Charcoal HQ

Magisch

9:00 AM

It's not like I have ownership of the 120 lines of tsql this is based on

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micsthepick

!!/location

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@micsthepick angussidney/EC2

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tripleee

@Magisch again, it's not the tooling so much as the communication of results that I think we can discuss and perhaps change

!!/watch maestrogoslin\.com

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Magisch

9:08 AM

@tripleee Not like I have a standing line to the entire SO mod team

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Magisch

And everyone knows shog has more important things to do

tripleee

sure, I'm grappling over your rejected flags and how to avoid those while still somehow continuing this effort

Magisch

right now I'm thinking I'll just leave the entire thing and save myself the effort. The tools are still there if anyone else wants to use them

CalvT븃

All this talk of voting rings - I flagged what I thought was one on the 8th of March, and it was marked helpful but no rep removed, so I thought I wouldn't bother doing it again - but just checked it to get the date and saw the user had 110 rep removed on 2nd of April \o/

tripleee

9:11 AM

if you feel it's not worth your time then sure, let's not waste time on solving a problem which will go away by itself; but perhaps the effort could still continue if we found a way to fix the wrinkles

and then perhaps also get more people on board to share the load

if there's a way to do that and still stay within the guidance you have received

Makyen

Perhaps what's needed is a Meta discussion about what "helpful", "disputed", and "declined" mean to mods vs. what they mean to users. Recently, there appears to be a disconnect between what a few mods on SO have been attempting to communicate with "declined" flags vs. how users have interpreted those flags being declined.

From a user's perspective "declined" means: "Flagging this way doesn't help the site. Don't do it. What you flagged, or how you flagged was wrong. You need to go back and re-evaluate how you are flagging posts." That hasn't appeared to be what has been desired to be communicated.

CalvT븃

Especially when too many declined invokes a ban

Magisch

@tripleee Right now it looks like if i continue this I'll sit at a bunch of declined flags and possibly a flag ban at some point. Not that I mind this much but compared to my normal flagging activity getting any declined flags indicates a mistake I need to rectify

If I get declined flags I need to stop what is causing these.

Byte Commander

@tripleee that's what she said ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Rob

@CalvT븃 We're not able to invalidate votes, so it's likely the delay there was from when a mod contacted the CM team until they had time to handle it

Mithrandir

9:18 AM

@Makyen I wish I could quote publicly part of /help/mod-flags now, but there's a big scary warning on top not to do that.

Makyen

Not to discuss what flags mean to mods vs. users?

CalvT븃

@Rob Ah, fair enough, thanks for letting me know :)

Magisch

This whole operation has already ruined my stats for over a year of getting maybe 1 declined flag in 250

Mithrandir

@MetaEd On the contrary. I do what I do because that's what the moderator documentation tells us to do. "unless the flag was entirely against the spirit of the site or shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the network and the purpose of flagging, you should mark any flag as Helpful if it leads to you taking any sort of action" - see /help/mod-flags on your site, specifically the last section. — ArtOfCode Nov 15 '16 at 17:46

there goes that @art breaking the rules again :P

Magisch

What this tells me is that with the information provided to me I'm unable to flag with enough accuracy to avoid an eventual ban

Which is about as close as you can get to the system telling you outright "what you're doing now, stop it"

Mithrandir

9:23 AM

@Magisch What this tells me is that some mods apparently have slightly different standards for declining than you'd expect (and I'd agree more with your perspective).

Makyen

@Magisch I can certainly understand you coming to that conclusion. That is what the numbers support. However, it's clear from what other people have been saying that that conclusion is the opposite of what is intended/desired. That strongly implies there is a miscommunication/misunderstanding.

Magisch

@Makyen I think I'll retract the still pending ones and wait until I have a chance to find out what the problem is there before flagging again.

Time to find out if the system will kick a fuss if I retract a lot of flags

Mithrandir

...retracting 1/3rd of the flag queue really isn't something I'd recommend.

Makyen

That is an option. I wouldn't do so, but it's your choice.

CalvT븃

@Mag I totally understand you doing it - but a) seems like a lot of work - especially if everything turns out fine and you have to add them again and b) I doubt it'd add any favour with the mods

Magisch

9:29 AM

@Mithrandir it's only 220. I think the queue was at 2k last week

Mithrandir

@Magisch new mods are crazy :P. Anyway, I'd see what happens with these instead of retracting.

If my recommendation has any weight.

Makyen

A Meta post seems more appropriate as a first action instead of retracting all of them, or at least a post afterwards. There's a conversation here that the community needs to have about flags.

Ashish Ahuja

@Magisch 220 flags are quite a lot; they still help the mods in some way to catch bad content. If it would be my choice, I'd not retract them all; whether the mods see it or not, you're doing the community a huge favour, especially as fraud accounts aren't easily caught.

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Magisch

@Makyen I have been asked not to make any more meta posts about this subject

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9:35 AM

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Makyen

@Magisch The conversation that's needed is about what the responses from mods to flags are/should be/mean, not about your flagging, or about you, or anyone, flagging for serial voting (which is what you were asked to keep on the down-low). That is happens to be you that's affected in this specific case is tangential.

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sd - k - k

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Magisch

@Makyen Not sure how to formulate a discussion about that without mentioning the subject

I don't get declined flags outside of this

CalvT븃

@Magisch maybe just ask for clarification about what exactly mod flag responses mean?

Magisch

9:42 AM

@CalvT븃 That's not in dispute. "declined" means "You shouldn't have flagged this", "disputed" means "You were right to flag this but it turns out to be a coincidence" and "helpful" means helpful

reinforced by the fact that you get that condescending message telling you to triple check before flagging if you had any declines recently

CalvT븃

> The conversation that's needed is about what the responses from mods to flags are/should be/mean

Is what Makyen put

Magisch

I dont know how to frame that

CalvT븃

The condescending message changes things a bit

Magisch

If anyone wants to, feel free

Mithrandir

@Magisch "disputed" isn't a standard flag handling option.

Makyen

9:45 AM

@Magisch You can keep it disconnected from the specifics about the flag. You can say you're doing a lot of flagging, which the community has generally indicated is desirable and that you're getting other feedback from people/mods that indicates that you should be doing it, but your getting declined flags which mean X to you, but appear to mean T to the mod.

@Magisch I assume that by "condescending message" you mean the standard system messages you get with declined flags (e.g. something like "you got a declined flag check what you're doing"), not a message written specifically to you by a mod when declining the flag. Correct?

Magisch

@Makyen yes

It only goes away when you get enough helpfuls again btw so I've had that message for 200 flags at some point

Since they were all just pending

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Makyen

Well, if anyone is going to write a meta, it would help to have the exact text of that message.

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Magisch

> Attention: some of your recent flags have been declined - please review them before flagging this post

the "review" is a link to your own flag summary page

tripleee

10:03 AM

@SmokeDetector naa

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@tripleee Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.

tripleee

looks more like copy/paste mistake than outright abuse

angussidney

Whatever you end up doing, I really wouldn't recommend retracting all your flags - not only would it be a total waste of your time, but it would also mean that everything that's pending probably won't be dealt with at all. if you really think that you need to stop and re-evaluate, you can just stop - no need to delete all your hard work.

ArtOfCode

@ThomasWard Yeah, the former. I'm not suggesting we should have multiple reasons, just that we should not end up with weird reasons when users are dumb - so an error message is fine.

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Makyen

10:08 AM

OK. I'm really tired and need to get to sleep instead of nodding-off over my keyboard.

angussidney

@Makyen cya o/

ArtOfCode

@quartata trust me it's not. I tried optimizing it yesterday, still takes ~15 seconds.

Makyen

night o/

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tripleee

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10:12 AM

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CalvT븃

Is the rate limiting on smokey's messages per chat room or per instance?

Mithrandir

@CalvT븃 Per SE account

CalvT븃

So we are actually limited by posting to the extra chatrooms?

Mithrandir

think so, yes

CalvT븃

So the fact we are posting in Test is a huge limit to Smokey?

Mithrandir

10:14 AM

I don't think that it's normally an issue, just... in... special circumstances.

angussidney

More accurately, it's per chat server

CalvT븃

I was just asking because of the "room where only Smokey posts" - wondered if creating one would limit Smokey in any way

And it would seem that if it was on the normal SE chat then it really would

angussidney

We could probably add it to the meta server, since we only post in one room there

CalvT븃

I'd thought about creating it as a gallery room, so no one can post

To make sure it stays as Smokey only

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CalvT븃

10:21 AM

Anyone mind if I go and create it, and see how it goes?

I'd add all the Charcoal ROs as ROs of course

angussidney

Feel free

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angussidney

Don't worry about ROership, just be prepared to add people if they need it

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CalvT븃

It seems like the meta server only allows mods to create gallery rooms

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10:27 AM

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CalvT븃

However I can add one on SO

angussidney

@CalvT븃 do you have enough rep on MSE?

@CalvT븃 nah, it already has SOBotics and SOCVR

CalvT븃

I can add a public one on meta

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angussidney

I can add gallery rooms. What should it be called?

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10:29 AM

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Mithrandir

@angussidney the fire department

angussidney

Sold

CalvT븃

+1

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angussidney

♦ The Fire Department

Where smoke detectors keep us on our heels all day. No chit-ch...

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CalvT븃

10:32 AM

@angussidney Want me to submit a PR to add it?

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angussidney

@CalvT븃 I'm already on it

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CalvT븃

👍

Nice to know Spamtracker already works on it :)

ArtOfCode

@angussidney wanna stick me on the RO list?

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angussidney

If anyone wants write access, now's a good time to ask

Mithrandir

and Smokey

angussidney

...that sounds like an excellent idea

JAD

xd

Mithrandir

@angussidney probably Undo, trip, and Andy as well - have the admins able to talk

angussidney

10:36 AM

Should we send experimental reports there?

Mithrandir

I'd say everything.

angussidney

I'm thinking that debug messages can be left out (restarts etc)

Mithrandir

msg_types:

- metasmoke
- all
- experimental

ArtOfCode

Do we need metasmoke messages there?

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ArtOfCode

10:39 AM

it's mostly just feedback

Mithrandir

IMO feedback is helpful

angussidney

We can always remove it later

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angussidney

I added a bunch of random people to the privilege list, we can fix it up later if needed

CalvT븃

@angussidney In theory no one needs privs there as no one can talk

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10:43 AM

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angussidney

@CalvT븃 I'm slowly adding people. You have access

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CalvT븃

Oh ok - hadn't seen as I've been adding The Fire Department to FIRE

Thanks

angussidney

Hmm, maybe I should change it to no metasmoke messages

Mithrandir

@angussidney The point of the room is kinda so that people can't talk there, no? Just Smokey rambling on

Magisch

10:45 AM

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Q: When to expect declined flags and how do I react to that?

I've been flagging a lot of posts recently with more complicated reasoning then the standard flags allow. On response to that I've gotten several declined flags and it got me thinking, when can I expect to have declined flags and what can I do about it? In this particular topic I'm flagging stuf...

cc @Makyen

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angussidney

@Mithrandir SFTP was the one who requested this (I think), and I'd presume that they want to be able to give feedback

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Cerbrus

@CalvT븃 Please update the readme.md's Version History

CalvT븃

@Cerbrus Sure, on it now

angussidney

10:47 AM

@SFTP I believe you were asking for a smokey-only room, so we've created one for you: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/1181/the-fire-department

Cerbrus

@CalvT븃 Thanks. An example can be found on version 1.0.23

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CalvT븃

@Cerbrus Done. Sorry I didn't include it in the original pr

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CalvT븃

@angussidney maybe those messages should be part of the room description? The pinned messages will disappear with time.

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10:54 AM

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CalvT븃

Huh. Seems like there's a lot of appreciation for your serial vote flagging work @Mag ... not.

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A J

How can I get FIRE to work in the other room?

CalvT븃

@AJ Update it

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JAD

11:01 AM

@SmokeDetector k

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Rob

!!/test WestsideLuxuryApartments

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> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Rob

!//watch WestsideLuxuryApartments

Mithrandir

@mag do you happen to be on keybase?

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Henders

@CalvT븃 What's the reason behind creating PRs and approving them instead of just directly committing if you're going to approve them anyway?

Magisch

@CalvT븃 unsurprising

@Mithrandir no

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CalvT븃

@Henders One merge, as I have to edit multiple files

Henders

@CalvT븃 Oh and you're editing directly on the GH UI?

CalvT븃

11:06 AM

@Henders aye

Thought it'd be better to have both the files changed in one change

doppelgreener

!!/watch sstechsystem\.com

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Rob

!//watch WestsideLuxuryApartments

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doppelgreener

@Rob !!/ not !//

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11:09 AM

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Rob

!!/watch WestsideLuxuryApartments

Oh, right

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@Rob You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1991 for you.

Rob

Thought I caught it in the middle of a restart cycle the first time

Cheers

doppelgreener

rad :)

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Henders

11:10 AM

@CalvT븃 Yeah, sorry, I assumed you were pushing to github. My github email count just hit the roof is all :P

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CalvT븃

@Henders Sorry!

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Henders

@CalvT븃 I'm just feeling moany today :P

!!/alive

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@Henders Of course

Wai Ha Lee

11:12 AM

!!/allspam stackoverflow.com/users/9594929/aditya-kin

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JAD

@SmokeDetector k

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Magisch

You are raising flags about things that we don't have that much more information about so some flags will get declined as we won't necessarily see what you see. Why don't you send the information direct to the CMs? — ChrisF ♦ 1 min ago

This means I just need to stop alltogether since the CMs have more accurate tools then I do themselves so it's necessarily not a priority for them

CalvT븃

!!/watch welookups\.com

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ArtOfCode

@Magisch I'm gonna be blunt: You're overreacting and reading more into things than their authors intended. Declined flags don't mean "stop or ban", they mean "mod thought that was the right thing to do". Chris saying "send it to the CMs" doesn't mean "stop", it means "send it to the CMs".

Magisch

@ArtOfCode There is no channel for me to do that

So it does mean stop

ArtOfCode

sigh

doppelgreener

The contact page in the bottom left goes to the CMs

ArtOfCode

that

Magisch

11:19 AM

Well they already have the query so unless you're suggesting I send a weekly dump of pre-reviewed user links to them I'm already done

doppelgreener

Ok, if you want to stop that's up to you.

ArtOfCode

The CMs will deal with serial voting when it's there in front of them, but they don't necessarily have the time or tools to go looking for them. You have both of those things. That seems like a pretty good arrangement to me - you do the finding, they do the hammering. Makes best use of everyone's time and abilities.

Magisch

From what I hear from SO mods about 70% of what I flag gets escalated, the other 30% are socks the mods can deal with or false positives I can't know about

I have a feeling all that sending these to the CMs directly will elicit is a "stop abusing the contact us feature" after 2 or 3 attempts

ArtOfCode

!!/blacklist-username rayaz

doppelgreener

What ArtOfCode saying is true and accurate

SmokeDetector

11:21 AM

@ArtOfCode Blacklisted rayaz

ArtOfCode

@Magisch soooo... why not ask them?

doppelgreener

But it looks more like you personally just want to stop, because nobody else is telling you to stop

ArtOfCode

They're not an alien species who are liable to dissolve you in purple goo the moment you say a word to them, promise

SmokeDetector

CI on a0dd75c succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

Yvette Colomb

!!/blacklist-website sysinspire\.com

SmokeDetector

11:22 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a0dd75c (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of rayaz by ArtOfCode --autopull) (running on angussidney/EC2)

Henders

@ArtOfCode I heard it was green goo...

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 17997.

doppelgreener

Of course it would be green goo

Magisch

I've never gotten a response to a contact us ticket (tried twice, been both pending or status-ignored for more then half a year) and pinging shog in chat over that feels wrong

doppelgreener

Who would do purple goo

Byte Commander

11:23 AM

Do you even get any feedback on contact-us?

ArtOfCode

@Magisch that's actually the kind of thing chat would be good for. A quick "hey Shog, if I sent you a spreadsheet of potential serial voting each week would that be useful" would be the quickest and easiest way to find out.

angussidney

> never gotten a response

doppelgreener

@YvetteColomb We don't have any records of that domain in MS. Did they do a spam dump on one of your sites?

Byte Commander

I didn't so far, IIRC, but I also only reported a scraping site

A J

@ArtOfCode How are you sure that it will go to Shog? ;)

doppelgreener

11:24 AM

@AJ i figure Art means a chat ping?

Yvette Colomb

@doppelgreener yes

otherwise I'd put it on watchlist

A J

@doppelgreener Ohh.

doppelgreener

@YvetteColomb thanks :)

Yvette Colomb

@doppelgreener :)

Magisch

there I pinged shog in the tavern

now I'll wait

Yvette Colomb

11:27 AM

!!/watch welookups\.com

SmokeDetector

@YvetteColomb That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in answer and Potentially bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

CalvT븃

12 mins ago, by CalvT븃

!!/watch welookups\.com

:)

Yvette Colomb

ninjad!

@SmokeDetector that's ok smokes... I was ninja'd by Cal

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: Redirects using IIS Rewrite Module by Shweta on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev f01ff0d (angussidney: -metasmoke messages from fire department) (running on ArtOfCode/EC2)

fp- by PeterJ

SmokeDetector

11:46 AM

Restart: API quota is 19942.

Yvette Colomb

!!/watch turtle\.bgpic

SmokeDetector

@YvetteColomb Added turtle\.bgpic to watchlist

@YvetteColomb Tell someone to run git config user.name "SmokeDetector"

tripleee

@ByteCommander I usually got some sort of "thanks, sorted now" when I reported things like sites plagiarizing SO or account privilege problems

Yvette Colomb

@SmokeDetector someone run git ...

SmokeDetector

CI on a7e0e8f succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

Byte Commander

11:47 AM

:D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a7e0e8f (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of turtle\.bgpic by Yvette Colomb --autopull) (running on angussidney/EC2)

Byte Commander

!!/location

Magisch

@tripleee Never even got a "we recieved this ticket" let alone a response

:p

SmokeDetector

@ByteCommander angussidney/EC2

Restart: API quota is 17750.

tripleee

@SmokeDetector @angussidney

Byte Commander

11:48 AM

@Magisch seems like they're discriminating Germans

Ferrybig

@Magisch They don't do "we received your ticket" on contact-us, nnor they do it when they close it, they only send message when they want it (and if their anti spam code didn't block it from arriving in their system)

angussidney

@tripleee try again

Ferrybig

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Ferrybig ... did I miss something?

tripleee

!!/gitstatus

SmokeDetector

11:53 AM

On branch deploy
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/deploy'.
nothing to commit, working directory clean

tripleee

!!/blacklist-keyword jet\W?prox

SmokeDetector

@tripleee Blacklisted jet\W?prox

tripleee

@angussidney seems all good now, thanks

SmokeDetector

CI on 5ee1136 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 5ee1136 (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of jet\W?prox by tripleee --autopull) (running on angussidney/EC2)

Restart: API quota is 17648.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: VAT calculation when using pricing including taxes by TheVAT UAE on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by tripleee

paper1111

!!/watch thevatuae\.com

SmokeDetector

11:58 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +5 more: maleintalk.com/male-booster-xl/ by tylercox on askubuntu.com

@paper1111 Added thevatuae\.com to watchlist

tpu- by tripleee

CI on a2d3892 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a2d3892 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of thevatuae\.com by paper1111 --autopull) (running on angussidney/EC2)

Restart: API quota is 17617.

ArtOfCode

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@ArtOfCode angussidney/EC2

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: or deficiency in that department, you cease utilizing it. by user892823 on superuser.com

tpu- by PeterJ

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Adding recent Wordpress post, with featured image and excerpts to HTML site by Ankush Sharma on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by PeterJ

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer: How can I protect my phone voicemail from being hacked? by Emmanuel A Timi on security.SE

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, +2 more: Noxor Platinum Edition - Improve Testosterone Level & Charge your Sexual Life by Noxor Platinum Edition on astronomy.SE

tpu- by PeterJ

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: Vitality RX: How Does Vitality Rx Work? by Vitality RX on superuser.com

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Install Genoil failed by Ken Lynch on ethereum.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Deploy several contracts at once with webjs 1.0 by Ken Lynch on ethereum.SE

tpu- by tripleee on Install Genoil failed [MS]

tpu- by tripleee

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, potentially bad keyword in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Health Halt This Supplement Used By Everyone by healthwebus on superuser.com

tpu- by PeterJ

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: How to take a stream from a radio by Коля Соколов on stackoverflow.com

fp- by A J

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, blacklisted user: How to get userAddress in two different javascript by Ken Lynch on ethereum.SE

tpu- by tripleee

tripleee

12:47 PM

!!/blacklist-keyword kenlynch\d+@gmail\.com

SmokeDetector

@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad keyword with email in answer and Bad keyword with email in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

PeterJ

Someone got their spam in 4 or 5 minutes after it was closed

tripleee

!!/blacklist-keyword ken\.?lynch\.?\d+@gmail\.com

SmokeDetector

@tripleee No such command 'blacklist-keyweord'.

@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad keyword with email in answer and Bad keyword with email in body; append -force if you really want to do that.

tripleee

oh well

SmokeDetector

12:54 PM

NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi received failover signal.

Restart: API quota is 18616.

Ashish Ahuja

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@AshishAhuja NobodyNada/Raspberry Pi

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