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2:00 PM
Haha, there's a turd in the SD report message now :D
 
> We are confident in SmokeDetector and the three years of history it has. We have had many talented developers assist us over the years and many more users provide feedback to improve our detection rules. Let us know what you want us to elaborate on, features you're wondering about or would like to see added or things we might have missed in the process or the tooling. We'll have Charcoal members hanging around and answering your questions. Alternatively, feel free to drop into Charcoal HQ ...
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@Andy looks fine
 
"features you're wondering about or would like to see added or things we might have missed in the process or the tooling." > "features you're wondering about or would like to see added, or things we might have missed in the process or the tooling."
" added, or things" <-- comma there
 
An Oxford comma?
 
Otherwise, the two "or"s seem related
the "things we might have missed" isn't related to "features you're wondering about or would like to see added"
 
2:05 PM
I'm already convinced the comma needs to be there. Or do you add your reasoning for Jan
 
Not convinced enough :D
 
> We are confident in SmokeDetector and the three years of history it has. We have had many talented developers assist us over the years and many more users provide feedback to improve our detection rules. Let us know what you want us to elaborate on, features you're wondering about or would like to see added, or things we might have missed in the process or the tooling. We'll have Charcoal members hanging around and answering your questions. Alternatively ...
 
reads fine for me but that doesn't guarantee it is good or that your English teacher would approve
 
!!Andy diff 35452703 35452577
 
Looks good to me
 
2:07 PM
Yea
@rene , or that it's English
;-)
 
@rene from the shark obviously :D
 
lol
 
@rene If my english teachers hunt me down for this, I'm just going to be impressed that they found me.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Not able to publish gmail contextual gadgets by Nirbhay on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Floern
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Front assessments that deliver a danger Test Boost Elite? by AngeliaYoungs on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Yvette
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
2:17 PM
"We have had many talented developers assist us over the years" Oh, they upped and left then? How about "Many talented developers have assisted us and continue to do so".
In any case "have had" is not correct English ...
 
It looks like correct English to me.
 
@DavidPostill ...No? I have had it come up many times.
 
Have had sounds correct to me
 
@DavidPostill No pseudo-grammar in this chat
 
2:20 PM
@DavidPostill have had is "have" in present perfect
 
The confusion arises because it's an auxiliary have and a non-aux one
 
> [...] The present perfect in English is used chiefly for completed past actions or events when it is understood that it is the present result of the events that is focused upon, rather than the moment of completion. No particular past time frame is specified for the action/event. [...]
 
"We've had" Fix'd.
 
Yes, it's used for perfective aspectuality
 
*Googles "aspectuality"*
 
2:22 PM
I'm using superior terminology so I must be right
 
I picked up something from english major in HS
:P
 
OK, but it is awkward. Better would be "Many talented developers have assisted us over the years" 1/ It reads better 2/ There is no ambiguity about whether they are still helping us.
 
Some are not
 
@Andy Pedant :)
 
I need to fit in some how, and I don't think I could use words like "perfective aspectuality" :)
 
2:27 PM
@Andy But the revised sentence doesn't specify whether they are or aren't still helping.
 
relax
We got until monday to get the formulation right
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Using Windows 10 Hosts File From Shared Connection by YASİN Aydın on superuser.com
tpu- by Mithrandir
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Test Boost Elite troubles of low testosterone certainly by user72824 on drupal.SE
tpu- by Mithrandir
 
When you open a link to flag it, and you see you already (auto-) flagged it. Self-ninja -.-
 
@Cerbrus I've been getting that a lot...
 
@Mithrandir: You seem to have double feedback on that one.
[tag:bug] ?
 
2:39 PM
@Cerbrus Yes...
 
Known bug?
 
No idea
 
@Cerbrus I guess it had happened before...
 
@AshishAhuja Not what I asked, but thanks for the info :P
 
heh :p
 
2:40 PM
@AshishAhuja naa-
 
imma add an issue on GH
Should probably report it on FDSC?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Alpha prime elite by wdl bnsdf on superuser.com
tpu- by Jan Dvorak
 
Jackpot! \o/
 
14 seconds O_O
 
@Cerbrus what do they say when you hover over them?
 
2:44 PM
@M.A.R. Both FDSC
 
Mithrandir (From FDSC): tpu-
Both
 
@Mithrandir I don't even bother clicking the link anymore
 
And I only flagged oce. I think.
 
@Cerbrus O.O
 
2:45 PM
@Mithrandir you can't flag twice even if you wanted to
 
Might be an MS bug
 
@M.A.R. *rolls eyes and wonders why nobody has a sense of humor*
 
Not sure...
 
Is it just me or is the AIM script broken? It doesn't update anything on new smokey reports..
 
When did GitHub turn black?
@Floern AIM?
 
2:46 PM
@Floern reload charcoal window
 
@Floern It's not just you. Reload the page for a short term workaround.
 
@Mithrandir When SO turned white
 
@Mithrandir we all have a sense of humor. It's just not that weird
@Cerbrus now I want a movie about that
 
@DavidPostill ok then
 
@Mithrandir See starred items ==>
 
2:48 PM
DOn't have a large screen
 
@JF Said he will fix later today.
 
All I see is this
 
The WARDen is here
 
2 days ago, by J F
AIM v0.9 is now available; this userscript adds autoflagging/post deletion information to Smokey reports in this room. v0.9 fixes live updates.
 
2 days ago, by J F
AIM v0.9 is now available; this userscript adds autoflagging/post deletion information to Smokey reports in this room. v0.9 fixes live updates.
 
2:49 PM
ninja'd
 
lol
SNAP!
 
@DavidPostill Supplemental Nutrition and Assistance Program?
 
@Magisch You had better not say anything untoWARD ;p
Slapjack, also known as Slaps, is a simple standard-deck card game, generally played among children. It can often be a child's first introduction to playing cards. The game is related to Egyptian Ratscrew and is also sometimes known as Heart Attack. It is also related to the simpler 'slap' card games often called snap. == Gameplay == A 52-card deck is divided into face-down stacks as equally as possible between all players. One player removes the top card of his stack and places it face-up on the playing surface within reach of all players. The players take turns doing this in a clockwise manner...
If two cards placed consecutively on the pile are identical (or, if a conventional pack of cards is used, are of the same number), the first player to shout "Snap!" and place his hand on the top of the central pile takes the pile of cards and adds them to the bottom of their stack. The player who accumulates all the cards wins.
 
I assume we just upset grumpy coffeeless thomas ward aka known darkness manifest.
also hello art
 
o/
 
2:57 PM
@ArtOfCode TTD has been drasticly down since 3 flags were implemented
 
I'm not surprised
 
Less than 20 secs usually now
 
And the flag count tripled. 😃 What a coincidence.
 
So much so the tavern didn't get a single post since this morning
 
@Cerbrus *facepalm*
 
2:58 PM
I saw a spam post today that was posted 2017-02-15 12:40:11Z and deleted by spam flags 2017-02-15 12:40:26Z
 
gonna call that reasonably good
 
Imagine if this gets implemented in SE eventually, and that goes down to 0...
 
Did the CM team reply, or did the Charcoal team decide to go on without permission?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: qtranslator not supporting hindi fonts? by yashdeep vitthalani on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by Magisch
 
19 hours ago, by Pops
(That just now was me saying your request is approved. At least, until someone else on the team comes by and says "WAIT, POPS DID WHAT?!?!?!")
 
3:00 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
Nice!
 
Why aren't those starred (/pinned)?
 
It could use a pin.
 
@Cerbrus then we would have to find a new job
 
@M.A.R. Then we won
crushed the spam
 
3:02 PM
What would be the fun in that?
 
@Magisch But then I won't ever get a Marshall
 
We're basically on the right track.
 
@M.A.R. I dunno, maybe being the only big commercial website on the Internet not to be bothered by spam, and us being responsible for that?
that's a thing you mention at job interviews to get the job instantly
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Headings to utilize: Hydro Platinum XT 1000 by maansanh on apple.SE
tpu- by Mithrandir
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How can I insert hindi text in mysql? by riddhi patel on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
@SmokeDetector Under 10 seconds.
 
3:05 PM
o_O We're fast now.
 
@ArtOfCode "We organized a fan project and permanently crushed spam on one of the largest sites on the web using sophisticated data analysis and stochastic prediction. No big deal really"
4
 
small data
 
@Magisch I hear GitHub was hiring a Technical Manager (Anti-Spam) a while back. Turn up to the interview and say "you know how SO is spam free? yeah, my fault"
 
@ArtOfCode I mean life is the struggle, not the win
 
@M.A.R. that doesn't stop the win being sweet :)
 
3:07 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Consistent way to use "cursor: pointer" in HTML email? by Luis Gomes on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)
 
But also stop of the heart beat
 
Greetings :)
 
fp- by Mithrandir
 
"(deleted less than 20 seconds after being reported)"
Too fast for MS? Why can't it tell the time?
 
@ArtOfCode sides from being good for resumes, it's also strangely catharthic
to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their relatives
 
3:08 PM
@ArtOfCode @Undo dumb question ... SD sees a new post, marks it as spam, grabs 3 random API keys and Flags spam ... however if one of the users marks something as tpu- ... why does SD look up there api key and mark the post as spam on there behalf (if there key hasnt been used yet) or use another api key (if there API key was randomly used already)?
 
@SmokeDetector you are gray. The post isn't deleted.
 
@CaffeineAddiction Oooooh, that might actually be the cause of this issue I just raised: github.com/Charcoal-SE/userscripts/issues/36
 
@CaffeineAddiction You're suggesting an additional autoflag based on feedback
 
@Mithrandir It was
 
@ArtOfCode But it isn't
 
3:09 PM
@Mithrandir I think grey means acted upon, not necessarily deleted
Oh
 
@Mithrandir All the websocket does is say "X has been deleted"
 
@M.A.R. f
lol
 
It doesnt have a function for "X has been undeleted, unfade that now"
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
@CaffeineAddiction A year ago, I'd have agreed with you, but these days we have FDSC. Most of our feedback comes from people flagging things manually - so setting up MS to try to flag in their name after feedback would be pointless
 
3:11 PM
fdsc is a fine piece of script
 
where is FDSC?
 
How far we've come from the days of manual feedback
 
Yeah, failure of system design. We only hold the post deletion websocket until it's deleted, at which point we say "yep, that's gone, no need to monitor it any more" - so we don't see undeletions.
and thus can't send them down our own socket
 
@YvetteColomb registered as false positive. Added to the Bayesian doc type 'good'.
 
3:13 PM
the chat kept moving, it's true lol
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in username: What is a generic word for a person being visited? by putlocker on english.SE
tpu- by ArtOfCode
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
Bahaha, look at the graph on the dashboard
3
 
FLAGSPIKE xD
working well I see though :)
 
The dry run count is perfect, but we need five more failures
 
3:20 PM
those we'll get
 
@ArtOfCode You see that spiking green graph? That feels like victory
 
aye :)
as do the stupidly tiny deletion times
I don't think the spammers know what hit 'em yet
 
@ArtOfCode: Aww, no-repro on my bug report *Sadface*
 
I imagine an angry indian subcontractor line manager yelling at his employees
 
But I can sympathize.
 
3:21 PM
"Our viewtimes are down 80% from yesterday! What did you do!"
 
@Magisch "POST MOAR SPAM" "but... but... we are!" "THEN WHY IS NOBODY BUYING OUR SHIT? HUH?"
 
@JanDvorak Why do we need failures?
 
@ArtOfCode I'm afraid their spam has been ... puts on sunglasses handled
But seriously this is really nice that we now get rid of spam explosively faster
 
Imagine 5 autoflags.
 
Can we get a graph of deletion times before autoflags, during 1 flag and after 3 flags? That'd be a good thing to have in the meta post too
 
3:24 PM
*Flagasm*
 
@ArtOfCode death to posts
 
@Andy @Undo
 
@ArtOfCode "You didn't even post it!" "I did, just 5 seconds ago!" "Why is it already gone then, huh?!"
 
@ArtOfCode that's like imagining flying cars with auto-pilots
Too futuristic, but bound to happen in a close future
 
I imagine spambot code breaking because account are being suspended while they attempt to post a second spam, now :D
 
3:25 PM
@Magisch they rarely check back though I reckon
They would've already found out something is wrong. We weren't grandmas before autoflags anyway
 
@Pops initial progress report for your amusement: we've just cut deletion times by around 60-70%.
 
In other words: Spam is gone so fast now that most of it doesn't make it a minute
 
We were doing a minute before for the majority of stuff. Most of it hasn't made 20 seconds today.
 
In other words: Spam is gone so fast now that I haven't managed to click more than two questions today to flag.
 
3:29 PM
naa- by Yvette
 
Ok, so yesterday I was told that I need to setup up conditions, preferences, and have 50 valid reports in metasmoke ... that is done. What now?
 
3:43 PM
CI on fa4828b succeeded.
 
!!/pull
 
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev fa4828b (ArtOfCode: New check for that postgraduate spammer) (running on teward/Aurora)
Restart: API quota is 2626.
 
@CaffeineAddiction you're already set up, by the looks. Tick the box on your preferences page, and you should be good to go.
(check it's actually ticked by reloading the page, tick again if it's not)
 
I see no tick box
 
if you're in Chrome it might do that a couple times
happened for me twice :P
ended up turning off my adblocker and it worked :P
 
3:52 PM
Yeah, it is normal software. It sometimes works
 
It works perfectly, actually. If you have two degrees in Computer Science, a Ph.D. in Theoretical Mathematics, and have spent three years developing the software.
@CaffeineAddiction click the write access link
that's where the box will be
o/ @Riker
 
o/
 
odd, a wild checkbox appeared
 
Click it and you're doomed helping ...
 
3:57 PM
@rene lol
 
you're not meant to tell them, @rene
arm the monkeys, but don't train 'em
 
@Riker \o
 
o/
 
4:18 PM
@Riker O_o
 
?
 
@Mithrandir ?
 
@M.A.R. O_o nothing
I was saying hello
 
lol
 
O_o What kind of ''hello'' is O_o?
 
4:20 PM
a mith hello
he's very special don't insult him
saurons with hats are special
 
@M.A.R. everything is O_o at the moment.
 
what about o_O
 
its the "im not quite awake and dont understand wtf you are doing atm" type of hello
 
is that O_o
 
@ArtOfCode question
Is thomas ward not an admin?
 
4:22 PM
@CaffeineAddiction it's the 'my answer has 49 upvotes and I still don't believe it' hello.
 
If not, he should be. If he is, you need to update charcoal-se.org/people
 
@Magisch He's the WARDen
 
@Mithrandir been there done that ... and updated the answer to actually be worthy of 49 votes ... and got 40 more
 
@CaffeineAddiction the site went public less than a week ago...
 
what site?
 
4:23 PM
literautre
 
47
Q: Why was 1984 set in 1984?

Matrim CauthonWas there any special meaning to the year he chose? I originally thought that he just selected a date in the future but now I am not so sure. Has George Orwell or his editor ever commented on the title?

 
@Mithrandir I hadn't upvoted for wahtever reason lol
hf with 10 moar rep
 
@Riker O_o
 
yeah I'm suprised also
 
4:24 PM
Thanks :P
 
I'd upvoted the question
and read your answer
but hadn't upvoted the answer
 
Heh. Smokey picked up the other answer on that question :P
 
@Magisch not on metasmoke, no
 
oh boy there's a mod guys run
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What does the punctuation "//" mean? by dick sucker on english.SE
tpu- by caffeineaddiction
 
4:28 PM
@SmokeDetector k
 
Smallish window of LTE, anything on fire?
 
not yet no
 
> New check for that postgraduate spammer
 
New metasmoke user 'riker' created
 
@Undo TL
 
4:32 PM
this is a cool bot fwiw
 
I'm going to choose to interpret this as "a spammer that got an advanced education in the art and science of his craft"
 
Definitely
But no, everything is remarkably not-on-fire
 
Re metasmoke/#36, pretty sure it's a race condition when FDSC somehow sends two feedbacks in rapid succession
also, need to get a higher density version of that reason accuracy graph. There's one floating around somewhere.
 
@Undo This race condition (though it never resulted in this corruption) happens frequent for me if I clicked the flag link twice because the bad/low quality wifi
 
4:38 PM
fp- by ArtOfCode
 
@Ferrybig Yeah, I sometimes see FDSC bind twice to the flag dialog for whatever reason
Could probably be protected against somehow
 
@SmokeDetector not offensive but link only
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Grub disappeared after resetting my pc by shad0w on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard)
fp- by caffeineaddiction
 
what's '-fp' mean?
 
@Riker That it's not spam
 
4:41 PM
'false positive, and don't respond'
 
ah
 
@Riker fp-? false positive, and don't ping me
 
Feedback given to Smokey by the userscript FDSC
 
@SmokeDetector fp-
@Riker FWIW, you should read this page
it covers about the commands, etc.
 
. . . and subsequently get confused and ask us questions
 
4:45 PM
@ThomasWard huh, cool
@M.A.R. it's not that complicated
 
We really should bookmark a conversation so we don't have to repeat the same conversation over and over again
 
'could also use a phaser rifle but eh
 
naw, copy pasta of a canned message saying "scroll up" is not very friendly
 
metasmoke FR for me to work on later: Have a one-click way to enable autoflags with sane defaults (280/1/1, on all main sites). We should be okay doing that now that we respect moderator status.
(LTE bubble is bigger than I thought)
 
well, phaser rifles are more fun :P
 
4:48 PM
maybe a chat bot for the ch? that keys off specific questions
 
@CaffeineAddiction The idea is that the docs aren't enough
 
I'll make a bookmark in a minute
 
People keep asking questions, and it's not their fault.
The bookmark would be like another piece of docs, but a more practical one.
 
@M.A.R. naw, in most cases people dont read the manual
 
@CaffeineAddiction Well, people interested in how Smokey works do
 
4:50 PM
when you want to learn something, its more comfortable asking questions than reading the man pages cover to cover ... thats the whole reason why SE exists
 
So you're saying docs are pointless?
Yes, few people read manuals. But those very people are the ones a spam-fighting bot attracts
 
@M.A.R. no, im saying people on a site that is geared twards Q/A ... are going to ask Q and expect A
 
!!/lick
 
@ThomasWard licks ice cream cone
 
good.
you're alive.
I should add !!/chaos and have it post zalgo text xD
 
4:53 PM
@CaffeineAddiction Normal people would. i.imgur.com/5fhIOoT.gif
 
@Undo is there a way for someone else to get this information if you can't?
1 hour ago, by Andy
Can we get a graph of deletion times before autoflags, during 1 flag and after 3 flags? That'd be a good thing to have in the meta post too
 
@ThomasWard YESPLEASEYESPLEASEYESPLEASE
 
... but @Undo would probably kill me if I did that :P
 
@ThomasWard Chicken
 
i'm not even sure how that would render in the IDE lol
tests
 
4:55 PM
@Andy I have a local dump; could probably get one to Art if we needed to.
And I have SSH.
Although that's something that could be on /graphs
s/could/should
 
Sometimes I wonder how many of those cunning SU spams we have missed, and how many of those still live up to today
 
@Undo /me will never object to a fresh data dump
 
@ArtOfCode just sounds wrong when you say it like that
 

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