Root Access

Bob

3:00 PM

@qasdfdsaq Huh, how does that not work? o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: android device finder would do that

qasdfdsaq

The location trackers are good enough to locate which building indoors.

Dave

@bob: "Nobody's able to access X server from Y, Theres something wrong dave.. can you help?".. I connect to Y and first thing I do is... type is "netstat -n -t 1 | find "SYN"" and watch in amazement

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Assuming they have a GPS signal at all.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Dunno. My phone doesn't ring half the time when I get called.

Bob

3:00 PM

@qasdfdsaq Your phone's broken.

That's one of the most basic functions of a phone :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob No, it's more accurate without GPS.

(WiFi based location services)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ...odd. wifi location?

Journeyman Geek

plausibly

qasdfdsaq

Ten years ago it was accurate to about 50m. Nowadays you can get to <10m in dense areas

It also requires far less power. Though the Google thing can remotely turn on GPS too

Bob

@Dave Is it bad that I don't know what that does? :P

qasdfdsaq

3:02 PM

@Bob Do you proclaim to be a Linux/networking guru?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Well, it looks to be a Windows command for starters :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Nah, Windows usually uses / for switches and Linux uses -

Bob

But, yea. I have decent fundamental knowledge and can look things up. Not so good at memorising commands and flags unless I use them a lot.

Dave

@Bob: looks for SYN packets.. to establish tcp sessions remotely.. If there's an issue generally they'll appear right away since those SYN's will likely sit there waiting for an ACK from the target host.

qasdfdsaq

Also piping and find are basically broken in Windows

Bob

3:03 PM

@qasdfdsaq Windows can use -. And find on Linux is for file searching. grep is for searching stdin.

@Dave Ah, current connection state?

qasdfdsaq

@Bob True that.

Windows can use - though convention tends to be /

Dave

@Bob: yeah diagnosing traffic without a sniffer...

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hm... not so much these days.

DOS days convention was /.

But PowerShell uses - exclusively.

Dave

WHO NEEDS WIRESHARK WHEN WE HAVE NETSTAT

lol

qasdfdsaq

Most commands accept both on Windows but not on Linux

Bob

3:04 PM

And everything I've ever tried in the 'modern' Windows Command Prompt takes - too, with the possible exception of dir that does funny things sometimes.

Dave

@qasdfdsaq, true if i were in linux then i would be using tcpdump

qasdfdsaq

ping /t works

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Ya, Linux is exclusively -, Windows is historically / but does - too now, PowerShell is exclusively -.

qasdfdsaq

Also bootsect uses / in the help output

Bootsect uses the following conventions:
bootsect.exe {/help | /nt52 | /nt60} {SYS | ALL | <DriveLetter:>} [/force]
For example, to apply the master boot code that is compatible with NTLDR to the volume labeled E, use the following command:
bootsect.exe /nt52 E:

Windows services seem to use -. Dang it I guess I'm showing my age.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq The / is more for backwards-compat, I believe. Microsoft is moving towards PS more and more. At least on the enterprise side.

qasdfdsaq

3:06 PM

Bring back DOS 6.2.2!

Dave

bring back trumpet winsock

Bob

Half of dealing with AD FS, SharePoint and OWA is via PowerShell. The GUI doesn't give you all that much control.

And IIRC Server Core 2012 is mostly based around PS too.

Dave

bring back novell 3.x and ipx along with coax connections + terminators.

qasdfdsaq

@Dave I'll pass on the BNC networks, thanks.

I reserve coax for high-power WiFi/RF connections

Dave

@qasdfdsaq, those were the day.

I still remember when mailservers used to have to dialin to the pop

qasdfdsaq

3:09 PM

@Dave ISA Sound Blaster cards with 8w amplifiers onboard

Dave

for corp networks

that was oldschool.

qasdfdsaq

But half-duplex networks, I do not miss.

In fact, anything below 1GbE I do not miss.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Aww, my poor 100Mbit network :(

qasdfdsaq

Tell you what game I miss though... Zone Raiders.

Bob

...actually, I don't think I have anything with 100Mbit still running.

Oh, the Raspberry Pi.

qasdfdsaq

3:12 PM

I have a pile of $5 routers I used for mesh experimenting that are still 100Mb, but that's it. And they're not in use.

Bob

I need a better home WiFi network though.

No 802.11ac here yet.

Might pick up one of the TP-LINK Archer ones sometime.

qasdfdsaq

Running an Archer C7 myself.

Journeyman Geek

I'm toying with hacking a dual ethernet nuc

qasdfdsaq

I have about 5 AC routers but they're all basically broken (firmware wise)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: rpi

qasdfdsaq

3:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek USB NIC?

Journeyman Geek

tho I have a 10mbps hub in a box somewhere

@qasdfdsaq: lol, no

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Something you'll learn fast in this chat is we love repeating the same conversation over and over.

Journeyman Geek

mini pci-e nic

Bob

Oct 27 at 15:39, by qasdfdsaq

Now only 8 years left to wait before stable 802.11ac support comes by so I can use my Archer C7 properly

:P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: fountain ppens and headphones?

Bob

3:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yes. And phones and ISPs apparently.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob You have better memory than me.

SHIT missed the amazon prime cut-off to buy a light switch

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: lets see, current setup. Main router's a dlink. Got an Asus as an AP, cisco 5 port dumb switch, homeplug AV 1800 for linking rooms.

Bob

Nov 5 '13 at 16:25, by allquixotic

@Bob but especially headphones, cellular broadband providers, dogs and cats, and things that give you BSODs

qasdfdsaq

Oh interesting, no I haven't. Once one deadline passes, it adds 4 hours onto itself :-/

Journeyman Geek

0

A: NUC class system with dual ethernet ports

Mini PCIe gigabit ethernet is a thing it seems. Some hacking needed (and warranty voiding maybe?) or maybe a 3d printed lid if its a proper NUC. I'd tradeoff wifi, I suppose, but there's reasonable workarounds for that. It might also work with my current brix, though I need to work out how t...

this seems nutty ;p

Bob

3:15 PM

@qasdfdsaq So you think the C7 is good?

$150... I might go C5 actually.

Intend to just add one on as an AP.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob It is, and reviewers think so too

@Bob Apparently the C5 can be firmware hacked to a C7 because it's the same hardware.

Bob

Would be too much trouble to fiddle with my primary router.

@qasdfdsaq O_O

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I just ran pfsense on a single-ethernet-port laptop

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: this was suggested

along with a managed switch.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Or just any old Openwrt router

Journeyman Geek

3:17 PM

@qasdfdsaq: meh. I could do that yes

but no

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Apparently just a speed/link limit. Meh, I don't care overly much about that. Worth the savings for me :P

qasdfdsaq

(Pretty much all home routers can handle VLAN'ing with the right drivers)

Journeyman Geek

Basically want to test it (and maybe a nicer box for it).

for erm... when I move out in a few years.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I was doing some network throttling by treating the RPi as a gateway at one point.

My home network is pretty screwy.

Dave

off topic, anybody twitter on here?

Journeyman Geek

3:18 PM

and basically go "Dear, its just stuff I had lying around" to future hypothetical mrs geek

@Dave: infrequently

Dave

Trying to build up a network of nerds.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq IIRC you need something with Broadcom. Atheros treats all ethernet ports as a single eth device so VLAN tagging on the router is a pain.

Dave

I have nerd's but i cant find them these days in the old +s rooms on efnet.

Bob

At least, that was the case for dd-wrt last I checked.

Journeyman Geek

@journeymangeek

qasdfdsaq

3:19 PM

@Dave Hah, my last house was like that. Five nerds and a hell of a lot of technology

Bob

I, ah... worked around it with a whole bunch of layered NAT.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Nah, it's piss easy on an Atheros. Works the same as Broadcom, or Ralink or Realtek. It's also model dependant

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Interesting.

qasdfdsaq

Some will have multiple interfaces, some will only have one. But you still get per-port control

I believe the WNDR3700 has five ports on one switch, while the almost identically specced DIR-825 has four ports on one switch and the WAN port on a second CPU interface.

(Both using the same Craperos chipset)

Dave

@JourneymanGeek nice i found you.

:)

qasdfdsaq

3:21 PM

The interface and configuration is literally the same for Atheros and Broadcom if you're using the web interface.

Bob

That's my WDR4300.

qasdfdsaq

VLANs on DD-WRT are just a pain in general.

Bob

Ya, I figured.

Not really in the mood to reflash to OpenWRT right now though.

So, basically, piss-slow ADSL upstream shared with a bunch of people, some of which use p2p video streaming. Yea, had to stick a throttle on that.

qasdfdsaq

amazon.co.uk/Retrotouch-Stunning-Innovative-Designer-Mechanical/…

To buy or not to buy? God damn paraylsis by choice

Bob

Ended up with a bunch of layered NAT as the easiest way to segment the network short of proper VLAN support, but I don't really care too much at this point -- they can watch their videos and they're happy.

Journeyman Geek

3:25 PM

"stunning innovative designer range"

erm

Its a switch

Bob

!!tell 25159260 listen buy or not buy

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq buy

HackToHell

Blehhh, have to figure out a login system for an Cordava Android App

Bob

Well, you heard the bot!

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Well, the alternative is this:

amazon.co.uk/Logic-Plus-K4871-WHI-Plateswitch/dp/B001S2R9YO/…

Journeyman Geek

3:26 PM

OK

Get the pretty ones.

tho we have a bunch of those.

Bob

!!tell qasdfdsaq listen Retrotouch or MK Logic

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Retrotouch

qasdfdsaq

Lol!

Journeyman Geek

and heh

Bob

See, Cavil likes the first one!

qasdfdsaq

3:26 PM

Shame I'm not even going to use them. I just need to replace my dimmer with a switch that's always on.

Cause my WiFi-light-bulbs don't like the dimmer.

Journeyman Geek

hopefully by the time I buy a place I can get ~~easily hacked light switches~~ stuff I can control with my phone.

Bob

You and your fancy light bulbs -_-

Dave

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: switches are for peasants ;p

qasdfdsaq

@Bob We have a house of mixed Philips Hue and LIFX bulbs.

HackToHell

3:27 PM

Fancy light bulbs ? you mean them hues ?

qasdfdsaq

And also a mix of WiFi and IR remote controlled dimmers.

amazon.co.uk/Retrotouch-Stunning-Innovative-Designer-1-Gang/dp/…

£45 for a light switch!!

Journeyman Geek

heh

Bob

@qasdfdsaq We have... a bunch of CFLs of mixed brands :P

Journeyman Geek

we have concentional LEDs everywhere

HackToHell

fuck these things are expensive

amazon.in/Philips-Personal-Wireless-Lighting-Starter/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

3:28 PM

amusingly in a form factor where you can swap a ring light for em.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob We replaced CFLs with dimmable LEDs when they dropped to about $10 last year

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: remote control tho!

qasdfdsaq

@HackToHell Yep :( The ONLY downside

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Eh, I don't see a major benefit in that replacement yet.

The CFL vs incandescent difference was massive

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: wait a few years and the market will get flooded

Bob

3:29 PM

Not so much for CFL vs LED.

Journeyman Geek

and/or you can get em at ikea

qasdfdsaq

@Bob To be fair it was mostly halogens in the house so we figured we might as well do all of them.

HackToHell

Arduino + Wifi module + LED will be cheaper than that

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: heh

my parents love em

they have a thing for insanely bright white lights ;p

qasdfdsaq

@HackToHell I keep telling my flatmate that but NOOO he wants me to get a hue

Journeyman Geek

3:29 PM

and LED does that

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek yeah, the great big IOT !

qasdfdsaq

Then he buys a 30W RGB LED off Ebay that's half the price and five times brighter than my Hue

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I'm still waiting for them to improve LED light output and heat dissipation.

qasdfdsaq

Methinks it was a trap

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: I DO want to control every damned thing with my phone ;p

qasdfdsaq

3:30 PM

@Bob These Philips GU10's are perfectly fine.

Bob

Apparently LED bulbs tend to die when the power supply in them dies.

qasdfdsaq

They're brighter than the 60w Halogens that were in there before.

Dave

need one of these

Journeyman Geek

(I also want a home rack, but if hypothetical future mrs geek dosen't mind, that would be a good reason she's hypothetical future mrs geek)

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek So do I :D

Journeyman Geek

3:31 PM

@Dave: too many safety features.

HackToHell

quora.com/Whats-the-closest-open-source-alternative-to-Firebase

Journeyman Geek

SCIENCE NEEDS RISK

HackToHell

Damn so many frameworks

qasdfdsaq

Dammit the retrotouch can no longer be delivered tomorrow

HackToHell

And they all seem to suck

Bob

3:31 PM

@qasdfdsaq We have... mostly edison screw, some bayonet

HackToHell

Screw it, I'll do it with eve

Bob

E27 I believe

Dave

I want to feel like dr frankenstein everytime I turn on a light in the house.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: everything is hard wired to pucks replacing ballast, and LED here ;p

Dave

clippy popped up

Journeyman Geek

3:31 PM

its lovely

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I've just bought a pack of new fittings to replace the GU10's with Edison cause the GU10 hue's suck

Dave

It looks like you're trying to feel like dr frankenstein everytime you turn on a light in the house.

Would you like help?

qasdfdsaq

I am intending to build a few Arduino/MSP based sensors and controllers to link in to the Hue though

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

I guess this one's alright.

Journeyman Geek

3:34 PM

I'm pretty sure we have had this conversation before

Dave

ifttt.com/hue

Bob

@JourneymanGeek We've had that conversation before too :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

I need to close some tabs :\

qasdfdsaq

Always a giggle when someone begins an answer on SU with "Oh man, you are definitely going to have a very bad time."

Journeyman Geek

3:43 PM

or "this is terrifying" ?

I've done that once

it was

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Link?

@JourneymanGeek Link? :P

qasdfdsaq

0

Q: How to do sudo apt-get on an AIX machine

I don't understand this AIX. How do I do sudo apt-get on AIX? -bash-3.00$ sudo -bash: sudo: command not found -bash-3.00$ apt-get -bash: apt-get: command not found

Not sure who posted that earlier

Journeyman Geek

0

A: Multiple routers & access point setup

This seems ... well a little terrifying, especially if all of these are consumer routers. Lets start "Main router N type" Its a consumer router that's probably handling more connections than its designed for. I'd grab a spare pc with 2 NICs, and throw something like pfsense, or some other linux...

I did

qasdfdsaq

How do these people get a job :-@

Journeyman Geek

lol

I would throw that all out, buy a few packs of ubiquiti or some other decent enterprise grade APs and maybe a proper router and switches.

(Love those things. Nice little webui, heatmaps...)

qasdfdsaq

3:47 PM

Ubiquiti is awesome but few real enterprises use them.

Journeyman Geek

last workplace did

qasdfdsaq

Cisco and Juniper have like 90% market share here

Ubiquiti is actually quite hard to get hold of in the UK

Most of the stuff I have to import

Journeyman Geek

I'd call up the local distributor, or try amazon I guess

may end up needing to use CGW

qasdfdsaq

There isn't a local distributor

Journeyman Geek

heh

Best thing is if they do

but they don't have the thing you want

grumble grumble speakers

Bob

3:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek ...my god

qasdfdsaq

All the interesting questions I want to know the answer to are unanswered :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

That almost looks like my home network. But with a whole lot more (and older) APs, and less layers of NAT.

Someone trying to run that in an office is a scary thought.

qasdfdsaq

I should charge people for setting up SMB networks.

Journeyman Geek

lol

IF I had proper cabling

I could get away with... hmm.2 APs and a 12 port switch?

Bob

3:54 PM

> setting your router on fire and buying a decent AP

heh.

qasdfdsaq

I really like the flexibility of OpenWRT on just a typical home router

Journeyman Geek

I really do mean it

qasdfdsaq

Will do anything a £1000 managed switch/router/AP can do and more.

Bob

With that many APs I'd want 802.1X as well.

Journeyman Geek

being stuck with a router you can't switch to AP mode would be painful

Bob

3:55 PM

Could you imagine trying to change a PSK on so many APs? And all the devices potentially connecting to them?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: I don't like wifi ;p

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Most phones and light bulbs don't come with Ethernet ports these days.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: for PCs at least?

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I have my own script that does that automatically

Also pushes out network configuration changes to all APs automatically

Journeyman Geek

and I need 2 APs cause of the size of my apartment

qasdfdsaq

3:56 PM

@JourneymanGeek I had 6 in my last flat.

Journeyman Geek

(and that the middle of the apartment has no power sockets)

@qasdfdsaq: also, homeplug

qasdfdsaq

I have some of my routers running on PoE for the same reason

Journeyman Geek

which works but is annoying.

so yeah. I have wifi, but most of my systems have access to a wired connection

qasdfdsaq

My desktop is usually wired but ATM it's wired to a wireless bridge

Likewise my server is also wired... to the wireles sbridge

Journeyman Geek

hmm

qasdfdsaq

3:59 PM

In fact my home network is currently split in two, with a wireless bridge between them, because I can't be bothered running an ethernet cable under the hallway carpet

Journeyman Geek

my current desk setup is 3 systems connected to a wireless router, connected to a homeplug box

other end connects to a switch, connected to the primary home router

and i go sleep now

Bob

lol

I should probably go too

but I'll probably not sleep and pop in again later -_-

Whole house is wired here and mostly on the WDR4300 (some via 8-port switch)

Some are on the throttled subnet. That one also hosts the guest wifi.

(using NAT as a poor man's VLAN)

qasdfdsaq

Call of Duty Black Ops III
Fallout 4
Civilization Online
Star Wars Battle Front
StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void
Assassin's Creed Syndicate
Just Cause 3
Rainbow Six Siege
Fable Legend Open beta
Monster Hunter Online
RollerCoaster Tycoon World
Overwatch
War Thunder

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Is that a list of games you need to get around to? :P

qasdfdsaq

In the next few months, yes.

hexus.net/tech/news/software/…

I wonder if this is the release that finally has multi-process?

Bob

4:10 PM

Gillette 3000 - The Late Show

►

@qasdfdsaq Nah.

That's still in testing.

qasdfdsaq

Then sure, an unresponsive browser has EXCELLENT privacy. It can't do nuffin.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Eh, I can't complain.

726 tabs at the moment. Chrome dies long before it reaches this stage.

qasdfdsaq

I have the opposite. Firefox is a slideshow anytime I get near 100

Bob

Looks like they're doing A/B testing in beta43

@qasdfdsaq Oh, I'm talking some 70 loaded tabs.

I can get more if I run the 64-bit build, but I don't do that normally.

qasdfdsaq

All my tabs are "loaded"

Unless it crashes.

Bob

4:16 PM

Chrome craps out somewhere around 40. Mostly because I can't see the tab titles anymore.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Ctrl+N

Bob

Could probably get higher with an extension shrug

@qasdfdsaq I don't want to keep a dozen windows open.

qasdfdsaq

I do. Easier to navigate between 10 windows with 40 tabs on one subject each than 400 tabs in one window...

Bob

Also, does Chrome have tab search yet?

Ctrl+Shift+E in FF.

qasdfdsaq

Oh is that the annoying feature that opens an existing tab when I type in the URL of a site I want to go to?

Bob

4:17 PM

(with tab grouping! not that I'm using that much at the moment)

@qasdfdsaq uh, no?

well, it's related, but not exactly

qasdfdsaq

Oh. Don't know about it then.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq btw, you can shift+enter to bypass the tab switch

qasdfdsaq

@Bob That requires me to be looking at it and processing information while I'm typing.

I'd rather just type, and have it behave consistently regardless of state.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/switch-to-tab-no-more

> Good news. In current versions of Firefox there are preferences to control whether Switch to tab entries appear in the urlbar dropdown. Starting with Firefox 36, there is a new UI for these at the bottom of the privacy tab in options. If you uncheck the Opeb Tabs box then you shouldn't need this addon any more.

qasdfdsaq

Course it would have been nice for Firefox to... not change my default behaviour in the first place!

This is one big gripe I've had with FF for a while now. Completely revamping the UI several times.

Chrome has had the same layout for at least 5 years.

Bob

4:21 PM

@qasdfdsaq This (switch-to-tab) is more functionality than UI.

qasdfdsaq

And now I've had Firefox developer edition pushed on me... Why? How do I undo this?

The fuck is this shit that I didn't ask for?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ...that was just a rebranding of Aurora.

qasdfdsaq

All I asked for is multi-process and I've been waiting seven years! But nooooo

Bob

You were running prerelease shrug

qasdfdsaq

"Rebranding" huh. All my colours are inverted.

Bob

4:22 PM

Though, the Aurora UI is a bit annoying. Can be reverted fairly easily.

qasdfdsaq

A home page notification "Hey, we're changing your interface because ABC and you can change it back via XYZ" would have been nice

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I mean, yea, this is a bit jarring when it happens but it can be reverted easily enough that if you really wanted to you would have by now.

qasdfdsaq

"Welcome to Firefox Developer Edition"? What huh how why when?

It's like I restart my PC and it says omething about "Installing your Windows 10 Upgrade!"

LIKE WTF?

Bob

I think the expectation with prerelease, especially Aurora and Nightly, is that a lot of stuff changes quickly.

qasdfdsaq

I want my MS-DOS 6.2.2. back!

Bob

4:24 PM

@qasdfdsaq It's more like if you were on the "insider" update channel and that happened.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob And the one thing I want the most doesn't change quickly enough!

Though I do find any critical bugs to be fixed usually in a day or so.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Just because the user-facing part of it isn't changing much doesn't mean it isn't changing behind the scenes.

One of the biggest problems with e10s is it basically broke every single extension and plugin.

Every. Single. One.

That... isn't an easy problem to solve.

qasdfdsaq

Well, if it's performance isn't changing, it's reliability isn't changing, and it's functionality isn't changing (at least not in a way I dislike) I'm going to moan.

Bob

Chrome was multiprocess from the start.

I don't know how IE managed it.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob They were well aware of that in... 2008...

Bob

4:25 PM

@qasdfdsaq Yea, multiprocess wasn't so big then.

IIRC they shelved it until... 2011? 2012?

qasdfdsaq

Chrome had it from the start. IE caught up a few years later. Wasn't until after firefox started losing most benchmarks to IE that it caught on again

Then again even while winning page rendering benchmarks most review sites ignored the fact IE takes like five minutes to launch in the first place

Bob

@qasdfdsaq IE8 had it very shortly after initial Chrome release.

Chrome having it from the start is what made it relatively easy for them.

They didn't have to worry about a massive mountain of backwards-compat.

qasdfdsaq

Electrolysis
Phase I: Bootstrap
Get something hacked together as quickly as possible.
- 5th May 2009

Wasn't Firefox going to break backwards compatibility anyway?

I thought I read something a few weeks back about the old plugin API being removed - or was that Chrome?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, they decided on that somewhat recently.

Still going to be a year or two before they take the breaking step.

qasdfdsaq

As a result of E10s?

Bob

4:28 PM

There's some wrappers to maintain old functionality for now.

@qasdfdsaq That was one of the main reasons, yea.

e10s broke the entire content/chrome interaction model a lot of addons used, along with communication across pages

They have some wrappers now, and they're working with addon devs to try to fix most of it

qasdfdsaq

IMO it would have been better just to break everything right from the start.

Bob

There's been quite a few FF addon API changes over the years

FF4 introduced a fairly big break

another one around 8/9

not a total break, more that slight differences built up over time, or a new API was introduced and 'preferred' while old is no longer preferred but still there

qasdfdsaq

In the time Firefox has taken to try implement multiprocess in a backwards compatible manner, Chrome has launched, stolen most of the market share Firefox had, and everyone's re-written most plugins for it's completely different API anyway.

Bob

shrug

I've seen 32-bit FF crash fairly often when running out of memory.

64-bit runs smoothly until you run out of RAM

I have seen quite a few instances of Chrome tabs randomly crashing, though. More so when you have devtools enabled.

qasdfdsaq

I tried 64-bit Firefox a few years back, it didn't fare a whole lot better. Still tended to become unresponsive before running out of RAM

Chrome often has crashes when expanding memory allocation too fast. But doesn't take the whole browser with it when it does...