Root Access

Little Child

16:00

@Sathya TCS was going to be the judge at the competiton

doing some homework, ping me when you are done reviewing.

Journeyman Geek

TCS?

Little Child

Tata Consultancy Services

@JourneymanGeek tcs.com/Pages/default.aspx

Journeyman Geek

what level is this for?

Little Child

@Tanner read ?

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek official retirement centre for folks who've been in IT for 8+ years

Tanner

16:04

working on it

Journeyman Geek

lol

Little Child

@Sathya wdf ? :p

Sathya

@JourneymanGeek fwiw I did consider joining TCS couple years ago. then Logica came up with a better offer

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: to quote Christopher walken

needs more cowbell

especially if this is going to be presented

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek erm... ???

Journeyman Geek

16:05

lol

@LittleChild: it really feels like a textbook-type work

Sathya

@LittleChild share the doc & drop a link in Root Access

Journeyman Geek

You're listing facts

Little Child

@Sathya I did. Maybe you werent here :)

@JourneymanGeek it is supposed to be a research paper

not Head First CLoud Computing

I mean cmon!

Sathya

prolly missed out

Little Child

@Sathya docs.google.com/file/d/0BzY15ZB0eWxFU1RZQkpsXzFVSlk/…

Journeyman Geek

16:06

@LittleChild: well, everyone is writing like that I'd guess ;p

But more specific examples would be good

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek whaaaaat ze foook

Journeyman Geek

lol

Tanner

A technical definition is "a computing capability grammar there strikes me as a little off

Journeyman Geek

example

you could give a scenaio where a cloud computing environment would work in DR

and a company that uses it

and how that's better than the traditional approach, or how it suppliments it

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek AFAIK, I was supposed to give a brief overview. If selected, explain it to oldies from TCS

ok so -1 for the grammar , -1 for rote style of writing

what else ?

Journeyman Geek

16:10

@LittleChild: well, its useful to understand why

EVERYONE will be rote writing

Little Child

rate it out of 10. be brutal

Sathya

Skimmed it, I'm not sure what your paper's trying to say - or is it just me?

Journeyman Geek

maybe 2-3

;p

Little Child

:D

Journeyman Geek

honestly though, I don't blame you

Little Child

16:12

ok so it was bad

Journeyman Geek

it was boring

Little Child

so are all research papers

Journeyman Geek

ugh, lets see If I have one of mine to tear apart

Little Child

@Sathya I tried to keep it as coherent as possible

with focus on architecture and how enterprises can use it :/

user88311

Has anybody else noticed this with windows 7, with internet explorer it counts all the tabs as actual instances of the browser being opened

Little Child

16:15

same with Chrome I guess. For every tab you open, there will be chrome.exe in Task manager

@Tanner done ? :/

Tanner

@LittleChild Nah got a support call

user88311

No havent seen that in chrome or ff

just IE

Journeyman Geek

@user88311: chrome does that too

Rudá Almeida

@user88311 chrome does that too

Journeyman Geek

;p

user88311

16:16

Ok yes I know what you mean, in task manager, but with IE in the task bar it's actually showing as seperate windows

Sathya

@user88311 yes IE does that.

I think FF has an option to enable that style

user88311

A pain if I do say so myself

Rudá Almeida

@user88311 Office does that with separate documents, don't remember when it changed, I guess from 2003 to 2007, I didnt like it

Little Child

@user88311 yes, get it. it shows multiple count for each tab

@Sathya if you are not busy, do U mind if I ask you a few questions about the mindset of the recruiters in IT companies in India ?

Sathya

shoot

Little Child

16:19

boom boom boom reload boom boom boom

Sathya

fwiw I have a blog post I did rather recently about my experience as a tech interviewer

Tanner

`Is cloud computing same as grid computing or cluster
computing?` Bonus points for the formatting there. Were you supposed to adhere to a standard or was it pretty much anything goes? I see you say it's a research paper but there's no citations. What level of education was this for?

Little Child

1. Does favoritism come into play ? external influences ?

Journeyman Geek

@Tanner: yeah, I was curious about that

Little Child

@Tanner high school level I would say cause

in my country a Diploma equals High School Grad somehow :/

Journeyman Geek

16:21

well, there's a set of references, but my lecturers would have me skinned if I didn't use in text citations

ahh

Little Child

so judge it by that standard

Tanner

@LittleChild What country?

Journeyman Geek

then not too bad. Assumed uni level ;p

@Tanner: india

Tanner

Ah

Wow.

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek Vancouver style of referencing ?

Sathya

16:21

@LittleChild generally no

Tanner

@JourneymanGeek Exactly. I was surprised in the break of typical rules.

Little Child

I know it is a strange notion but yeah thats how it rolls here

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: harvard or chicargo

but its something they hit you with when you go to uni

Little Child

I know...

Tanner

Yeah. MLA formatting and whatnot... At least in the USA.

Journeyman Geek

16:22

@Tanner: they also kept making us write essays in highschool

Tanner

/took English 101 four times ^_^

Journeyman Geek

@Tanner: I think the business side of my school SOMETIMES likes MLA

Tanner

I mostly ran in to MLA and APA.

Journeyman Geek

I just let word handle that ;p

Tanner

Well, if it was APA I was failing the paper so... I actually never passed a research paper. =S

Journeyman Geek

16:23

lol

I write at least one a term

and keep trying to teach people to cheat at referencing ;p

(use MS word + google books + don't read the whole book)

Little Child

@Sathya well, mostly I see teachers recommending students even for campus interviews.

@JourneymanGeek rotfl

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: well, obviously you need to make a good impression

Sathya

brb

Journeyman Geek

even tho my grades arn't great, I try to give an impression I know what I'm doing

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek when was the last time you were here. you told me you are a PIO

Tanner

16:24

@LittleChild That's how I got my job :P

Journeyman Geek

last month, brother got married ;p

Little Child

@JourneymanGeekcmy my grades need to get high but I know what I am talking

Tanner

@JourneymanGeek I had a 2.0 (C) for my AA, and a 4.0 for my ATS...

Journeyman Geek

@Tanner: been getting credits and passes

so GPA is just over 2 I think

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek have you studied here ?

Journeyman Geek

16:25

nope

cousins have

Little Child

so.. you dont know the dynamics :/ I guess

Journeyman Geek

Indian system is so.. grindy

Little Child

@Tanner I believe in making my own success, no affiliations, no recommendations

Journeyman Geek

also my folk are in tamil nadu, and they're bramin, so.. god it sucks.

Tanner

@LittleChild Stop believing that now.

Journeyman Geek

16:26

hates affirmative action when it helps no one

Little Child

@Tanner please tell me why? :)

Journeyman Geek

@Tanner: technically making good contacts is part of that

@LittleChild: In general, you are going to need to be a bit of a political animal IRL

unless you're EXTREMELY gifted.

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek for whom was that intended?

Tanner

It's all about affiliations and recommendations. Technical knowledge is easy. Getting someone to vouch for you is hard. At least in my experience...

5

Little Child

hates affirmative action when it helps no one

Journeyman Geek

16:27

I'd say make use of EVERY chance you got

Tanner

^

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: in general

Tanner

Every thing I do, I aim to get at least one awesome reference out of someone there. So far it has served me very well.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, if my dad was like 'friend of mine needs a computer guy'

I'd go for it

then learn the hell out of what there is to learn, and find a better job on my own

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek that is not the picture I had in my head about recommendations

Journeyman Geek

16:29

(pity that's not the case. In which case... ;p)

@LittleChild: worst case scenario ;p

Oliver Salzburg

tech.slashdot.org/story/13/02/26/1455237/…

Journeyman Geek

oh those guys

Oliver Salzburg

My amount of shock was decreasing while reading the article :P

Journeyman Geek

they make a pretty neat TFA product

oh wait ;p

Little Child

They do like *here, I am recommending this person because [lot of positive points go here, lot of which are false] *

Oliver Salzburg

16:31

Mentioning TFA after I posted a Slashdot article is deeply confusing :D

HackToHell

@OliverSalzburg scary ! o0

Journeyman Geek

lol

@LittleChild: and?

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek and nobody really questions what is being said

added to that, I am an Introvert

Journeyman Geek

lol

Little Child

I only blabber with you guys... not in real world :/ ironically

Journeyman Geek

16:32

would you believe I was stuck at home for 2 years cause I couldn't deal being around people? ;p

I got better

Can't let introvertedness get in the way of, well, awesome.

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek I can believe that, nothing far-fetched

solitude helps you get better

Journeyman Geek

nope

Little Child

why

Journeyman Geek

finding a reason to not be stuck at home got me better.

that and here

cause I ended up getting slightly more confident in my skills

Little Child

being online not equals being out of home

Oliver Salzburg

16:34

@LittleChild The internet is part of the real world :P

Little Child

I do go out -_- I enjoy in my own way

Journeyman Geek

oh, I realised I was good at computers

went back to school

I mean, I need to get a social life again, but I do alright

Little Child

@OliverSalzburg Nobody knows if I am a cat

►

Oliver Salzburg

:D

Little Child

Power of Introverts by Susan Cain

HackToHell

16:35

@JourneymanGeek why ?

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: on one side, quota. On the other, pressure to perform

@LittleChild: well, its useful to be able to switch it on and off

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek quota ?

HackToHell

@LittleChild You will at some point realize that you need to be social, I did and I have changed !

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: yeah, for the 'backward classes'

HackToHell

lol

indian educational system is truly f'ed

Little Child

16:37

@JourneymanGeek that non-sense made it to Britain, too ?

Journeyman Geek

No offence, but if you're smart, it shouldn't matter. If you're poor, you should get a school place without lining someone's pocket

lol, talking about india

Little Child

@HackToHell YOU DONT SAY ?

HackToHell

You have to mem and vomit shit to get marks :/

sucks

Journeyman Geek

I mean, valluvar said (and this translates badly) No matter where you were born, and who you are, people will welcome the educated.

Little Child

@HackToHell you are from India too ?

Journeyman Geek

16:38

@HackToHell: trick is really, to use those skills intelligently ;p

HackToHell

ya from tamil nadu ;p

@JourneymanGeek like ? ;p

Journeyman Geek

If you guys can memorise and vomit, AND think, its an advantage over people like me who need to use external memory ;p

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek I am not against financial incentives for the poor and the backward, I am against quota

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: PRECISELY

allquixotic

@LittleChild Of course it did, you insensitive clod!

HackToHell

16:40

I'm too, causes stupid SC corrupting every office

Journeyman Geek

lol

Honestly, I don't blame them either

its the politicans making use of people that's the main issue to me

Little Child

PRECISELY

HackToHell

India sucks cause of that :( :(

Journeyman Geek

but indian politics is just...

HackToHell

laments about internet speed

Journeyman Geek

16:41

lol

@HackToHell: my dad's finally given up on the reliance ;p

probably will be getting a grey market prepaid card next time we go to india

Little Child

@JourneymanGeek Reliance telecom ?

allquixotic

"grey market"? :D

HackToHell

lol, reliance the biggest private scammers ;p

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: yeah, we have a cdma dongle thats fairly legendary

@allquixotic: yeah, basically pick one up from a shop in singapore who probably got it off some indian worker ;p

user88311

sweet mother I think it's going to take me longer to get the psu out of my computer then it took the new one to get here

HackToHell

16:43

@JourneymanGeek Even BSNL is OK compared to them

Journeyman Geek

lol

HackToHell

@user88311 Weird case ?

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: apparently airtel is what I need to go for

HackToHell

They have 4g in some cities

user88311

No, clibs on the cables refuse to move so I can't get them to release

clips*

Journeyman Geek

16:43

lol

HackToHell

but it's really overpriced

allquixotic

use more force

Journeyman Geek

that would be only on the mobo power and video card power

user88311

Trying, hold on

Journeyman Geek

mobo power CAN be a pain

allquixotic

16:44

Use more force, user!

user88311

24 pin is driving me up the wall

Journeyman Geek

@LittleChild: which part of india are you from?

HackToHell

Do not break your mobo man

Little Child

Mumbai

allquixotic

@user88311 can I call you "88"?

Journeyman Geek

16:45

(in case @aarthi turns up and we break into badly transliterated tamil again)

user88311

why

HackToHell

@LittleChild City of Awesomeness

Journeyman Geek

I have a cousin there ;p

allquixotic

I wish I could tell what language my coworkers speak :(

it's either Tamil, Telugu, Gujarati or Hindi

Journeyman Geek

I should probably find a excuse to visit at some point ;p

lol

@allquixotic: oh geeze. it could be the other 18 major languages

user88311

16:46

2 hands and I still can't get the 24 pin out

Journeyman Geek

Tamil and malayalam sound similar to the untrained ear

HackToHell

@user88311 gently pull it out, rock it out

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek is Malayalam spoken a lot in India too?

HackToHell

In a state alone

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: probably as much as tamil

user88311

16:47

Wash going say, psuh, right

Journeyman Geek

tamil just has the diaspora in its favour

user88311

push*

HackToHell

HIndi and English are the major languages here

allquixotic

I know that we have several Indians who can't speak to one another in any language but English, so at least some of them didn't grow up learning Hindi (the multi-cultural language, yea?)

Journeyman Geek

lol

no

I don't speak hindi, nor do a lot of my cousins

HackToHell

16:48

I have learnt Hindi for 5 yrs, can't understand or speak it ;p

Journeyman Geek

one can't read tamil, so we tease him ;p

user88311

Stll not working

Going to get gloves to wear, easier on hands

allquixotic

would I be able to learn Tamil through something like Rosetta Stone?

Journeyman Geek

well, maybe ;p

I have no idea, I learnt it the old fashioned way

allquixotic

like 75% of my coworkers speak some unidentified language to one another so if I can learn that one it will help me at least understand what they are saying behind my back lol

I know the one lady from Gujarat and the one guy from Delhi have VERY different accents and mannerisms from the rest

so that pretty much rules out that the rest are speaking Gujarati or whatever's spoken prominently in Delhi

I guess I'll see if Rosetta Stone or something similar has Tamil and just start learning it and see if I can recognize it when they speak it

Bob

16:53

►

allquixotic

I'm good with foreign languages

Bob

English is hard enough to understand :P

Journeyman Geek

If its delihi, chances are its hindi

allquixotic

I know a lot of Spanish, some French, some Japanese, some Russian

Journeyman Geek

I know some french

allquixotic

16:54

@JourneymanGeek okay then nobody here speaks Hindi except the guy from Delhi :P that leaves a lot of options still, though

everybody always speaks to the guy from Delhi in English, yet they very regularly speak to everyone else in <unknown language>

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

how do they run national news in India O_O in English?

or in 18 separate languages >_>

user88311

2 Hands, gloves, knee on the tower, the tower is still moving but the cable isn't

allquixotic

@user88311 do you have a replacement for the cable?

user88311

Only the one on the new psu

allquixotic

17:00

@user88311 you could cut into the clip with scissors or a knife to try and force it open

user88311

yeah no

allquixotic

@user88311 does the cable that's stuck look like this?

user88311

pfffff vicegrip time

and yes

allquixotic

you do realize there's a clip on that plug that you have to push on to get it to release a lever so that you can pull it out, right?

user88311

I am

allquixotic

17:04

never had one of those get stuck before

user88311

The main problem is holding it and pulling at same time I.E. why im getting vicegrips

allquixotic

pliers sound like they would work well

user88311

The main problem is holding it and pulling at same time I.E. why im getting vicegrips

And now that I have them, let's see if this works

HackToHell

@allquixotic National newspapers are in English while there are a lot of regional papers

user88311

got it

got to be kidding me

Just discovered the psu in my system is 20 pin with 4 pin aux

fits none the less

I'f i'd know this I could have saved a week and 20 bucks shipping

SHE LIVES!

or not

@Hennes just in time, new psu in, no inte volt in fan, starts up fine, you would think, but Normally I'd get a beep followed by the screen turning on, no beep, no screen

Hennes

17:20

20+4 is the same as 24. I think I said that weeks ago

user88311

And I can't power off, and when turn power bar off then back on, starts up by self

Yeah I know

Hennes

one sec. Not read much yet. Powered on the PC and went to feed the cat

user88311

But I thought the one in my system was just a 24 not 20+4, so yeah that ones on me

ah

Hennes

My previous 24 pins connector was a 20+4 where I could 'break' the 4 from the 20 if needed

user88311

funny thing

This one is a 24 with a 4 aux

Exact same model though

None the less everything works fine, with the exception of no start up

Hennes

17:28

The motherboard has a power_good line. * ponder *

Tanner

I has a shopping question. :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Tanner OUT! :D

Tanner

hahaha

Sathya

@LittleChild campus placement is generally like random draw, if you ask me

Tanner

Does a consumer grade voip solution exist? Trying to get a phone line over wifi for a fax machine =S

Hennes

17:29

Fax? Like the ancient Egyptians used when they build the pyramids?

user88311

has power good yes

Tanner

@Hennes Yes >_<

(So that's how they did it...)

user88311

the second gnd on the left side (side of the clip) there is none on both psu's

Oliver Salzburg

@Tanner I really have no clue but you'll probably want to look at Asterisk asterisk.org

Hennes

1) Really no idea. Sorry.
2) Fax modem / faxing per email/software is how it is maintained these days

user88311

17:30

@Hennes

Oliver Salzburg

Even though I use VoIP at home, and I've set it all up, I don't have a clue...

It's like computering in general, you have a socket and a plug, if they match, it's probably right

Tanner

Think I could fix that up in to a legit question or is that too much shopping?

user88311

Anybody got any ideas on this, new psu, plug it in, turn power bar on, start it up, everything clicks in fine, doesn't finish getting to boot and no screen, power button wont work, power bar off, wait 10 seconds, power bar on, system autos on

Hennes

How can we measure is power good is triggered?

Oliver Salzburg

@Tanner Just don't ask it like a shopping question :P Ask "How do you get a fax line from A to B wirelessly?"

Hennes

17:33

If it is not that would explain why the motherboard does not start

Tanner

@OliverSalzburg Alrighty lol thanks

Oliver Salzburg

@Tanner And make sure to stay on-topic ;D

Tanner

Hmmm... yeah

I'll write it and ping you :P

Oliver Salzburg

Sure :)

Hennes

Voice and fax have different qualities though. I am not sure a solution meant for voice will work with the fax protocol. It might be lossy (like JPEG)

Tanner

17:34

Ohhhh

So the fax part is going to be important. Crap...

Hennes

Aye.

Tanner

Incoming efax solutions

Hennes

I do not say it is not going to work, but I do say pay attention to it

Tanner

Gotcha

Hennes

If all fails: Fax modem and a long serial line

user88311

17:36

@Hennes How to tell if power good is triggered

Hennes

Or real fax -> computer -> serial line -> fax_modem. (kludge)

real fax -> computer can be replaced with 'scanner'

@user8831: Not sure , that is why I was reading specs

user88311

oh, k

Stuck a live disc in cd drive see uf it reads, seems to be, no audi or visual still

dvd drive*

if*

I hate this netbook

audio*

Hennes

I guess that the PSU is supplying power. But the motherboard will wait until the PSU not only is providing power, but also until it guarantees that the power is good.

Oliver Salzburg

@user88311 You can edit your messages

Hennes

But information on that is confusing

user88311

17:40

Yeah oliver I know, attempting to with the netbook and touch bad usually ends up worse

Hennes

Left picture: 'PWK_OK' and 'Not connected'
Right picture: `Power_Good` and `-5 volts`

user88311

old one, power ok, new one, power good

Hennes

I am going to leave you hanging for a bit while I make some food

user88311

Right I'll type during that

Tanner

> I have a fax machine in a location that is accessible only through nearby WiFi. I'm in an unusual situation where it must be an ancient fax machine and not a nifty eFax solution (much to my chagrin.) Is there any way I can get an analog phone line over WiFi to this machine?

@OliverSalzburg Kind of short but... passable?

mmm

that last bit doesn't really work

user88311

17:46

@Hennes on the new one it has no connection next to PWR_GOOD unlike the diagram

Tanner

Is there any way I can get a phone line over WiFi to this machine?

The last step in this solution would have to result in an analog phone line to the fax machine. This is where I'm stuck. Does a consumer grade solution for this problem exist?

screw you too markdown...

/vomits after tagging a question with fax

user88311

@Hennes Left the power bar off for a few mins, now it wont even power on

Oliver Salzburg

@Tanner A small paragraph a la "I have tried to get it to work using XYZ, but no dice!" is always nice ;P

Tanner

Ah, thanks

Oliver Salzburg

How does one duplicate a tab in Firefox?

I see, Ctrl+Drag

Designing a multiple choice test about browse usage when the user can chose answers that apply to almost any browser is fun!

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