Charcoal HQ

12:00 PM

@Rob If that is the case, then its fine, but when reading the readme, it doesn't mention that its only enabled by default for SO

Rob

Ah, yep. It was mainly designed around Natty, with a bit of Smokey feedback as well

angussidney

Anyway, night all o/

Journeyman Geek

@iBug its also worth remembering, a single person, not flagging a single post, cause they're not sure is fine

Rob

Pretty much only red flags work outside of SO

Bhargav Rao

@iBug Don't. If you're not familiar with an answer, don't suspect it. It's better to fall on the wrong side. Remember that there are huge penalties associated with spam flags (what Angus said).

angussidney

12:00 PM

Don’t do anything stupid while I’m asleep

Journeyman Geek

(also an epic pain in the rear to undo)

@angussidney there goes my plans to juggle chainsaws while mixing a virgin flaming homer.

Bhargav Rao

In that case, it was quite quite evident that the OP added an answer to their own question.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Glorfindel

Bhargav Rao

@Ferrybig regd that, does FIRE show if it is a self answer? ^^

terdon

@angussidney This. Please, please, pretty please.

Bhargav Rao

12:01 PM

@Rob Chief User Script Officer.

angussidney

(I hope I don’t start making a routine of having to say that, it’s the 3rd time this week I’ve had to)

Rob

Heh, I like it

Mithrandir

@BhargavRao no, it doesn't

terdon

@angussidney That is my main worry about charcoal as a mod.

Mithrandir

It shows post content, rep, and if it was edited or autoflagged

Bhargav Rao

12:03 PM

If you're using Smokey to gain helpful flags and not to help clear spam, then you're misusing Smokey.

angussidney

@Mithrandir Exactly why I don’t use FIRE on low-weight posts

Limited information

Anyway, actually cya everyone

Bhargav Rao

@angussidney I share the exact same issues in another room. The really lucky thing is, we're not famous.

@Mithrandir then it probably should.

iBug

I gain (unnecessary) helpful flags in another way, not Smokey...

Bhargav Rao

@angussidney Cya \o

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'skolima' created

CalvT븃

12:08 PM

Just thinking about keeping better "audit trails" - at the moment posting second feedback will replace the first - maybe it should "clear" the first feedback so it is still present and counts towards the invalidated feedback score?

tripleee

@JourneymanGeek there are a lot of domains which use Namecheap which don't trigger this rule; but indeed, that's one of the reasons it is probabaly going to stay in experimental

iBug

@tripleee How does a domain trigget Bad NS?

Bhargav Rao

Anyway, just a few ending notes. Don't go to FGITW on flags. If you don't know how to handle a report, leave it to the others, there are way more experienced people here, who've been mods for longer than what we've been users for.

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tripleee

see above, I explained it about 30 minutes ago

most consumer domains who have Namecheap are on different servers than the spammers

iBug

right

tripleee

12:09 PM

23 mins ago, by tripleee

@WELZ if you do a "dig -t ns (domain)" and it returns Namecheap, that's a bad NS

Bhargav Rao

I need to go as well, got an entire night left and an early morning submission. Cya guys. Do let me know if I can be of help.

terdon

Put simply, not flagging something is never a big problem. Flagging something wrongly can be.

Glorfindel

@BhargavRao Good luck!

Bhargav Rao

Thanks! :)

Cerbrus

@Ferrybig: responded to your GH issues / suggestions

tripleee

12:10 PM

so the "bad NS" actually only happens for "namecheaphosting.com" not "namecheap.com"

iBug

very complex...

Henders

@Cerbrus Well, there goes that plan :p

CalvT븃

@Cerbrus what about MS feedback score?

Cerbrus

Yea... I actually like the "block inaccurate users"

But flag accuracy is just not obtainable from SE's API

CalvT븃

That's what is more relevant here - SE flag score would include all the VLQ and NAA etc

Henders

12:12 PM

Hey @CalvT븃 :) Didn't see you come in!

Cerbrus

@CalvT븃 MS feedback score?

CalvT븃

@Henders o/ :)

@Cerbrus Yeah - percentage of invalidated feedback

For example I stand at 3184 feedbacks, 15 invalidated (0.47% invalid)

Cerbrus

Is there an API endpoint for that?

CalvT븃

Not sure, but that is something we (well Art/Undo) can add

iBug

Do you want MS to show reasons that a !!/report-ed post would have been caught? It's great! Now Alpha Pro Max Testo Boost Whatever has made it! Don't forget to read more >>> github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1677#

JAD

12:14 PM

It's not that hard to "farm" feedback scores though. You could just go to past reports and give redundant feedbacks there

Cerbrus

@CalvT븃 And how would it handle self-cleared feedback?

JAD

(although maybe that's overthinking things)

CalvT븃

Well I just posted this

7 mins ago, by CalvT븃

Just thinking about keeping better "audit trails" - at the moment posting second feedback will replace the first - maybe it should "clear" the first feedback so it is still present and counts towards the invalidated feedback score?

iBug

You want review audits in MS?

CalvT븃

No - just better tracking of users that change their feedback

iBug

12:16 PM

STOP! Look and listen: This is a known FP, designed to make sure you're paying attention. You cannot give feedbacks in <time>.

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'Tschallacka' created

Journeyman Geek

@iBug well, the reason we have those on sites was people robo reviewing.

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