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Bob

00:00

next thing you know you'll need one to use search

time for yahoo to make a comeback, heh

allquixotic

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Bob

!!tell 12955966 no

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

Actually, I wouldn't really mind...

My accounts on SE are what I want possible employers to see.

I wouldn't mind those being linked to my physical identity, tbh.

But my personal, private email/youtube stuff? NO

allquixotic

> Technical details of permanent failure:
DNS Error: Domain name not found

sent email successfully to my gmail but the reverse still doesn't work

Bob

00:02

separation of personal and professional life

something google seems to not fucking understand

Journeyman Geek

lol

Jokes on them. Anything interesting about me is under a psudonym or three

and there's plenty of noise, I share a real name with a fairly (in)famous local lawyer who fights human rights cases.

Bob

:12956081 someone star this for a sec

aww

(I can't make the first star on mobile, which is also pretty stupid)

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I neither confirm nor deny sentience. I mean being a dog.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek just hope someone targeting him doesn't mix it up

sooo... JSLint...

1	Expected exactly one space between 'function' and '('.	var readRules = function(rules) {

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

00:06

@Bob: it would be the government, and in that case I can get my namesake to defend me. That or plot a cunning escape from the dogpound.

allquixotic

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terdon

01:00

Guys, we have a very nice mod over on English Language & Usage who is very serious about hats and needs help. Too shy to post here directly but if anyone has the time, it'be great if you could simply view (it's a views hat) this question:

19

Q: What does the fox say?

It is true that as a fox, I should know this, so consider this a spoilers warning. In a recent post, Geek Girl mentions that the mating call of the fox is a series of sharp, eerie barks and that this is called gekkering. This is supported by a citation in Wikipedia, but the reference is not one ...

(she did not ask me to do this)

Bob

...

!!foxno

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

hey look another fox gravatar :D

terdon

@Bob that's a nice one, hadn't seen it

allquixotic

01:19

@Bob :D thought you might do that

now the emails from StartCom CertMaster start rolling in

Bob

lol

allquixotic

01:30

at least they're fast

> Could you please send us your driver license or birth certificate? (The employe card is not really working for us)

!!meme okay

ChatBot John Cavil

Bob

@allquixotic o.O

> not really working for us

> Are you certain?

allquixotic

@Bob I think what they mean is that it isn't an acceptable form of ID

Bob

@allquixotic The way they phrased it sounds really unsure :P

allquixotic

you'd think they'd be a little more sure considering how well-known they are ("cheapest SSL in town")

Bob

01:38

@allquixotic also kinda new

I don't think they're on XP

allquixotic

just got a call from a guy with a very heavy accent verifying my stuff... sounded central European

they're working pretty fast

it might be a low period of activity for people doing new validations

Bob

@allquixotic they're based in Israel

if you can't do the phone validation, they apparently send registered mail from there, too

allquixotic

@Bob phone validation done -- had a bit of a problem understanding him, but it worked out in the end

I always wonder how they get trustworthy people to do these validations, etc... obviously StartCom wouldn't be in the trust chain for Windows, Mac and Linux (and Firefox) if they weren't at least somewhat trustworthy and audited and such, but the employees could do so much damage with the info they are exposed to

they might have something similar to what the defense sector does for highly sensitive information

Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility

In United States security and intelligence parlance, a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF; pronounced "skiff") is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) types of classified information. SCI is classified information concerning or derived from intelligence sources, methods, or analytical processes, which is required to be handled within formal access control systems established by the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). Some entire buildings are SCIFs where all but the front foyer is secure. Access to SCIFs i...

Bob

02:03

> The Bureau of Statistics identifies "broadband" speeds as anything more than 256 kilobits per second.

...

allquixotic

looks like my hopes of EV are basically zero

> StartSSL™ Extended Validation certificates are currently restricted to corporations, business entities, government entities and other legally established organizations.

that's okay, that just means my binaries will randomly break in 2 years

ekaj

02:24

Question, how often do you all back up, how big are the backups on average, and how long do you keep each backup?

Bob

02:37

@allquixotic no prob! :P

(the only thing that would really hinder is redistribution, no?)

@ekaj ask me again in... 6 hours

ekaj

haha =p

Bob

I think I have something like a 200 GB system image, and daily incrementals (full every week) of my documents of maybe 1 GB each (complete guess)?

You'll have to ask me later for concrete numbers

also a couple of full images of laptops, totaling maybe 1 TB

ekaj

I was asking because of this question... Windows says not to use snapshots on production machines and definitely not to back up databases, so even 50 seems like a bit of overkill: superuser.com/questions/696285/…

Bob

and photo backups, totaling maybe 40 GB

@ekaj snapshots of VMs are very different from traditional backups

ekaj

I know

similar in some ways =p

Bob

02:40

also, incremental saves a lot of space

I maybe have 50 MB of changes, max, in my documents

ekaj

Agreed, you wouldn't want to backup 200GB each time

Bob

by using incremental backup, I'm saving many gigabytes every week

ekaj

What util do you use for backups?

Bob

I haven't had to delete any yet, but my 2 TB backup destination is approaching capacity

@ekaj Acronis True Image at home

currently using BackupAssist on a server at one workplace, though that's an old version (Server 2003) - we're looking at moving to Roxio Retrospect

ekaj

I need to start backing up, especially my software/iso/music/movies =p

Bob

02:42

Acronis is decent

I'm using the paid version, though

ekaj

Acronis is paid, right?

Bob

I've tried the Windows builtin backup, and I'd advise to avoid it

ekaj

Our school uses Cobian for staff

Bob

too opaque

I like to know where the backups are going

@ekaj Yea, it's paid.

It does have a trial.

Others are free, but generally don't have good incremental support

or tend to be a little unpolished

for backups, what I really want is a set and forget

if I have to pay $50, so be it

ekaj

Does it back up via wifi, is this a tower with two drives, what do you do?

Journeyman Geek

02:44

@Bob: actually windows 7 backup is 'just' a image + incremental backups that are zipped up

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I know.

Journeyman Geek

also, I'd use VERY different backup stratergies for system and data files

Bob

But you can't choose the increment period.

It seems somewhat random.

ekaj

@JourneymanGeek how so?

Bob

I've had some over a month, some two months, some two days.

@ekaj Mine is a secondary drive on the same machine.

My current setup is RAID 1 (mirror) for OS + data (2x 2TB), 2TB backup, 2TB scratch data, 1.5TB scratch external

Journeyman Geek

02:46

'file' level backups for data - something like bvckup 2 (currently a free beta, though I'll happily pay the 20 quid for it) or bitorrent sync (very nice for 'cloudish' backups), and windows backup for system files

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I just dislike how Windows backup is handled.

Journeyman Geek

so I can use the windows backup to get a running system with my applications, and my file level backups would help me get my personal files synced to the latest

Bob

Especially in Win8, it just screams "dodgy"

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: hence me saying windows 7 backup ;p

Bob

I considered moving to bvckup on your suggestion

didn't see it during my original research

but now that Acronis is all set up, I'd rather just leave it

Journeyman Geek

02:47

I consider them different sorts of backup

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the fact that they call it "Windows 7 backup", and considering their track record (dropping support for the XP bkf format entirely) is concerning

Journeyman Geek

I don't need constant system backups, just reliable ones

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ya.

Different strategies, but you don't have to use different programs.

I have two backups defined for my main system in Acronis

one is a "one-off" for the system image

the other is a scheduled for the file incremental, and it's only the important files selected

I don't want to be backing up redundant GBs of non-critical data all the time

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I also fairly regularly sling around 100gb audio file collections ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek those aren't backed up :P

ekaj

02:49

.bkfs.. meh

Bob

I just happen to have copies on my desktop, laptop and phone

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I've survived 2 HDDs going sour in the same week.

Music files are important ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, been considering a move to Spotify anyway :P

if only they didn't use p2p

but, yea, my music isn't explicitly backed up

I just happen to have multiple copies

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: a lot of this is lossless.

Bob

come to think of it, it's the most likely to survive the event of a house fire

I don't really have an offsite

Journeyman Geek

02:51

@Bob: neither do I ;p

Bob

no where really to put a HDD

and internet connection is crap

Journeyman Geek

but getting offsite backups would be trivial with my setup ;p

Bob

hm?

eh, I could easily set up a remote drive on that dedi (it has 1 TB)

the problem is trying to upload anything substantial at these speeds

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: two things - ipv6 (if necessary) and bitorrentsync (which gives me a way to move large numbers of files reliably between systems)

I'm actually testing this with a friend who needs something thats ~80gb that I have ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I don't see what ipv6 has to do with it, and btsync is meaningless - I can do the same over FTP or rsync or SCP or any number of protocols

the problem is I can only upload at maybe 30kB/s without impacting anything else

50kB/s if I want to push it

80kB/s if I want to kill all other connections

Journeyman Geek

02:54

@Bob: rsync yes

ipv6 means that my systems at home have consistant, globally routable IP addresses

so I can rsync or connect to my btsync admin console without needing to port forward.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh. I've had a static ipv4 for over 5 years now, including a house move

I don't think we specifically requested one, but we have one

Journeyman Geek

btsync basically provides me a config free, error correcting way to throw files around.

Bob

(it did change at one point a few years ago, but changed back a few months later)

@JourneymanGeek and rather chatty too

Journeyman Geek

I can deal with chatty ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the dedi that is a potential target has five IPs

but this is all pointless when it'll take a good year to upload a system image

Journeyman Geek

02:56

@Bob: oh, I mean if I was using my home systems as backup targets

Bob

@JourneymanGeek chatty is crap for large upload

Journeyman Geek

I'll let you know how it was once my friend starts downloading ;p

Bob

the advantage of bt is multiple connections

for point to point, I don't think it would be as effective

allquixotic

spotify:track:2fkmmlI7E8OsogEnQLXr6X or open.spotify.com/track/2fkmmlI7E8OsogEnQLXr6X

Bob

@allquixotic so what is it?

Sathya

03:09

allquixotic

@Sathya I'm pretty sure you should also find a question it's a duplicate of, to round it out

Sathya

ikr.. same thoughts

I'm pretty sure there is a dupe..

Bob

@Sathya link to the question?

never mind, found it

must. find. duplicate.

@Sathya @allquixotic is this close enough?

maybe too much of a stretch :(

Bob

03:39

> Yup, MS-DOS 4.0 patched the running windows binary to make sure Windows would still continue to work.

O.O

blogs.msdn.com/b/larryosterman/archive/2004/08/12/213681.aspx

ekaj

Does this make sense? pastie.org/8595271

*disk speed at the end, not space though if anyone bothered to read

Bob

@ekaj yea.

pretty much why you shouldn't have incremental backups going back too far either

there's also the increased risk of corruption at any point

allquixotic

> Yup, MS/Linux 4.0 patched the running Xserver binary to make sure Windows would still continue to work.

Gowtham

04:13

techcrunch.com/2014/01/02/…

Bob

05:07

holy mother of

@allquixotic careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/44978/…

> Expert C# .NET development skills with an understanding of the CLR and writing web applications (5+ years)

> Expert Objective-C (iOS) and Java (Android) mobile development skills (3+ years)

> Expert with ASP.NET MVC development (3+ years)

> Strong SQL development skills with an understanding of how database systems work internally

> Strong in HTML/CSS/JavaScript for front-end development

> Experience with Server Operations (“devops”) on both Windows and Linux using tools such as Ansible, Saltstack, Puppet/Chef

that's just half of what's required

and then desirable includes:

> Experience with C++, Node.JS

might as well say "knows every language in the world" -_-

Journeyman Geek

this is about the wierdest game I have ever played.

well, DLC. It outwierded the actual game.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek which game?

annnd now I just realised it's been five years since VS2008

I feel old :(

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: saints row IV, enter the dominatrix.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, what the hell did you expect? :P

Journeyman Geek

if this had been the original game, it would have been the most totally whacked out thing ever.

it still is.

I might be wrong tho. There's another DLC....

Bob

05:22

1329

Q: Why does HTML think “chucknorris” is a color?

How come certain random strings produce various colors when entered as background colors in HTML? For example: <body bgcolor="chucknorris"> test </body> ...produces a document with a red background across all browsers and platforms. Interestingly, while chucknorri produces a red background as...

html background-color

allquixotic

@Bob unless you've already been in a job where you've been doing all those things at once, you probably aren't going to have enough years in your productive professional life to be able to do each of those things individually (especially the iOS and Android part as it contrasts with the platforms typically used for .NET)

sounds like they want to hire one person to implement the entire shebang... if you hired the right person it'd work, but it's less risky to hire 2-3 people with fairly focused expertise (a .NET dev, an iOS dev, an Android dev, at the very least)

they use a lot of complicated technologies in their stack, which makes it look like a nightmare to work on

fails the "quiet working conditions" part of the Joel test. that's a dealbreaker for me... can't stand current job because it's so noisy

unless they mean the sound of your CPU fan ;p

Bob

@allquixotic also, the workload... ouch!

@allquixotic heh, it's usually fairly quiet here... until that day they tried testing some rack servers

sounded like a hurricane moving through

blog.shinetech.com/2011/08/26/…

^

allquixotic

@Bob I don't know about you, but I work best when I'm not doing too many projects at once -- especially if I have to constantly provide status updates whenever people happen to walk by and want to know what's up with their pet project -- I have to take time to convince them that I'm on schedule instead of just getting work done

Bob

that's the problem you had with zombie

@allquixotic hey, I didn't say I was interested in that job :P

I wonder what it pays, though

meh. I'm happy where I am

allquixotic

@Bob I could be pleasantly surprised and maybe they are actually willing to shell out real money for that kind of a self-starter who can do everything, but cynically, chances are, they want a rockstar and they're probably going to pay them in peanuts

Bob

05:34

@allquixotic Ahem:

> We are looking for a Senior Full-Stack Engineer rockstar...

O.O

1284

Q: Cycles in family tree software

I am the developer of some family tree software (written in C++ and Qt). I had no problems until one of my customers mailed me a bug report. The problem is that he has two children with his own daughter, and, as a result, he can't use my software because of errors. Those errors are the result of...

c++ graph cycle assertions family-tree

allquixotic

@Bob it would be good if they were hiring a whole team of those guys, but it sounds like they're putting most or all of their eggs in one basket

Journeyman Geek

o0

ekaj

Interesting

allquixotic

@Bob maybe so, but "the document object doesn't exist yet" hardly inspires confidence, especially when every single way I tried of making it wait for the document to start existing ended up doing nothing

was I supposed to write a busy loop that would suck up CPU time until the document is ready?

I can't think of any single-threaded or multi-threaded, synchronous or asynchronous, blocking or non-blocking solution to "the browser.document object is undefined", except to not run that line of code until after the engine has completed whatever processing it needs to do to define it

and since every single form of delay that I tried produced no delay at all, we're at an impasse

Bob

@allquixotic no, you were supposed to put everything that requires the wait into a callback function

allquixotic

05:42

@Bob I tried that, and it didn't wait a single millisecond

Bob

@allquixotic I must have missed that, then

allquixotic

I tried a wait with a callback function and a timeout of a million milliseconds and it instantly executed inside the callback

Bob

because the code you pasted used sleep(), which is asynchronous, and then put everything after it

allquixotic

I tried about 15 different things after I posted that

I think zombie.js just plain doesn't work with SE's chat... it's too advanced for it to parse, I guess

and there haven't been any commits on it in 2 months, so it's not exactly sizzling hot

with 176 open issues

Bob

@allquixotic what, browser.wait(1000, function() {yourstuffhere}); ?

allquixotic

05:45

@Bob yeah, exactly -- yourstuffhere was executed immediately, irrespective of how large the integer supplied in the first parameter

Bob

huh.

allquixotic

try it, you'll see... who knows you might be able to spot a bug, I'm not claiming my code was perfect

but my hunch is that zombie.js just sucks

Bob

> Even with completion function, the browser won't wait forever. It will complete as soon as it determines there are no more events to wait for, or after 5 seconds of waiting (you can change this with maxWait option).

you can always hack it with setTimeout :P

allquixotic

I set maxWait to a billion milliseconds (I assume that's the unit they're using) and it didn't change anything

I think it was running it because it determined that there are no more events to wait for

Bob

@allquixotic setTimeout shouldn't care

allquixotic

05:48

which basically means that the actual, fully loaded document of SE chat was undefined

which is laughably stupid, but that's jsdom/zombiejs for you

Bob

also, di...waitwhat

uhm. the document wasn't undefined when I tried it

@allquixotic you're still stuck on that error?

Dec 31 '13 at 4:41, by Bob

perhaps use browser.window.document there instead?

document is not supposed to be defined in the global scope

allquixotic

it's only in the zombiejs API...

Bob

swapping all references to document for browser.window.document fixes that

allquixotic

zombie.labnotes.org/API

Bob

then I lost track of what happened cause I had to leave around that time

allquixotic

05:51

ctrl-f for browser.document

Bob

@allquixotic that might work too

but document by itself won't

use browser.window.document or browser.document

allquixotic

@Bob I know. I fixed that bug and it was still erroring out.

Bob

ah.

yea, I wasn't keeping up past that point

but nothing about document being undefined

rather, the error I last saw was the xpath expression not finding the target

allquixotic

i think i found a way to hack around that too

i ended up forcing a bunch of URLs down its throat

Bob

Dec 31 '13 at 4:44, by Bob

Error: No target element (note: call with selector/element, event name and callback)
    at Browser.fire (/home/bob/node_modules/zombie/lib/zombie/browser.js:311:13)
    at /home/bob/chatbot/SO-ChatBot/runner.js:29:13

that was the last one I saw

allquixotic

05:53

not even looking at the document, just visiting the URLs

can you post your latest code if you have a working copy?

Bob

I still have no idea where you got an undefined document

allquixotic

we really need a github gist for this D:

Bob

@allquixotic again, I'm at work :\

never did get the websocket thing set up

I'll be home in maybe 90 mins

allquixotic

you mean gateone?

oh, I'll be asleep long before then

Bob

@allquixotic yea

@allquixotic :(

well, it's saturday tomorrow

and you wake up around 1 AM here

allquixotic

05:55

lol

Bob

eh, not like I needed sleep anyway :D

allquixotic

i do though, in all likelihood the snow won't be enough to keep me away from work tomorrow

i might work on zombie over my weekend, but phantomjs is working, so my motivation to work on the zombie port is.... diminished

of course it would greatly simplify things

everything running in node is simpler than java and phantomjs

Bob

@allquixotic probably halve mem usage too

Java doesn't exactly do wonders on the efficiency front.

allquixotic

i have very little running in java, and memory isn't a huge concern anymore now that Xrdp is gone

but node will probably even be less CPU

sleeptime

night

the fox says meow

Bob

@allquixotic night

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