@Bob nice

Looks awesome on an OLED display too, with those incredibly smooth inky blacks

@cat Its kinda the best case for showing off a good monitor

lots of contrast and the pretty colours

@Bob amusingly, my wallpaper is... grey

@cat :(

Even IPS has some bleed :(

@JourneymanGeek ...I'm just using the win10 default

which actually looks pretty nice :P

dammit

I want a 1080 :(

but nvidia is like !!no

@allquixotic That's the point where you get custom ones...

@Bob OMG I just thought to myself I want that as a screensaver too!!! It's amazing that those are actual photographs and not an artist's rendering. Entirely realistic (actually real). And at 1440p on my monitor it looks amazing (the vertical pixels are the same as my monitor) minus the letterboxing ;p

I've been having DPC latency issues on Win10 ever since I got my 1080; mitigated it somewhat by eliminating the #1 cause of hard page faults -- PerfectDisk -- and the #2 cause of DPC latency -- ReadyBoost ;p now all that remains is the #1 cause of DPC latency, the Nvidia driver.

@allquixotic tbh, I'd be happy with a rendered version. It just looks awesome :D

overclock.net/t/1605618/…

@allquixotic :(

having fewer drivers with high latency DPC made SWTOR significantly more playable in "busy" scenes than it was before

hopefully an upcoming nvidia driver (or perhaps if it's a Microsoft issue, the Anniversary Update) will address the problem

@allquixotic "playable" is not a word I'd use to describe most games at 4k with a GTX 760 -_-

@Bob lol

yeah, 4k60 is a few more pixels per second than my 3440x1440@100 :P

I want a GTX 1080.

I paid $1200 for one.

But they're out of stock everywhere :S

I'd probably be able to use this screen pretty well on a 980, for all except, like, Star Citizen and Crysis 4 and ARK

Well, more accurately, the MSI ones are. They have the Asus Strix in stock but it's some 15mm too long to fit...

but the 1080 really opens up high end gaming on 4k and near-4k pps counts

And Founder's Edition costs more, is louder, and has poorer performance...

Gah.

@Bob I have a Zotac Founder's Edition

@allquixotic Looking at benchmarks, it might just scrape a pass.

Some games do 60 FPS, many still dip to 50 or even 40.

Metro Last Light apparently does 22 FPS...

@allquixotic But you bought in before the AIB versions came out.

I don't think the Founder's Edition is any slower than the aftermarket ones; yes, it might be louder and have less overclocking room, but at stock speeds it should be equal to or even better than the non-FE cards because they are apparently binned a bit better

LinusTechTips vids have shown the board partners' custom boards to do nothing for performance at stock speeds, and even factory OCed ones didn't impress... 1 extra FPS at most

@allquixotic But I'm talking the overclocked AIB ones.

I suppose you could manually overclock a FE card.

Still not a fan of the cooler design :\

@Bob yeah, and the FE cards should have room for OCing, especially if you have decent airflow in your case and can dissipate a little more heat / keep the ambients inside your case down to manageable levels

the fan might get louder, but like I said, I have noise-cancelling on-ear headphones and loud air circulation fans in my room that drown out any possible PC noise

I literally can't hear this fan running on Medium and pointed right at me with my headphones on my ears, noise cancelling on, and no sound playing:

vornado.com/circulators/660-Circulator (Vornado high airspeed fan)

@allquixotic Eh, more than that. Even at 4k. Depends on game, of course.

Much bigger gap at 1080p but it doesn't matter so much there because it's well above 60 already.

@Bob I'm sure I could match the clock settings of that card on my FE and get the same perf and not be able to hear the increased noise, but I really can't be arsed because games run so well in general anyway

@allquixotic I'm iffy about manually overclocking cards :P

@Bob I'm not; they expect people to overclock the FE. the only questions are: How good is your case cooling vs. how much heat is dissipated by your other components (this determines how much cooling you get from the condenser fan that sucks in air from the case and blows it out the back); and, What's your ambient air temperature.

Suppose I could go for the MSI Armor series. Same cooler as Gaming X, without the overclocking? I think.

Assuming a fairly "good" gaming-grade cooling solution and a room that's not sweltering hot (air conditioned / climate controlled), you can probably get a goodly amount of overclocking headroom on the FE

Unfortunately, MSI Armor basically isn't available in AU.

If I want the MSI cooler I pretty much have to pay the extra for the Gaming X.

Or get one shipped in.

I haven't looked at the specific cards you're referencing, but I recall that many AIB cooling solutions have fans (1, 2, or even 3) that dump waste heat into the case, with little or no waste heat venting out the back of the case...

I don't like that design at all, personally

@allquixotic Basically, if I want local I'm gonna have to wait. If I buy from the US, I could probably snag one of the AIB FE-clones (not an actual FE). But I don't think that's a great choice at the moment.

you need a really fantastic case cooling solution for that to give you OC headroom, compared to venting the waste heat to the much larger heat sink of your entire room/house

@allquixotic Yea, the ones I'm talking about do dump heat into the case.

Not good for SLI, or small cases.

But I think mine has alright airflow.

it just doesn't make sense to me to intentionally dump your heat into a hotter, more constrained environment and give your case cooling more work to do, which it may or may not be able to handle adequately

when the alternative of venting it out the back is readily available, and indeed, Nvidia's default

it's like saying "I want to make cooling my card harder, on purpose :D"

Oh, I forgot to ask. Does the FE passively cool when idle? I assume it does...

@Bob you mean with fan off?

@allquixotic Yea.

what's idle? even viewing the fan speed causes paints at some level and some parts of the GPU to activate since even GDI+ takes the 3d rendering path of the card (AFAIK) on Win10

do I have to close all programs, start GPU-Z, watch fan speed, then minimize all programs and watch the desktop while waiting? :P

or lock my screen with GPU-Z running and wait for my monitor to turn off?

I have a GPU core temp of 40 C with Chrome, Steam, VMware, Notepad++, Skype and GPU-Z running, with no video actively playing and RA up, and the fan is running at 27%

GPU Load says 0%

with tiny spikes into the 10-20% range for a few msec during updates to chat ;p

Hm. Looks like modern blowers aren't quite as loud as I'd thought.

core clock at 139, mem clock at 101.3 MHz

@allquixotic For comparison, the MSI card does not run fans under 60 deg C.

I think Asus does the same.

Which helps cause I leave my computer on overnight near where I sleep :P

@Bob that's kind of a chicken and egg problem, isn't it? if you don't run the fan, it'll get hotter, possibly even to 60 C.

@allquixotic Nah, it stays some 30-35 when idle on desktop, according to benchmarks.

though you can customize the fan speeds at various temps (even in a non-linear fashion if you so choose) using various apps, IIRC... wasn't that one of the hallmarks of the 1080?

Obviously depends on room temp, but I'd expect it to stay within 10 deg of that.

wait, 35-40. I misremembered.

Basically, anything you can do on an iGPU probably shouldn't cause the fan to kick in.

@Bob with what room temp and case ambient temp? keep in mind I have a Micro ATX case with a lot of hot components packed in there (the RAID card dissipates a fair amount of heat and has no on-board cooling besides a small heatsink that dumps into the case; it expects case airflow to keep it cool)

and my room ambient temp is 25 -- a few degrees warmer than many people with A/C on

> These tests have been performed with a 20~21 Degrees C room temperature

You'd still fit under 60 easy, probably under 50.

@Bob yeah, 5 C cooler than my room

guru3d.com/articles_pages/…

They're actually peak temps, too. Not average.

@allquixotic Oh, also its peak under load is 70 vs 82 on the FE...

@Bob given that modern high-end VRMs are built to withstand 105-110 C (sustained) over their expected lifespan, and the GPU core and memory is built to withstand 95-100 C sustained, I don't see 82 as a problem in any way

@allquixotic Never said it was a problem :P

Just an interesting thing to note, especially if you're planning to OC.

I think the blower that vents out the back of the card ends up being better if you have inferior case cooling or if your case cooling is near the limit of how much heat it can thermodynamically dissipate without getting case temps up to unhealthy levels

which is much more likely on my small case than a full ATX case

@allquixotic Better for SLI and tiny cases, then, yea.

even if I had the PCIe lanes on my Z170M motherboard for two x8 dual slot GPUs (I don't, but IF I did), I don't think my R9 280X (dumping heat into the case) and HD7970 (blower out the back) would have been able to operate effectively in this case ;p

not enough heat dissipation

and thinking about it logically, a lot of people who can afford an early release FE and are willing to overpay for it would probably be the same people who will get SLI :P

so the blower fan makes a lot of sense there because you don't want the fans from one card heating the one below it with its waste heat... yuck

@allquixotic I'm actually kiiiinda thinking about SLI later but that would need a new mobo

and $$$ for a second GPU

@XKCD LOL

anyone ever come across a device called a fiery?

o_O

"dog whistle" - more phones need to have this ;p

Goodbye money, it was nice knowing you... :-(

its connected to our printer and anyone on windows can't print to it

its a pokemon colorprintingforum.com/fiery_RIP/…

any clue on how to get it installed via the network for win7?

er, no. I just googled that assuming it was a hacking tool

fiery?

Print to a fiery that's attached to another printer? :-o

I'm confused

Oh this thing?

efi.com/en-gb/products/fiery-servers-and-software

dammit, @allquixotic, now you have me second-guessing my GPU choice -_-

@cat, yes

@allquixotic Yeah, blower is decent for that

@Bob Lol, and I didn't? :-(

@cat Well, he actually has one :P

Ah

And you just said get SLI 1070s instead

He was talking about getting a blower cooler instead of the open-air I chose

Ah

Speaking of which, @cat, blower or open-air for you? Or no preference?

Well I was saying SLI 1070's is almost cheaper and much faster, making the 1080 a bad value for money choice

(for single-card)

But mah shiny :(

@Bob Er whatever's cheaper? :-P My flatmate has a GTX 780 with open air fans in a mini-iTX case, and it's meh. He'd prefer a blower.

Eh, I've got a mid-ATX tower with somewhat decent airflow... hm.

My GT 8600 was open, 5870 blower, 290x blower, GTX 970 open. That said the last two I was planning on watercooling anyway

AMD's blowers (and apparently NVidia's latest blower) can be noisy, that aside I find blowers are superior to open ones in every other way but noise

@cat Yea, I got turned off turbine-style fans after the TI HAWK :\

Two disadvantages of open fans, half the air gets pushed against your motherboard, the other half goes towards the side of the case... where many cases have an intake fan, this just recirculating it backwards.

chat.stackexchange.com/…

:\

@cat Also apparently the blowers don't do purely passive cooling.

And if your mainboard sticks the M.2 SSD slots below the PCIe 16x slot that means 80'c air being blown against your SSD... a recipe for thermal throttling

lol

I used to do that with my PC in another room

@Bob IIRC that's correct, but at minimum they're basically inaudible anyway.

Hm.

(now I just leave the linux box on)

Stop making my choice harder! :P

If you're hardcore you can power down the card entirely via ACPI and the fans and everything else go off as if it were in standby/hibernate

=> leaving no video :P

some kind of semi-sleep mode? does that even work?

@Bob If it's on overnight, and you're asleep, what do you need video for?

@cat True :P

Hmmmmm.

Well, the open-air MSI card is actually cheaper than a FE card.

but there are AIB blowers that are basically FE design without the branding that come in a bit cheaper

FE is even more overpriced than normal -_-

I wouldn't say open air coolers are terrible tbh

Just that I personally see no advantage to them

I haven't actually used modern blowers, so they might be quieter.

Apparently guru3d measured them just 1 dBa higher than the open-air :\

Even the AMD R9 290x one, which basically had the reputation for being the worst blower ever... wasn't that bad

The TI HAWK wasn't even a blower

it was just a loud-as-all-hell turbine-style fan

Sure it sounded like a vacuum cleaner if you manually set it to 100%, but the default BIOS limits it to like 30 or 40% depending on if it was in "quiet" or "performance" mode

This?

Ya

My GTX 970's stock fans were extremely similar. And very quiet.

@cat Notice the curve

Yeah, newer, quieter, better, etc. And those will turn off at idle too.

I had a Twin Frozr II GTX 560, got a Twin Frozr III GTX 560 Ti to replace it when a fan failed

However I've ripped off all the cooling and attached a full coverage waterblock, so I don't get to hear them

The Twin Frozr II had similar curved fans

And was reasonably quiet

It was pretty much a direct replacement, and so bloody loud I throttled the damn thing

Then fixed the 560's fan and switched back.

I still have like £250 worth of noise dampening materials I've never used, cause as soon as I fitted watercooling it became too quiet to hear.

@Bob I have a GT 8600 in my work PC now, and the fan is annoying

@cat The older design was quieter too.

That's why they went back in the new ones -_-

It's not super loud, but it's loud enough to hear at all times, even when idle. It basically sounds like a laptop fan at full throttle, all the time, slightly dampened by the big case surrounding it

> Your reservation is booked and confirmed. There is no need to call us to reconfirm this reservation.

Yay

Now what do I do with this mess of 3 unconfirmed bookings and 15 flights in my account >_>

Cancel all the things!

They auto-cancel in 8 hours or something.

(72 hour price hold for £5)