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11:01 AM
true
 
there's no "right" solution... what I'm suggesting is just the easy solution
 
I think a rep limit of 300 on any site is good, you get 100 rep free on every site when you pass 200, and because you got that 100 rep on every site, you can flag everywhere
2
 
that sounds like a potential quota calls
 
How does it work if we make it a soft limit? I.E. not automated, but human-enforced, and not strict, but rather a general guideline?
2
 
that sounds good
you could probably add a wiki page with the guidelines
 
11:04 AM
I was just thinking that :)
 
later
 
28.7k posts caught. I feel like we should do some swag for 30k, but $$$
 
Speaking of smokey, I have a cleanup PR incoming soon hopefully :)
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in answer: How to show only hidden files in Terminal? by Jamie Willman on askubuntu.com
 
11:13 AM
@SmokeDetector k
 
sd rude
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://advancedtrimsite.com/megadrox/ by frigwilliam on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
Does k mean spam specifically, or does it also cover rude, offensive, nonsense, or anything else worth destroying?
 
sd k
k is tpu- which is true positive, so I think anything.
 
k is spam
sd k
 
11:16 AM
@SmokeDetector Six different reasons to report looks pretty bad.
 
@Randal'Thor k == spam == rude == abusive == tpu-
 
doesn't metasmoke treat rude differently
 
@ArtOfCode Ah. I was wondering because @Quill said k and then edited to rude.
 
Nope, they all translate to green ticks
 
@ArtOfCode And green ticks translate to 15 rep.
 
11:17 AM
@ArtOfCode ah
 
@Randal'Thor The difference is for humans, not for the bot. It's more obvious why it's a true positive if you use the extra commands.
 
@SmokeDetector notspam
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Brûleurs de graisse Stimulant by Hatur1943 on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon)
 
sd spam
 
le spam
sd k
 
11:23 AM
And foreign spam at that.
 
Actually, if you Google translate it, it makes more sense than most English spam does.
 
Noooo, the quick links to the git repo has been removed from the star field
 
Project links: Blaze (GH) | SmokeDetector (GH) | metasmoke (GH)
11
 
@ArtOfCode thx
 
@ArtOfCode Yeah, I'm still lurking there. Just came here to get away from the school talk ;-)
 
11:27 AM
@ArtOfCode let's not use Charcoal as Meta Mos Eisley ;-;
 
@Quill nah, just pinging the scifi mod 'cos he was here and they were looking for some
 
ah okay
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Exercise And Proper Sleep For Weight Loss by Jlszsloi on drupal.stackexchange.com
Backoff received of 10 seconds on request to http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/67387;67320?site=workplace.stackexch‌​ange.com&filter=!)E0g*ODaEZ(SgULQhYvCYbu09*ss(bKFdnTrGmGUxnqPptuHP&key=IAkbitmze4‌​B8KpacUfLqkw((
 
uh nice
CC @undo ^
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
11:31 AM
FTFY
 
@SmokeDetector k
@ArtOfCode thanks... missing out on cat photos is very saddening
 
Just a missing %20. All Smokey needs to do is URL encode the URL before it posts it.
 
makes sense :p
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, pattern-matching website in body: so it can likewise be expended before you by kinsjuriyam on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How does a non contact voltage tester work? by Mike Smith on electronics.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
11:33 AM
sd 2spam
I wonder... why do spammers spam? Is it just because they get paid, or is there some perverse allure to posting crap that nobody cares about and seeing how long it lasts? — ArtOfCode 6 secs ago
 
usually they link to a site and have like 15 ads on the site
 
Maybe it's some intelligent life which is trying to communicate. They've seen spammers spam, and keep coming up with new and ingenious ways to spam when they just want to make friends.
 
for places with a more technical user base, it's identifiable as crap. but on other places they must actually have people click on it and earn them ad revenue
 
Surely they must have realised by now that posting spam here just gets nuked, and doesn't get them much in return?
Or maybe it does, and they keep spamming because it's profitable enough to be worth it?
 
we need a Psychology.SE
 
11:40 AM
@Quill Closed as opinion based
 
Closed as a duplicate of MSE
 
@Quill we've got Cognitive Sciences
don't know what the scope is, though
 
why don't you have a seat on my oddly shaped couch and we'll talk about it
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: PHP exception overwirte toString() by Sibin on stackoverflow.com
 
it's got a gif of a repeating circle thing wat
sd rude
I thought it was gonna be something bad... that was a surprise
 
11:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Le café noir est grand parce by chaudhrysunny888 on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://advancedtrimsite.com/megadrox/ by solisidkenneth on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: how to convert photoshop document to magento theme? by George Smith on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
11:57 AM
sd 3k
sd gone
 
Self-deleted.
 
@Quill Try to avoid using sd gone without giving the post feedback, you have seen the post and know what happend, if we later see a post without feedback on metasmoke we need to check what the cause was
 
it was gone before I saw the post
otherwise I would've marked it
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Chamomile calm Can Improve your Overall health by user546068 on askubuntu.com
 
sd k
 
12:07 PM
sd k
 
!!/pull
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 0afb902 (normalhuman: That was a premature commit on my part) (running on Raspberry Pi)
Restart: API quota is 5753.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: why does Twig render blank page? by Nguele on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector n
 
@sandwich Do you read the rooms transcript every time you join?
 
Usually, not every time.
 
12:18 PM
considering the presence of not so positive stars... and a chat flag for that... it's good incentive
 
@Quill You could always click on the three dots at the end of the report to see the metasmoke report for it.
 
sd k
 
12:37 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Is there a way to GLOBALLY set the DEFAULT keyserver for gpg on Debian? by eisenbahnfan on unix.stackexchange.com
 
Not sure if abuse or a rare Unix command.
 
sd k
MacBook-Air:~ Quill$ pinsch hurra super hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
-bash: pinsch: command not found
MacBook-Air:~ Quill$
it's probably a node package though
 
@Edity I've reverted the commit adding you; it was a mistake on my part, not checking for a strong record of participation on the sites. Sorry about the confusion.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: How to mass populate State & Country picklist values by muchacho on salesforce.stackexchange.com
 
hmm, looks like it's being handled
 
12:46 PM
^ I think f, although somewhat suspiciously, it was edited by an anonymous user - the edit was accepted by high-rep users.
 
There's some history: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
But since a mod saw it, and the link is to GH... fine
 
the mod swapped the link to github from a heroku page
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Is Max Muscle Extreme Really Heplfull For Muscle Building? by gariencrouse on askubuntu.com
 
sd k
 
12:58 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: How do i root my samsung galaxy s duos GT-S7562? by Lee Little on android.stackexchange.com (@AndrewT.)
 
the moderator seems to think it's just low quality
 
Backoff received of 10 seconds on request to http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/326655;326697?site=english.stackexch‌​ange.com&filter=!)E0g*ODaEZ(SgULQhYvCYbu09*ss(bKFdnTrGmGUxnqPptuHP&key=IAkbitmze4‌​B8KpacUfLqkw((
user image
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[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: how to display the set cookie to another html page on submit by Kathiresa on stackoverflow.com
 
sd rude
 
1:19 PM
@Ferrybig I agree with this 300 rep min on one site. The issue is, most of us here, have been here a while and are devoted to the site, this type of devotion comes with participation as a contributor on the site. I think it's a good rule of thumb, to access the rite of moderation and meta there needs to be contribution on the site first. Really this is a off shoot of moderation. (although technically unofficial)
 
@ArtOfCode Woo! Swag! Though, I've got to say that I probably am not in the running for Smokey/MS/Charcoal swag any more. I don't think I've made a code contribution in a long time.
 
@Andy I was thinking more everyone with over X feedbacks, which you would qualify for. But...yeah, $$$
 
given that most of the devs on it are youngsters, maybe normal will have to cover that ;p
 
I'm a (technical) adult.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: WPF Label Foreground Color by mussnermanuel on stackoverflow.com
 
1:23 PM
sd k
 
sd k
 
@Yvette I also think users need accounts on more than a handful of sites. The user that started this discussion had 3 accounts last time. Ubuntu, SO (1 rep) and something else (with 1 rep). They have been a user on the network since mid-April. There is no way they know how to moderate on the SE network at this point yet.
 
can we alias :( with k? /s
@Andy I don't think that's a decent metric... general rep based requirement works fine enough for chat as is
 
I also should have done more at this point last night to stop the chat spam. Sorry about that everyone.
 
@Andy totally agree
 
1:26 PM
@Quill I disagree. Smokey/MS is an aspect of SE. It is partially gamified in that we show feedback results and everyone wants the higher percent accurate numbers, but it is still part of SE. If you are here only to get the Smokey high score, you aren't actually doing anything for SE. You have to be able to flag posts on sites. Having only 3 accounts is not helpful.
 
I don't think people are gamifying smokey
 
@Andy It's a group effort, I know I'm not an official member of the team, but I've been around long enough to pull people up, which I did today. "he" was excited and we don't want to squash exuberance, but we also need it to be a good "work" place for the regulars who are here over time.
 
"high scores" are a metric of gamfying just like meta posts would be
 
I was also going to suggest a minimum join period on one of the sites also.
 
@Yvette It's a fine line that's hard to gauge, I also felt bad about not stepping in either
2 hours ago, by ArtOfCode
How does it work if we make it a soft limit? I.E. not automated, but human-enforced, and not strict, but rather a general guideline?
 
1:28 PM
I belong to all the sites, so I can flag and comment on them all. We also need people to flag reports, not just make reports for SD's db.
 
These all sound like awesome guidelines... but to add them to the code seems a little bit over the top
 
@Quill there's nothing to feel bad about. Just some min hard limit.
I remember when I asked for privileges here I had my hat in hand, I felt it was a big deal and I think it's good for the room to have that feel (to a point).
 
@Quill I'm not suggesting adding them to code. I'm making an argument for policy on Art's 'soft-limit' side. I think users need to actually be able to flag stuff on a sizable portion of the network
 
okay well then that sounds awesome :)
 
I don't think we should add people here without knowing them as a regular from a site, a meta or chat room
 
1:31 PM
Backoff received of 10 seconds on request to http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/35424;35424?site=crypto.stackexchang‌​e.com&filter=!)E0g*ODaEZ(SgULQhYvCYbu09*ss(bKFdnTrGmGUxnqPptuHP&key=IAkbitmze4B8K‌​pacUfLqkw((
 
e.g. I came from SOCVR
 
anyone who hangs around meta on so or se soon recognises people
 
The way I see it
 
@SmokeDetector smokey, that's the most uncute cute cat pic I've seen.
 
1:32 PM
hey there @Magisch
 
we need some sort of vetting beyond "Do we think this guy isn't insane" to be both in here and be privileged on smokey
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Hey
 
@SmokeDetector that's frightening
 
Have this
 
@Magisch thank you darling :)
 
@Magisch yeah, we're working on defining some "soft-limit" guidelines
 
1:33 PM
@Quill maybe we need activity in meta (somewhere) or a room like SOCVR or tavern
 
> {"error_id":400,"error_message":"No site found for name crypto.stackexchang‌​e.com","error_name":"bad_parameter"}
 
yeah
 
All of our recent backoffs have a strange character in the site parameter. Copy the text and look at the URL. The one I quoted above expands to this:
http://api.stackexchange.com/2.2/questions/35424;35424?site=crypto.stackexchang‌​%E2%80%8C%E2%80%8Be.com&filter=!%29E0g*ODaEZ%28SgULQhYvCYbu09*ss%28bKFdnTrGmGUxnq‌​PptuHP&key=IAkbitmze4B8K%E2%80%8C%E2%80%8BpacUfLqkw%28%28
Notice the characters in site
 
sd k
 
1:39 PM
sd k
 
sd k
duckduckgo says that translates to: ‌​
 
@Andy Looking at that, it looks like key also has the strange characters.
 
Restart: API quota is 5097.
 
When I joined here, I had around 400ish rep on SO
 
apparently that translates to: €ŒÂ€‹
 
1:43 PM
The site parameter characters appear at the chat line break for the message, but the key ones are appearing in line. Search
 
@Andy It also uses the wrong site, it should use crypto instead of crypto.stackexchange.com
 
Notice the recent crypto one, the final e in stackexchange is on a new line and that characters appear between the g and the e. The key however, is all on the same line.
 
1:55 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Batch File input validation - Make sure user entered an integer by syc on stackoverflow.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Reason to give for personal loan in USA to buy land in India? by Kimberly Packard on money.stackexchange.com
 
sd f k
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
2:17 PM
@Andy That points to it being on the chat side or CE side - the key is a static part of the sting, not dynamically added
 
@ArtOfCode Keys are fine to expose
 
@Undo they are?
 
It's the server-side secret in one of the with flows you have to be careful of
Stack Apps says, IIRC, "your can embed this in client-side binaries"
 
Fair
 
Requests are tracked on a key+ IP basis anyway, so someone can't say up Smokey's quota unless they're on my network
 
2:24 PM
should this be a config thing?
 
No
 
oh you're talking about it now
 
Here, have the smokedetector key from the source: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…
Or, even better, a search
 
> Pass this as key when making requests against the Stack Exchange API to receive a higher request quota.

> This is not considered a secret, and may be safely embed in client side code or distributed binaries.
 
Considering the public API is only for read access, there's no security issue IMHO
(just passing by~)
 
2:30 PM
is there a specific code style you guys are following for smokey? cc @undo
 
@Yvette min rep... meh. Standard of behavior? Sure: "If I get pinged more than once because you're abusing the system, you probably don't need to have access"
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@Quill "It doesn't break"
 
@Quill Flake8, and what Andy said
 
@Undo yes keep it simple
 
2:46 PM
Restart: API quota is 4585.
 
2:57 PM
Hiya
 
@AshishAhujaツ o/
 
3:20 PM
I've written up a wiki page on becoming privileged and the standard of behaviour we expect - tell me what you think.
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I think we've hit the pinacolypse.
there, that's better
 
Surely you mean pinpocalypse
 
@ArtOfCode Looks fair and reasonable to me, nice work
 
> We assume that moderators are, on the whole, pretty good at moderation.
 
@ArtOfCode Looks sane to me
 
3:22 PM
good assumption
 
sd f
 
sd f but crap
 
lol
 
@ArtOfCode That's really well written :)
 
excellent :)
 
3:26 PM
@ArtOfCode I think you should add a line linking to the getting privileged page over here
 
yep, makes sense
 
> you're capable of getting on with the users and administrators
I'm done with images now. Carry on.
 
lol
 
3:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Crepi il lupo in English? by jacoob on english.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
Why didn't sd detect this edit? See revisions
 

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