Root Access

5:01 PM

@Hennes I don't think there is one, short of dir /s /b piped through findstr.

Unless you want to go PowerShell, in which case you have a wealth of options available, starting with Get-ChildItem -Filter

Hennes

I think we would need powershell. Or 3rd party utils.

But I am a fan from using OS commands when they make sense.

That Brazilian Guy

Bob

I'll just go cry in a corner now.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Poor fox... What happened?

Bob

2 mins ago, by That Brazilian Guy

That Brazilian Guy

5:12 PM

...at work .____.

At home I get 5. Old copper lines make it impossible to upgrade.

Bob

...my work connection is identical to my home connection, except shared between 20+ people.

That Brazilian Guy

Until last year, my (secondary) workplace connection was a 2mbps one, shared between 200+ people

(plus a few other hundred that figured out the wifi password that is never changed)

allquixotic

at work, on the customer side, I get about half a gigabit during off-peak hours, and at least 100 Mbps during peak hours (symmetrical).

on the company side, I get about 8 Mbps down, 4 Mbps up during off-peak hours, and about 7 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up during peak hours.

at home I get about 12/5 during peak hours and 25/15 during off-peak

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic The only thing that prevents me from developing a jealousy death wish against you is the fact I already have one. [/jk]

PS: What do you mean by customer side / company side?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy my desk has a laptop owned by my company, with a blue ethernet cable that goes to one jack; and a desktop owned by The Customer, with a red ethernet cable that goes to another jack. They go to separately routed networks. MAC address filtering and 802.1x authentication prevent accidental switching of the cables.

The Customer's network goes through some high-end microwave tower on the roof to the customer's HQ.

the company's network is an old SONET T3 or something like that, provided by one of the "Ma Bell" telecoms in the US (I think Verizon or AT&T).

That Brazilian Guy

5:18 PM

Oh, and you get 500mbps to the whole internet or just customer-related sites/IPs?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy the 500 Mbps off-peak on The Customer side is to the public Internet. When the network isn't congested, I can pull down nearly "line speed" (basically, maximum possible throughput = 1 Gbps, minus overhead due to routing, latency, switching, etc., which bumps it down to about 800 Mbps) on the LAN.

the Internet gateway is significantly slower and higher latency than the LAN connections, but it's still damn fast

That Brazilian Guy

I'd get almost physically frustrated having near-gigabit while restricted to work ettiquete

allquixotic

From a typical U.S. mirror of an open source download like Eclipse, at ~150 MB of data to download, I can pull it from an uncongested mirror in under 10 seconds.

Our LAN also serves some very large software installs that we have to put on a computer when we get a "clean" image, to do our testing work, etc. One of those is over 600 MB in an .exe. It downloads in about 15 seconds.

That Brazilian Guy

Oh, the download speed I get from local mirrors on the same backbone is only limited by my ehternet card.

We're on a special purpose network of its own that connect with the internet somewhere

allquixotic

well The Customer's network is an enormous, sprawling thing, with huge industrial-grade infrastructure

it supports many thousands of users

That Brazilian Guy

5:23 PM

It's ~~funny~~ annoying as hell when somedays "common" sites slow to a crawl and sites from other organizations load blazing fast

Say @allquixotic do you speak iptables?

(or anyone else here for that matter)

allquixotic

Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination

DragonLord

@Bob, just cycled ink in and out of my Pelikans.

Just pushed ink out of the pens back into the bottle and filled them again.

They seem to be writing a bit smoother now.

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic If I perform iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -d $IP --dport $ALTPORT -j REDIRECT --to-port $PORT and then iptables -L (or -S) it shows an empty list, despite the prerouting working fine.

Why?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy lmgtfy.com/?q=iptables+list+prerouting --> first hit --> nblug.org/pipermail/talk/2008-April/012427.html -->

> hi Bob,

you have to explicly say which table you want to display.

so if i'm examining the nat table then the command to show a PREROUTING
chain would be:

alembic-rtr:/etc/rc2.d# iptables -t nat -L
Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source destination
DNAT tcp -- anywhere dev.csbuilders.net multiport dports ssh,www,https,ftp to:10.42.5.3

That Brazilian Guy

5:38 PM

ahh

> Since there are multiple tables, you actually need to do:
iptables iptables -nL -v --line-numbers -t filter
iptables iptables -nL -v --line-numbers -t nat
iptables iptables -nL -v --line-numbers -t mangle
iptables iptables -nL -v --line-numbers -t raw

The list of tables seems to vary with new releases of iptables. Too bad you can't say "--all-tables" or something.

Yeah, that would be too complex to implement, I guess [/s]

Bob

@DragonLord I find it helps after a period of inactivity. Probably because the ink has dried in the feed.

Ben Richards

My coworker got bubble wrap shipped to him from Amazon. They packed it with air bags. -.-

Bob

@BenRichards I swear we had this exact same conversation last week.

Ben Richards

@Bob Maybe with someone else. Wasn't me. :P

Bob

May 2 at 15:01, by Hennes

I can understand doing things on auto pilot, but bubblewrapping bubblewrap seems excessive

Ben Richards

5:53 PM

lol

Bob

Still, as I said last time, they do it for a good reason.

May 2 at 15:03, by Bob

Amazing Amazon Box

►

The padding stops the contents from shifting around.

Shifting contents leads to boxes rolling like the one in that video.

Ben Richards

It's just air though. It literally is as heavy as an empty box :P

Bob

The padding isn't intended to protect the contents. You'll notice they only ever pad on one side.

Ben Richards

I like that video though :P

Bob

@BenRichards Bubble wrap has a sizeable amount of plastic. Enough to roll around and cause the entire box to roll.

Ben Richards

5:54 PM

Oh I know. :P

DragonLord

@Psycogeek Fan-cooling the compressor does seem to make a difference. The compressor runs quieter as the lower temperature means lower pressure. Lower pressure reduces compressor motor load, decreasing power consumption.

Ben Richards

Hah

Literally a box of air.

DragonLord

Compressor cycles are shorter, too, indicating greater cooling effectiveness.

That Brazilian Guy

6:07 PM

I've... I've seen the light and it's so beautiful github.com/monkeysuffrage/pgbrowser

No more writing cURL parameters by hand

Ok, I have yet to, well, actually test it

But it can't be worse than what I already wrote. Code produced by banging the forehead on the keyboard is better than what I write.

allquixotic

code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=95294

Ben Richards

6:36 PM

Still waiting on Fitbit to get call/text/email notifications to work on the Surge with Windows Phone. :|

I wonder what's keeping up their team on that.

Sometimes I wish I could ask the devs directly. :P

allquixotic

I kinda wish I could drive up to Google HQ and yell out with a megaphone, "FIX THE BLUETOOTH AUDIO DROPOUT ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!"

I wonder how long until egregious digital problems lead to physical protesting

techies with signs saying "SAVE OUR BATTERY LIFE"

Ben Richards

XD

I'm sure it's possible to find the desk phone numbers of some of the individuals on the dev team. I've mused about determining what they are and perhaps just giving a call. :P

Not gonna, though. Too lazy, and I'm sure I'd not get anything more than a confused and annoyed employee on the other line :P

allquixotic

@BenRichards Email might work, though. Decent employees are probably good at reading and processing email.

Ben Richards

I have a suspicion though. The API is new, undocumented (publically), and few non-Microsoft companies have implemented it. So the learning curve most likely on Windows Phone for those features is larger than it is for Android or iPhone, by comparison, and there's less StackOverflow-esque help online.

@allquixotic I'm not going to bother. Too lazy :P

allquixotic

I've never owned a smartphone that had zero annoying bugs. Most smartphones I've owned have had quite a few. I'm sure iPhone users are no better off in the general case. I'm soon going to start determining which phone make/model to go with, based on how adaptable and reachable their support is, in terms of getting your issues addressed.

Ben Richards

6:50 PM

@allquixotic Good point. I went with Windows Phone because 1) It's different than Android/iPhone and I like being contrarian, 2) I like the minimalist aesthetic, and have for decades, 3) I like platform integration with Windows PCs and Xbox. And since Nokia went Windows Phone, I have two more reasons: 4) Camera quality on Nokia (now Lumia) phones is always excellent, 5) I'm a fanboy of Nokia hardware. Microsoft got their team so I'm staying with them.

First WP device was an LG. Had the crappiest camera I've had on a cellphone, and was only ok.

Blurry all the time, and the flash was useless because it washed everything out in an ugly blue tone.

allquixotic

I moved from Samsung Windows Mobile devices (WM5/WM6/WM6.5) with 3G (EvDO) to Android as soon as the Motorola Droid 2 came out, and haven't looked back. I can't abide the hilariously inferior specs on every Windows phone compared to Android (except for the camera...) and the severe dearth of apps that I use. If not for those issues, I'd probably give it another look, especially since you can apparently sideload apps.

Mokubai

@allquixotic Good luck with your new abacus then.

allquixotic

As much as I want to go with iPhone so I can just completely forget about my bluetooth problem and live in musical bliss, I definitely can't abide a platform where I can't just load up an app and run it without it being scrutinized and approved by a large corporation.

Mokubai

I can't abide a corporation who tells me how I can use my device that I paid for.

allquixotic

So iOS has an absolute deal-breaker. Android has a couple persistent bugs across all current Android smartphones that piss me the fuck off, but the sideloading is great, and app availability is great. Windows Phone manufacturers seem to think it's funny to give users sizes like 8-16GB of NAND and 1800 mAh of battery and 720p screens and 1 GB of RAM, and half the apps I use aren't available.

Of all those worlds, the Note 4, flawed as it is, is the least bad.

Mokubai

7:03 PM

Even without rooting your phone you can still massively customise an Android phone to your personal taste. Something which is largely impossible with WinMo and JobsOS

allquixotic

yup

Mokubai

@allquixotic I've got the Note3, how'd you like the 4?

allquixotic

I thought Windows Phone allowed sideloading though

Mokubai

The UI is still largely un-customisable.. I thought.

allquixotic

@Mokubai everything about the Note 4 is great, except for the fact that it runs an Android version greater than or equal to 4.4; EVERY SINGLE current-generation Android phone available on my carrier (Verizon) has the exact same problem with Bluetooth (Android issue 95294).

it's not the version number of the OS that's the problem, but rather, the fact that it's being at that version number entails, necessarily, that its bluetooth audio will be absolutely fucking broken.

Mokubai

7:05 PM

@allquixotic So should I be glad that they haven't managed to release Lollipop for the unlocked Note3? (even though they've managed to release it to every other version)

DragonLord

code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=95294

allquixotic

@Mokubai well, both Kitkat and Lollipop have the Bluetooth audio bug

Mokubai

I like my bluetooth headset for my walk into work

allquixotic

> comment #2: Not limited to Samsung, exactly same issue with LG G3 lollipop 5.0.

lol

Mokubai

I've heard occasional glitches that seem related to me walking near Wifi networks, but not full on dropouts...

allquixotic

7:06 PM

here is a list of devices I've experienced it on:
Razr Maxx HD 4.4
Motorola Droid Maxx 4.4, 4.4.2, and 4.4.4
Galaxy S5, 4.4.4 and 5.0.1
Note 4, 4.4.4 and 5.0.1

@Mokubai the "dropouts" last for a tiny fraction of a second

Mokubai

@allquixotic I probably do get that occasionally then, maybe once every 2-3 songs

allquixotic

I can't tolerate that at all. It's so damn distracting!

Mokubai

Could have sworn I got it on my Note (no digit) as well.

allquixotic

nah, it was fine on Jellybean and earlier

Mokubai

and that had 4.0.2 iirs

allquixotic

7:08 PM

unless you had some other unrelated problem, like a legit problem with the BT stack

the problem is the CPU is being set to such a low frequency that it can't even keep up with decoding the audio and encoding the BT packets to ship them to your device

Mokubai

@allquixotic The headset I had back then could have been a bit crap

allquixotic

if you force the screen on, it's perfect

but that's like saying "your car runs fine; just floor it constantly to keep it from stalling out"

Mokubai

@allquixotic You mean that's not normal?

My car seems fine if I do that ;)

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Specs is a number game. In actuality, Windows Phone has always had superior performance than Android with equal spec lists, and so it gets away with using lower end hardware than Android phones.

@allquixotic It does. You just have to developer unlock the phone, which you can do for free with official tools.

@Mokubai To be honest, I like to tweak (I do so constantly on my PCs), but that's partly why I like Windows Phone. It's more customizable than iPhone, but not to the extent that I can never feel satisfied. I can leave it with a config I'm happy with for a very long period of time without feeling the need to tweak things constantly.

Mokubai

@BenRichards I actually do like Windows Phone, and truly want to like the OS better than I do. Its nicely minimal and seens pretty slick, but I like what I get from Android. Most of the time I leave it stock, but what I want to change I can without too much hassle.

Ben Richards

7:26 PM

@Mokubai That's fine. I also feel like few people are going to be switching unless they're truly unhappy with what they have, since changing to a different ecosystem is such a disruption, given how extensively our phones are integrated into our lives these days.

Mokubai

@BenRichards That's not really that difficult though, Win Mo was a platform designed by one company using that own companys tools with apps that are targetted at that platform in a way that was meant to work that way to begin with. Android is (was / still is) a glorified kludged Linux machine running a custom UI on a shitty Java based mini-OS.

I like Android, as I mentioned, but I like WinPho for the fact that it is system that has a real identity rather than the hack and slash many faced Android-beast.

Android can't make up it's mind how it wants to look and feel and all of the different manufacturers don't help things in the slightest.

Ben Richards

7:42 PM

@Mokubai I can see that. What Android is now is actually what Windows Mobile was 6.5 and before... in fact many of the UIs that mfgrs use on Android (like TouchWiz) originated on Windows Mobile devices. Windows Phone 7 and on was a complete departure to the open season aspect of Windows Mobile.

That Windows Phone these days has more of a defined identity than Android does is actually something that I attribute to Microsoft learning from their experience from back when it did more or less what Android is doing now.

Stack Exchange

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Mokubai

@BenRichards I remember those kludgy UIs on my WinMo6.5 phone. Slow as molasses but kinda pretty if you didn't step to far off the reservation of what the manufacturer though you should be using. Stock WinMo was clunky and ugly and it was jarring to see a nice UI then be "Oh my god the settings apps here are f*ing ugly!"

Ben Richards

@Mokubai I never used Windows Mobile except for Windows PocketPC 2002 (iirc) on my old HP iPaq.

Mokubai

It rings kinda true that Android is there at the moment, with so many generations of UI clashing on one device.

Ben Richards

I think Microsoft wanted to take a more walled garden approach to get some sort of quality standard and consistency that they can enforce, but leave it open enough that developers could do interesting things without all the restrictions they faced in iOS.

Mokubai

7:56 PM

@BenRichards I had an Axim X51v (WinMo 5?), a Touch Dual (WinMo 5.5?) and a TouchPro2 (WinMo 6 / 6.5 with a HTC skin) before my first android phone.

Ben Richards

Oh, and the security thing, too. With some certification process and control over the API and deep-level access to the OS and hardware, it can mitigate some of the threats you see on x86 Windows and on Android.

Mokubai

Aye, it's finding that balance between what you want as a supplier and what your customer wants to be able to do that is the real trick.

Ben Richards

Yep. Microsoft erred on the more restricted end with WP7, but over time they've been opening up APIs more and more, iteratively. They're being very careful about that. Means they might lag a bit behind Android, and of course iOS had a head start, but I think they're trying to find it.

I wonder how iOS will be going forward without Jobs on the helm, though. There's some major departures that happened that I don't think would've been possible before Jobs passed. I wonder if they'll open up more, now, too.

allquixotic

@BenRichards except that media uses a fixed amount of storage irrespective of which device it's on, and you can't "cheat" storage, especially if you're occasionally in areas that get horrible or no 4G (as I am all day at work) -- having media cached or stored on my device is a key factor for me, and I don't see many Windows Mobile (OR ANDROID, for that matter) phones with a microSD slot anymore.

in fact, if the Note 5 lacks a microSD slot like I'm worried it will, I will be unable to upgrade to the direct successor of my current device!

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yeah, I don't know what that's all about. But I usually have WiFi or 4G/LTE coverage wherever I am so I don't really encounter that issue so much.

paradroid

8:04 PM

@JourneymanGeek How did you make the animated gif here? superuser.com/a/819760/8972

Ben Richards

If I really want to use my own music, I have a USB drive and can plug it into my tablet or car, one of which I have most of the time.

My phone supports downloading maps so I just use my phone storage for that, apps, and files I generate from taking photos or videos on my phone :P

allquixotic

Well, if one of the manufacturers puts in a device-specific fix to solve the bluetooth problem, or if Android upstream fixes it for good, I don't think I'll have much left to complain about with respect to Android.

one bug, no matter how egregious, is not going to turn me away from a platform that easily, especially when users are complaining, loudly, about it every day; they'll have to acknowledge it at some point.

I just hope it's this year and not 2020 -_-

Mokubai

@paradroid A tool called LiceCAP, I've actually used it myself on Journeys recommendation.

paradroid

@BenRichards Yeah, I have had iOS and Android devices, and can't see why Windows Phone isn't much more popular. I'm on my third Windows Phone.

@Mokubai Cool, thanks.

Ben Richards

@paradroid I blame Android and iPhone's momentum, and that Microsoft has been fighting for a more positive image following Vista and their antitrust days.

Also, Android phones can be gotten for super cheap.

paradroid

8:12 PM

@BenRichards Yeah, and IE. Most people I know have Macbooks now.

Ben Richards

Windows Phone only recently is getting into that space.

@paradroid I don't think most people complain about IE on Windows Phone quite so much, but just have general Microsoftophobia.

paradroid

Most people I know also have high-end Android phones and iPhones.

Ben Richards

But yeah, IE also didn't get much love.

I see a more even split between Android and iPhone, but Windows Phone seems to be pulling up pretty close these days, around here anyway.

I definitely am spotting them in the wild and in my friends' hands more often.

paradroid

Most Windows laptops are badly made and look rubbish as well.

Ben Richards

It's getting better though. :) The Surface Pro line was a nice shot in the arm for the third parties.

paradroid

8:14 PM

But I much prefer ThinkPads to Macbooks

Ben Richards

Recently got an MSI gaming laptop and it feels super premium. Though I think I closed it a little hard once and the brushed aluminum exterior dented slightly under one of the rubber bumpers on the lid.

Not too noticeable though, but it makes me sad :/

paradroid

I suppose I have a bias against Apple as I used to work on Powermac G4s and MacOS 9, as an architect, and I was not a fan.

Crashed a lot

Ben Richards

I actually loved them. Always had fun with Macs. But it is true that when they crashed, they crashed HARD.

allquixotic

@BenRichards It's ironic, and a nice form of poetic justice, that Microsoft, which lived and died by the sheer momentum of its platform for many years (who actually liked Windows 95's constant crashing?), is being subjected to the same momentum forces that buoyed its own golden years.

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Yeah it is, and I like it, because it is good for consumers :)

allquixotic

8:19 PM

Now that they no longer have nearly as much momentum, and the market where they do have momentum is not extremely profitable anymore, they're having to play the same "clawing up from the depths" game that GNU/Linux had to play on the desktop for 2 decades.

Aaaand so far they're about as successful at that (financially speaking) as GNU/Linux on the desktop ;p

paradroid

@allquixotic It's also quite ironic that Android is inefficient and virus-prone, compared to Windows Phone.

allquixotic

@paradroid Openness and the ability to shoot yourself in the foot go hand-in-hand. I'd choose a platform that lets me sideload viruses if I so choose, over a walled garden, anyday. That's actually one thing I like about Windows on the desktop (though, desktop OSes are pretty much universally in that camp because of tradition anyway.)

I don't use walled garden platforms. Period. End of story.

6

However, I heard from Ben here that you can sideload stuff onto Windows Phone, so then it logically has the same capability to become "infected with viruses" (that you, Dumb User, choose to install) as Android.

Also, virii make it occasionally through the censors even at Apple and wind up on the App Store.

DragonLord

I don't want an iOS device for precisely this reason.

allquixotic

It happens.

DragonLord

I hate closed platforms.

paradroid

8:22 PM

Yeah, you can sideload your own apps easily.

allquixotic

The solution to viruses is to not be a stupid user, and only download trustworthy programs.

3

Don't give it an execution context and it can't touch you, unless there's a gaping vulnerability (of which, let's be frank, EVERY platform has, and will continue to have once in a blue moon).

Unless Microsoft has started certifying Windows Phone with Common Criteria EAL7, designed tested and validated using true formal methods, and mathematically proving the correct operation of every instruction that executes on every integrated circuit within the entire SoC and all accessory parts, they're just as vulnerable as the rest to "once in a while" vulns.

However, it's a testament to Android's security awareness that no one has found a way to root any of the recent flagship phones: S5, Note 4, even older phones like the Droid Maxx.

Is it impossible? Likely not! Is it easy? No, it no longer is.

Not even "medium difficulty". It's downright hard to find a vuln now.

DragonLord

cnet.com/news/rise-of-the-internet-police

Internet harassment and how people are combating it.

allquixotic

@DragonLord huge can of worms ;p

even bigger than the can of worms of tech we've been talking about ;p

Ben Richards

@allquixotic It's really the locked down API and background processes on Windows Phone that prevent viruses from really proliferating. Anything that needs access to things like the location API, your pictures, or whatever, trigger a prompt asking for permission the first time. Even if it's something as simple as the app providing a toggle button to enable/disable the GPS on your phone. Also, apps are limited to (basically) cron-style jobs for background tasks.

allquixotic

@BenRichards You know about the Verizon HTC One (M8) for Windows? WP 8.1 on the same hardware as the Android HTC One M8. You know, I would kill for a Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 for Windows. microSD card = check. Fingerprint reader = check. Digitizer = check. Great hardware. Just needs an OS that will give the CPU enough oomph to not make Bluetooth drop out. :P

Ben Richards

8:32 PM

I think it will also automatically disable any background jobs for apps you don't use after a period of time.

@allquixotic Ah yeah. How does the HTC One M8 compare on Windows vs Android anyway?

allquixotic

@BenRichards Same hardware. But that device lacks a microSD card, fingerprint reader, and digitizer/pen -- features I've come to rely on.

I love the feel of the One m8 in my hand. I almost bought it over the Galaxy S5 when I was shopping for a new phone last year.

Ben Richards

Hah yeah, but I mean do you know anything about how one runs vs the other? :P (I'm just curious)

Ah

allquixotic

@BenRichards I don't know

Ben Richards

Ah it's ok. Just was curious, don't really care beyond that :P

allquixotic

performance is less of a concern for me; Android's apps are plenty fast for me

Ben Richards

8:34 PM

I actually (anecdotally) get far superior battery life than my Android-using friends, or even some iPhone using friends.

allquixotic

> even

Ben Richards

I don't know as certainly how the new update to Android that supposedly fixed power consumption affected it though.

allquixotic

iPhone has the worst battery life of all the "big three" platforms

that isn't saying very much

Ben Richards

Ah :P

See I never used an iPhone. Only had an iPod Mini during college :P I have a thing against iTunes on Windows.

allquixotic

battery life is highly variable on Android, because of manufacturer and device-specific firmware, devices, CPU and GPU clocks, screen size, battery size, etc.

there are some Android devices that absolutely smoke anything Windows Phone has put out, but due mostly to hardware choices like a big battery (c.f. Moto Droid Maxx)

Ben Richards

8:36 PM

I would expect that.

allquixotic

there are other Android devices with laughable battery life, comparable to an iPhone (c.f. LG g3/g4, Nexus 5)

Note 4 is somewhere in the middle

it's not the worst but it's not the best, either

Ben Richards

I get about all day battery life depending on my signal strength and how heavily I'm using it. If I'm streaming, taking calls, or browsing the web over the cell network or playing games all the time, of course it'll drain fast.

But normal usage means it'll last pretty much all day.

DragonLord

Why would you flag a question or answer that had no problems, you report a bug, by reporting it at the correct website not flagging it — Ramhound 3 mins ago

Not again, Ramhound...

Ben Richards

But at work I typically have my phone on the wireless charging pad so it tends to keep a decent charge. :P In the car it's also plugged in when used as a GPS, and it tends to about even out for discharge/charge rate when used that way.

allquixotic

I have a 10 Ah (10,000 mAh) ZeroLemon TPU case + extended battery for my Note 4 that lets me go about 1-2 weeks if I just keep it in standby, check email and phone calls, etc... or it can last me a full day if I have the screen on constantly, playing games, browsing the web over 4G

makes the phone a huge heavy brick, but it survived an accidental drop onto pavement in the parking lot

no permanent damage

Ben Richards

8:40 PM

For my 920 I had an external battery case which I used a lot during conventions and stuff, where I'm using it a lot, coverage can be spotty, and I'm away from a charging port all day. The camera case for the Lumia 1020 does the same thing, though I think I broke the USB charging port on it :(

allquixotic

yeah, I actually don't use my ZeroLemon case all the time

Ben Richards

Might get a new one. Might not. At least I can still use it for camera mounting.

allquixotic

when I'm having regular workdays, I usually don't use it

if I go to a baseball game I'll put it on

since I want to do social media during the game, and navigate over GPS, etc

Ben Richards

I've been streaming radio over wifi from my phone all day, but it's sitting on the charging pad, so yeah :P

I actually found that recently I didn't even need to turn on the battery backup at PAX East this year. So I might try going without it again.

Something something usage change. Dunno why.

allquixotic

I have my Note 4, without the extended battery, "attached" to the back of my left hand via a thin layer of moisture (hand grease/sweat/whatever) gently adhering the back of the case to my hand. The screen is constantly on, because it's the only way to force Android to set the CPU up to a higher clock rate so Bluetooth doesn't click and pop. I have my Sennheiser Momentum Wireless On-ear cans on my ears.

Ben Richards

8:42 PM

Probably wasn't checking twitter as much as the year before, I dunno :P

allquixotic

using my Lenovo ThinkPad Compact USB Keyboard with TrackPoint for keyboard/mouse purposes

currently listening to music via Spotify (cached songs so it isn't downloading) and it's connected to a USB charger

Ben Richards

DI.fm radio. I like not having to fiddle with song lists or having to pay attention. If I don't like the music, I turn it off or change the channel (doesn't happen much)

allquixotic

ah, when I want to have that sort of experience, I use Pandora, or one of Spotify's radio stations -- though, most of the time, I prefer to curate my own playlists based on my mood, or sometimes just listen to an album straight through

Ben Richards

Just picked it up and took a screenshot in my battery app...

DI.fm has different channels for different genres, so I can switch based on my mood if I want.

allquixotic

I have an extreme aversion to letting my battery get that low (20) for some reason >_> I usually frantically look for a charger if it reaches 50%

even with my 10 Ah battery pack :P

Ben Richards

8:48 PM

Blue filled graph is charge level. White line is power draw.

The app will start notifying me if it's discharging quickly, and when it gets below 20%. I can toggle battery saver mode when it gets that low (before it automatically toggles at a lower percentage, or just let it do it automatically). Actually adds several hours of life, but disables all background tasks and antenna usage.

So it basically gives it a huge standby time.

paradroid

9:22 PM

@BenRichards What phone do you have? My Lumia 930 came with a wireless battery pack that is a wireless charging plate and portable wireless charger.

And it is very easy to find a pub or cafe where you can charge through micro-USB here,

Ben Richards

@paradroid Lumia 1020. I have to use a case to enable wireless charging. My 920 had it built in, so I already had the plate.

paradroid

@BenRichards Can't believe the windows phone stackexchange site is still in beta after three years ;/

Ben Richards

@paradroid I haven't used it much, honestly. But it's a phone OS, so I'm not sure how much content you're going to really get out of it.

paradroid

@BenRichards Yeah, I hardly go there either. But the Android one is pretty busy, but I suppose it's more hackable.

Ben Richards

Yeah

paradroid

9:32 PM

I've got this really good Plantronics stereo bluetooth headset with great sound quality, but it's finally broken and I don't want to buy another one until the new model comes out. plantronics.com/uk/product/backbeat-903-plus

Ben Richards

Well, Android has a more vibrant hacking community. People aren't flashing custom ROMs for Windows Phone much, but they don't really need to anyway.

allquixotic

@BenRichards I used to root, unlock and use custom ROMs, but (1) I don't really trust them from a security perspective now, and (2) I haven't wanted or needed to in like 2 years

so that's actually a reason that I would be fine with WP

paradroid

I am hoping that the new model will have bluetooth multi-streaming, or whatever they call it, so that I can connect to my laptop and phone at the same time.

allquixotic

I just can't get over not having a microSD card

show me a WP8.1 phone with a microSD card and a Snapdragon 800 or 801, and I'll probably buy it

paradroid

Some WP phones have micro-SD. Just not the high-end ones for some reason.

allquixotic

9:34 PM

if only to become familiar with the platform so I don't have to make shit up when I'm talking about it

Ben Richards

@paradroid Probably to save costs by using less internal storage. Really just cost shifting it to people buying their own.

paradroid

Lots of room on my OneDrive anyway

Ben Richards

I think phones are relying more on cloud storage and that's why memory cards are being used less and less.

Still doesn't help if you don't have a signal though

allquixotic

@paradroid Exactly. I don't understand it. Microsoft and their partners seem to think that "if it runs Windows Phone, the target market should be people wanting to buy phones for $100-$200 retail, not $500+". That's wrong-headed, IMHO. You have to get enthusiasts - willing to shell out big bucks - to be interested in your platform before it'll gain traction. And enthusiasts want high-end!

Ben Richards

@allquixotic I'm just waiting for a proper successor to the Lumia 1020. Still waiting!

I'd shell out big bucks. I shelled out big bucks for this phone.

allquixotic

9:36 PM

I'm very interested in shelling out big bucks for a platform that'll treat me right, let me sideload stuff, give me control over my data and my privacy, do a little app development to fill in holes where there's no app and I want one, and has all the bells, whistles, sensors, etc. that make the Note 4 awesome. oh, and MicroSD

they're just not selling what I'm buying right now, hardware-wise.

Ben Richards

XD

allquixotic

I stopped bringing Moleskine notebooks and a pen to meetings with the Customer

I just inform the meeting chairperson that I'm taking notes on my phone, and whip out my Note 4

put it on silent and bring up S Note

Ben Richards

What I really want is a smartphone that's also a flip phone. I'll sacrifice some screen space for that. My old Nokia 6650 Fold was great, but it had limited performance and ran Symbian S60. I'd still use it if not for that :P

allquixotic

@BenRichards do you want a physical keyboard, too? I want one of those so bad.

Ben Richards

@allquixotic Not so much, but I wouldn't turn it down! My first Windows Phone had one. (LG Quantum)

allquixotic

9:39 PM

I'm kinda used to candy bar phones and SwiftKey for okayish on-screen typing, but my ideal phone would be about as thick as a cinderblock: flip phone, slide-out phys keyboard, huge battery

Ben Richards

It was nice, but not really always faster.

Huge battery won't happen. Best we can hope for is more efficient battery tech.

allquixotic

"Is that a smartphone in your pocket or are you happy to see me?" :)

Ben Richards

No, that's a smartphone in your pocket and you're happy to have it. :P

allquixotic

precisely

Ben Richards

One thing that I randomly discovered which was cool was that I could use keyboard controls for the game ilomilo on my LG Quantum. It wasn't advertised, but apparently the API is supported. Presumably, then, you could design a Windows Phone with keypad/keyboard controls right now.

I don't know why people aren't doing this more. (One of the reasons why I thought that Sony had a cool idea with its Playstation phone thing)

Because for most types of games, touchscreens suck.

Canadian Luke

10:12 PM

Got the iPXE boot menu working with my Windows 7, MemTest, Debian 8.0, VMWare ESXi 6, Clonezilla and Ubuntu ISOs. Just need it to work with a Windows 8 ISO now

Michael Frank

@CanadianLuke That's cool.

Canadian Luke

Took a little while... Had to use sanboot instead of boot

But I don't even use a SAN... Yet...

paradroid

10:31 PM

@CanadianLuke I made the first mention of iPXE on SE after meeting the guys who made it and getting into it :)

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A: Can I install Windows on a diskless system with iSCSI?

You can reflash your NIC's firmware with iPXE, which will allow you to boot directly from your iSCSI target. I prefer to use the chainloading method as I'm not sure if VMware ESXi will play nicely with the NICs reflashed and the dual-NICs I have are too expensive to mess around with.

I am in the process of setting up my server rack, after two years of just using laptops since I moved flat.

Canadian Luke

Sweet. The FOG Project uses it

paradroid

10:48 PM

@CanadianLuke What is that? Server deployment tool?

Canadian Luke

Free Open-source Ghost. So, for servers or clients (what we use it for). It uses iPXE to boot now, and allows us to deploy images, causing the system to turn on and automatically boot to the NIC. When it gets the PXE image, it just tells it to download the image and deploy itself

paradroid

Nice. Might look into that, as once I have all my stuff setup, I need some way to make new virtual machine desktops, configured just how I want it.

Better keep quiet about that actually.

Canadian Luke

Well, I keep testing out the iPXE stuff on a Virtualbox VM, so I know it works on VMs too! You just create a new "host", assign the image group, and tell it to image the current hard drive!

You also don't need to SysPrep Windows before capturing and deploying the image. FOG takes care of all that for you! Literally, get the system running how you want, then capture the image using FOG from the console

That Brazilian Guy

Admin user is able to edit files from all users. THIS IS A SECURITY FLAW!

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Q: How to protect personal files from administrator

I recently got myself a surface tablet, a friend of mine usses this as wel. So I let her make an account on it, that way she wouldn't be able to mess with my personal files. The thing is, since I made her admin, she is able to gain access to all my files. Even my OneDrive files. I found this a...

windows-8 security administrator windows-10-preview

paradroid

I suppose she could use Bitlocker?

Michael Frank

11:04 PM

Wouldn't Bitlocker do the entire drive?

paradroid

It does containers as well. Just make an encrypted VHD and mount it as a virtual drive.

Just like Truecrypt.

DragonLord

EFS would address this, but requires the Pro edition of Windows.

Canadian Luke

Or, you know, proper computing would prevent the files from being freely available too...

DragonLord

If it's a Surface Pro, then he can protect his files against administrator access.

Can you be specific as to what model Surface you're using and the version and edition of Windows? Your options vary depending on what edition of Windows you're running. — DragonLord 52 secs ago

paradroid

Surface Pro runs professional I think.

That Brazilian Guy

11:08 PM

@DragonLord How?

Canadian Luke

It does. But admins can still get access to the files on a Surface Pro... Unless you know of some cool new way of hiding files that's built in to it... And I'm not counting an encrypted VHD, since it's technically just a single file

DragonLord

It would require some configuration to work, though.

Encrypting File System

The Encrypting File System (EFS) on Microsoft Windows is a feature introduced in version 3.0 of NTFS that provides filesystem-level encryption. The technology enables files to be transparently encrypted to protect confidential data from attackers with physical access to the computer. EFS is available in all versions of Windows developed for business environments (see Supported operating systems below) from Windows 2000 onwards. By default, no files are encrypted, but encryption can be enabled by users on a per-file, per-directory, or per-drive basis. Some EFS settings can also be mandated via Group...

> In Windows XP and later, there is no default local Data Recovery Agent and no requirement to have one. Setting SYSKEY to mode 2 or 3 (syskey typed in during bootup or stored on a floppy disk) will mitigate the risk of unauthorized decryption through the local Administrator account.

> This is because the local user's password hashes, stored in the SAM file, are encrypted with the Syskey, and the Syskey value is not available to an offline attacker who does not possess the Syskey passphrase/floppy.

Canadian Luke

I remember syskey...

But they can still boot a Linux disk and access the NTFS partition with SysKey enabled

HA! I could vote on my question for 5 ms!