Root Access

11:08 AM

@Psycogeek I hibernate all the time, and yes, my disk cache is cleared. At least mostly.

It's possible a small amount of it remains, or it's possible it's just re-cached the same amount by the time I'm past the login screen. Either way disk cache goes from 20GB before hibernation to <2GB after.

Leathe

yes, I meant HNQ :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Next HNQ on SU? That doesn't make much sense to me either

Leathe

1 hour ago, by Leathe

it's one of those days it seems

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hot Network Question.

qasdfdsaq

Ah! I was thinking the diploma.

Bob

11:10 AM

The ones you see on the bottom of the right sidebar.

qasdfdsaq

IT Manager? Maybe better off on SF :-P

@Bob Ah I never pay attention to the sidebars. I've been conditioned to sidebars being solely a place for obnoxious adverts

Bob

Speaking of SF, this question looks more appropriate for SF: superuser.com/questions/995828/windows-10-disable-reset-my-pc

@qasdfdsaq They're actually quite useful on SE.

HNQs tend to be interesting or amusing. Or both.

qasdfdsaq

Yeah. Guess I'll start looking. As I say, my mind's just conditioned to subconsciously block out sidebars from past experience.

And/or other terrible websites

Bob

heh

qasdfdsaq

Like, most of the right hand sidebar on this site: trustedreviews.com

Bob

11:12 AM

Well, whole point of a sidebar is it's supposed to be relatively unobtrusive until you need it.

Unless you're trying to use aliexpress on a phone, in which case the sidebar takes up more space than the content.

qasdfdsaq

Oh oh OOOOHHHHHH

Tesla Model 3 in March 2016?! o_0

FUCK YES

Bob

uhh... that means nothing to me :S

qasdfdsaq

Tesla Model 3 = Tesla's "cheap" electric car

Current models start at $80,000.

Bob

ah

how cheap is cheap?

qasdfdsaq

$30,000-$50,000?

I previously thought it was due 2017.

Where I live there's a government scheme for a $75,000 interest free loan to buy electric cars, ending March 2016.

Bob

11:14 AM

@qasdfdsaq Nice. You planning to go for it?

Leathe

Tesla Motors - selling cars you cannot afford to buy since 2003

Bob

@qasdfdsaq How does that compare to a more conventional car?

qasdfdsaq

Yes. It's exactly what I've been hoping for - otherwise I'd have to stump up $50,000 in 3 months to buy a current model.

Bob

Say... Toyota Corolla (just a random fairly popular worldwide car)

qasdfdsaq

Err, well. Free supercharging for life, zero road tax.

Excellent support (from Tesla), about 300 miles range. They say running costs is 1/3rd that of a petrol car, if you pay for electricity.

Bob

11:15 AM

@qasdfdsaq Still, wondering how the RRP compares

qasdfdsaq

Ah price wise...

Bob

(i.e. how much does the above Toyota or similar cost where you are)

wouldn't make as much sense for AU unfortunately

qasdfdsaq

Good question

Bob

while most of us stay in the cities, intercity trips happen now and then and that can be a considerable distance

though I guess rental cars for those trips are an option

Leathe

hm. I wonder if you have to pay cartax in finland if you buy a Tesla

qasdfdsaq

11:17 AM

Can't find a local price for a corolla but an Auris is $20,000

Leathe

though, then again the car tax in finland is temporary

since 1958..

qasdfdsaq

(But yeah, exempt from car tax here, AND $7500 government grant to buy it)

Leathe

so I wouldn't be surprised if you have to pay taxes on it

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Hm. Doesn't seem to be available here, but close enough :P

qasdfdsaq

The main advantage of the current Tesla Model S is the premium/exclusivity/high tech factor

Bob

11:18 AM

About 22k AUD for a base auto Corolla here.

qasdfdsaq

... And performance. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds

Bob

So, yea. Tesla Model 3 would cost anywhere from 1.5x to 3x as much apparently.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob So that sounds about the same (I was quoting $USD

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Actually 22k AUD is more like 16k USD these days

qasdfdsaq

I dunno what their plans are for Australia, but they're expanding the supercharger network quite fast in Europe, and have most of the USA covered.

Bob

11:19 AM

@qasdfdsaq I don't think it'll be too popular here. Problem is the absolutely massive distances involved.

You'd barely make it from Sydney to Canberra on a charge, nevermind the return trip.

Sydney to Melbourne? Nooope.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob That's why they put charging stations along the highways

Bob

@qasdfdsaq What's the charge:runtime ratio?

qasdfdsaq

170 miles range in 30 minutes charging

teslamotors.com/en_GB/supercharger

Bob

Huh. Ok, that would actually work with a rest stop.

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

qasdfdsaq

11:21 AM

Heh, they have south-east Australia covered already, from Melbourne to Sydney

Leathe

2 supercharger stations in finland

brilliant

Bob

> 120 kW

qasdfdsaq

And going up to Brisbane next year. But nothing in the rest of the country. Even china has more o_0

Bob

500A at 240V O_O

probably three-phase though

qasdfdsaq

^^ And this is why there's a shortage of them in Scotland

Bob

11:22 AM

@qasdfdsaq Really? Interesting.

qasdfdsaq

They've got disagreements with the power distribution companies and without their help it's rather hard to get that kind of power supply :-P

Bob

I went down to Melbourne over the last new year. Didn't notice any.

@qasdfdsaq Sounds like you'd need to run dedicated lines out there too, so even that would be a pain.

qasdfdsaq

teslamotors.com/en_GB/findus#/bounds/… <== Here, apparently

There's usually only a few per city. But they can also use goverment/council/private charging points, just not that fast.

Bob

Ahhhh in the cities/towns. Not at actual rest stops.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: sad thing is singapore is perfect for that.

Bob

11:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek You don't even need cars in Singapore -_-

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: They don't allow dogs on public transport.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob If you look at the U.S. you get a better idea of their strategy

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh.

qasdfdsaq

Basically, they just lined all the major highways with them

Journeyman Geek

Not even in a crate.

(or cats, but who wants them anyway. And birds.)

I'm not too sure about turtles and fish.

Bob

11:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek I always thought you guys were mostly bus/train/taxi

Leathe

singapore has 7516 people per square km

o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Dad drives.

Bob

Similar to NYC now that I think about it

Journeyman Geek

and cars are bloody pricy

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Singapore doesn't need supercharging stations

There's nothing stopping you charging it at home, and with 250-300 miles range you'd basically drive for a week in Singapore

Bob

11:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek Taxes?

Probably good with that population density though... I can't imagine that many cars in such a small area.

The gridlock would be insane o.O

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: but if you use cars for energy storage, and/or charging with large multi story carparks...

Certificate of Entitlement

The Certificate of Entitlement or COE is the quota license received from a successful winning bid in an open bid uniform price auction which grants the legal right of the holder to register, own and use a vehicle in Singapore for a period of 10 years. When demand is high, the cost of a COE can exceed the value of the car itself. == History == On 1 May 1990, the then transportation unit of Singapore's Public Works Department (PWD) instituted a quota limit to vehicles called the COE when rising affluence in the city-state catapulted land transport network usage and previous measure to curb vehicle...

this is one reason cars are pricy.

qasdfdsaq

Finland doens't have tax exemptions for EVs unfortunately

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: My car park is 5 stories tall, and shared by around a thousand apartments.

Leathe

aww :(

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Still a good 360km between Goulburn and Wodonga...

qasdfdsaq

11:28 AM

Still. Superchargers are intended for dealing with range anxiety on long distance trips.

Bob

That's cutting it a bit close :P

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: Oh, I mean EVs in general

Bob

So, it's a start.

qasdfdsaq

I don't know where either of those places are

Journeyman Geek

heh

Bob

11:29 AM

Will definitely get better in the future, but you're still looking at up to 4 hours of charging for a one-way trip. from Syd to Melb

Journeyman Geek

My uncle used to live in Goulburn

its erm

famous for its sheep.

Leathe

all we know, they're 360km apart

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yeah, and the Americans apparently don't mind.

@JourneymanGeek LOL

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Looks to be the longest distance between superchargers in the Syd <=> Melb trip.

qasdfdsaq

That's not too bad

Journeyman Geek

11:30 AM

@qasdfdsaq: You can edit ~~pots~~ posts

qasdfdsaq

Officially quoted range is 280 miles on the lowest model, 400 miles on the highest

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

You'd be making a minimum of 3 stops on the way. With only two chargers available in Euroa.

Yea, it'd work but it's still clearly in very early stages :P

qasdfdsaq

They're adding three more around Woodonga this year though

Bob

@qasdfdsaq A bit of battery wear and I could see that dropping to the point where I wouldn't want to risk 360km on the lowest one though.

shrug dunno, haven't been following Tesla that closely

sounds great for city driving

Leathe

11:32 AM

fill the trunk with all the batteries

qasdfdsaq

It's on the map I linked earlier under the "Coming soon" tabs :-P

But I agree Australia isn't the best place for it, given the low population density

But Tesla as a company is one of the few that know what they're doing really well and are making a difference globally.

Their support is exemplary. One guy's car caught fire after he ran over a tow hitch so they offered free retrofitting of kevlar armor to all existing owners

Bob

@qasdfdsaq It can actually be a bit hard to find petrol stations on that trip, if you're the type to leave it till near-empty before refuelling.

This is one of the more common long-distance road trips too.

Longer and you might as well take a plane.

qasdfdsaq

A 300-mile range EV is quite impressive on it's own, and free charging stations is a bonus. But it's probably still best for city driving or commuting

In fact I haven't the faintest clue what I'd do with one, I just want one.

Bob

lol

I'm usually on public transport.

qasdfdsaq

Me too.

Bob

11:35 AM

Read a book, take a nap...

qasdfdsaq

BUT I WANT ONE

We get free public transport here

Journeyman Geek

I know the feeling.

0_0

Bob

@qasdfdsaq o.o

Journeyman Geek

like free for everyone?

and heh. If the paypal clone hires me, I need to check out the bus route

Place is INSANELY near where I live tho

(and no, the transport companies here are for profit, and arn't what they used to be)

Leathe

you live in singapore, EVERYTHING is close :P

if you say "insanely close", it should be literally nextdoor

or like, just across the street

the mainland of singapore is 26 kilometers from south to north. my commute from home to work is 13 km :P

so I travel that length once a day

Journeyman Geek

11:42 AM

lol

There's far places

qasdfdsaq

Dammit how do you do strikethrough

Leathe

--- before and after ---

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ---strike---

Leathe

~~derp~~

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

;p

qasdfdsaq

11:47 AM

@JourneymanGeek It's free if "If you're ~~a dinosaur~~ over 60, or ~~are mentally retarded~~ have a disability"

Got it, at last!

Bob

> We support ~~a limited subset of~~ Ghetto Chat Markdown styling in chat

Journeyman Geek

I was trying to remember what Ghetto Chat Markdown was called ;p

Leathe

@qasdfdsaq where do you live? :b

qasdfdsaq

Ah, I was looking at the FAQs on the main site

Psycogeek

weird new water heater uses Wi_fi, only one problem with that, there is no Power plug around water heater in this house :-( well the other problem would be not wanting to re-boot to take a shower.

qasdfdsaq

11:49 AM

@Leathe Scotland

Leathe

ah

Journeyman Geek

0_0

How would you power the water heater without a plug?

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek With WiFi!

Psycogeek

yea microwaves :-) it is gas.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

that is wierd

Bob

11:51 AM

@Psycogeek You still need electricity to light those, usually?

(ones I've seen have a gas pilot that's lit manually via electricity -- a sparker)

Psycogeek

all the new "efficient and digital" models of even gas type want power, but the original install, and location design was for pilot light gas only.

qasdfdsaq

So if the gas goes out you have to relight it manually?

Psycogeek

@qasdfdsaq yes, it really never did, although sediment and rusting out tank is the biggest problems.

Hennes

@Bob Which is why we (humans) have nice solutions such as bikes and subways. :)

Psycogeek

the whole garage (Where it is installed) has crap for power anywhere, some kind of elite design, where the humans could afford to hire all that Power Tools type of work :-)

Hennes

11:57 AM

Up late, coffee. Webcomics.
Check mail
Log into Se.
See [this](http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/11/03/guys-who-overdo-it-on-stackoverflow/) ....

gmm, lets make that wider

2

Bah. WIder but not bigger

Still need to click on it to get it readable.

Right. First some coffee, shower and maybe breakfast. Then back to jobhunting.

Journeyman Geek

lol

good luck

Hennes

Still waiting from Philips to see if I can started there this week. Preferably on Tuesday or earlier....

Which means that:
1) Yes, I still want that job.
2) No way I am going to finish it in time.

Leathe

but it's wednesday now o.O

Hennes

About 1 weeks work is 'one weeks work under normal conditions. Not when the systems are overloaded in the last week before the end of a 3 month release cycle, with queueu usually up to 6 hours '

Aye. Maybe this monday. But could be Tuesday or Wednesday.

It is Wednessday and I still have not heard anything

I do not want to seem pushy or desperate, but time is running out

A proper start would have been this Monday, making use of 14 hours per day...

Then it would have finished on time

qasdfdsaq

Mmmm Philips

Hennes

12:07 PM

Awell, I should not complain as long as I get the job

qasdfdsaq

They've been supplying loads of mah stuffs

Hennes

And I have plenty of time to finish it if I set my own goals to the next release in 3 months and a week.

Journeyman Geek

do people actually go door to door to find jobs?

Hennes

And I should keep my tongue in check.
No "**BEFORE** I left I told you what needed to be done and that this task needed to be transfered. I left documentation in youyr mailbox". Why TF did people not act on it.

I have done that one to get to checkmarks on a form.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: phillips... makes stuff?

Oddball monitors maybe

Hennes

12:09 PM

No experience in the job applied for. No chace of getting it.

But it allowed me to spent more time on what was a relevant option while still meeting quota

Philips makes nice stuff. They just can't sell it

Making things is one thing. Making things which people want is another

E.g. the 7 Tesla MRI scanners are great toys for research institutes. But no hospital needs them.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was thinking consumer side stuff

qasdfdsaq

They make a lot of light bulbs

Oh I wouldn't mind a MRI scanner

Also - my first ever failed power supply! Yay.

Admittedly it doesn't belong to me but eh...

Journeyman Geek

first?

Ever?

qasdfdsaq

First! Ever!

Journeyman Geek

How? 0_0

Pre-emptive replacements?

qasdfdsaq

12:14 PM

Dunno.

We don't really break many PSUs at work. This is a server supply in a NAS that died though.

Journeyman Geek

Granted I used to buy cheap shit

qasdfdsaq

I've never bought cheap shit at home. My first ever PSU is still running in my server.

Well, first PSU I've bought separately. I had bundled PSUs with old PCs that went out with the old PC but still worked at the time.

Bob

I have cheap shitty PSUs. None have failed yet...

qasdfdsaq

I have above average PSUs sitting around unused because of my own paranoia :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

I don't buy shitty PSUs now cause I'm spiled by modular PSUs ;p

qasdfdsaq

12:18 PM

Yeah, I upgraded my semi-modular to fully-modular recently

Y'know how everyone always blames all mysterious PC crashes on "It must be the PSU" on SU?

Journeyman Geek

Oh, mine's semi modular...

qasdfdsaq

Well I fell for it and tried replacing the PSU. Guess what? It wasn't the PSU! DUH

Journeyman Geek

Its the lupus of computer issues?

qasdfdsaq

I stuck in a fan and pointed it at the CPU socket, and it hasn't crashed since. But sometimes it goes 3-5 days without a crash anyway

Journeyman Geek

oh

sounds like the cooler then?

qasdfdsaq

12:19 PM

Nah, temperatures are fine and it's water-cooled

But I suspect some component around the mainboard isn't getting enough airflow without an air-cooler blowing around that area

Journeyman Geek

heh

this is why I want to add a FLIR camera to my toolkit ._.

qasdfdsaq

Except, all the voltage regulators are temperature regulated and nothing in that area feels hot

Yeah, my thoughts exactly!

My flatmate has been obsessing about buying a $1500 FLIR camera lately

Journeyman Geek

flir.com.hk/flirone/content/?id=69420

250 usd. Fits into your phone

Leathe

fits into your camera? o.O

qasdfdsaq

He means phone

Journeyman Geek

12:22 PM

I said phone

Leathe

:D

qasdfdsaq

ORLY

chat.stackexchange.com/messages/25155207/history

Journeyman Geek

Didn't I say phone? OF COURSE I DID. (play no heed to the edit history, even if I can nuke it)

^

;p

qasdfdsaq

ORLY

Journeyman Geek

(the joke being I ninja edited and didn't hide the ~~bodies~~ edit history)

qasdfdsaq

12:28 PM

You can't nuke imgur!

I hope

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I can nuke the chat entry

And I'll repost it!

But while I joke about abusing power, I normally don't ~~get caught doing it~~ ;p

qasdfdsaq

12:35 PM

Heh, as it turns out this system isn't miniITX after all

It's FlexATX

Apparently a dead derivative of microATX from 1999

Psycogeek

dont forget that cheap azz thermal camera for android (flir also makes an add-on for iphone)

amazon.com/Seek-Compact-Thermal-Imager-Android/dp/B00NYWAHHM/…

@JourneymanGeek oh, well this one you linked looks much better.

Hennes

If you have an old digital camera then you might not even need that.

Many of those do register infrared and have a filter to remove that.

Remove the filter, turn off the light and take your picture.

qasdfdsaq

12:52 PM

Yeah, he had a Seek Compact but returned it, apparently it's too crap

Psycogeek

"Though it will find ghosts, I found the QUALITY of the Ghosts lacking. I was able to find ghosts of Hobos, Winos and murdered Prostitutes no problem, but when it came to finding ghosts of princesses, kings and presidents I was sorely disappointed. I give it 5 stars for technology, but only 3 on ghost hunting"

Journeyman Geek

lol

Sathya

Leathe

wat

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