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12:33 AM

@Bob: "Anchorage bought Dick Smith from Woolworths for $20 million and made $500 million after floating it on the stock exchange nine months later."

I guess we know where all the money went...

Bob

@MichaelFrank lol, yea, they were all talking about that during the whole administration process

Michael Frank

That's a bloody good flip though.

PUNS

I'm curious about this Honestly company. ;) — Michael Frank 14 secs ago

Journeyman Geek

hm

I'm trying to figure out if something belongs here, or Android ;p

I hate it when I don't know if a question is on topic on my own site

ahh. I think it would be

might be two questions augh

Bob

1:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek what's the question?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob working out when/how a usb c cable is safe

measuring resistance seems trivial

IF I could find my multimeter

picking up one of these >_> dx.com/p/…

I'll be double checking it with ampere once I get it

and yes, that's a very wierd USB type A connector

Psycogeek

still trying to find a sealed drive, for reasonable price, and noticed the WD RED nas of the 8T variety is a 5400 (green) drive, but looks sealed like the helium. But i am not finding anywhere if it is helium. WD also sells the gold datacenter and it definately is, and high priced too.

Journeyman Geek

also, apparently there's an app for the two new nexuses that would check cables for you ._.

Psycogeek

they are so thrilled with thier Nas software , that most people would be tossing out :-) that they left out the hardware info.

JMK

1:36 AM

morning/afternoon/evening all

does anybody know if the intel NUC takes laptop RAM?

Journeyman Geek

@JMK all NUC class machines do

JMK

@JourneymanGeek cool

Journeyman Geek

I don't own an 'intel' nuc, but my gigabyte brix, asrock beebox and thinkpad x220 use the same DDR3 laptop ram. Newer nucs might be DDR4

JMK

I have a laptop with an Hewlett-Packard 18A5 (U3E1) mobo

Journeyman Geek

also, you can't fit desktop ram into a NUC formfactor

JMK

1:39 AM

could I buy an intel NUC and transplant the ram and ssd into it?

the SSD is a standard 2.5" drive

support.hp.com/us-en/document/c00257657

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I would've recommended Blitzwolf as a more trustworthy brand: banggood.com/…

Journeyman Geek

@Bob yeah, tacked it on as a aftertthought on another order

@JMK assuming its a NUC that takes a 2.5" drive

there's some that are msata/m.2 only

JMK

@JourneymanGeek ah do some not?

Journeyman Geek

@JMK that is correct

JMK

gotcha, thanks

do the units which don't take 2.5" drives take msata drives instead?

Journeyman Geek

1:45 AM

yes,

er

something smells funny about that ram

how old is that system?

JMK

it's not new

2012~ish

but still really fast

I'm not a gamer, just a coder

fast for Visual Studio, maybe slow for anything else

would the ram still work in a NUC?

hm just reading the link I sent across

I have 16GB ram

it says max 2GB

took the mobo reading from speccy...

@JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

er

that's totally not the system you linked XD

JMK

maybe Speccy is a bit hungover

lol

Journeyman Geek

or you are. You linked an AMD based desktop ;p

something else worth considering

many NUCs only have one ram slot

you'd need a core iX model or a beebox, depending on your needs

JMK

ok I'm an idiot

haha

apologies

Journeyman Geek

1:54 AM

and it wouldn't be a big upgrade over this in either case I suspect

JMK

I'm asking because I use the laptop basically as a PC

don't even use the screen

seems like it would make more sense to have an actual PC

and the NUC's seem cool, especially because it seems as though I could transplant the ram/ssd, and also hook up a 4k monitor

worth it @JourneymanGeek or waste of money?

Journeyman Geek

@JMK I use mine as a low power, always on, semi headless system

4k monitors are going to be hard to drive 'right' (4k60)

JMK

even if just coding?

Journeyman Geek

I don't think there would be measurable, substancial improvement unless you went for the higher end of stuff

ya

JMK

right ok

thanks for the advice!

much appreciated!

@JourneymanGeek

would my best bet just to be build an up to date pc?

Journeyman Geek

2:04 AM

IMO, yeah

JMK

cool

been sort of wanting to do that anyway

Journeyman Geek

tho your recycling prospects would be limited

you can reuse the drive... and that's about it

JMK

gotcha

Journeyman Geek

IIRC skylake would do 4k

JMK

right ok cool

is the cpu important with 4k?

or just the gpu?

Journeyman Geek

2:06 AM

er. Not particularly

JMK

but it helps

Journeyman Geek

but skylake's onboard gpu does 4k60

JMK

?

ok so I could i3/i5 with decent gpu?

Journeyman Geek

you wouldn't need a seperate GPU for non gaming purposes

JMK

again I'm not gaming

right ok

but it would help

lol cool

Journeyman Geek

2:07 AM

errrr

I'd basically build the rest of my box

JMK

gotcha

Journeyman Geek

then buy a video card if performance annoyed me ;p

JMK

makes sense :)

thanks!

long term I want to go the Jeff Atwood route and have three 4k

blog.codinghorror.com/our-brave-new-world-of-4k-displays

lol

but....baby steps

Journeyman Geek

oh, THEN you need a beefy video card

I'm dual 4k ;)

JMK

nice one

a colleague of mine has 1 4K and a couple of other screens

the 4k works so well with Visual Studio

definitely the future

Journeyman Geek

2:13 AM

IMO its about 4-5 years from being common

but the key building blocks are there in the midrange

JMK

yes totally

very cool!

Journeyman Geek

(some may disagree. you have a 60hz refresh range at best - and some folks here find that inadequate)

@Bob You need to watch this on your new monitor youtube.com/watch?v=5ndU8XuUaOI

JMK

ha I use a Plugable usb dongle for my secondary screens

Journeyman Geek

XD

JMK

not sure about the fps but still usable

still want to get a decent graphics card on the go, though

Journeyman Geek

2:24 AM

I think that would drive a lot of the people here crazy

JMK

haha

probably

thankyou for the advice, will definitely action

@JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

lol

no need to ping me if you know I'm here XD

JMK

appreciated!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You'll have to remind me in about 6 hours...

@JourneymanGeek Oh yea, CS:GO runs surprisingly well on 4k - at least until you run into smoke or explosion effects. Sudden massive FPS dip :(

I was targeting 100, but might have to push it up to 150 normal. Cause even at 100 normal explosions drop it to 40-ish.

Or maybe upgrade my 760 :P

hmmmmmmmm ~$500-$600 for a 1070

Journeyman Geek

hm. double fail

I cut my old sim card the wrong way

then trimmed off the corner again

and it works

now I lost the sim card removal tool

Bob

2:37 AM

wtf

ok

so I'm tunneling through my server in Canada (OVH)

Microsoft thinks it's in Brazil

Amazon thinks it's in India

?!?!

geoip says it's in Montreal, Canada

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

Hey guys, I've heard a ton of youtubers complaining that random people have been able to social engineer their cellular provider into programming a new SIM card with the victim's account, and giving it to them to put in the attacker's phone. From there they can often use a combination of SMS, call history, and various things you get "for free" just by holding a phone that identifies as a certain number, to hack other accounts from there. And so on.
I know organizations like the Social Security Administration have specific mechanisms in place to alert them that you might have reason to expec…

(should mention that calling from the number registered on the account also acts as a huge social engineering lever, too, even if you aren't able to directly access the credential you need)

Bob

@allquixotic O_O

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

I suspect your current audience in this room won't know much about US telcos :P

Journeyman Geek

2:41 AM

@allquixotic sounds plausible

the social engineering bit

Bob

Sounds weird, really.

Not only would it have to be rather targeted, how do you convince the telco to ship a SIM out to a new address?

Journeyman Geek

but if someone 'stole' your sim card, your current sim card would go inactive

Bob

Though, I suppose if you say you're traveling... hm. Even then rather dodgy.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob might be possible to do it in store

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Without showing ID of some sort?

Guess it depends how lax their policies and employees are.

Journeyman Geek

2:43 AM

@Bob US dosen't have a 'universal' id of any sort

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Neither do we :P

Driver's licence or photo ID card (optional, often if no licence) are typical.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic the DMZ is kinda dead. They did a SF

Bob

@JourneymanGeek They did? o.O

Journeyman Geek

Not to the same level, but its a lot less active

people do pop in, but response time may be slow

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ahh :P

slack then?

wow, my new monitor actually has enough pixels to render Bob's entire room list

3

that's a new one

Bob

2:52 AM

lol

brb joining more rooms :D

@allquixotic how's the 1080?

I'm trying to figure out which one I want :P

allquixotic

@Bob ship? you walk into a store, here.

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

Founder's edition... Asus Strix... MSI has half a dozen...

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic just curious

does the US let you do burner phones?

allquixotic

I could bring in a phone, know my name, address and a few other minor details, to a Verizon retail store or even a reseller, and with a little bit of work (and luck!), I could get a SIM card that I don't have now, and activate it on my phone

@JourneymanGeek what do you mean, burner phones?

@Bob works well for me. it's good

Journeyman Geek

2:54 AM

(basically walk into a store and buy a phone and sim with no ID)

allquixotic

I don't really need much more than the 1080 and won't for years. wish they'd optimize the drivers a bit more for the ultra high-end games though :P Vulkan and DX12 and such

@JourneymanGeek or even not even buying a phone :P

just bringing in an existing phone.

Journeyman Geek

yeah ;p

singapore has ID + no more than 3 active sims at a time ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek a few years back here they introduced registration at POS. then they made it registration at activation cause taking details in a supermarket took forever

Journeyman Geek

ah

allquixotic

what I'd like to see is them using the digital chip in our drivers license card or passport to digitally verify that the person in the store is who they say they are

and the picture in case they steal your wallet lol

Journeyman Geek

2:57 AM

@allquixotic but civil rights!

(cause apparently knowing who you are is one step away from rounding up undesirables...)

Bob

@allquixotic You're using founder's edition, yea? How noisy is it?

Idle & under load

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek make it an opt-in security upgrade to your account, then

Journeyman Geek

yeah

(We actually have a standard ubiquitious ID system and it works well)

allquixotic

@Bob the central A/C in my room is so piss poor that I find myself constantly using loud air circulation fans; comparing the sound of the founder's edition card which is under my desk to a fan that you can clearly hear on my mic in TS is just no comparison

Psycogeek

my business account (vrses personal) requires that anyone using the debit card , is IDed , it happens about 1-10 times.

allquixotic

2:59 AM

I'd have to swelter in hot heat and max out my GPU to even have a chance to hear the GPU

basically my room has a steady noise baseload that drowns out the computer entirely

Bob

@allquixotic I don't even have A/C -_-

Just a lil box fan.

Psycogeek

I have even processed credit card requests through the debit card (it works both ways) 3 times with no signature on the back of the card :-) some of it probably has to do with the town i live in, they will check that stuff when anybody cares. and here i was saying the 4 digit pin numbers arent secure. I can get $70 in gas by just knowing my zip code and running it as credit, no sig required.

Bob

> Other included software allows for control of your card via your smart phone

O_O

Psycogeek

secure is just the word they put on things , for people with belief systems.

Bob

3:25 AM

> The first of our new titles is the extremely strenuous Ashes of Singularity benchmark. A game that doesn't care what CPU you've brought to the party, it's having it for lunch.

:D

Michael Frank

uber.com/promo/ice-cream

duzzy

I'm playing a hackery game and there is a server with port 5060 open. I've found that 5060 is used for SIP, but do you guys know of a way I can connect to that and listen on it? One of the clues keeps saying "follow the music" so I'm hoping there might be some sort of music coming out of that or something.

Bob

@duzzy Find yourself a SIP client?

List of SIP software

This list of SIP software documents notable software applications which use Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) as a voice over IP (VoIP) protocol. == Servers == === Free and open-source license === Asterisk Cipango SipServlets 1.1 application server Elastix FreeSWITCH FreePBX GNU SIP Witch Kamailio, formerly OpenSER Mobicents Platform (JSLEE[2] 1.0 compliant and SIP Servlets 1.1 compliant application server) Mysipswitch OpenSIPS, fork of OpenSER SailFin SIP Express Router (SER) Enterprise Communications System sipXecs Yate YXA, based on Erlang === Proprietary license === 3Com VCX IP te...

duzzy

I tried downloading a couple, but I didn't find one that could just connect to an ip address.

Bob

@duzzy What game is this?

duzzy

3:30 AM

It's at a conference called OpenWest

Bob

ah

@duzzy Sorry, I've not dealt with SIP before :\

duzzy

I haven't dealt with it much either. Thank you, though.

Bob

@duzzy I see some references to gateways... maybe you shouldn't be trying to connect to the IP as a remote client, but rather configuring it as your gateway?

=> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol#Gateway

duzzy

Ah, hm... that's an interesting view. I'll take a look at that. Thank you for the link.

Couldn't hurt to mess around with it and see what happens.

Bob

O_O

@JourneymanGeek 4k miiiiiight have been a mistake :P overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/…

GTX 1080 => 22 FPS in 4k?!

wtf, Metro?

(most games only manage 60-or-so too...)

Journeyman Geek

3:37 AM

0_0

60 sounds about right

Bob

@JourneymanGeek A lot dip down to 40-50

Ben N

@DavidPostill That answer was significantly edited after I made that comment

Also, hi everyone, I'm not dead; I'm on vacation!

Bob

@BenN Where to?

Ben N

California

Bob

Ah, nice. (I have no idea where you're from :P)

Ben N

3:40 AM

I'm from Illinois, so I don't usually get to see mountains

So today I spent several hours driving on a road that winds around numerous mountains

Journeyman Geek

3:52 AM

lol

Psycogeek

store.wdc.com/store/wdus/en_US/pd/ThemeID.40718400/… shows i can buy the WD red right from the company, with free shipping and 30 day return privelages for only ~$15 more than the average online pricing. why wouldnt i do that?

it worked out before buying direct i forget what it was, and the item had the latest firmware, and was better packed.

which just leaves only 1 question. youtu.be/y4_QCjvkWeI?t=288 does it have the 7 platters like the HGST (or data crammed). because it is confirmed that it is helium type.

Bob

> If these results were any closer we'd be booking them a hotel room and a photoshoot with TMZ.

overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/…

Psycogeek

these guys analised much of it without cracking it open, and it is much the same as the HGST . the 7200 is not that much extra power worth discussing even. the writes on the 7200 can be better (which is par). other than that it doesnt choke being a 5400, like all these high density things.

I am thinking a pair of WD reds on the external (backup) and a pair of HGST $$$$ or Red "pro" (both 7200) inside for speed.

Psycogeek

4:10 AM

an 8T RED Pro or HGST (both 7200) jumps ~$100-130 more in price over the 5400rpm as of today. With this stuff still being new, and like those video cards that are new the prices are jacked up some.

sort of funny because this red drive is actually a green drive :-) at 5400 and people are saying that reds (general) can be set for rediculously low idle times. But WD now has better easier software for changing the idle time now (vrses WDidle and dos)

Journeyman Geek

4:32 AM

ooh

mr robot started again

Psycogeek

4:46 AM

superuser.com/questions/1100668/… <--- about to be dead spam

djsmiley2k

5:13 AM

season 2?

Psycogeek

yes

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k yeah

djsmiley2k

5:32 AM

cool

wife still labouring

Journeyman Geek

5:53 AM

aw

Rahul2001

hello!

@JourneymanGeek I kinda stopped liking it at the end of season one...

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 cause of the fight club reverse?

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek I can't really point out a single moment, I just gradually started to lose interest...

Journeyman Geek

ah ok

I know the feeling

happened with a few shows for me

Rahul2001

It became to weird and messed up for my liking...

I think I'll watch it again when I'm a bit more mature... :P

Journeyman Geek

5:59 AM

;p

I need to watch the last three episodes of Wynonna Earp at some point

SPOILERS!

also, I'm more interested in dark matter and killjoys

Rahul2001

@JourneymanGeek What's that show about?

Journeyman Geek

@Rahul2001 urban fantasy. Girl shoots demons in the head.

Rahul2001

uh... ok

Journeyman Geek

Basically she's a decendant of wyatt erp, and these guys are people Wyatt killed and came back as undead.

so she has to send them back to hell and break the curse

Rahul2001

Not really my type, I think

Journeyman Geek

6:03 AM

Problem for me is they spend too much time with the token lesbian, and not enough on the charecters that INTEREST me.

Like Agent Dolls

oh and one of the charecters just annoys me.

;p

(I have nothing against people of any orientation. Just bad writing)

oh

and battlebots. But I doubt people here are that enlightened to the joys of watching robots catch fire.

djsmiley2k

well we have robot wars over here

Journeyman Geek

yup yup

djsmiley2k

6:19 AM

but not many fires

Journeyman Geek

oh, the last episode there were two battery fires

Bob

> Lite: 4 hours per day
Basic: 8 hours per day
Rapid: 20 hours per day
Rapid Plus: 40 hours per day

One of these is not like the others.

Journeyman Geek

6:48 AM

@Bob or one of these is not on earth

Michael Frank

7:09 AM

@JourneymanGeek Ooh, might give it a watch!

Burgi

7:41 AM

morning

you know what is really bad with skype?

you have to sign in in order to prevent it from auto starting with windows

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank it has promise but I wouldn't have watched it if it wasn't a quiet period for other TV shows ;p

Bob

@Burgi ...just disable the startup item?

Journeyman Geek

7:57 AM

@MichaelFrank it has promise, but I wouldn't have watched it if there was anything else I wanted to watch at the time

hm. I can't remember when's the last time I used barcode scanner

(deciding what to move over to the new phone)

Burgi

@bob, in msconfig?

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek yety for some reason, without it, you'll find you need it

Journeyman Geek

da. Installed

I do have a LOT of space on this phone ;p

Psycogeek

@Burgi have you ever used AutoRuns ?

Burgi

no?

Psycogeek

8:03 AM

well if you want to control microsoft, with one program, that is a good way to do it.

djsmiley2k

wibble

wifes labour continues

Psycogeek

you can shut off any shi (i mean) stuff that runs, including services, and even context menu items , disable drivers and even ruin the booting , ok so a backup might come in handy for those using it the first time.

djsmiley2k

now i'm sure this is real, I just hope it hurries up a bit

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k You clearly have a smart kid who is reluctant to leave.

Burgi

how long has she been in labour?

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

yst 5:19 PM

djsmiley2k

@Burgi early labour: 1 week

active labour? since 1:30pm yesterday

@JourneymanGeek that's when i was home and able to chat :D

With our first, it was 22 hours from start of active labour

Journeyman Geek

first kid?

ah

djsmiley2k

2nd

Burgi

@Psycogeek i just logged in and disabled it ;)

Psycogeek

you dont want to rush labor, if the doc is about to miss his Golfing T-time he will induce labor with horrific side effect drugs , and pull the kid out through small holes in the guts and all. nothing good can come of it.

Burgi

8:08 AM

my friend was only in labour for 3hrs on her first (only?)

Bob

@Burgi task manager can do it in 8 and 10

djsmiley2k

haha

Burgi

@Bob running 7 at the mo

djsmiley2k

@Psycogeek everything here is midwife led

Burgi

i might upgrade to 10 this weekend

Bob

8:09 AM

Ah. Then, yea, msconfig

djsmiley2k

they are anti-unneeded drugs

Burgi

i didn't think of that to be honest

Psycogeek

@djsmiley2k thats good, so you keep her laboring, and she can drop one in the cabbage patch :-)

djsmiley2k

hhehe we'll hopefully have a pool

Bob

@cat you have any guesses on how much GTX 1080 prices are likely to drop?

I've pretty much decided on the card (MSI Gaming X) but I'm trying to figure out if I should use the credit card with the price protection :P

Psycogeek

8:16 AM

that card is worth $600 USD and as soon as the hype is over and the manufacturing has them in quantity on all the shelves, i think we will see it go down to there.

Bob

@Psycogeek That's Nvidia msrp but not necessarily what the flagships will drop to :/

Think it'll drop much in the next 6 months? :P

Psycogeek

thats MSRP, we are being Robbed

Price gouging

Price gouging is a pejorative term referring to when a seller spikes the prices of goods, services or commodities to a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair, and is considered exploitative, potentially to an unethical extent. Usually this event occurs after a demand or supply shock: common examples include price increases of basic necessities after hurricanes or other natural disasters. In precise, legal usage, it is the name of a crime that applies in some jurisdictions of the United States during civil emergencies. In less precise usage, it can refer either to prices obtained...

it is actually been made illegal to sell a gallon of water for $5 when someone is dying of thirst , now how is that any different with people dying of video with 4K monitors :-)

djsmiley2k

:D

5 mins apart but only 35~ sec atm

Psycogeek

do we get an update on the CM of dialation too ?

djsmiley2k

sure :P

be careful what you wish for :P

Bob

8:34 AM

Does she know you're telling us? :P

Psycogeek

it is ok, he will have 18 years of restitution for anything he says now :-)

Burgi

@djsmiley2k do you know what it is?

djsmiley2k

no but I can make an educated guess @Burgi :D

Burgi

a pokemon?

they seem to be everywhere these days

djsmiley2k

@Bob she knows i'm telling you timings

Psycogeek

8:39 AM

is there an App For that?

play.google.com/store/… yup

cat

Burgi

abusive: superuser.com/questions/225170/…

cat

@Burgi Lmao troll

I don't even see the point of posting crap like that...

Like, who what why? What would make someone do such a thing?

Eh, I only have to scale to 80% on a regular 1080p monitor to render Bob's entire room list. My old 1920x1200 ones might be able to do it at 100%, though I've never tried

Burgi

boris is the new foreign secretary.

it puts him in charge of MI6 and GCHQ

cat

@Psycogeek And gone

> Google Play allows you to set up a family sharing group
The group members will be able to access all the same paid-for apps, movies and TV shows, games, books and magazines. However, Google Play Music cannot be shared.
there's only one way to set up a family group right now. Those interested must install the Play Music app on an Android device, go to the app hamburger menu and touch Subscribe > Family > Set up family > Get started > Continue.

^^ Well done google, makes sense

The only way to set up sharing? Play Music. The only thing you can't share? Play Music.

!!headdesk

ChatBot John Cavil

8:53 AM

Psycogeek

@cat you should archive something like this in a lead box burried 18 feet under the ground, with a huge marker , like the empire state building. so when these 2 idiots blow each other up , a future nuclear winter generation can learn from our misteaks .

Journeyman Geek

@cat makes perfect sense. Not.

More seriously, sounds like an awesome GPM feature that most record companies will hate

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