Root Access

seriously... until they make chat end-to-end https, NSFW is a significant concern in here, and i'm not the only one... just ask bob and oliver and ben richards and mokubai and..

Danny Beckett

4:07 PM

well I'm stumped! that's bizarre

allquixotic

i really have no problem with it but ${EMPLOYER} might if they can watch the traffic go by

That Brazilian Guy

O_o

Gowtham

つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give HTTPS SE !

allquixotic

i mean the alternative is that they'll block chat.SE like they did chat.SO and I won't be in here anymore except for in the evenings

which would reduce my participation in chat by about 85%

Otto the Autopilot

test

allquixotic

4:09 PM

lol

Danny Beckett

!!info

......I don't get it :S

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Wait, your employers blocked chat.so?

Danny Beckett

his parent room is 12308; he's summoned and working in 12036; and he's summoned and not working in 118 (here)

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy indeed.

@DannyBeckett all chat.SE and not chat.SO, right?

Danny Beckett

yup.. bizarre! I'm gonna unsummon him now and you can restart John :)

allquixotic

4:12 PM

!!live

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic And on this day, you shall paint eggs for a giant bunny.

Danny Beckett

lol

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic That's just evil :P

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg no, evil is listening to music through a cheap voice headset with a single speaker with a fidelity worse than the first telegraph

forgot my Matrix cans today... they are sitting uselessly at home D:

i really need to have two pair

Oliver Salzburg

Hey I'm listening music through my laptop speakers right now :(

I can't use headphones cause then I won't hear when someone rings the doorbell and I'm alone in the office :P

I love it when projects go like this. Let's quickly replace Bootstrap 2.3.2 with Bootstrap 3. Okay done, except for the modal dialogs in Angular, let's change all of those to a new library real quick. Okay done, except now certain translation items have to be translated on the client instead of on the server, so let's accommodate for that real quick, ...

Anonymous

4:25 PM

@allquixotic what happened to them?

Anonymous

@allquixotic why haven't you circumvented it yet, or just convinced your employers to move into >2010 and tell them why is blocking anything a bad idea

Oliver Salzburg

"Please unblock XYZ" is a trigger sentence to get you on the watchlist ;D

Anonymous

@OliverSalzburg we'll end up with buttbuttination then

allquixotic

4:40 PM

@OliverSalzburg are you kidding? just "Please" is more than enough

Oliver Salzburg

:D

allquixotic

our IT department consists of one person: Tardar Sauce

"I let my users have fun once. It was awful."

they're talking about a whitelist internet soon

all sites blocked by default unless explicit approval

Anonymous

@allquixotic grgghh

allquixotic

someone needs to release a 8"+ tablet with a physical keyboard (snap-on is fine) and call it a phone in the marketing material, and make it LTE etc. and release it on Verizon... then I can be like, "hey, I'm allowed to have this, THIS IS MY PHONE!" (this has always been a valid excuse in the past)

Oliver Salzburg

Anyone else getting 500s at docs.angularjs.org

allquixotic

4:53 PM

@OliverSalzburg it looks pretty hosed, so I guess so

Oliver Salzburg

:(

allquixotic

gcache?

Oliver Salzburg

I'll just assume I'm right without checking the docs then :P

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg best way

Oliver Salzburg

Google search isn't turning up what I'm looking for and the SO answers point to outdated material

Braiam

4:54 PM

for those meeting haters:

Jimmy Hoffa

@OliverSalzburg Now I know who to bug in my upcoming endeavour with Angular...

Oliver Salzburg

@JimmyHoffa Sure

Jimmy Hoffa

(or at least hoped to be with Angular, if I can sell it to my team... beats the hell out of hand-templating and binding...)

Oliver Salzburg

Angular is pretty sweet once you start thinking "the Angular way" ;P

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg in my experience, Jimmy likes things of the general form "X is pretty sweet once you start thinking 'the X way' ;P"

Oliver Salzburg

4:57 PM

:D

allquixotic

gizmodo.com/…

Jimmy Hoffa

5:09 PM

Really good super-tiny intro to FP and Haskell worth a skim. Won't teach Haskell but gives a general idea of what Haskell is about better than anything else I've seen in so few words pragprog.com/magazines/2012-08/…

> Ever wondered how functional programmers think? I aim to give you a glimpse into the programming style and mindset of experienced functional programmers, so you can see why we are so passionate about what we do. We'll also discuss some wider ideas about programming, such as making our languages fit the problem and not the other way round, and how this affects language design.

just a magazine article

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic What do you mean my "allowed"? By who?

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy we can have "phones" at our desks, but not "laptops" or "tablets"

it's all an arbitrary definition of terms, but if they start calling a device with a big enough screen and keyboard as to be useful a "phone" in any description, I can just cite that description and justify having it as my phone

That Brazilian Guy

Convince them with the amazing powers of marketing!

Phablet

A phablet (, a portmanteau of the words phone and tablet) is a class of mobile device designed to combine or straddle the functions of a smartphone and tablet. Phablets are characterized by the use of large screens, typically with a diagonal size between 5 to 6.9 inches (130 to 180 mm), which complement screen-intensive activity such as mobile web browsing and multimedia viewing. Phablets may also include software optimized for an integral self-storing stylus to facilitate sketching, note-taking and annotation. While Samsung's Galaxy Note (2011) is largely credited with pioneering th...

Jimmy Hoffa

The article has twenty-three citations, one of which is an obscure manuscript from the 1490's and the other twenty-two are arguments on LanguageLog.

That Brazilian Guy

How do you even remember the correct XKCD number?

Is it a geek-requirement to have all of them memorized in the correct order?

Jimmy Hoffa

5:16 PM

@ThatBrazilianGuy Google: xkcd portmanteau

Anonymous

^

allquixotic

!!tell 13184806 xkcd portmanteau

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

nevermind googling

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic ooo I don't even need to know the number for ChatBot to do it? Awesome! :D

allquixotic

5:29 PM

@JimmyHoffa just a distinctive and fairly unique keyword, otherwise it'll pull the first one matching

!!xkcd downside

ChatBot John Cavil

The only downside is that it would be a little uncomfortable

allquixotic

...not quite what was planned

!!xkcd lie

ChatBot John Cavil

I remember trying to log in to the original Command and Conquer servers a year or two back and feeling like I was knocking on the boarded-up gates of a ghost town.

allquixotic

see.... it worked

news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/14/1334248/…

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic I assume it will always pull the first one matching, but a distinctive keyword will ensure the first one matching is what I want

!!xkcd ARR

ChatBot John Cavil

5:33 PM

I've looked into this, and I can't figure out a way to do it cheaply. And I guess it wouldn't be sanitary.

Jimmy Hoffa

Not sure how it got that frome Arr...

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa sanitAR(R)y?

see the rollover text

Jimmy Hoffa

!!xkcd it's a trick'

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Could not process input. Error: Unexpected end of input: Expected ' on line 60 on column 13

Jimmy Hoffa

ooo a boog...

ChatBot John Cavil

5:38 PM

@JimmyHoffa what-if.xkcd.com/50

Jimmy Hoffa

hah it'll even grab xkcd sub-domain

Anonymous

!!xkcd horse staple

ChatBot John Cavil

@PatoSáinz xkcd.com/936

Anonymous

he's right

Jimmy Hoffa

!!xkcd it '{2}'

ChatBot John Cavil

5:41 PM

@JimmyHoffa blog.xkcd.com/2009/09/15/xkcd-volume-0

@JimmyHoffa what-if.xkcd.com/56

@JimmyHoffa Search didn't yield a comic; got wiki.xkcd.com/irc/puzzles

Anonymous

you broke it

Oliver Salzburg

I think we need to hire someone full-time just to file support requests with Acronis due to bugs in their software

This is getting ridiculous

Every single time the same fucking procedure. "Oh, let me grep our documentation and send you 5 links you've already seen and which have nothing to do with your issue!"

"Didn't work? Let me remote into your machine and restart all services then."

"What? That also didn't work? You must reinstall!"

And you waste a month on back-and-forth with them and then they tell you "Oh! Yeah. That's by design. kthxbye"

Jimmy Hoffa

If you want to hire someone full time to do anything with Acronis, it should be to replace their shitty software

Oliver Salzburg

@JimmyHoffa We're very strongly considering that at this time

With what though?

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa good article man

Jimmy Hoffa

5:50 PM

@OliverSalzburg I'd take dd over acronis ;P

Oliver Salzburg

@JimmyHoffa Sad, but true

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Yeah I was impressed, the guy's got as much experience with the stuff as anyone can too, that's the best summary of it all I've seen

sometimes skimming the stars in this room is a bit strange

yesterday, by Bob

why am I a toilet

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa I have no idea in what context that could be interpreted even semi-innocently

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic It just sounds like a hilarious statement made during a bout of wernicke's aphasia

Anonymous

6:06 PM

Windows 9 to be unveiled in April, distances itself from Windows 8 - Report

That Brazilian Guy

6:20 PM

@JimmyHoffa TIL yet another crazy brain condition

►

njallam

So... I'm trying to get an 8.1 ISO so that I can refresh this install but every time I try and use the downloader thingy, this happens:

Halp?

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThatBrazilianGuy Very temporary aphasias are common and not necessarily a 'condition', spoonerisms are an example of Wernicke's Aphasia that we all occasionally have.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:52 PM

!!xkcd {user_id} {user_id}

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Seems like you hallucinated this comic

Jimmy Hoffa

!!help

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

Jimmy Hoffa

!!listcommands

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa help, listen, eval, coffee, refresh, forget, info, listcommands, tell, afk, awsm, ban, unban, color, convert, define, domain, export, findcommand, forgetseen, github, google, hang, inhistory, import, jquery, learn, test, why, ok, hello, friday, after5, theanswer, caution, nicethings, europe, goaway, status, idk, thatword, poptart, routertroubleshooting, networkingproblem, meta, rlemon, no, foxno, yes, orlmente, fixit, uio, taytaytay, ping, maybe, say, facepalm, hv, ohhh, whocares
snore, toostupid, bababababat, plz, whee, lol, sudo, beatingbloodoutofarockwithascythe, test1, ittts…

Jimmy Hoffa

6:57 PM

!!learn {user_id} arrr

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Command {user_id} learned

!!{user_id}

@JimmyHoffa arrr

!!learn \/s* woo

@JimmyHoffa Command \/s* learned

Jimmy Hoffa

7:00 PM

!! \/s*

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

@JimmyHoffa woo

Jimmy Hoffa

7:16 PM

!!learn mumble

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Illegal /learn object; see /help learn

Jimmy Hoffa

!!learn mumblee ehh

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Command mumblee learned

Jimmy Hoffa

!!mumblee

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa ehh

Jimmy Hoffa

7:20 PM

!!mumblee

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa ehh

Hennes

7:32 PM

Grr. windows is hard.

I am trying to chance my resolution to 3840x1920. (laptop, no attached displays, lid closed, controlled via teamviewer).

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes So long as it doesn't last for more than 4 hours it's ok

2

Hennes

But the max I can choose is still as low as the tiny laptop screen

Michael Frank

@JimmyHoffa heh...

@Hennes try activating additional resolutions under the nVidia or AMD driver software.

Hennes

Intel graphics driver :(

I got that open. No higher resolutions then 1600x900

I might need to boot it with two monitors attached, so that I can then unplug those monitors (and use them with the main PC again), and then RC from there.

Whoile goal: no to plug and unplug all the time

Jimmy Hoffa

@Hennes Did you go to the advanced section where it usually has a dropdown with choices of "Show only possible resolutions" and "Show all resolutions" ?

Hennes

7:37 PM

No such dropdown found (yet)

Jimmy Hoffa

Err that's for monitor refreshes it looks like... dunno if it would do more

Hennes

I got the "list all modes", which seems to show a subset of them

Jimmy Hoffa

monitor tab from there

has a checkbox

Hennes

grayed out

Jimmy Hoffa

ouch lol

wait, is there no monitor right now?

That could be why

Hennes

7:39 PM

I tried opening the lid. no change

Jimmy Hoffa

maybe need monitor just to uncheck that

ah

Hennes

I took the laptop home to do some work with some screen realestate. (Bigger monitors at home). TV seemed nice so I did not have to unplug the screens. But argh!

Jimmy Hoffa

!!Is Hennes screwed?

ChatBot John Cavil

@JimmyHoffa Indubitably

Michael Frank

Could try disabling the monitor in Device Manager...

Hennes

7:45 PM

Rebooting it now with the lid closed and a 1920x1200 screen plugged in via a DP to HDMI converter.

Darth Android

@Hennes Use RDC?

It will resize to fit your local resolution (or specified resolution), regardless of what displays are or aren't attached to the remote system

Hennes

That is one option. But right now that is only allowed for the account in the philips AD.

Darth Android

Don't have admin access to the laptop to turn that on?

Hennes

I guess I could install the VPN software on my home PC, 'dial' in with VPN, then use that toi authenticate on my laptop.

Darth Android

Once you auth on the laptop, I think it caches credentials

Hennes

7:50 PM

Not sure. Surprisingly I got admin so I can install programs.
But it also has a lot of policies

Hmm, RDP connect fails. :(

rlemon

8:59 PM

~/src/node-v0.10.24# ./configure
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./configure", line 14, in <module>
    from gyp.common import GetFlavor
  File "./tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/__init__.py", line 8, in <module>
    import gyp.input
  File "./tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/input.py", line 5, in <module>
    from compiler.ast import Const
ImportError: No module named compiler.ast

but according to the package manager my python is up to date.

allquixotic

@rlemon python --version

rlemon

2.7.3

i'm not that big of a noob :P

I can check versions :P

allquixotic

@rlemon ok, but is ./configure using python or python3?

rlemon

hrm, good call. I'll check

#!/usr/bin/env python

this is on Angstrom linux

allquixotic

@rlemon maybe you are missing a devel package that provides the compiler

rlemon

9:04 PM

hrm

allquixotic

@rlemon find /usr -iname compiler\*py\*

rlemon

fucking hell...

> Deprecated since version 2.6:

Compiler package for python

allquixotic

@rlemon deprecated, but not removed. it's still there in python 2.x.

it's not until python3 that it was flat out removed

in python 3, the ast module was added to the python core, which provides comparable functionality to 2.x's compiler.ast, so since the node configure script is looking for compiler.ast, it certainly is targeting Python 2.x.

Anonymous

2

Q: HTTPS links aren't accepted when proposing a duplicate

I'm using HTTPS Everywhere plugin which redirects me to HTTPS versions of websites if they are available. It works on SuperUser too, so all SU pages are loaded through HTTPS. I have just tried to propose a duplicate for some question, so I have pasted HTTPS link in the text box. It failed: Ch...

rlemon

also yea it found nothing

Anonymous

9:08 PM

how long is it going to take people to figure out that SE hates HTTPS

allquixotic

@rlemon confirmation of what I suspected then

rlemon

how do I get it?

I am googling like a mad fool

I'm a programmer man! Where is a sys admin when I need one

allquixotic

@rlemon does Angstrom have a package manager?

rlemon

opkg

it tells me my python is up to date

# opkg install python
Package python-core (2.7.3-r0.3.7) installed in root is up to date.

allquixotic

@rlemon that's not going to help; you need to figure out what its search command is, and search for a list of python packages

opkg search python?

no

opkg list | grep -i python

rlemon

9:13 PM

sweet thanks

if ever you need js or fish help

i'm your man!

allquixotic

thanks? did you get it working?

rlemon

found the package

trying to configure now

fuck

allquixotic

@rlemon bookmarking for future use

rlemon

there is python-compile and python-compiler

compile isn't doing the job

allquixotic

get both

it's compiler for sure

rlemon

9:15 PM

lets hope compiler is

allquixotic

that's the name of the module, anyway

rlemon

takes a while - this is running on a beagle board.

allquixotic

I know; I could practically do your job myself by now ;)

rlemon

ugh

now to keep doing this until I have all the python packages

# ./configure
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./configure", line 14, in <module>
    from gyp.common import GetFlavor
  File "./tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/__init__.py", line 8, in <module>
    import gyp.input
  File "./tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/input.py", line 14, in <module>
    import gyp.common
  File "./tools/gyp/pylib/gyp/common.py", line 8, in <module>
    import filecmp
ImportError: No module named filecmp

allquixotic

welcome to python-dependency ~~land~~ hell

you wouldn't tell by my knowledge of it but i hate python a lot

(and perl, but that's another story for another lurker in this room)

Anonymous

9:18 PM

...

Anonymous

@rlemon I think you'll love perl if you are dying with this bullshit

rlemon

downloading packages at random... nice

Anonymous

:)

rlemon

perl was one of my first languages

it was the only book my local library had (before the days of the internet)

Anonymous

good first language

Jimmy Hoffa

9:24 PM

@rlemon let's be clear about this, the internet came before perl :P

rlemon

yea... hence why my library already had books on the subject before the internet :P

Jimmy Hoffa

@rlemon ? are you trying to be serious?

rlemon

are you?

Jimmy Hoffa

@rlemon ...the internet started in the late 60s and spread through the 70's and 80's, perl was created in '87

rlemon

don't be that guy -> you know exactly what I mean

allquixotic

9:42 PM

@JimmyHoffa the Internet "started" in the late 60s? that's like saying that the United States of America "started" in 1492 when Christopher Columbus discovered America

rlemon

for all intents and purposes the internet as we call it today started in '95

allquixotic

DARPA's communications research project and the commercial Internet available to enterprises and end-users are two entirely different things

rlemon

I didn't get it in Canada until '97

allquixotic

just like having a bunch of Spaniard conquistadores setting foot in North America is a far cry from the signing of the US Constitution and the election of the first President

Oliver Salzburg

9:58 PM

The internet was over when all the nerds got connected in the 90s!

Ben Richards

10:29 PM

ohai

:P

Just got my CMStorm Trigger-Z in. Had the Trigger but it failed and had to RMA it. It was discontinued so they sent me this one instead when they released it. Macro recording software isn't even out yet, I don't think you can buy it yet. :o

Nonetheless, I posted a typing test with it!

►

allquixotic

11:43 PM

That’s an epic setup. I don’t need to stream my system sounds anymore, but I’m sure this is going to help lots of people. — Profpatsch 3 hours ago

"lots"? as in, approximately 1

Bob

hmm... who needed the DDR2 RAM again?

taking inventory at work, and we have a massive assortment of DDR2 chips... which are probably gonna be thrown out otherwise

DragonLord

On the mSATA SSD issue: Newegg posted the RMA last night when the return physically arrived there, but the replacement order invoice only appeared a couple of hours ago.

allquixotic

@Bob "a massive assortment" of integrated circuits of any type can probably be sold for a reasonable amount of money (at least more than it costs to ship them, I'd think) to be smelted down to their raw components and re-used

DragonLord

I think this meant that while Newegg posted the RMA as soon as it got it, it did not actually generate the associated invoices until it tested the returned SSD.

Newegg says they test every product that is returned and that is a good sign because it means that the SSD itself, not the system in which it was installed, is at fault.

allquixotic

platinum, hafnium, copper, gold

@DragonLord they'd have slapped you on the head and sent the unit back if it was fine, right?

Bob

11:57 PM

@allquixotic well, not that many

> 1x PC2-3200U 512MB DDR2 400 MHz
1x PC2-4200 1 GB DDR2 533 MHz
4x PC2-5200U 512 MB DDR2 667 MHz
1x PC2-4200U 256 MB DDR2 533 MHz
2x 1 GB DDR (?) 400 MHz

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