@MDMarra huh... CAS in a DMZ? That's the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing that

@pauska For OWA?

@MDMarra you use a proxy for OWA (like TMG)

And autodiscover and all that?

I dunno dude, I don't do shit with exchange

Didn't Microsoft just discontinue TMG?

autodiscover is not dependant on DMZ

I'm so sad that Microsoft is ditching the Forefront products

I really like TMG and ISA before it

@RyanRies Why's that?

@pauska For off-network autodiscover to work it does

@MDMarra Yeah I guessed that much, every exchange role requires AD :-)

We don't do that here, but we did at $lastjob

@JoelESalas I just found them really useful and I like using them

r0ar?

on-network autodiscover is done via AD, not via DNS

@RyanRies TMG is the only one being dropped? the others are just getting renamed.. and the UAG will still use TMG

@RyanRies MS is like Apple. Stay in the ecosystem, spend a lot of money, and everything will mostly Just Work

@MDMarra yeah they dont sell it any more.. lots of loadbalancers now provide the same proxying features for stuff like exchange

Surely they don't expect everyone to buy a dedicated proxy though

Especially for smaller installs

small installs dont proxy

they just forward https to the single mailserver they have

hell, we have 700 users and we dont proxy

we just have 3 servers in a DAG (one of them is offsite), and thats it

but trust me, you do not put exchange in a DMZ.. never ever.

why

too long to explain

blogs.technet.com/b/exchange/archive/2009/10/21/3408587.aspx

mailboxes on the inside, cas in the dmz seems reasonable from an outside perspective

Hrm, Windows confuses me. I am trying to figure out a Windows update issue and I have a wireshark running on a mirrored port. Windows update is in the 'downloading phase' and went from 45% complete downloading to 57% complete downloading without a single packet being transmitted or received....

@MDMarra and yet it's not at all

read the blog and you'll understand

Not sure where to start with this: if I want to display a number on the screen with bash that changes as the task progresses, how would I do it? clear and reecho each time?

or whatever, put your exchange stuff in dmz and have fun :)

@Basil Pipe it to pv? :)

@pauska Heh, like I said. I don't do anything with exchange. We have exchange guys for that

I was just asking out of curiosity, since from an uneducated perspective it seems to make sense

@MDMarra gimme a sec, I managed to remove my manuals on my system. I'm googling "man pv" now :P

@MDMarra well, think of it this way. Putting the CAS servers in the DMZ provides no security at all. They would need full access to AD and to every mailbox server. Clients on the inside network would need basically full access to the servers in the DMZ (easy to accomplish). And, you can't deploy a proxy in the DMZ, since the CAS servers are already there. CAS on the inside and proxy in DMZ is ten million times more secure.

so there really is zero reason to do it

bam PSRemoting enabled bitch!

OWA all the things

one caveeat.. exchange 2003

@MDMarra So if I wrote a script that loops through 20k unique values in a 30k line file and does calculations and error checking on them, how would I use pv?

@Zoredache Windows Update has done that since forever.

@Basil fucked if I know. *nix is voodoo to me

so if you're running on piss poor old outdated non-supported software.. sure

@MDMarra hehe

If nothing goes through the pipeline, then you cant

oh that was another discovery with powershell today

@MichaelHampton I see. I have never watched it update before... I somehow assumed that when the word download was displayed, Windows was actually downloading things.

@Basil pv goes in a pipe xyzzy | pv | plugh

holy hell the pipe abuse..

or well, "abuse". it works great

@Zoredache No, mostly what it does is waits around with its thumb up its ass.

it's like get-bleh -Name blah | format -Table | sort blah | vodoo | shit | yo

ok, so pv isn't what I need. I need to echo something to the terminal, and then delete what I echoed without having to clear the screen, and then write something new. Is that possible?

@Basil that kind of defeats the point of using echo

yawnnn

Don't echo the first thing in the first place?

@Basil github.com/tlatsas/bash-spinner

@MichaelHampton I wanted to have it start off saying "checking for this in these addresses", then replace that with "checking for that in those addresses"

Can you drive in France with a US license?

@Basil Don't bother, just echo them normally. Otherwise you'll just confuse the next person to use your script..

Better yet. Just write it to a log file that no one will ever look at

@MDMarra >/dev/null 2>&1

@ScottPack cat @MDMarra >/dev/null 2>&1

@JoelESalas Yes, but get a permit from AAA before you go.

ok thanks for the advice guys

@MichaelHampton Oh man cool

@Basil If you're not careful someone's neckbeard will develop sentience and yell 'useless use of cat' or some bullshit.

this is my last day of work for 2 weeks

@ScottPack The only neckbeards I talk to are you guys.

@Basil s/>\/dev\/null 2>\&1/\&>/dev/null/

@Basil There are no neckbeards here. If you want neckbeards, hit up unix.SE

@Cole lucky you

@MDMarra except I'll be a T-Rex for a few weeks.

@Iain Oh does that redirect both descriptors 1 and 2?

@Iain I am having trouble parsing that. I need to get more comfortable with regex

@ScottPack &>/dev/null - yes

@Iain Cool, I didn't know that.

WOAH STACK BOT YOU FUCK

@MDMarra there'll be no more till they tweet new status for the SE network#

@basil try echo -en "Your text\r" ; sleep 5 ; echo -en "Some Other text\r"; sleep 5

@Iain thanks :)

So much missed rep :(

@MDMarra could have had me answer questions and I would have received it ;)

@MDMarra I can downvote some, so that you can earn more?

@pauska You'd have to downvote a lot

Like 45 things

I'd break even at that

isn't downvote -2?

ya

@MDMarra I feel terrible for you.

My heart weeps.

thanks man

you're a real bro dick

brodick

spiderbro :(

@pauska fuck that, I hate spiders.

@Cole You wouldn't hate spiderbro if he lived

@MDMarra stfu, you have more rep than I do. Go bounty some shit!

@Cole what is this, bad fratboy porn?

@voretaq7 yes, if you want it to be.

@Cole do I get to pick the fratboys?

@voretaq7 I suppose.

@Cole Sold. Get the camera and the $67,000 worth of lube!

@voretaq7 oh, I only have $66,000 worth...gotta stop at the store then.

(not porn, just superqueer hilarious)

somehow that came up in my youtube playlist last night while I was showing someone Video On Trial

Wish I could wear headphones to listen, BUT I CANT

@voretaq7 THE RICH GET RICHER

Question, fools...

@MDMarra You're no Skeet, sir.

@MDMarra you don't want to be the Robin Hood of SF?

@voretaq7 Skeet skeet

@Cole No

I do not

Client wants us to remove quad-core CPU's and put dual-core CPU's in.

wat

To get around a licensing issue.

my thoughts exactly ^

@MDMarra yes, well, he's unfortunately named, but he's also a brit.

I said, "change the core-count in the BIOS"

jesus take the wheel

@ewwhite not sure that's license-kosher (depends on the license)

@MDMarra @WesleyDavid has his "OH GOD GET ME OUT OF HERE" face on in that pic...

Client thinks replacing the 5400-series CPU's with 5100-series is the way to do this.

@ewwhite Don't you host cloud shit?

(which is wrong)

Why do they care about licensing

@MDMarra Oracle.

@ewwhite Ouch

same as:

bahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahah‌​ahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahahah‌​haahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahah

(I'm laughing at you because of Oracle licensing)

Oracle licensing sucks cock.

e.g. on a running server, it's stupid to try to put old CPU's in...

@ewwhite My condolences on the prison rape

Not my money.

Glad I don't have to deal with the Oracle licensing here.

@ewwhite no, it's Oracle's money.

@ewwhite I'm going to assume it's going to fuck the OS up doing that...too.

your company is just holding on to it for a little while.

@Cole probably not, but it's certainly not the RIGHT way to go about it if your licensing says disabling the cores is as good as uninstalling them.

Licensing makes me cry.

@Cole eventually you learn to like it. Or at least not cry so much. It's like an arranged marriage to the ugliest guy in the village (that'd be Oracle).

Even MS makes you license all physical sockets in a box even if you're virtualizing

The upswing is you can then install the same license on as many VMs on that box as you want

@voretaq7 but I don't want to marry Oracle! He's stupid and an idiot! sobs

I'm surprised Oracle hasn't started licensing by the mip.

@ScottPack . . . please delete that before they come across it in a Google search and get ideas.

@ScottPack They do have market position and abuse it mercilessly

@Iain must...resist...urge...to....make....buttsex....joke

@voretaq7 why? - you're not normally so backward at coming forward

licenses... what would we do if we played by the rules entirely?

@WesleyDavid ?

@Iain I've already made 2 buttsex jokes and a prison rape reference at Oracle's expense - if I keep it up it will lose all meaning

@ewwhite go bankrupt.

The response from client: "This software is licensed based on the Intel model number; E5405 is a quad-core processor."

Does that seem valid?

so a position is opening up in the Networking group here

@ewwhite no (at least it seems fucking stupid because what if I buy a new Intel chip model next year? My license is suddenly invalid?), but I haven't read the licensing agreement...

@voretaq7 Wondering if I should press further or just put dual-core procs in.

I know IBM's licensing is based on processor model.

@Cole jboss?

@ewwhite Domino.

We're a Domino shop.

@ewwhite how much do you care? :)

a little.

@Cole I'm sorry.

The end of Domino is in sight for me. Moving to Google Apps.

@ewwhite will it cause foreseeable problems in the future term for which you are likely to be at this employer?

@voretaq7 no, just trying to avoid having people try to replace CPU's.

@ewwhite Write a memo, then do whatever the person above you wants.

@voretaq7 we're just moving forward and doing it for the client.

but that's pretty messed up.

@ewwhite do you have a short Indian man in your sales department who jumps up and down and says "But the customer is going to cancel"? :-)

naw...

I miss that guy from $job[-1] -- mostly because he would say it about shared hosting customers who paid like $20/month like they were a big deal when he had IBM Hosting customers paying us $20K/month on his call sheet.

Wouldn't $job[-1] be your current one?

@r.tanner.f I wish

$job[job.count -1] ?

Surgery center calls, I call back - not answering. Called me at 3 - she only works till 430 -_-

Not sure if spammer

well well...new CEO as of today...should make for an interesting company year

@TheCleaner Hope you still have a job in a year!

if not here, somewhere no worries there. But I've been here 8 years...so I'm not concerned at all about that.

"Reorganize the whole business" is always the first thing a new CEO does.

@ewwhite We would be good people. Poor, but good people.

=P

And the last one was only here about 1 year...so I think I'll be fine.

unless he asks "why are you on chat.stackexchange.com all day" then I'm screwed.

@Cole Remote?

@TheCleaner Why would he even know about network traffic? That sounds really, really bad already.

he won't...I was kidding

@TheCleaner U NO CAN HAZ KIDDING IN HERE!!

The Comms Room is srsbiz.

I thought the Comms Room was 10% live support, 20% making fun of questions, 40% trying to find each other jobs/projects, 20% Random Image fun, 9% people complaining on why they were down voted, and 1% srsbiz.

oh, srsbiz? I've come to the wrong place

No. It's 110% live support, 110% of the time.

Also, it's 1:30PM and I need lunch. You know what that means...

@WesleyDavid Mint Spaghetti?

And 2% Cheevos. Don't forget the Cheevos.

quickmeme.com/meme/35syx5

Hello bros. Im looking to start a datacenter

@mossy I can help you!

Ok.

The 90's called, they want their animations back.

@mossy Lease my rackspace.

@WesleyDavid has a great rack

Pics

Like, from scratch? Or Just lease a couple of racks

@WesleyDavid why is a banana saying it is peanut butter and jelly time?

@mossy kk, I'll show you my rack

Was in the setup phase. Looks a tad bit cleaner.

@ewwhite's HP he sold me will reside in the bottom spaces shortly I hope.

Your switch is backwards :)

@WesleyDavid hopefully it powers on.

@MDMarra He's a cat. What does he know about racking equipment? :)

are those poweredge 650's?

@ewwhite It does. =P

@MDMarra I like it that way, you fiend! =P

@DennisKaarsemaker R200s and 860s

Probably going to remove some of them to make room for other things.

I was just putting all my junk in there to get it out of the house.

heh. I have some 2850's at home that I need to throw out

power hungry crap

Oh, @ewwhite @Iain and @freiheit what say ye about: ebay.com/itm/ws/…

I has two 1850s at home for a period.

@WesleyDavid it's a road bike. Nothing special. Won't be able to do a rack or fenders.

but it'd be good for distance

@WesleyDavid remote wat?

The surgery center was SO nice

@Cole sexy nurses?

@voretaq7 I hope so, I'll be in FL

But the lady on the phone was SO nice.

@WesleyDavid Looks nice for a roadie

Definitely getting nervous now.

@ewwhite Yeah, no braze ons. cc @Iain

@Cole If that network position could be filled remotely.

@WesleyDavid oh, no.

Need to actually do physical plugging in of cable/ports/etc

@Cole But... but... cloud!

@WesleyDavid we don't have any cloud lol

We still have NT Domains, you think we're going to go cloud? nope.

@ewwhite @Iain I was half considering going hipster-fixie all up in this hizouse: ebay.com/itm/…

@Cole NT Domains make The Baby Jesus shit hisself.

does. not. compute

@WesleyDavid so much shit

I showed my manager the AD Topology and he just said "wow, I didn't realize it was THIS bad"

Funny, my boss is going to be in Orlando next week - I'll be in Ft Lauderdale

@tombull89 network card with an identity crisis?

@DennisKaarsemaker guess so.

@tombull89 It's a knockoff Entel brand

@WesleyDavid That's too much for a fixie