford Magic.

goodguy5

@DucksGoMooful I mean, if the darkness is in them, then that's enough reason to gain devil's sight, but under another name.

John Clifford

1:51 PM

If you can't see the darkness it shouldn't matter how magical it is. :P

Yuuki

<jazz hands>

DucksGoMooful

(I'm only reading the back half of this conversation so you can feel free to ignore me if I missed something already said :P)

G. Moylan

either way granting these abilities as baseline to a PC is hugely strong

John Clifford

@MageintheBarrel Hot take: you're making a homebrew race, so there's nothing stopping you from homebrewing what kind of vision it has.

Yuuki

Yeah, being able to always know where everything is around you is pretty OP.

goodguy5

1:51 PM

and again, the "advantage in darkness" is huge.

John Clifford

If the existing vision mechanics don't do what you need, make up your own.

Mage in the Barrel

it a curse that swallows all light all forms of sight that rely on eyes don't work it

goodguy5

@JohnClifford lukewarm take; possibly downright tepid

Mage in the Barrel

what kind of sense do you suggest?

Yuuki

Wait, aren't you using a homebrew class as well?

John Clifford

1:53 PM

Tepid take, then. ;)

G. Moylan

@goodguy5 do you approach this topic with... tepid-ation?

Mage in the Barrel

i can only think of senses in terms of blindsense

Sir Cinnamon

Any character addition that lets you see through magical darkness has hefty balance implications

goodguy5

@G.Moylan more like a ... tepido

John Clifford

Oh man I am totally homebrewing a class that gets extra power and advantage from making puns while using actions.

Sir Cinnamon

1:54 PM

@JohnClifford That's called a Bard

Yuuki

What about orangesense, the ability to detect the presence of the color orange?

Mage in the Barrel

that sounds dumb

John Clifford

Oh man I am totally homebrewing a class that gets extra power and advantage from making puns while using actions that doesn't screw everything in a 50 mile radius.

G. Moylan

@JohnClifford wouldn't that rely heavily on the player's ability to be funny, though?

Yuuki

@MageintheBarrel Orange is a color, not a sound.

John Clifford

1:55 PM

@G.Moylan Luckily my group is on fire with the puns and lateral thinking humour, generally.

Mage in the Barrel

yeag

Yuuki

Although I suppose it is certainly a loud color.

G. Moylan

@JohnClifford please edit the curse out

Sir Cinnamon

@Yuuki No it's a fruit

Sdjz

@JohnClifford oots.fandom.com/wiki/Dashing_Swordsman

G. Moylan

1:55 PM

@G.Moylan this chat is logged

NautArch

@JohnClifford Devil's Sight permits sight through magical darkness where darkvision doesn't.

John Clifford

Edited, apologies.

G. Moylan

np np I've been caught on that a couple times myself

Yuuki

Whoa, jumping the gun a bit there on that chat flag, people.

John Clifford

Oh yeah, forgot about Dashing Swordsman.

Mage in the Barrel

1:56 PM

what if it's short range tremprsense

G. Moylan

@Yuuki yeah I clicked it before he replied

John Clifford

I'm used to being in uncensored chats and we Scots tend to use cussing as punctuation, so I'm not used to having to pay attention to it. I'll try to be more aware.

Yuuki

@G.Moylan Maybe wait at least a minute before chat flagging since verified flags result in a minute-long chat ban.

And escalates in duration from there.

John Clifford

Eh, that's fine. The worst thing that will happen is that you won't have to put up with me for a while. :P

G. Moylan

@Yuuki I did not know that, I simply wanted to get help in case there were issues

Mage in the Barrel

1:58 PM

theres a rare dagger that gives you blindsight for 30 ft in waterdeep

Yuuki

And it's rare.