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SmokeDetector

7:00 AM

Merged SmokeDetector #1989.

Magisch

"declined - looks more like a fan then anything coordinated" on a serial voting flag

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 18961.

Magisch

sigh

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Wait so what happened?

Oh someone flagged a 'post'? Yeah I don't see those so makes sense why I am confused.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: The answer for deal with your potential craving. by Museltole19 Virk on superuser.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Herbs To Allow Them To Control Mens Menopause by Melvolina on drupal.SE

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Makyen

7:08 AM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Yeah, one of SD's posts got flagged. Someone probably just made a mistake. meh.

Ferrybig

Morning

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

\o

angussidney

@Magisch -_- I hope this isn't SO?

Magisch

@angussidney was on SO

Of the past 20 handled flags 3 were declined

I think my helpful flag % is gonna take a hit

angussidney

Worth asking Undo if he can take a look into it?

SmokeDetector

7:11 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Advantages of Vitality RX? by VitalityRX on superuser.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Makyen Wrong room

angussidney

Woopsies :P

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

But you got a vote from me :p

Makyen

Arrrrg. Looks like I need to make that switch be automatic. Sigh.

Thanks.

Magisch

@angussidney idk

A J

7:13 AM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs but not mine. :P

Magisch

I wont bring it up on meta I've been asked to keep the serial voting stuff quiet

angussidney

@Magisch yeah, that's why I suggested the Undo route. I know he doesn't like us using him as our personal SO mod, but he might be willing to for a once-off

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

"Looks like a fan" is still not proper voting. Seems like it should still be helpful, because "fan" flags should still be invalidated imo

angussidney

Normally I would say leave it, but 'more like a fan' is still serial voting

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Would it be a good or poor user experience if I guide users through a wizard and not let them see it again? by athman8 on ux.SE

tpu- by Makyen

tpu by Zoe

A J

7:17 AM

How to add all of them to watch? one by one?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Is it legal to live on commercial property? by NULL on law.SE

Makyen

Weren't the last three different.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Yes, multiple sites shouldn't be watched together because some may be true tp's while others may be fps

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer, offensive answer detected: I want to leave Islam, but they would execute and kill me by NULL on law.SE

Magisch

This is the pattern I flagged

SmokeDetector

7:18 AM

naa- by Makyen on Is it legal to live on commercial property? [MS]

Magisch

~70% of all flags I raise have a similar pattern

SmokeDetector

naa- by A J

Magisch

there is no way for me to know if it's a fan or actual serial voting

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Magisch different posts?

A J

!!/report law.stackexchange.com/a/27500/15255

SmokeDetector

7:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: I want to leave Islam, but they would execute and kill me by NULL on law.SE

Magisch

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs yes of course

Makyen

@Magisch True, but with ~2-4 minutes between them, the person could be reading the posts (although that's a bit much)

A J

That user is obviously spamming

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Definitely should not be declined.

Magisch

I cropped the post titles as per usual procedure not to name & shame

A J

7:19 AM

a troll

SmokeDetector

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs on I want to leave Islam, but they would execute and kill me [MS]

tpu- by Makyen

Magisch

@Makyen In this case we're talking about 1) a low rep user that 2) usually very rarely gets more then 1 upvote / day 3) getting 5 upvotes randomly spread across their posts in 4) a couple of minutes and then 5) nothing else for days afterwards

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Not trashing the new kids on the block at all... But they are still learning. Could be the case imo.

Makyen

I'm not saying it is, just not clear that it's click & vote w/o reading/evaluating. It's still a bit much, and I don't think the flag should be declined. You raising the flag is helpful. There's no way for you to investigate further. You have to kick it up to them, if you see something you think is suspicious, which this is.

A J

how do you add two domains with the same name but different TLDs to watch list?

SmokeDetector

7:24 AM

NobodyNada/qcpi received failover signal.

Magisch

@Makyen Maybe an indication I should leave the serial voting stuff be to the mods

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/location

Magisch

If any of them have the time

SmokeDetector

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs NobodyNada/qcpi

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

7:25 AM

Restart: API quota is 19041.

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs NobodyNada/qcpi 5933b45 (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of magnumax by tripleee --autopull)

Princess Luna

Solar Flare is offline

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/pull

Makyen

@AJ Something like foobar\.(?:com|net)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Has the Quran (the recitation) been preserved since Muhammad? by Jawed Iqbal on skeptics.SE

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on NobodyNada/qcpi)

Restart: API quota is 19032.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

cc @ThomasWard

A J

7:27 AM

!!/watch showbox\.(?:onl|software)

SmokeDetector

@AJ I hit an error while trying to run that command; run !!/errorlogs for details.

A J

ohh

still alive

Mithrandir

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir ... did I miss something?

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@SmokeDetector that's strange

Mithrandir

7:28 AM

!!/errorlogs 50

SmokeDetector

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-04-09 07:22:16.793118 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-04-09 07:22:47.301292 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.
2018-04-09 07:23:17.332712 UTC

WARNING: Last metasmoke ping with a response was over 120 seconds ago, forcing SmokeDetector restart to reset all sockets.

Mithrandir

@Magisch i poked a SO mod

Makyen

You could try it with a capturing group rather than a non-capturing group: !!/watch showbox\.(onl|software) but it looks like it was a coincidence.

Mithrandir

Is MS regex search down for anyone else?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: update carbohydrates with low carbohydrate by rarv on askubuntu.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

naa- by Mithrandir on Has the Quran (the recitation) been preserved since Muhammad? [MS]

angussidney

7:30 AM

@Magisch I don't think so. You're doing a really good job, and even if they still have to review every case it means that you're still saving them the time and effort required to find the cases

Magisch

@angussidney mhm. If the current rate of declines / accepts continues I'm a bad day away from a flag ban

Makyen

@Mithrandir I kept bringing MS to a standstill and preventing people from using FIRE/AIM, so I haven't been using the MS RegEx search.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/blame᠎ ‌‍᠎⁣⁠‍

SmokeDetector

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It's Rob's fault.

Magisch

hell, if the current ones get handled this way I'll get a flag ban probably

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

7:31 AM

@SmokeDetector There you go @Magisch

~~(just saw him drop in btw)~~ hiya @Rob

Flexo

@Magisch My reading of that was someone came along and said "hey this user wrote a super helpful answer, I must reward them in the only way I know how" with nothing connecting them other than that

Magisch

@Flexo Isn't that still targeted voting?

angussidney

Upvoting a bunch of a user's posts based on the user not the post (esp. when in quick succession) is serial voting IMO

Makyen

Yes, it's still voting fraud/inappropriate.

Rob

Hey

angussidney

7:35 AM

@Magisch do the posts match up to their highest voted posts, or were they fairly random?

@Rob o/

Flexo

maybe but the ones I'm really worried about are sock/meat puppets

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Hmm qcpi hasn't pinged in > 2 mins

Magisch

I have no way of telling the two apart, being a user and all

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/alive

Mithrandir

@Flexo Sure, less priority, but still not acceptable.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

7:36 AM

Smokey's ded

SmokeDetector

teward/Supernova received failover signal.

Flexo

@Magisch yeah - don't take the decline as a slap, it's the easiest way to give specific feedback. All the other ones I've looked at recently have been way more nefarious.

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19999.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

cc @NobodyNada

two in a row

Magisch

@Flexo I'm concerned because I got 3 declines in the last 20

Mithrandir

7:37 AM

@Flexo also see /help/mod-flags, at the end, the bold parts (not quoting in public)

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs teward/Supernova c0682c6 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of reihmann\.de by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull)

Magisch

current rate means I'm looking at a flag ban

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/pull

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Another day, another broken Smokey

SmokeDetector

7:37 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on teward/Supernova)

Restart: API quota is 19991.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

well at least by the end of the day all the instances will be up to date

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: and exceptional. The counting up sheds by Gavem purneth on drupal.SE

!!/location

\o/

And it's down

7:38 AM

!!/alive

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

hmm

suspicious as ever

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Theming probably has three times more spam than legit questions

Flexo

@Magisch that's certainly not my intention

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

cc @ThomasWard x2

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Magisch don't look at it then. Problem solved

JAD

7:39 AM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs /o\

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's hideous

Mithrandir

Also, I've been a bit out of the loop the last few days. What's with the perspective thing? Should I be actively including the perspective key that was in keybase when I start up my instance?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 73857e4 (angussidney: Merge pull request #1960 from iBug/patch-1) (running on angussidney/EC2)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JAD are you singing a rap?

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19999.

teward/Lunar Eclipse received failover signal.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

7:40 AM

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19999.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on angussidney/EC2)

angussidney

@Mithrandir Yep, if you plan on running an instance regularly. Add it to your config. We have a PR which can't be merged until the majority of instances have been updated.

Flexo

I didn't escalate that one and would prefer to be honest about it

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19996.

angussidney

@SmokeDetector I'm going to watch the console for a while and see if anything bad happens

Magisch

7:41 AM

Another mod told me about 70% of the ones I flag get escalated

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well, on the other hand, I never get to flag stuff because of you fast . . . Guys

Makyen

Would not "disputed" be more appropriate?

Magisch

If that holds and not escalated means declined that means I'll need to stop flagging because I'll eat a flag ban every time a batch is handled

JAD

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's good right?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JAD not for me it isn't ಠ_ಠ

angussidney

7:42 AM

@Mithrandir Perspective is a R/A machine learning API by google BTW

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@angussidney teward/Lunar Eclipse

@angussidney angussidney/EC2

Flexo

@Magisch as far as I can see you're a long way from that

angussidney

!!/standby-except angus

SmokeDetector

@angussidney No such command 'standby-except'.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

#fail

angussidney

7:43 AM

!!/standby teward

SmokeDetector

teward/Lunar Eclipse is switching to standby

angussidney

@SmokeDetector looks like one of you isn't updated

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev c0682c6 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of reihmann\.de by K.Dᴀᴠɪs --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

That one

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs angussidney/EC2 d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull)

Yvette Colomb

7:45 AM

@Magisch you're doing a really good job - try not to be dejected by rejected flags. I have my fair share if that makes you feel better. It's that difficult line between communicating what's working and what's not. Maybe it can help you refine your queries

SmokeDetector

naa by JAD on Has the Quran (the recitation) been preserved since Muhammad? [MS]

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It seems like you caused a fire and wanna put it out by sitting on it

Yvette Colomb

Besides if you ever get a flag ban, let us know.

angussidney

@SmokeDetector Looks fairly stable now, let me know if anything goes wrong and I'll have a look at the console

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

ping on standby

Yvette Colomb

7:47 AM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs lol

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector grrr, that stuff never gets an objective answer on the internet

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, +1 more: Keto Tone Diet/Keto Tone Diet/Keto Tone Diet by cesarparrish on askubuntu.com

tpu- by Yvette

Mithrandir

@YvetteColomb Mods can't reverse flag bans.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Mithrandir killjoy

@SmokeDetector K

Magisch

SO survived before my foray into serial voting, it'll do fine

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

7:48 AM

Mods have good relations with CMs, so they could probably convince a reversal of a ban

Flexo

so far it's not got into warning territory yet

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Number of pills/tablets written on the tablets container differ from the actual number inside by user155293 on health.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: you're set up to endeavor, go to the base of the page by Museltole19 Virk on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K

@SmokeDetector F

SmokeDetector

fp- by Mithrandir on Number of pills/tablets written on the tablets container differ from the actual number inside [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +6 more: www.oralhealthplus.com/luna-trim/ by Nould1977 on askubuntu.com

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Unless it's one of those weird spams where the spammer bashes the product

Magisch

7:50 AM

there's another one where a sock was actually deleted and it still got declined

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Yvette

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K self-ninjad

Flexo

@Magisch really?

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs If I get a manual override button for flag ban/warning stuff out of this that's a pretty good outcome

Magisch

@Flexo yeah. My flag on this post: stackoverflow.com/questions/17900696/…

Yvette Colomb

@Mithrandir yeh, but we can always ask someone on the community team

Just tighten up the times on your script @Magisch

Magisch

7:53 AM

@YvetteColomb can't

The time filtering is already incredibly imprecise because I have to use a hack to do it

Yvette Colomb

@Magisch you can't edit the script?

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 18795.

Yvette Colomb

ah ok

Magisch

SE doesn't want me to know the timings of votes. I have to exploit in order to do that

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@SmokeDetector ?

!!/location

SmokeDetector

7:53 AM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs angussidney/EC2

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs teward/Solar Flare

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

!!/standby teward

Yvette Colomb

@Magisch ah ok

Mithrandir

maybe we should just kill teward's

Yvette Colomb

just live with the declined flags.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

7:54 AM

too late, don't think it responds to chat in standby mode :p

Yvette Colomb

I have over 100 declined flags @Magisch - because we both flag on things that a lot of people don't and that's always a risk

Flexo

@Magisch I don't see the deleted sock there

Magisch

@YvetteColomb not gonna lie I got a bit miffed. Before this whole ordeal I had 99,60% accuracy

Yvette Colomb

@Magisch that really doesn't matter - in the schemes of things, you're helping

Flexo

maybe it was a self-delete

angussidney

7:56 AM

@Mithrandir yeo, good idea. If we can keep mine alive for now that would be good as I'm here to debug if needed

Magisch

@Flexo There was 50 rep of serial voting on that user on Dec 31, 2017 and on Jan 09, 2017 7 hours after my flag there was -50 user was removed

Yvette Colomb

@Magisch can you manually check your mod flags and retract any you think are borderline? Or can't you see the times?

Magisch

@YvetteColomb Most people who operate voting / sockpuppet rings don't actually stick to minute times either

Yvette Colomb

@Magisch yeh I know

best thing you can do is try not to fret about declined flags

take satisfaction in what you are doing

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Vitax Lean of 1200 kcal, 1500 kcal or 1800 kcal by rarv on apple.SE

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Flexo

7:59 AM

@Magisch yeah that wasn't a mod who did that I think and the mod tools all look pretty clean now. I think if someone self-deletes it effectively erases all trace of vote fraud as far as mod tools are concerned.

@Magisch just to be clear you're pretty accurately finding a lot of stuff that nobody else is finding

Magisch

All this tells me is that I'm in over my head and should stop

From my side this looks as fraudy as the biggest sockpuppet ring all year

But my side has 120 lines of tsql and a public profile and nothing else

Flexo

that's probably more sophisticated than what we've got, it just not paired with PII access

Magisch

I may try running in the next election again

until then, not much I can do

A J

!!/watch showbox\.(?:onl|software)

SmokeDetector

@AJ You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1990 for you.

angussidney

8:12 AM

blog.travis-ci.com/2018-04-03-incident-post-mortem

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 19983.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in standby mode at rev d8040e2 (metasmoke: Merge pull request #1989 from Charcoal-SE/auto-blacklist-1523256909.3539553 --autopull) (running on Mithrandir/Alqualondë)

Byte Commander

morning, folks

Mithrandir

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@Mithrandir teward/Supernova

@Mithrandir angussidney/EC2

Byte Commander

>_<

Mithrandir

8:13 AM

!!/stappit teward

@ThomasWard I've killed your instances, you'll have to restart them.

Byte Commander

status userscript shows Thomas' Supernova and Nobody's qcpi as red

(last ping ~40m ago)

SmokeDetector

[ metasmoke ] ci/circleci success on dafc74d: Your tests passed on CircleCI!

Byte Commander

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@ByteCommander angussidney/EC2

Mithrandir

Is there any particular reason why Smokey is still running in Test?

A J

8:17 AM

@ByteCommander afternoon

Magisch

is there rate limiting on retracting flags?

Mithrandir

@Magisch please don't go retract all your pending flags

Magisch

I was thinking I'd see if I can refine the procedure and reflag when I've done so

Mithrandir

The point of this conversation was that your flags are generally helpful, and that it would be a loss on the moderation side of things if you gave up. While the declined flags can be annoying (I got flag-banned by Shog the other day on IPS), and I'd still recommend @Flexo taking a look at the end of /help/mod-flags, it's still better for the site that you keep raising them.

angussidney

Question is, can you even retract a modflag and flag it again?

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

8:22 AM

I think you can with custom flags IIRC. But don't quote me

Actually I know you can. Done it .... So quote me

tripleee

thoughts on refactoring the process so it's not dependent on Magisch and his stamina?

Mithrandir

@tripleee :/ I'm not sure how many people I'd actually trust to do this

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This supplement must be bought from the Internet by Leations65 Virk on superuser.com

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

tripleee

automation might actually reduce the trust requirement but that's one of the things I'm asking really

Mithrandir

i mean... mag raised three flags on lit and we sent the site into a flurry for a few weeks and dragged a couple CMs in

Magisch

8:24 AM

Shog told me the other day I should come back when I win an SO election so I guess it's waiting for that

tripleee

cf autoflagging, having the results in a queue and a bunch of volunteers submitting flags of their own based on the information in the queue ...?

Mithrandir

@tripleee That doesn't seem like a good idea.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: The important thing here's to finding by xforofwe on askubuntu.com

tpu- by tripleee

Mithrandir

Each one of these needs to be looked at carefully and evaluated on its own merits.

Magisch

@tripleee I've been asked not to share my query so I think volunteers is out the window

Idk anymore

This feels like it has been a mistake

Mithrandir

8:26 AM

@Magisch Take a deep breath. You're doing something very helpful.

tripleee

I think many of us here agree at least in general terms that this is useful and healthy

I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with the details to be actually constructive but at least I can ask how to make it less painful for you to continue

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: Como realizar los calculos pertinentes en este script PHP? by fuckyou on es.stackoverflow.com

tripleee

apparently some details of the execution should be better coordinated but I don't think that's on you really

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: For a scattering kinsmen shedding pounds by Huble purneth on drupal.SE

tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs

tripleee

I'm not necessarily advocating an open, public queue, but some way for you to communicate your results by means other than sacrificing flags into an uncertain black hole

angussidney

8:30 AM

@Magisch this has definitely not been a mistake. If it was, you would have been asked nicely to stop or shut down/suspended a long time ago

A J

@SmokeDetector need to get that user's name changed.

tripleee

@AJ custom mod flag seems like the way to go

A J

should I use English in custom mod flags on different language site or theirs?

Byte Commander

@AJ someone should mod-flag one of their posts regarding the offensive username. Have you already? Otherwise I'll do.

Always English

tripleee

@AJ I think they can cope with English

A J

8:33 AM

@ByteCommander I have done it already.

Byte Commander

okay, good :)

A J

@tripleee Doesn't matter now. I used the translator and flagged it.

JAD

heh, I think my attempt to convey "offensive username" in spanish would be offensive in itself

A J

I know a little Spanish, though. But I had to use the translator to make sure nothing is wrong.

Ha.. one moderator is from USA.

Rob

@Magisch You're currently responsible for 1/3 of the mod queue, I'd hardly say it's been a mistake. Your flags have resulted in me creating a userscript primarily used to handle your flags. The majority end up finding sock puppets/co-workers. A non-negligible amount result in us finding huge voting rings.

You said it's difficult to tweak the query to be tighter on the time range - but surely, you could check the range just before raising a flag? In any case, please don't get too miffed at declined flags. You're definitely having a positive impact on the site.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:37 AM

That was a moddy thing to say

A J

@Rob That reminds me one of my flag is pending for more than 20 days. :P

Magisch

@Rob I already do that, but most of the serious voting rings (where I know of them) that I found don't have tight groupings either

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@AJ they anticipate your reaction to anticipation of theirs

Magisch

One where I specifically remember had the votes spread over more then an hour for each wave

truth is only relatively few have very tight time ranges anyways.

I don't know how to solve this. The answer to that problem is that someone with more access then me should be reviewing those

Rob

@AJ I'm sure plently are; but we're getting there :)

A J

8:40 AM

@Rob Thank you.

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tripleee

@Magisch which sounds to me like "share your information with a mod by some other means than the very thin and unidirectional mechanism of flags"

Magisch

Also if you take shog's answer here at face value: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/355999 I'm not actually helping much at all

Rob

@Magisch A large amount of what I've seen take place within 2-3 minutes

Magisch

in retrospective this has been mostly me trying to get stuff handled faster that would have been anyways

@tripleee My query isn't a magical formula or hidden. The only difference has been that I've been willing to go through it

there are maybe 5 query results in a batch of 100 I don't end up flagging

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8:45 AM

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Magisch

by shog's own admission it's just a less sophisticated version of what they already have internally

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A J

That's odd. My flag has been marked helpful, but the usename isn't changed yet.

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tripleee

@SmokeDetector not entirely sure I understand enough about this to completely judge but this looks like NAA at best

Byte Commander

8:51 AM

I'm also hesitant, not daring to red-flag

tripleee

@Magisch so are you alien to the idea of collecting your results e.g. in a private gist and sharing it with mods?

Byte Commander

@AJ either caching, or mod decided to validate the flag, but not to take action

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Magisch

@tripleee That is entirely possible without making a gist

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A J

8:52 AM

@ByteCommander I am talking with the mod who handled the flag.

Magisch

you can download the CSV of my query. There's even a column that constructs a link to the user's reputation summary page automatically

Nothing stops the mods from doing this at any point

tripleee

the added value from your manual review seems to be the beef

Magisch

I don't actually do much by hand

My process is this:
1. Open the rep summary
2. Check if the groupings are reasonably close together
3. Check if it's outside the normal pattern of votes for that user
4. If all of the above pass, check if there were other incidents that I can reference
5. Flag
6. Mark as TP/FP in my spreadsheet

Takes about 2 minutes per user

sometimes less

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@SmokeDetector K

tripleee

8:56 AM

the amount of time is not really pertinent, the "I checked and it's not FP" is more of a mental barrier removed

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Mithrandir

!!/notify- 11540 puzzling

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Mithrandir

!!/notify- 11540 scifi

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Mithrandir

8:58 AM

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Magisch

@tripleee Well, you (or anyone else) is free to use my stuff for what y'all want

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