Root Access

old joke is old :P

11:23 AM

paypal.com/mq/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full this is where that statement already resides (but in effect in june '15). Things i also didnt want to see . in the who we share your info with , in the "Marketing and Public Relations" section. 4 marketing companies, getting not only your name, but also e-mail address , phone number and of course transaction info.

djsmiley2k

@DragonLord but google music does, PROGRESS! o

So if it was not bad enough that ebay gets its database hacked and 135million users exposed . Each of our online presences are not just one data base and its 4 backups capable of being hacked into, but multitudes of corporate entities and offices around the . . . well you might as well put it on facebook :-)

Also in the "Commercial partners" where you see 12 marketing firms, given "all account info" as direct commertial partners to paypal.

(all sneaked in at the bottom where they thought i wouldnt see)

11:48 AM

gum tree (listed partner of paypal) thing is here motorfinanceonline.com/blog/… claims of 17mill lost.

qroberts

1:46 PM

What tool do you guys use for pulling license keys/product keys from a machine? I've been using Belarc Advisor but was curious if there were any other lighter weight/better programs out there?

there is a number of questions that the answer indicates a software to use, like superuser.com/questions/486338/oem-product-key-from-product-id/… , i also found this on one question nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html that would be my choice because nirsoft utils are tiny and still GUI like.

qroberts

I love tiny no-install applications that just do their job :) I'll check out ProduKey and NirSoft's other tools

2:02 PM

@allquixotic, @Bob: Good news, with phantomjs 2 out, you can run the bot headlessly with it!

I'll push a script (on top of node) to do it in a few

Journeyman Geek

cool

That Brazilian Guy

2:25 PM

10 hours ago, by Psycogeek

no, your the only one :-) Before pushing the button, comparing what the manuel said , to what the description is , would be good.

> manuel

2:36 PM

@Zirak uhm... @allquixotic is already running it on pjs2

Nervermind then!

Jul 3 '14 at 15:26, by allquixotic

hmm, or i might just use phantomjs 2.x preview... I think it's really starting to come along

Why didn't you tell me :(

Sep 23 '14 at 16:02, by allquixotic

oh. also plenty of depth in the area of making shit build. I am still determined to give another whack at PhantomJS 2.x on SmartOS :P

@Zirak the original headless driver was on pjs with es5 shims, then moved to ff + xvfb when the shims turned out to be inadequate

Aug 11 '13 at 0:56, by somequixotic

@Bob was hoping to run it on PhantomJS

Apr 23 at 17:36, by allquixotic

@Bob ^^ new phantomjs from git master

Wait...so who made that weird Selenium driver in Java?

2:39 PM

@Zirak That's the one @allquixotic is using. He wrote it.

Is, present tense? Why? How does Selenium fit in?

Oh, login? That's part of what I'll be pushing.

@Zirak selenium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/docs/api/py/…

strangely, I can't seem to find the message where he said he managed to get it working on 2.0

It's okay, I'll see if I can ease his life with anything. Speaking of which, can I ease your life with anything? I've been fixing more stuff on the bot recently, anything particularly important/annoying?

uhh... no? :P

we don't really use the bot for much more than image macros

oke doke

2:43 PM

I haven't actually touched (or looked at) its source in a few months

haha, solid.

!!listcommands

@Bob help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, awsm, ban, unban, color, convert, define, doge, domain, export, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, import, jquery, learn, test, why, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, goaway, status, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, maybe, say, facepalm, hv, ohhh, whocares, snore, toostupid
bababababat, plz, whee, lol, ittts, gates, potato, pissed, evil, ohmy, cancer, theplan, thisplanet, win, suatm…

@Zirak I have no idea what most of those do!

!!info {user_id}

@Bob Command {user_id}, created by Jimmy Hoffa on Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:57:19 GMT but hasn't been used yet

2:45 PM

!!info {this_is_impossible}

!!help {user_id}

@Bob Command {this_is_impossible}, created by allquixotic on Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:44:07 GMT but hasn't been used yet

@Bob {user_id}: User-taught command: arrr

!!help {this_is_impossible}

@Bob {this_is_impossible}: User-taught command: http://google.com

... O_O

looks like some kind of import error...

shit, that means import-export has a bug

but how did this happen? JSON lib bug? O_O

nope, just people teaching the bot weird crap

Sep 10 '14 at 15:44, by allquixotic

!!learn {this_is_impossible} http://google.com

Jan 14 '14 at 18:57, by Jimmy Hoffa

!!learn {user_id} arrr

-_-

You guys are weirdos

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2:48 PM

@Zirak nah, we just repeat the same conversations over and over

fountain pens, mech keyboards, audio equipment... {user_id}s... (@allquixotic)

Sep 10 '14 at 15:44, by allquixotic

@Bob but the json parser is getting confused. there can't be a command named {user_id}. that's nonsense.

!!bunny

lol

You guys are weirdos

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Thanks for the compliment

:)

2:49 PM

lol

!!tell 21410146 rlemon

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but.. why do I have my own image?

lol rlemon is here

!!info rlemon

@HackToHell Command rlemon, created by rlemon on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:05:14 GMT, invoked 1 times

@rlemon ...shouldn't you ask yourself? :P

Nov 26 '13 at 18:05, by rlemon

!!learn rlemon '<>http://m.memegen.com/mddrea.jpg'

2:52 PM

hahaha

dammit

I tricked myself.

Trolled by past self

4

:(

@rlemon ...are you also watching for your name to be mentioned? o.O

no, I was made aware

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Zirak

http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21410178#21410178 @rlemon they have this image named after you

2:54 PM

Don't lie, you called me to ask if they were talking about you

:hides:

Someone ported KSP to webgl, runs in the browser!

3:30 PM

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Loktar

3:53 PM

4:05 PM

Now compare to Australia.

4:18 PM

Anyway @Bob @allquixotic: github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot#running-the-bot and github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/blob/…

@Zirak nice

4:32 PM

@Zirak Oh yea, @DragonLord was asking earlier, and now I'm curious - do you have a preferred IDE for JS?

@Bob I use emacs for pretty much everything. Tried a lot of IDEs and editors, settled on emacs for raw awesomeness. I know though that a lot of people swear by WebStorm, and some use Visual Studio with a JS plugin

There are IDEs ofr JS :O

@Zirak Yea, I'm trying out the Node plugin for VS right now.

Use NetBeans at work (cause backend is Java)

emacs learning curve too high :P

My condolences

(and vim's my preferred CLI editor anyway)

4:39 PM

It's not that high to be honest, after a day you can be decently productive

@Zirak hey, at least it's not PHP

Download or parsing failed. Try refreshing the catalog again. Otherwise restart Visual Studio, and try again.
System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an error: (503) Server Unavailable.

Hm. That ain't good.

npm ERR! registry error parsing json

nope

hey it worked this time

...is npm normally this unreliable?

5:00 PM

Have you ever woken up in the middle of the night, clutching your head trying to recover a nightmare? Then you decide to get a glass of water, and on your way to the kitchen, think you see someone in the shower. You scream, pull out your chainsaw, and commence to wreck havoc.
When the adrenaline induced mania subsides, you discover it was just a badly crumpled towel which fell over. But now everything's torn to shreds, the bathroom's gone to shit, and you have cuts all over.

Imagine living every day like that. It must be how npm feels.

o.O

I don't normally keep a chainsaw on hand, no. Have you been hanging around with she-who-must-not-be-named?

Though, her reaction would be to set it on fire.

5:20 PM

@Zirak Reminds me of

Did you ever wake up from a nightmare so deep
Where you’re drowning in 17 fathoms of sleep?
And you swim to the surface and you’re gasping for breath
But you’re back for a reason, for a bargain with death.

Yes, it’s one final contract, it’s one final task,
But she’s asking a question no one’s bothered to ask,
For what are we men without a ship to complete?
Unless we’re snatching some hope from those jaws of defeat?

For this is our moment,
This is our grail,
This is our Everest,
Our mountain to scale.

oh, uhm, you probably have at least a dozen pings, @allquixotic. sorry :P

@allquixotic That's a really neat one. Who's it of?

The Last Ship - "The Last Ship Part 2" (9)

►

Darth_Vader

greetings

wow, that's actually pretty awesome

I think I need to watch (listen to?) the whole musical

@Darth_Vader 'lo

5:36 PM

is this chat available in for example irssi?

Darth_Vader

any mac users that use AppleScript? I was curious to know if I can do something on my box

@BradyTrainor not officially

@Darth_Vader we have few OS X users in here at the best (worst? :P) of times :P

Darth_Vader

cool.. atleast its friday, lol

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Q: IRC access for the chat?

Will there be any way of accessing the chat over IRC? As beautiful ajax interfaces are ... IRC is still #1 for chats.

Thank you Bob, you found it before I was able to.

5:41 PM

@BradyTrainor @JourneymanGeek might have an idea of current options, but he should be asleep by now

Bob, thank you, added these comments to notes.

Q: What are some common "gotchas" associated with moderation activities?

5:57 PM

Some lessons taught by @random in the Ask a Super User Moderator room:

in Ask a Super User Moderator, Jan 23 at 3:30, by random

Most tag wiki suggested edits are plagiarism. Don't just blindly approve.

in Ask a Super User Moderator, Jan 24 at 3:34, by random

If you're voting to migrate to Stack Overflow or Server Fault, chances are they've been cross posted

These are subtleties that are often missed by reviewers. To address this issue, I've created this question and community wiki answer:

0

Over the past few years, I've run into several little "gotchas" when it comes to common moderation tasks such as migrating questions, reviewing posts, or evaluating suggested edits. These mistakes aren't as well documented as I'd like them to be. What should I look out for when performing these ...

discussion review migration suggested-edits moderation

I hate the fact that some of these little "gotchas" are learned through experience, not clearly documented anywhere on the site.

Little subtleties like these that even I didn't know until I ran into them and a moderator corrected me.

My goal is to collect the wisdom of the moderators when it comes to things like these so that nobody has to make these mistakes again.

7:10 PM

@DragonLord: Meh, downvoters should be forced to write a comment with feedback (if needed, anonymous) or click a comment that they agree with. Just a blank -1 without any words is the worst possible form of feedback.

@TomWijsman And then people will start leaving '-1' comments. You end up with no real additional value.

And then you propose to add reverting downvotes if such comments are flagged.

@Bob There is a minimum comment length.

And suddenly it becomes an exercise in subjectivity.

@TomWijsman -1..........................................................

What does a downvote even mean when the only feedback is ...?

@TomWijsman You cannot force feedback. It just won't work how you hope it will.

Unless you start moderating votes, anyway.

7:15 PM

Only downvotes.

Instead of it being meaningless as it is now, it could generate useful feedback.

@Bob: Only for questions, not for answers.

@TomWijsman Or it could place too much strain on the moderators trying to keep up. Or it could be seen as an attempt to silence people's opinions.

Heck, again we get back to subjectivity.

What if someone comments "poorly written"?

If I ask a question on Super User.

Are they allowed to use such a comment?

And that question gets a downvote ...

... what does that downvote mean?

What about "author is clueless"?

7:17 PM

Questions aren't opinions.

You see the problem? You also attract abuse targeted at the asker.

@Bob: What is author clueless about?

What is poorly written?

@TomWijsman Oh? So now downvotes need to be validated?

@Bob No, but they can engage feedback.

Who decides what's an acceptable downvote? Which of the infinite number of reasons is acceptable, and which are not?

7:18 PM

Any downvote is acceptable.

You are talking besides the point.

@TomWijsman That option is already there. It is already encouraged by a dialog.

You cannot force useful feedback.

@Bob Nope, which dialog?

I just clicked downvote on a random question, no dialog.

@TomWijsman It's removed past a certain amount of rep, IIRC.

@Bob Okay, so the feature is there. I don't understand why the hide the dialog for me though...

> edit: this is now implemented and live for users with reputation below 2000. It is shown on every downvote until you get to 2k.

@TomWijsman Because it would be terrible from a ux perspective.

7:21 PM

@Bob Okay, but I took like a break of X years now.

(Or am still in it)

It's not like I've learned to write comments to questions I downvote.

You can't keep throwing more and more messages at a user and hope some will stick. At some point they'll just start ignoring them.

Anyhow, nevermind, glad to know a popup is in place.

@TomWijsman Then that's a feature suggestion: show it for the first X attempted downvotes after Y months of absence.

@Bob That's the other side of the story.

This side of the story I made the suggestion for is the user wondering why his question got downvoted.

@Bob Maybe I could suggest to not hide the dialog at all; so, that'll be a subjective magnet about whether or not to keep the dialog.

@TomWijsman And I'm saying trying to force a reason/comment will do more harm than good. And that there's a reminder in place. And in response to your "don't understand why the hide the dialog", well, this is the reason.

7:26 PM

@Bob Less harmful than noticing your question has an unexplained downvote.

@TomWijsman No, potentially more harmful.

8 mins ago, by Bob

You see the problem? You also attract abuse targeted at the asker.

Which abuse are you talking about?

A comment with "poorly written" is a ton more helpful than no comment at all.

Then I know to rewrite it to be more clear. Instead of wondering what could possible be wrong with the question.

IMO, a blank meaningless -1 is the worst form of abuse.

It is like receiving blank letters in your home's inbox, it leaves you wondering...

(Could be considered a bad metaphor, because you receive free paper! :P)

@Bob I watched it in person on Broadway this winter, with Sting as a cast member O___O it was incredible... unfortunately I don't know of any video recordings of their performance, just the audio soundtrack :(

@Zirak github.com/allquixotic/so-chatbot-driver

> First commit
authored on Aug 10, 2013

99.9% sure I've told you about it maybe 6 times before

@Bob's history of the so-chatbot-driver is accurate. First it used PJS 1.9.x with awful ES5 shams, then it used Firefox + Xvfb, then it went back to a development build of PJS 2.x for a long time, then just recently (last week) I updated PJS 2.x to a post-release git master build of 2.0.

7:52 PM

@allquixotic ok, I need to translate an AHK script to something that'll run on Linux. requires: HTTP, FTP, invoking external processes... pretty simple little script

so I'm trying to pick a language :P

let's see... JS/Node, Python... gonna stay away from Perl, don't know Ruby... C#/Mono is an option

Hm. Choices, choices...

C# would probably be the easiest, but Mono is a huge dependency

I've been trying to get something up in Node, but this is turning into a rather alarming mess of callbacks

definitely prefer C# async/await... far easier to scan

What do you need something like that for? I've tried learning some coding languages in the past, but then I can never think of anything practical to use them for so I end up never getting very far.

@TomWijsman Then you can try to make that case. It has been five years.

@yilduz this'll just take a list of tasks and process them before uploading the results

What sort of tasks? (if you don't mind me asking)

it's a fairly simple script linking a webapp and a local executable. no, I don't know why the webapp server-side stuff can't do this itself

@yilduz not at liberty to go into that much detail :P

I was going to say that I'd understand if you can't.

8:07 PM

well, technically it's a personal project, but the guy I'm working with doesn't really want it public - I'm just translating his AHK script

Fair enough.

I need to find a job where I can be given tasks like that. My current job I pretty much just browse SE all day. :P

@Bob Learn Ruby. It's worth your while.

@allquixotic Got any examples of why it's awesome? :P

Also, once you learn Ruby, you'll be appalled at how many keystrokes it takes to get shit done in Java and C#... lol

@Bob Nah, just that I wrote a fairly non-trivial app with graph theory, a GTK3 GUI, etc. in Ruby in less than 500 SLOC (including newlines) that would've taken me thousands in Java or C#

@allquixotic if I wanted to save on keystrokes, I'd just use Perl :P

9:05 PM

what is a pane in Word VBA?

Description is terse at msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff195158.aspx, but maybe I should keep reading to pick up from context

oh, maybe for headers, etc

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Repcapped for the 15th time today.

why isn't there more clear descriptions of objects Story and Pane for Word?

In other news, I just came home from the local Barnes & Noble with three JavaScript books, hoping to jump-start my learning the programming language of the Internet

Two of these books are published by O'Reilly, one of which has their signature woodcut (a rhinoceros).

I've never gotten an O'Reilly book before, but I've heard nothing but good things about them

heh, apparently this word document has 5 storyranges. that's not clear.

David Flanagan, JavaScript: The Definitive Guide, O'Reilly

Eric Freeman & Elisabeth Robson, Head First JavaScript Programming: A Brain-Friendly Guide, O'Reilly (this one seems to be aimed at teens)

Julie C. Meloni, Sams Teach Yourself HTML, CSS, and JavaScript All in One, Pearson Education

9:30 PM

@DragonLord Beware: hard copies are often out of date. Web tech moves fast.

Honestly, you might have been better off sticking to MDN et al..

I've already checked to make sure they cover things like HTML5.

The "rhino book" is the 6th edition. (Just checked, this is the latest edition.)

@DragonLord HTML5 is a living standard. And browser implementations all drift around that point - they're all different.

Even if they covered HTML5 as it was two years ago, they could be out of date.

Just keep that in mind.

Before you implement something, search and see if there's a better way.

For example, the color input-type was only recently implemented in some browsers. Prior to that, the recommendation was to use a JS colour picker. (in some cases now, you might still want to)

Do I really need to download Chrome for web development?

I'm not a fan of Chrome.

@DragonLord You'll need to test your code on as many browsers as possible.

Personally, I don't like using Chrome. But I'll still test my code there.

Actually, at the moment the devtools in Chrome are ahead of the FF ones.

I've seen websites in the past that show how your code will execute in different browsers.

They're easier than just testing different browsers because it'll also test different versions of the browsers.

9:35 PM

For the most part, you can rely on MDN and caniuse.com to tell you what each browser implements. Oh, and quirksmode.org.

Follow those as you dev. Then you can test other browsers at the end.

@yilduz No. It doesn't work that way.

There's no such thing as a completely automated tester.

A human who understands how to use your webapp must manually click through, or write automated tests that perform specific actions.

i.e. you'll still need to manually go through all the browsers

There are sites like browserstack that allow you to test on different browsers and versions without installing them locally, but I will recommend not using them.

Right, it doesn't just test and say "everything is okay". It will actually show you how each browser will display it.

You're better off running a local VM. Much faster.

If I get Chrome, should I get Canary, or the regular version?

@DragonLord Remember, just check MDN and caniuse while you dev. Leave browser testing for the end.

Or test specific parts you're uncertain about.

If you go through testing every single line in all browsers, you'll take forever. Test large chunks of changes, around where you might consider a release.

For the most part, modern browsers behave similarly enough that any fixes will be minor.

Keep in mind I'm new to all this.

9:39 PM

The major exception is outdated versions of IE... for a beginner, I would recommend ignoring them for now.

I know almost no JS at all.

I don't plan to target IE older than version 8.

@DragonLord Develop against what's documented in MDN. At the bottom of MDN pages there'll be a table listing browser support.

@DragonLord No. Don't even do that.

Unless you have a specific need, don't bother with anything but the latest stable.

IE8 is older than the entire existence of Chrome.

Employers should not expect you to remember specific quirks of every browser.

Just know that they have quirks, and know how to deal with them. You'll be able to look up specific quirks and resolutions when you go through it at the end. Don't worry about them as a beginner. Focus on learning the core language and getting started first.

I'm not fond of having update Firefox Developer Edition every day (it's a nightly build).

@DragonLord I'd say it's best to get into the habit of developing for the latest, and implementing specific fallbacks for specific lacking features where necessary. Don't pick the lowest common denominator.

<footer><!--[if lt IE 9]><span style="font-size: smaller"><![endif]-->
<!-- Insert footer content here -->
</footer><!--[if lt IE 9]></span><![endif]-->

9:44 PM

In other words - if IE9 doesn't support something, and you want to support that version, it's generally better to use the newer version wherever possible and either use shims or fall back manually for the older browser.

IE older than version 9 workaround for unimplemented HTML5 on my website.

The possible exception is where they provide a different UI - you might want to unify your UI.

@DragonLord Keep in mind that that kind of construct is generally a bad idea.

When checking browser support, it's preferable to use feature detection - where you check if a specific requested feature exists, rather than checkign a specific browser user agent or version. The latter is prone to mistakes.

...getting ahead of ourselves. Don't worry about that yet; you'd probably better understand what I'm saying once you have a bit of a grounding in JS :P

and I'd be able to throw code examples at you

@DragonLord Yea, there's some places where feature detection don't work too well. JS syntactical changes are a breaking change. HTML changes can't fall back easily without script support. But most JS changes are not breaking, and CSS will happily fall back.

Michael Frank

11:09 PM

Oh wow... Grooveshark has shutdown.

Journeyman Geek

Yup