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Q: Creating alias to domain name with /etc/hosts

I have a domain setup to point to my LAN's external IP using dynamic DNS, because my external IP address changes frequently. However, I want to create an alias to this host, so I can access it with home. So I appended the following to my /etc/hosts: domain.com home However, it doesn’t seem to l...

^ I don't believe that I have to run a DNS server to do something so simple :V

bwDraco

My personal site is down for the time being. I'll take several days to a couple of weeks to bring it back online.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Hmm I need to make a bigger effort on SO it seems

GFSE

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Journeyman Geek

lol

Oliver Salzburg

2:30 PM

@Bob Woah, I'm surprisingly far up. Yay for me!

Journeyman Geek

blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2015/10/27/10650331.aspx

Bob

2:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek Heh, sounds like something @allquixotic wrote.

Reality Distortion Fields and car analogies :D

Journeyman Geek

;p

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I'd be more than happy to drive a Tesla as an everyday car

It's less pretentious than a Ferrari as well as exceptionally efficient, economical, and safe.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: My perfect system is a bit like a landy defender

qasdfdsaq

Comparing an OS to a car that's "so safe it broke the safety testing machine" isn't actually a bad idea

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq I would too, but not until it costs $35k USD or less :P

Journeyman Geek

2:54 PM

Its ugly, gets the job done, and if your vehicle gets driven into a tree by an idiot, you shrug, chop off the broken bits, replace it, and be on your way ;p

Bob

I'm kinda disappointed that my answer has less upvotes than my comment :(

(yes, that is a somewhat shameless plug :P)

@qasdfdsaq However, I'd be suspicious of any code that broke the testing framework :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

*upvotes Bob* ... *gets caught by system for serial upvoting because I upvote his stuff more often than not*

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic There's supposedly a cheaper "mainstream" version coming out "soon"

Though apparently you can get a $75,000 interest free loan and a $7500 subsidy from the government for buying one

allquixotic

the $7500 government subsidy is tiny compared to the purchase price; and I'm sure my credit and income aren't high enough to qualify for a $75000 interest-free loan

Journeyman Geek

2:58 PM

cars are pricy as hell here.

qasdfdsaq

Oh I dunno, it's a government loan so not subject to normal commercial credit requirements

Journeyman Geek

(also, I can see the place I'm interviewing at from my house!)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That... is slightly scary.

allquixotic

Oh boy.

> I had an argument with ramhound in the comments

qasdfdsaq

Eh, I could see my workplace from my house for five years, it was a 6 minute walk across a park

allquixotic

2:59 PM

Surprise, surprise?

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Oh I haven't done that for days.

Dave

@eli: could wrap a curl ifconfig.me/ip in a cronjob to run every 10 seconds store that shit in a var and then > /etc/hosts with the hostname

Bob

Thanks for the votes :P (though, yea, only do so if the answer is good etc etc)

Journeyman Geek

8 Shenton Way

8 Shenton Way (Chinese: 八珊顿道;Chinese: Bā Shān Dùn Dǎo), formerly The Treasury and Temasek Tower, is the sixth tallest skyscraper in the city of Singapore, with at 234.7 m (770 ft). It is currently the tallest cylindrical building in the world. Built in 1986 as Treasury Building, it has 52 stories and is one of the prominent buildings in the business district. The tower houses 16 double deck elevators supplied by Otis. Singapore's present Prime Minister, Lee Hsien Loong, once had his office in the building. The building was renamed to Temasek Tower (Chinese: 淡马锡大厦) when the Ministry of Finan...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'd almost say that makes it easy to guess your future workplace and your general location, but Sg is physically small (and dense) enough that it probably doesn't narrow it down much :P

Journeyman Geek

3:02 PM

lol

@Bob: there's er..

actually there's enough evidence peppered around here to work it out

also, the ava is a givaway.

"Oh ash! He lives in <redacted> on the <redacted floor> in block <redacted>

also, you have my address ;p

qasdfdsaq

Prior to Google withdrawing Latitude, people could figure out my exact location by going onto my blog and looking at the real-time satellite tracker

Journeyman Geek

lol

so.

I'm in a building with LOS to shenton way.

I could be living in the pinnacle

Dave

@eli: or also curl ip.appspot.com

Recycle Bin

cant I turn off UEFI ffs

Journeyman Geek

OR a high floor of something between that and shenton way.

allquixotic

3:04 PM

@JourneymanGeek you're the pet of the CEO?

living on the top floor of a skyscraper

Bob

@RecycleBin "UEFI" is a standard. It's not something you turn on or off.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic the pinnacle is a horrible monstrocity that messes up my view.

Bob

Your firmware implements the UEFI standard.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Interesting. As it turns out, the application form for the government loan doesn't even ask you about your income.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: This might have been true, but dad retired ;p

qasdfdsaq

3:05 PM

Apparently all you need is a clean credit history.

Bob

Just as firmware in the past emulated the original PC BIOS.

Recycle Bin

I have the normal BIOS

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Well, you can turn off the I of UEFI, so I'd argue you can turn it off.

Bob

Modern firmware that implements UEFI can additionally emulate the original PC BIOS via what's called the CSM.

@RecycleBin Unless you literally have an original IBM PC, no, you do not have a "normal BIOS"...

allquixotic

@RecycleBin UEFI is not at all related to the visual appearance of the BIOS or UEFI configuration utility. Even if it looks like a BIOS, it's still based on the UEFI standards if it's a recent enough motherboard (since about 2011, give or take).

Dave

3:06 PM

UEFI makes me want to stab someone

qasdfdsaq

IPv6 makes me want to stab someone more than UEFI

Dave

wish i still had my ipv6 tunnel broker information from he.net its been 15 years.

;[

allquixotic

@Dave Why? Because it was supposed to be the chosen one; it was said that UEFI was to destroy compatibility problems, not make them worse; bring balance to the vendors, not plunge them into incompatible chaos?

Bob

@allquixotic Heh, enthusiast motherboards have been experimenting with fancy skins long before they started implementing UEFI.

Dave

back in the days when you tunneled ipv6over4

Recycle Bin

3:08 PM

well on the SSD theres a bunch of EFI files and the Boot configuration data however I think the PC is made to always default to the SSD no matter on boot order

Bob

And large OEMs still show the same old Award/Phoenix interfaces as they did a decade ago.

Recycle Bin

this is a COMPLETE CLUSTERFUCK

Dave

@allquixotic: it does its job, but it's not cool when i cant install any OS on a phone that I own because of the chain of trust since everything is signed.

Bob

...you don't know what's going on, so instead of learning that first you just go and call it a clusterfuck?

I'm not even going to bother trying to explain.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq lol

Bob

3:09 PM

Enjoy your "clusterfuck".

Journeyman Geek

My ISP has had it natively

qasdfdsaq

$75k loan for an electric vehicle with no income requirements. Dang it I want a Tesla now.

Journeyman Geek

pretty painless.

Recycle Bin

ive tried working it out

it makes no sense

I have a forum SE post on it

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq I still don't understand how and why various parts of an IPv6 address can be omitted. I don't like how there are multiple conventions for that, and so on. If we're going to have 128-bit addresses, let's just write out all 128 bits every time, please. Or come up with a simple shorthand, like encoding the 128 bits into [A-Za-z] space ...

qasdfdsaq

3:10 PM

I'd have to not quit my job for at least 6 years though, and I'd be buying a car that costs more than some people's homes, but .....

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: I think the idea is you skip repeating units

but

buuuuut

Bob

@allquixotic Huh? Isn't that pretty simple?

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq If I find myself upgrading my career soon (which is a distinct possibility) to make an actual living wage, I might be able to afford that. As it stands now, nope.

Recycle Bin

it cant even name boot devices properly, how the fuck is the CD drive a HDD and how the hell is a HDD PcE boot

Journeyman Geek

no one expects you to remember the whole address

Bob

3:10 PM

You can omit leading 0s in any block of 4 hex digits.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic That's one of the few things about IPv6 I actually understand. Having been forced to learn it to get my Cisco qualifications

Journeyman Geek

you just chuck an AAAA record.,

Bob

You can omit one single sequence of all-0s with a ::.

And that's all.

qasdfdsaq

*"Or come up with a simple shorthand, like encoding the 128 bits into [A-Za-z] space"*

We call that DNS

Recycle Bin

I told windows to wipe all volumes on the SSD and I used diskpart but how come the EFI files are still there

Bob

3:11 PM

@qasdfdsaq lol

qasdfdsaq

@RecycleBin You did it wrong

Recycle Bin

make sense of it then!!!!!!!!!

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq hehe, fair enough, but DNS doesn't work with everything - until I can route add default gw weeblitz.com

Journeyman Geek

eh

at some point I need to work out if I can do ipv6 only VMs on my dedi

Bob

@allquixotic route add default gw `dig weeblitz.com`

Journeyman Geek

3:13 PM

they use an odd system for ipv4 addresses so...

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Just playing devil's advocate. Most people tell me "Just f***ing use DNS" every time I whine about memorizing IPv6 addresses.

Bob

(with the correct dig command to get a single address)

Journeyman Geek

lol

@qasdfdsaq: that's cause we arn't elephants. ;p

Recycle Bin

windows 7 has an EFI partition so why the hell does it need to boot to the SSD then ask me to choose an EFI file on the SSD then ask what language then boot the HDD

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I don't even bother memorising IPv4 addresses outside of the private sections.

Journeyman Geek

3:14 PM

ol

lol

Recycle Bin

is just booting the HDD efi partition like rocket science or something

Journeyman Geek

I don't remember anything outside the private sections

allquixotic

@Bob I have the IPv4s of all my (six? seven?) containers on my dedi memorized

Journeyman Geek

and I look up the example range for questions.

Bob

@allquixotic O_O

I just go look them up every time.

Journeyman Geek

3:14 PM

@allquixotic: I have non of my Ips memorised

allquixotic

and they're not in any particular linear order other than all belonging to the same /27

Bob

They're all mapped to subdomains anyway.

Journeyman Geek

local or otherwise

qasdfdsaq

cableforum.co.uk/board/63/…

allquixotic

yeah, mine are subdomains too, but I have to muck with the networking often enough that I memorized them

qasdfdsaq

3:15 PM

^^ So I don't have to repeat why I hate IPv6 over and over again

Journeyman Geek

which is a pain when phoebe dosen't resolve cause the fedora samba stack is flaky

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq heh. IPv6 rollout is painfully slow in general, but my primary ISP (Verizon Wireless) runs a native IPv6 network

Journeyman Geek

er....

my ISP does ipv6rd on cable

and SLAAC on fibre

Bob

...I have no IPv6 whatsoever

Journeyman Geek

but they don't have official documentation for either.

Bob

3:16 PM

And have not heard of any plans to do so in the next, say, two decades.

Journeyman Geek

and I'm on the same ISP, and no mobile ipv6 either

qasdfdsaq

The local hackerlab is running a native ipv6 setup too. I on the other hand explicitly disable any and all IPv6 anywhere near me

allquixotic

for a while I thought I had issues accessing sites because of IPv6 issues, but it turned out that the issue was that LTE can't really juggle very many TCP connections at the same time - so I have to monitor my TCP connection count and smack down any process that makes too many

Recycle Bin

look like Ill just have to fix it myself - As usual

Journeyman Geek

Of course.

@qasdfdsaq my dad's xp box has no ipv6

Bob

3:17 PM

@allquixotic Is that an LTE problem or an iOS problem? :P

allquixotic

@Bob well, given that I had the exact same problem on the Note 4, I'm going to say it's the network uplink, not the handset.

Journeyman Geek

My vms must have it, and I use cloudflare as a 4 to 6 gateway as needed

Dave

@allquixotic: could probably fix tcp issue simple syn iptables rule something like serverfault.com/questions/440157/…

with*

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Possibly neither?

One of my networks in the UK decided to implement artificial, draconian connection limits

Any time you try open more than two tabs in Chrome it'll just drop any new connections until such time it feels like being generous again.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq To give you an idea: the "offending" process was using about 75 TCP sockets and holding them open (why on earth? I have no idea). The entire rest of my system would use about that many, so I'd see somewhere between 100 open TCP sockets onto the public Internet (during low activity) to as many as 300 (if I had a lot of browser tabs open).

I noticed that if I killed the offending process, the problem went away. OR if I forced everything through an OpenVPN tunnel to a dedicated server, the problem went away, and I could keep all those sockets open, and more, with no problems.

Bob

3:21 PM

Meanwhile I expect my router to handle tens of thousands of NAT connections at once.

(older router would crap out whenever I refreshed a server browser in many games)

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Yeah but that's not necessarily an LTE problem. I believe the network here imposed a limit of around 100. But on a different network you could easily hold thousands open.

allquixotic

The OpenVPN tunnel effectively relieves the uplink of the connection tracking burden and just throws around UDP packets blindly.

qasdfdsaq

LTE itself is just flat IP(v6) anyway. It doesn't care for connections or sessions, that's usually the operator's firewall or CG-NAT

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq So you think there could be a network-imposed concurrent open TCP socket limit, then?

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic I know at least one UK network does exactly that.

allquixotic

3:23 PM

@qasdfdsaq I don't have carrier-grade NAT, but I'm certain that this draconian American ISP I'm on is doing stateful filtering of some kind, so they are certain to pay attention to connection state.

qasdfdsaq

I also know LTE can easily handle thousands of open connections (because LTE itself doesn't know or care about them)

Pretty much all mobile networks here use CG-NAT. I'm surprised they don't in the U.S.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq The only limiting factor on # of open connections should be the CPU and RAM required to maintain them on both ends, and uplink throughput required to maintain each socket's keepalive (they have to periodically send keepalives to keep it from timing out, usually) - right?

Bob

s/this draconian American ISP I'm on /VzW/

:P

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic That, and any firewalls or NAT routers in between. Yeah.

allquixotic

I'm pretty sure that the network throughput figures in Windows Resource Monitor / Performance Monitor (on Windows 10) should include TCP socket keepalives in the throughput calculations, so if the keepalives were taking up all my bandwidth, I'd know.

qasdfdsaq

3:25 PM

The sockets layer itself doesn't use keepalives

Bob

@allquixotic NAT tables tend to be fairly limited fixed sizes.

qasdfdsaq

They're protocol specific.

@Bob True, but even in low-end consumer routers they typically number in the many thousands

allquixotic

My problem was, I was seeing extremely small background throughput when my system was idle, but when I tried to open a new TCP connection, it would take an extremely long time to do so, and often timeout. But once the connection was established, it would be plenty fast.

Definitely sounds like an open connection limit

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Exactly the same here, with our one network that artificially limits it

Dave

yea sounds like tcp syn packet rate limiting

qasdfdsaq

3:27 PM

It could be a bad implementation by your operator, or a deliberate restriction, but either way it's not a fundamental limitation of LTE itself.

Dave

probably dont want people using their services doing syn flood's on other networks.

I mean hell, i cant think of the # of providers that block other traffic like outgoing smtp + egress filtering to prevent spoofing.

qasdfdsaq

LTE doesn't care any more than an enterprise core router cares about all the TCP sessions running through it. It just carries packets.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Depends on age :P

32k is fairly typical now.

I'm pretty sure one of my old ones couldn't even handle 1k.

Looks like it might've been 512.

Dave

ingres, egress

qasdfdsaq

Some, though they are usually exceptions.

smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/… <== even this pre-2010 model does 2048

Bob

3:31 PM

@qasdfdsaq F5D7230-4.

2010 is about half a decade later :P

qasdfdsaq

Oh lol, there was a box for one of those in a storage cupboard where I used to live

smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/… <== I have this PoS from 2008, with stock firmware it does 200 but with upgraded it does 32K

Bob

I'm using a Billion 7800NXL now

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

With a TPLINK TL-WDR4300 sitting behind it (dd-wrt on that one)

qasdfdsaq

Honestly though how many people still use 10 year old G routers? Most just use whatever their ISP supply TBH

allquixotic

3:34 PM

@qasdfdsaq Thing is, my dedi is in Canada and I'm in the mid-Atlantic US, so I'd rather not incur that extra ping to route through there via OpenVPN if I can avoid it. So I've been smacking down any high connection count processes (or diagnosing the problem if I really, really need to run that process anyway) to keep my connection sane, and not use the VPN.

qasdfdsaq

At least here, the ISPs tend to replace them every ~5 years at most

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq isp routers tend to suck tho

qasdfdsaq

@Bob I run Openwrt on a WDR4300 as my main workhorse router.

Journeyman Geek

(and well, when I move out, I'm probably going the prosumer route)

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Eh, not as bad these days.

The UK ISPs have been offering dual-band AC1300 routers with gigabit ports and what not for the past 2-3 years.

Journeyman Geek

3:36 PM

My isp gave us support.dlink.com/ProductInfo.aspx?m=DIR-865L

qasdfdsaq

I got to trial the first ones with a built-in VDSL2 modem too

Bob

@qasdfdsaq It's a beast for the price :P

allquixotic

What I could really use - for improved wifi signal across floors, and possibly VPN at the router level - is a wifi router that can share a tethered iPhone over USB. I'm not sure if Apple uses RNDIS or a custom protocol, but Windows recognizes it as an Apple Mobile Device Ethernet adapter.

Journeyman Geek

not too bad,I guess

Bob

I've been considering reflashing with openwrt but I honestly prefer to avoid touching the firmware as long as it works

Journeyman Geek

3:37 PM

what I could use tho is proper wiring since my place is wierd and large

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yep. Also the first N450 router I had that actually had a CPU fast enough to max out the wireless interface.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Many times those would be worse :P

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic I believe Openwrt supports that.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek Are you sure your place isn't wired instead of weird? :P

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Replace? What is that?

(we can get one bundled with some plans, but replace?)

allquixotic

3:38 PM

@qasdfdsaq The last time I installed an OpenWRT firmware on a router (Netgear), it was buggy as all hell. Some of the recent Broadcom chips are not very well supported.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: al my networking stuff is in one part of the house and the wrong places ;p

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yeah our market is very competitive, they're constantly in an arms race with new technologies and higher speeds.

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq "I know at least one UK network does exactly that." out of interest which one?

allquixotic

Would also need a router that can push 900 milliamps over the USB port to keep the phone charged while tethering. USB 3.0 would get it done, but that means I can't use any ancient routers.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic I've always found the Atheros support to be better on Openwrt (which is why I choose Atheros routers specifically) but even then it took about 10 years for completely stable 802.11n support on Openwrt.

Now only 8 years left to wait before stable 802.11ac support comes by so I can use my Archer C7 properly

Bob

3:39 PM

@qasdfdsaq Our ISPs: "competition? what's that?"

allquixotic

How about DD-WRT? Don't they sometimes use proprietary drivers but it tends to be more stable? Or no?

Bob

Actually, DSL had a fair bit of competition

qasdfdsaq

@Bob It's what happens when one ISP brags about their "Superfast router" and "Next gen fibre free upgrade" and another one doesn't want to lose customers

Bob

But the larger ones merged...

Journeyman Geek

dd wrt is kinda wierd and terrible these days

Dave

3:39 PM

Hey I have no issues with ddwrt

:P

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic DD-WRT definitely has better drivers, on the fewer devices it works properly on. I found it decent on both Broadcom and Ralink devices.

But development seemed to have really stalled last I had to handle it. Also major regression on the rt28xx platform

Dave

I even got openvpn working with it as well.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, it's all in one tree now. No more proper releases.

Still some dev going on though.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Here, there's very intense competition in the mobile/smartphone space, but almost no competition for landlines. In fact, local governments actively help companies maintain landline monopolies, under the guise of "regulation".

Bob

@qasdfdsaq dd-wrt doesn't officially support Atheros at all

qasdfdsaq

3:42 PM

@allquixotic Our mobile space is even more competitive. But yeah, big difference between the market environments. We can get about 20GB 4G data for less than $50 here.

Bob

And the 5GHz band has been a bit iffy

allquixotic

The competition in the smartphone space isn't enough to motivate any mobile operator to offer unlimited data tethering, though, except for a few grandfathered options (like Verizon or AT&T with the "legal" hotspot tethering feature on your plan) that you can't buy new, and Sprint if you break their ToS (but they might disconnect you if you use too much data).

qasdfdsaq

Unlimited tethering is a huge liability, we had it on all networks here but they've all withdrawn it over the last 5 years

Bob

I don't know of any carrier here that prohibits tethering. But none offer unlimited anyway.

Except that one weird company doing half-arsed wimax advertised as 4G and working in very limited locations

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq The competition here is mostly centered around who can offer the best deals on getting "more phone" (higher specs, more popular, etc) for "less cost" (subsidized? interest-free pay per month? etc. etc.), and also competition in the cost of entry-level (low data, low minutes, low SMS limit) plans.

qasdfdsaq

3:43 PM

You really do not want egits sucking 1TB per month over a mobile cell.

We also have a lot fewer microsites here and much more red tape for getting indoor coverage.

= much less ability to adapt to local hotspots capacity issues

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq 1TB is a bit extreme, but if you increase cell density and continue to expand spectrum, there comes a point when you can at least start to reduce the cost per gigabyte. However, the problem here is that the cost per gigabyte has been stagnant for a decade. It's $10 per GB. That means if I'm not grandfathered and I want to play a 1080p video on Netflix, it'll cost me $9.99 per month to Netflix, plus $25 in data fees.

The carriers have absolutely zero motivation to even try to reduce the cost per gigabyte.

qasdfdsaq

Different landscape.

It is interesting though when I visited the U.S. that my UK plan even with international roaming charges costs significantly less than I'd have been paying if I picked up a standard U.S. plan from a high-street store.

Bob

@allquixotic We have some interesting promotions now and then :P

qasdfdsaq

(I actually get unlimited free calls and texts while in the US)

allquixotic

Also, consider that population density is low enough in many parts of the United States, that even if multiple people sucked down enormous quantities of data, you can still deal with it. If your tower is not saturated, you are wasting potential. And many, many towers here aren't saturated, because nobody can afford to pay for the data except grandfathered unlimited users!

Bob

3:46 PM

Currently there's one providing 2 GB per weekend

Dave

Selling my grandfathered verizon unlimited plan for 200$

Bob

for $40/month

qasdfdsaq

@Dave We could probably get the same thing for $20 here. No grandfathering required.

allquixotic

You have the opposite problem in cities. Cities have about the same tower density as suburbs, but the towers are always hopelessly saturated. You can barely get any data.

qasdfdsaq

^_^

Bob

3:47 PM

On top of 3GB for other times

Dave

Will come with S4, with vulnerable MDK firmware running the latest lollipop CM 12 os.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic You also have a worse spectrum situtation there. Compared to the U.S. even the worst UK operators are rolling in spare spectrum.

allquixotic

In cities you pretty much need so many microcells that it's almost better to just have WiFi everywhere.

Dave

@qasdfdsaq: I pay like 120$ a month for mine

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic There's a market for that growing. Independent companies providing backhauled SDR multi-operator microsites and leasing access to the mobile operators.

Also doing multi-technology so they'll run WiFi and LTE and 3G off the same box.

We also have people installing WiFi in manhole covers

allquixotic

3:49 PM

@qasdfdsaq That's neat. They should do that more. Hell, you could do unlimited data plans with LTE to the neighborhood for $50/month and give people LTE hotspots. Drop an LTE microcell at the end of the block.

(thinking suburbs)

qasdfdsaq

The British public are really demanding of tech companies considering how ignorant of technology they are.

Dave

@qasdfdsaq: multi-technology? is that like ppp multilink?

qasdfdsaq

@Dave Err, no. Though lots of people here have UMA.

Dave

ah

qasdfdsaq

s/people/operators/

Dave

3:50 PM

got cha

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq My community is a bunch of low-income luddites, for the most part, so there's FiOS (fiber to the premises, up to 150 Mbps down, maybe 50 Mbps up, not sure on the upstream figure) near enough that I can walk to a house that has FiOS within 10 minutes. But FiOS has never come here.

qasdfdsaq

There's a serious lack of roaming technologies and way too many different access networks.

allquixotic

I was told in 2007 by a Verizon rep, after repeated calls and mail advertisements about FiOS, that we'd be getting it in "weeks".

qasdfdsaq

One of our incumbent ISPs also runs a WiFi network across the London metro

allquixotic

How many hundred weeks has it been since 2007? Anyone? Where's my fucking fiber, goddamnit?!?!?!?

qasdfdsaq

3:51 PM

Bribe someone with FiOS to allow you to set up a wireless bridge on their building

Dave

Love ATT's advertising of fiber ..... over copper lines...

qasdfdsaq

I had been tempted to do that when I'd moved - I used to live on the other side of the street, which could get 80Mbps FTTC. I could still see the old house and the lines going into it but the new flat only gets 10Mbps ADSL

Bob

@allquixotic Heh.

We were promised FTTP in 2011.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Not as bad as the one guy on Ars who bought a house on the promise of internet but couldn't get none.

Bob

In... 2013? Gov changed and that was revised to FTTN + VDSL2 (partial rollout)

My suburb was originally scheduled to begin construction in 2014.

Last week they released the new plans. Now my area is scheduled for late 2018... and they're just going to repurpose the existing coax for HFC.

They also announced an $18m purchase of more copper.

allquixotic

3:54 PM

@qasdfdsaq True, but until we got left off the FTTP train, my neighborhood had always been on about a 5-year lag time behind the latest Internet access phenomenon. We had 56k, then we got DSL and cable to the premises about 4-5 years after it had been first commercially deployed. Then our ZIP code was marked as one of the first to get FiOS.

Bob

So I'm expecting them to announce a 56k rollout next year.

allquixotic

It's been way more than 5 years, though, and Verizon has simply stopped deploying new fiber.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic Describes pretty much the whole of Scotland really. FTTC became available to our flat about 3 months ago.

FTTC in the UK was rolled out from 2008.

Meanwhile other parts of the country get 200-300Mbps HFC.

allquixotic

I've considered moving, but given how I make so little money, it would be uneconomical to live anywhere except, like, Arkansas. The house is paid off and was sold to my family at a relative pittance compared to what houses are going for these days.

The cost of buying a new or used house is just completely unaffordable for all but the elite, now, in any semi-urban or civilized area of the US.

qasdfdsaq

Hey I can't find this supposed argument with ramhound in the comments.

Then again every time he posts a stupid argument he goes and deletes it so no surprise there.

DavidPostill

3:57 PM

@qasdfdsaq I suppose a mod cleaned it up

"no surprise there" carefull ;)

qasdfdsaq

He does it to me every time.

Journeyman Geek

more likey a mod ;p

we delete a LOT of comments ;p

qasdfdsaq

Yeah but the times all his comments disappear but mine don't are probably him doing it himself.

And here meta.superuser.com/questions/10881/…

And yay, EU voted to ban roaming charges on mobiles.

DavidPostill

Hahaha "We hereby inform you that the Scotland Yard Police, Interpol, Federal Bureau of Investigation, (FBI) United States of America, the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) of Nigeria and all the African Crime fighter leaders have come together to stop scam/internet fraud in Nigeria and all round Africa. We have recovered over US$2.6 Billion United State Dollars from the people we have behind bars."

allquixotic

my favorite thing that a mod does is the edit messages by Random

DavidPostill

4:04 PM

"We go all over Africa to pick this internet rats,We have over 8,273 of them in our jail around Africa and we are still looking for more. "

Latest 419 scam email

Bob

@DavidPostill The Onion?

Oh.

That shows a rather startling amount of self-awareness :P

allquixotic

superuser.com/users/307/random?tab=activity

> mint filling scrapings

others: mandarin rinds, oven baked toast, toasted lemons, hayseeds, fried egg crust, crumbs everywhere, peanut butter & egg, twice cooked chicken stock, herb-encrusted watered turkey, slithered carrots, the skin (?!!?), vinegared turnip greens, salmon patties, roasted peels, soured taco...

sounds like a markov chain of words from a cookbook

marcusdoesstuff

@qasdfdsaq MMMMM. Apples.

allquixotic

mild sausages, peppered jacks, standing water, almond milk trickle, slammed tam, buttered wax paper, throat full of grease, hashed mash, breaded garlic, lava drops, wilted pork chops, sour corn, bean sprouts al dente, hoisin sauced, curry onions, moo goo, flossed bits, milled grains, gum residue, rooted veggies, booted watermelon, pureed gravy, bratwurst juices.... silly random!

marcusdoesstuff

4:26 PM

i'll have a throat full of grease please.

allquixotic

I like the idea of oven-baked toast

man, now I really want some buttered toast... just plain, nothing else... it sounds perfect

GFSE

GemsFromStackExchange: Almost (never|always) a good idea.

posted on October 27, 2015

Almost (never|always) a good idea.

Bob

Hm. Some potential for a repcap :P

Probably posted a bit too late in the "day", though. Pity.

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