Root Access

6:00 PM

@Braiam I doubt he's sweating

hi, i'm having trouble setting up DNS for my personal server. my domain is canisruf.us and I'm registered with theparsec and should be using this nameserver: ns1.shopco.com

when i set my computer to use that dns, it works. it hasn't propagated tho

allquixotic

!!undo

canisrufus

and it's been five or six days

anybody know what could be wrong?

Psycogeek

@allquixotic sweet

allquixotic

@canisrufus sounds like a problem with whatever shopco is

canisrufus

6:02 PM

hrm

allquixotic

this is really a problem that cannot be resolved (or understood) by us; you just need to contact whomever is in control of those server(s) / hosting companies and get them to explain to you either what you're doing wrong, or what they are doing wrong

rlemon

@allquixotic can you explain what you mean by your more elegant oneboxes?

allquixotic

!!tell 12358699 maybe

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

@rlemon see how I had to type your message ID to do that?

I don't want to have to do that

OTOH;

!!tell rlemon maybe

ChatBot John Cavil

6:03 PM

@rlemon m.memegen.com/mddrea.jpg

rlemon

so you just want the @Name to find their last message and reply?

allquixotic

not a onebox. busted.

@rlemon yes, that would be nice, or just have it flat-out splat it without pinging anybody

canisrufus

@allquixotic okay, thanks. I've emailed theparsec domains and hadn't heard back. Maybe I'll email shopco/try to figure out how to transfer to a different DNS provider

allquixotic

maybe a !!learnraw cmd outputregex that splats the output directly without pinging the person who did it, so that !!cmd would just make the bot literally say whatever

rlemon

there should be a way to do this right now actually.

!!learn rlemon '<>http://m.memegen.com/mddrea.jpg'

ChatBot John Cavil

6:05 PM

@rlemon Command test already exists

@rlemon Command rlemon learned

!!rlemon

O_O

nice... <> does what exactly?

hmm... also

!!tell rlemon rlemon

ChatBot John Cavil

@rlemon m.memegen.com/mddrea.jpg

Braiam

6:06 PM

mm...

allquixotic

!!tell 12358759 rlemon

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

ok, so <> fixes a direct unpinged splat

the old direct reply method still works

canisrufus

is there a DNS registrar that y'all particularly like?

allquixotic

@canisrufus many of us here use namecheap or godaddy

rlemon

6:07 PM

@allquixotic yes, it runs directReply instead of reply iirc

allquixotic

@rlemon I guess my only request then is !!tell whomever command would find the most recent message by whomever and reply to that message

unless it can't find a message by whomever, in which case it would do what it does now

rlemon

hrm. there would need to be limits on how many messages up it looks

for our implementation at least. we still rely on the browser. that transcript stays on the page.

allquixotic

@rlemon understandable that it would be limited, I'm not saying to search the entire transcript of chat

most of the time when I'd run !!tell whomever no etc, I would be replying to a very recent message (last 10 or so)

rlemon

nono, if you don't refresh the page old messages never go away. you can have days of transcript on the page at once

allquixotic

@rlemon I see... that might explain why my FF instance on my server eats lots of RAM ;-)

rlemon

6:11 PM

(I used to work as a SQA - so whenever a new idea is presented I instantly think of "how could this go horribly wrong" )

allquixotic

in either case, stopping the search beyond, say, 50 messages (or lower/higher if you start to notice a serious performance problem beyond a certain number) would be sane

!!tell 12357721 yes

Haha!

@OliverSalzburg O_O?

are you working on something for it actually?

Oliver Salzburg

6:15 PM

Have fun ;P

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg you are awesome :D

!!info rlemon

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command rlemon, created by rlemon on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:05:14 GMT, invoked 3 times

Oliver Salzburg

Should work fine. I'll push it to the web store

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg can you describe how it works from a user POV?

!!help rlemon

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic rlemon: User-taught command: <>http://m.memegen.com/mddrea.jpg

allquixotic

6:17 PM

Chatbot Users Room Project: Please help us rewrite learned image macro commands by first calling !!forget commandname then !!learn commandname '<>http://whatever.url' -- call !!help commandname to see if it's already done for that command. Thanks!

3

!!help no

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic no: User-taught command: http://i.stack.imgur.com/M0Ngk.png

allquixotic

!!forget no

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Command no forgotten.

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Instead of using : to trigger the script, you use !!tell. Everything else is the same as always

allquixotic

!!learn no '<>http://i.stack.imgur.com/M0Ngk.png'

ChatBot John Cavil

6:18 PM

@allquixotic Command no learned

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg oh ok, so you type !!tell, then use arrow keys, or click on message to get its msgid, right? :D

that's actually quite awesome

humm, i am using firefox... will see about building it locally

unless somehow you already have it out on mozilla web store :)

i recall you had problems with their review

!!mustache canisrufus

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

@canisrufus apparently your profile pic isn't facelike enough to be mustached ;(

That Brazilian Guy

Wow, that one is really good! What image library is it using? Seems like it's real!

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Keyboard only. I haven't messed with the reply to icons or anything

allquixotic

6:22 PM

@OliverSalzburg I see :) it's still really good though!

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Seems like he's got it covered anyway

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg i wonder if mustachify is smart enough to not add a mustache to someone who already has one... O_O

That Brazilian Guy

!!mustache thatbrazilianguy

ChatBot John Cavil

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic I also published it to Mozilla Addons, but it'll probably take a while

allquixotic

6:22 PM

@OliverSalzburg awesome :D

thanks a ton!

That Brazilian Guy

@ChatBotJohnCavil That doesn't look like a moustache to me, Calvin.

rlemon

@allquixotic as per the online memory, I will be working on that this week/weekend - my idea is that the bot would download and save memory to an online service with a access key. The key would be emailed to the person(s) hosting the bot and would be included in their userscript when loading the bot. There would also be a collection of methods you can call from the server to facilitate more robust commands on the client. This api would be accessible for all bots so long as they have a key.

the server API and memory store would mean we wouldn't actually have to port it to node.js (however it would still be better if we did)

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic It's also on my Drive: drive.google.com/…

allquixotic

@rlemon OK, that is fine, I am interested in hosting a separate instance of it myself though potentially, if there is any benefit to using it over just HTML5 local storage

rlemon

well. you can use the full power of a server language to do things we can't in the client

allquixotic

6:25 PM

@rlemon wait, so it's more than online memory? it can also send arbitrary commands? or what?

rlemon

that is the idea

a thin API for running server side commands

allquixotic

i mean one idea i've had floating in my head for a while is a way for trusted users to be able to submit a command on a HTTPS URL and have the bot issue that command, without the command being keyed in chat -- that way it might be somewhat of a mystery who issued it, and the command jargon would not appear ;p

rlemon

I can't remember the exact issues now, but there have been times where ideas were vitoed because it couldn't be sanely done on the client

allquixotic

something like https://myserver.org/botcmd?cmd=tell rlemon no

possibly with a login form and a nice web interface to submit it

rlemon

that could lead to abuse

That Brazilian Guy

6:27 PM

@allquixotic John is using a cached avatar when mustachifying, I have changed my avatar yesterday

allquixotic

not with a web interface and some kind of access control

rlemon

stupid extra skin under my lower lip, almost tore it off by accident. now my face is bleeding and wont stop

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy the images are actually fetched by mustachify.me

rlemon

well if Zirak is using the same code I originally wrote for that plugin, it is using the current chat picture as is.

so if Cavil is running in a browser, and said browser hasn't been refreshed to pick up the new pic..

allquixotic

6:28 PM

ah

righto

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Where is it taking i.stack.imgur.com/yqKog.jpg from? I'm i.stack.imgur.com/H6zb1.jpg

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy the image cache of Firefox

I have Cavil running in Firefox in xrdp now

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic OMGWTFBBQ! WHAT THE HEEL ARE YOU DOOING ON MY MOZZARELLA STOP HACKING MY FOXFIRE

rlemon

noep he went a step above. it should pick up a gravatar for users.

        //SO now allows non-gravatar images. the email_hash will be a link to the
        // image in that case, prepended with a ! for some reason
        if ( hash[0] === '!' ) {
                finish( encodeURIComponent(hash.slice(1)) + '#.png' );
        }
        else {
                finish(
                        'http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2F{0}%3Fs%3D256%26d%3Didenticon#.png'.supplant(hash) );
        }

I also have a userscript that mustachifys all users in the chat automagically.

allquixotic

!! s/ he /Zirak/

?

!!undo

!! s/ he / Zirak /

ChatBot John Cavil

6:31 PM

@allquixotic !! s/ Zirak /Zirak/ (source)

allquixotic

bah

rlemon

yea he only recently made me a contributor to the repo

allquixotic

forget it lol

rlemon

before that I just handed him my hacked code and he re-wrote it to his likings

also did you see my easy access control button? gist.github.com/rlemon/ef65a1a5fa2bf3fcae4c

allquixotic

i would contribute a lot more but the programming style of some of the JS just drives me bonkers -- and being unfamiliar with the code, half the time I have no idea what the type of a given parameter is or how to locate its type, without running the code and inspecting it at runtime

rlemon

6:32 PM

puts a button next to info link that when pressed toggles Gallery mode

@allquixotic welcome to js :)

allquixotic

@rlemon this is why I love Ceylon

Oliver Salzburg

types?

rlemon

what is this types thing you speak of ?

allquixotic

I'm at about 16% completion on the motivation progress bar towards rewriting the chat bot (or just doing my own, straight-up) in Ceylon

rlemon

it just occured to me that I haven't whored out my SE/SO userscripts on this room yet.

rlemon.github.io/Killit

to date, easily my most used script

bookmarklet that replaces a selected image on the page with trollface

awesome for killing gifs

allquixotic

6:34 PM

@rlemon we don't get rowdy in here almost ever, so probably won't need that, but nice to know anyway

rlemon

14

Q: Chat Easy Input Tools - Provides keyboard shortcuts for common text formatting commands

About Provides keyboard shortcuts for common text formatting commands, reducing the dependency on mouse usage. Current version does not have a configurable set of hotkeys but later versions will. How to use. All of the following commands are run if the user has focus in the chat input area. ...

allquixotic

@rlemon on the page? you mean in chat?

rlemon

this is pretty handy

Oliver Salzburg

I use Ctrl+Shift+C, H for that :P

rlemon

@allquixotic any page.

allquixotic

6:35 PM

@rlemon hm... i use the remove element extension of FF

@rlemon also, because @OliverSalzburg so graciously updated his FF/Chrome/Opera extension at my request to make !!tell easier, here

rlemon

well this is a nice easy one click bookmarklet for anyone who doesn't already do a less streamlined approach :P

allquixotic

!!tell, arrow key up, space, no... done

Oliver Salzburg

I never understood how to properly bookmarklet in Chrome :\

rlemon

not bad

@OliverSalzburg well you can drag a link to the bookmarks bar.

or you can just javascript:codez;

Oliver Salzburg

@rlemon Oh, right. That exists

Somewhere...

rlemon

6:37 PM

@OliverSalzburg ctrl+shift+b

Oliver Salzburg

Ugh, I have the shittiest bookmarks ever

rlemon

lol

10

Q: Stack Search Chrome Extension

Stack Search A Google Chrome Context Menu Extension Screenshot About This is a simple context menu extension that adds an option for selected text on a page to be searched on your favourite Stack Exchange sites. The extension has two main components, the context menu list and the '...

app chrome-extensions

this is chrome only sorry FF users

stackapps.com/questions/2318/… if anyone remembers the unicorn voting script... I converted it to a unicorn star script

that last one I posted I wrote two years ago...

horrible horrible style in that code :P

allquixotic

hehe

rlemon

ewww

I use .live

allquixotic

i still think the biggest possible deal for chatbot users would be a clean port of it to NodeJS, thus making so-chatbot-driver meaningless, and eliminating the pain with Xvfb/xrdp or phantomjs/slimejs, etc

and also enabling things like storing all the memory in a local file database, and making an http server module that lets people send commands out of band

rlemon

6:41 PM

as someone who doesn't node.js too often, I heard there are auth issues and crap

not sure what else is the trouble there

@SomeKittens and @Zirak know more about that than I do

allquixotic

well the authentication is pretty hairy if you aren't in DOM

that's the problem i think

i have working java/selenium code for using DOM

rlemon

the chats dom is a complete and utter mess

allquixotic

you know what would be a half-way compromise?

rlemon

the way it updates, polls, checks for changes on the existing html... horrible.

Oliver Salzburg

@rlemon No kidding :P

rlemon

6:43 PM

@allquixotic my idea would be a half way compromise.

allquixotic

there's a Selenium WebDriver client for NodeJS. then all we have to do is get either PhantomJS or SlimerJS to work headless and support ES5

rlemon

bot still lives on a browser, but gets its brains from a server

allquixotic

that way you could write the whole thing in JS, but half of it would run in a headless browser, the other half, in Node

rlemon

the headless browser is a nice idea.

but not requiring anything special aside from a browser (to run the bot) is nice

allquixotic

PhantomJS as it currently stands is perfectly headless, but it doesn't support ES5

SlimerJS is not headless but there's an open issue and the lead dev is working on it

and there is an upcoming port of PhantomJS to Qt5 which may provide ES5 support

Oliver Salzburg

6:45 PM

Why are such complex packages required anyway?

Can't you just throw something together with a bit of HTTP, OAuth and bam, the spice weasel?

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg well, honestly, successfully doing the authentication over plain HTTP bypassing the DOM is quite difficult compared to just hitting the DOM -- it's much more SLOC, and much more difficult to fix if the authentication happens to change in the future

clicking a few buttons is a no-brainer that even a dumbo like me can code up in an evening

by using DOM for auth we really kinda future-proof it -- they can still break the DOM, but they can't fundamentally change the fact that it's little more than clicking on buttons, so worst case we change the name of the button to look for to click on

they won't make it user unfriendly so they aren't going to make the DOM stupid complex just to foil bots

they could quite easily make the HTTP ridiculously hard while making the DOM easy -- you could argue they've already done that

Oliver Salzburg

I see

allquixotic

@rlemon well, the JS that would run in the browser wouldn't change, if we did a NodeJS based driver

all we really need is for either SlimerJS or PhantomJS to support both ES5 and headless

we could even have our NodeJS driver optionally support running on an interactive browser, by making a few lines of code tweak to use FirefoxDriver instead of GhostDriver if supplied a certain CLI option

I really need to build the experimental phantomjs-qt5 on linux and see if it complains about an X server

github.com/Vitallium/phantomjs-qt5

@rlemon substantially clarified and simplified my issue request here

rlemon

7:06 PM

;)

allquixotic

@rlemon O_O

rlemon

ಠ_ಠ
<|>
/ω\

allquixotic

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rlemon

..|..,

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Again you are bugging the system!

@rlemon You have some balls I see...

allquixotic

7:12 PM

@Boris_yo or utter

it's a cow from the Diablo cow level

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Utter is 1 sack.

@allquixotic "There is no cow level"

What? You are not familiar with such cheat code?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo I am ;p

Boris_yo

@allquixotic What game you had to enter this cheatcode?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo Starcraft

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Oh I erred on Age Of Empires...

@allquixotic Played Redneck Rampage?

allquixotic

7:18 PM

@Boris_yo yes

Boris_yo

@allquixotic First BUILD engine game that had higher resolution textures than prior games. That's what pulled me in.

But dang... Proud and perfectionism killed 3D Realms.

rlemon

(me) not knowing much past the basics of git... is it possible to do an untracked commit?

like change some indentation or formatting without having it show up as a commit

allquixotic

@rlemon that would break the fundamental model of source control, so, no.. unless you have direct block-level write access to the repository server

on github it's not possible, but you can do anything in your local repo

but trying to "commit" anything from a local repo that's been tampered with outside of commits will result in hash failures and errors and it won't commit

rlemon

hrm.

ok so "no not in a clean way"

allquixotic

that's how they prevent people from injecting code that isn't tracked as a commit, which is seen as a huge security vulnerability

rlemon

7:25 PM

inconsistent indentation in repos bothers me so much

allquixotic

not even clean, but the only way to do it at all is basically to violate the file format of the git repo

or the semantics i guess

@rlemon just fix it and commit it; I don't see the problem

restarting bot with changes from zirak master

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic I awoke on Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:29:17 GMT (that's about 10 seconds ago), learned 32 commands

rlemon

yay those were my changes :)

well... at least I fixed !!welcome from different rooms

allquixotic

@rlemon well i pulled a ton of stuff, my tree was about 2 weeks out of date

rlemon

bot.adapter.out() // I was used for auto greet, but locked into the js room only.

allquixotic

7:31 PM

@rlemon actually I'm not sure if I pulled all your commits :S

actually i did

github.com/allquixotic/SO-ChatBot/commits/master

rlemon

I love his publi.sh script

so sexy. so nice.

even commits+pushes it to the repo

Boris_yo

After 4 years Obama can stay president if he signs what?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo no, he can't stay president

jokerdino

POTUS can only have a maximum of 2 terms.

since 1940s.

rlemon

minus Roosevelt* ofc.

4 terms

after WWII the amendment was made

Boris_yo

7:37 PM

@allquixotic Guy on YouTube said he must sign something 15 err...

rlemon

@Boris_yo

Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Twenty-second Amendment of the United States Constitution sets a term limit for election to the office of President of the United States. Congress passed the amendment on March 21, 1947. It was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 27, 1951. History Historians point to George Washington's decision not to seek a third term as evidence that the founders saw a two-term limit as a bulwark against a monarchy, although his Farewell Address suggests that he was not seeking re-election because of his age. Thomas Jefferson also contributed to the convention of a two-term li...

Boris_yo

►

rlemon

to my knowledge Truman was the only exception because he was in office when the amendment was written.

H.J.Res.13 is a proposal to amend the twenty-second amendment

it won't pass

as it stands he cannot go for another term. if they change the constitution he can. but that is a big if

also you put a lot of faith in a brit who's name is ConspiracyDetective who is talking about the US government :P

his youtube name alone makes me think he is a crackpot. :P

allquixotic

@rlemon they can't even agree to keep basic public services running; how would they ever pass something that controversial as amending the constitution?

rlemon

lol

allquixotic

7:43 PM

we pretty much have to accept that our political system is permanently gridlocked and nothing of note will be able to change for the foreseeable future

rlemon

in fairness Obama was right not to back down during that

Boris_yo

@rlemon Unfortunately conspiracy theorists have their reputation spoiled which only benefits shadow government.

rlemon

@Boris_yo we have a local one in the JS room. he thinks EVERYthing is a conspiracy.

and when you show proof it is all "well that could be made up.. but check out this youtube video! Totally not made up like those legal court documents you just showed me!"

so forgive me when i'm a little "yea yea" about conspiracy theorists

Boris_yo

@rlemon JS?

rlemon

37 mins ago, by rlemon

ಠ_ಠ
<|>
/ω\

really?

JavaScript

Boris_yo

7:46 PM

@rlemon What is room name?

allquixotic

@rlemon unless there is a massive change in the system of dividing congressional districts up in the most retarded ways that basically assure extremely partisan congressional elections (some candidates get as much as 95% of the vote), we're going to be gridlocked for a long, long time

rlemon

JavaScript

SO room not SE

I hate that they are not joined

allquixotic

look at a map of congressional districts sometime... it's laughable... it's like they figured out who's a dem and who's a GOP, and they drew lines connecting together as many of each party as possible to create "blue districts" and "red districts"

if it were, you know, logical, like a bunch of squares, things would be very different

rlemon

@allquixotic my favorite question to ask Americans and people who loosely watch american politics is: How many parties can you choose from?

allquixotic

@rlemon 1

rlemon

7:47 PM

:P

your entire country is convinced if they are not republican they are democrat.

allquixotic

@rlemon there's one congressman who's an independent :O

rlemon

as a Canadian I was VERY worried during the last election. Romney would have caused WW3

allquixotic

@rlemon Obama isn't much better

he really isn't

Boris_yo

@rlemon What is his username?

rlemon

heck, Rosanne Barr ran for president last election

@Boris_yo connor.js

some of the transcript goes back months

@allquixotic he is and he isn't. like every president he is a sockpuppet for large industry

Romney on the other hand was stirring up more of a religious overtone on an already fragile country (when religion vs state is brought up)

allquixotic

7:50 PM

@rlemon he's a bit too friendly with telecoms industry and big internet business, for my tastes

he's practically begging Verizon, AT&T, Google and Amazon et al. to be as evil as humanly possible

Boris_yo

@rlemon Different monster

allquixotic

"please, oh please, huge scary companies, please monopolize the emerging electronic economy!"

rlemon

@allquixotic I was pretty young during the Clinton days.. but even then it was transparent that the POTUS has little to no control over the country. They are a figure head and the scape goat when things go wrong.

allquixotic

@rlemon who forced him to appoint a cable lobbyist as the commissioner of the FCC?

are you saying he lacks free will?

rlemon

no he does not lack free will. but the president is influenced from many sides that we are made to ignore / not see.

I'm not saying he is a great president, I'm just trying to point out how little power presidents actually have over the state of the country.

allquixotic

7:53 PM

@rlemon well, they can sign executive orders with much more sweeping power than ever in history, so I don't know how true that is

Boris_yo

@rlemon Puppets

rlemon

Canadian politics are no better. We are just less 'world news'-ish

allquixotic

the executive can in effect make laws now, which was supposed to be reserved for the legislature

the scope of the things they're able to sign... is the kind of scope that would in the beginning have been a huge violation of the separation of powers and checks and balances

but gradually that scope has widened

Boris_yo

@rlemon You are from CA? This major of Ontario is doing weird stuff.

rlemon

@allquixotic technically he can do a fair amount of things... in reality he never would unless the corps. that run the US economy back his choice to do so.

@Boris_yo lol so much facepalm there

*mayor of Toronto
and yes he is quite a turd

Boris_yo

7:56 PM

@rlemon Maybe major is being mind-controlled...

rlemon

no he is just a moron. I said it when he was elected. hes always been a moron

Boris_yo

@rlemon Why do people elect morons?

allquixotic

@Boris_yo because they think "ooh, that's a fundamental particle; must be pretty smart"

bosons, positrons, neutrons, morons...

wonder what the "spin" on a moron is

rlemon

because unfortunately charismatic people are not always smart, or truthful.

and it usually takes time and giving them more power to recognize that.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic They are susceptible to manipulation and corruption?

rlemon

8:00 PM

In Canada we have never booted an elected official. Which is why we are not kicking him out. The government of Ontario has been systematically removing his staff / pay / power in the hopes he will just leave. He has made it known he will not leave.

so right now his deputy mayor is actually in charge, he is just a public figurehead because he won't step down

Boris_yo

@rlemon Charismatic people - use artifacts for boosting charisma but with a trade-off of lowering intelligence and wisdom.

allquixotic

@Boris_yo like Steve Jobs' Reality-Distorting Dapper Blue Jeans of Convincing?

rlemon

@allquixotic FALSE - everyone knows it was the turtlenecks.