@JourneymanGeek does your bot say when my HS went down?

uh sec

about 2pm UTC+8

hm

uptime.lupinenet.com/status

does hovering over the red pill give you local time?

yes thanks

about 7AM apparently

(timezones, hate em as much as math) :D

lol

I mean, they are maths

so unsurprising :D

yup

.... waaait

shouldn't it sent you a mail too?

I don't think so

at least, I don't think it's configured to

ah no

.....

wait

I have a RSS feed?

and a badly hacked together method too

it sends a mail to kill the mailing list which ends up creating an RSS feed

It sends quix mails apparently

...it creates an RSS feed from a mail?!

that's impressive jank

kill-the-newsletter.com

Well I did set up a lot of this half asleep and with mild undiagnosed ADD

I think I literally did this with/for tom scott's mailing list and past me thought it would be cool

Only...

I don't monitor this RSS feed

@JourneymanGeek lol

It's one of those "if it works..."

more of "I wish I'd kept notes" or "Yanno, if I had a secret drinking habit, it might explain all this"

I've opened a ticket anyway

and judging from a previous ticket, I suspect we had a very similar conversation in September 2022

lol

also

it's possible my "monitoring" thing (telegraf-influx-grafana) failed to notice it

how exactly does having a monitoring system reporting back to what it monitors makes sense?

I should really set that to autostart

Oh, the 'nice' thing with uptime kuma is...

its dumb

I'm literally just seeing if your endpoint is up

@JourneymanGeek well yes I think I/we also made that point :P

dumb is good

yup

telegraf is just ping by default

I had something else before, can't remember what its called

which is actually measuring a different thing of course

yup

it checks if your server is up

aye

if I can't ping but matrix is up, clearly I need a priest

or, well, if there's connectivity at least

yup

lol yes

but handy for the opposite direction

(I suspect that it's relatively trivial to do proper "is up" endpoint monitoring things in telegraf, it's just aimed more at collecting data/metrics in general as you probably know)

I think Prometheus sits somewhere in between?

I mean essentially I'm doing a dumb curl run and checking for a 200

or maybe it does the whole TIG stack and a little more or something

yup

I probably want 'full' monitoring in future

and I think prometheus might be a solution there

because more data = betterer ? :D

kinda

and I think we had that discussion recently also lol

because sometimes it definitely isnt

or it's just data for data's sake

oh yeah, I think the context was web analytics

and at some point a lot of stuff is going to be running on a slightly potato system :D

I'm probably temporarily going to move lots of things to a n100 I run at home

slightly potato is fine

and maybe downgrade/sidegrade my hosting

fair enough

I'm already on potato tier hosting

@bertieb Hi already on potato tier hosting, I'm Oak!

also data is fun :D

so I got nowhere to go but up

oh, I still need to get the sh... shodboxen up

and that might end up being my proof of concept for things

(looks like it took ~8h from start of downtime to resolution, or about 3-3½ h from report to resolution last time around)

so we'll see

ow?

meh

it's only matrix

and it's 15 EUR a year

ah

hard to find cheaper than that

tho I suspect it might run on an AWS free tier

I don't want to do that for reasons

yup

well in theory I have an oracle free tier account

if I'm honest, I'm not sure what a sufficient amount of compute+disk 'should' cost?

only there's no capacity for free VMs :D

that's vaguely why I want a certain degree of monitoring

1 user, "federated" to about 4 other servers?

I'm pretty sure I overspec my dedi and I might be able to drop down

oh it runs everything

pretty much

though, technically for me, I have '3 users' :D

see I'm not sure what's a fair price for that

15 EUR might be it

oh less 'price' than 'specs'

also I run other things too

well, I am kinda price-conscious for obvious reasons

yuuup

so if I could save on 15 EUR/yr I probably should

Well if you have something else...

well technically yes- self host at home or free tier cloud offering

(sometimes consolidation saves money :D)

self host at home, you need ddns or static IP

yea certainly

but for our use, ehhh it'll be fine

aye

assuming power/hardware

and I have both of those (somewhat redundantly...) anyway

well that's the other thing

in theory I THINK I can literally run things for '0'/subsidised cost

running the hardware to self host might be more expensive than a potato-tier VPS

hence the slightly potato :D

but depends

if it runs on azure or aws or gcp or what have you, it's hard to compete with 'free'

which is where you get into the "I can but would prefer not to" territory

which I think it not a terrible mindset

yup

that, and a dash of the old Vimes Boots Theory

yuuuup

I get what you mean

it's a tricky compromise

though we're better than a guy who kept buying VERY shitty old PCs

and losing them to cats peeing on it

moderately yes

so here's my mindset - I have the hardware or will have. I think my one 'problem' is as bob said it, the risk of getting DDOSed by someone I pissed off here :D

I'm not sure if going for 10 years is better than "occasional potato tier purchase"

but it probably is

but I think I can CF the public facing stuff

@bertieb assuming you go for 10 years

one 'good' thing with self hosting is if something goes pear shaped, you can fix it yourself

@JourneymanGeek 970 GTX was launched in September 2024

so getting there :D

.... what?

for a home PC

OHHHH

@bertieb assuming you're not using it to save on your heating bills, sure

in comparison to catpeepc

yup

@JourneymanGeek more that it's hard to justify upgrades beyond it

well I did buy a 80 dollar "everything is soldered in" PC for a spare

@bertieb ah, but sometimes the whole point is "I have this, and I can run stuff on it"

If my 3770 hadn't died a death, I'd likely be running it in my new place

there's not much in the "couple to few dozen quid" tier that's worth the upgrade

@JourneymanGeek that argument is as valid at any point right up to mega highend :P

I guess it's more not being able to justify the delta in cost?

ah

I mean

that's for me, I mean

don't get your computers peed on

and instead of buying 7-8 shitty PCs, you can buy one mediocre modern one

if others wanna do it I'm not gonna object lol

....

I think I've completely lost the trail of thought here

are we talking cloud vs selfhost or vimes economics when it comes to PCs? D:

both

vimes as applied to both I mean

so, right.

My 'ideal' would be to buy high end every half decade or so, then relegate that machine to being the home server for another half decade :D

Practically I run my machines ~7-8 years until they almost or do die

with some Midlife crisis upgrades

yeah

that was my previous approach

practically I end up running a pile of cheap ~200ish dollar mini PCs ;D

(aside: to illustrate what I mean, the cheapest rec'd GPU on logical increments is an RX 6400 which I think might be wrose than a GTX 970? -- not that LI are infallible and the source of all wisdom BUT...)

ah yup

see I'm not sure I get the 'pile' is the only thing

as the old joke about 'if you were local' goes...

ach

well, the needs of a gaming PC and of a home server are different

I'm just complaining about a side effect of a much bigger problem really

lack of money? :D

well, yes

which I would add is a very common problem

I did literally run a PC I picked up off a dumpster for a bit

but even that's just one node in the great tree

"the world is generally <CENSORED>"

er, maybe

that's true but a different tree

I mean, there's a lot of problems to being a computer enthusiast :D

yea

mild hoarding tendancies, money, space...

but it's also surprisingly accessible even at the potato / free tier?

in general

Well if you know where to look

yeah

quite a few assumptions about 'free' inherent in that

yup

free is in beer, freedom or first hit of addictive drugs

hehe

in my defence, I am trying to optimise not solely on price where I can

also there's the - if I run primarily on a cloud thing...

sustainability in various senses of the word being important

Running stuff from the ground up is more fun/educational

yup

speaking of dumpsterdiving

my dad's apparently getting a new safe - I'm vaguely tempted to 'adopt' the old one

strip out the worky bits as much as possible and.. I donno

use it for storage

what kind of safe is the old one?

(no reply from tech support, VPS still won't start)

speaking of CF, I could in theory do something similar I guess

FE proxy the HS, since it's all over HTTPS anyway (er, I think)

and spin up something local, since I in theory replicate/backup the database anyway and the config is 'local' (ansible)

but that seems like a bunch of effort to mitigate effectively 4-5h of downtime per 18 months

99.96% uptime, I think?

not exactly "five nines", but I don't think that's achievable for 1,25EUR month⁻¹

might be an interesting exercise tho

might pick your and Bob's brains on that when it comes back online

@bertieb not very

the locking part broke so we use that 'standard' key-driver thing to open and close it

🧐

I was pondering just removing all the locky bits and using it as a place to leave packages/sit down to put on footwear

I mean you could

or just fix the lock?

uhhh

Its some digital thing with batteries and such

and we've had it over 20 years

it would probably make more sense to just install an oldschool hasp with pop rivets :D

we might have also lost the key :D

I mean these things can often be changed out

uhh

or sometimes

or occasionally

judging by what LPL says

by 'lock' I mean a keypad with the cover ripped off, obvious screws....

LPL would probably be in in about 20 seconds :D

sure

if he was blindfolded, maybe

yup

the hoarder tendancy is showing :D

@djsmiley2kStaysInside I resemble that remark

At work, I'm trying to get rid of some 20 yr old switches

sure, we need one or two spares, for the one or two we currently stil have running

but we don't need 12.

but... :D

more seriously though, I'm somewhat better than I used to be

If it makes you feel any better, I still have a handful of 10 Mbps hubs.

Still down ._.

and no word from support

No surprise there. Support is probably still using dial-up. Good luck waiting for that to resolve. Meanwhile, the world has moved on to using hardware that doesn't belong in a museum. Maybe it's time for an upgrade, or at least stop treating ancient tech like sacred relics. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a chatbot lurking in 'Root Access'.