The Comms Room

jrg

6:00 PM

it's monty python. never is. ;)

Iain

@voretaq7 as in Nobody expects ...

Jacob

@jrg Aren't you in the wrong chat? :P

@Iain yes

:(

@ewwhite ok

6:02 PM

@MDMarra and all of the rest of the best practices for RDS

MDMarra

I'll have to dig those up from somewhere, tbh. I don't deal with RDS/TS really

jrg

@Jacob Nah. I run a small business network. this is relevant.

ewwhite

@MDMarra it's stuff like disabling screensavers, etc.etc.

MDMarra

@ewwhite Right. I'll look into it and take care of it

Jacob

@jrg Though, I still hold the title as SFs youngest member when joining :)

MDMarra

6:04 PM

Is it being used in production now, by the way?

Have users migrated to the new file server?

ewwhite

I've done it before, but can't find the guide I used.

jrg

@Jacob heh

MDMarra

@ewwhite Yeah, I'll dig it up

ewwhite

@MDMarra nope and nope... doing an exchange move this eveing

MDMarra

Ah ok. So is this a "go ahead and do it" request?

ewwhite

6:05 PM

yes

MDMarra

Ok. I'll take care of it tonight then

Cole

Boss is asking about sending people to PowerShell training classes (not me, but other guys in the group) - anyone know if there's anything worth it out there?

Or tell him to tell them to read a book?

tombull89

Aww. I missed the fun

pauska

@Cole Get-Help

Cole

@pauska basically what I said.

mossy

6:07 PM

ustream.tv/channel/apl-puppies

pauska

@Cole I'm not kidding (so much) either.. get-help with -Full gives you detailed examples

or just use technet

MDMarra

the scripting guy blog on technet has good shit

lots of "this is how it worked in VBS, this is how it works in PS"

Cole

@pauska I said, and I quote "I don't know about training, I learn everything through TechNet/blogs and Get-Help"

pauska

like I said earlier, I was in a session today with the inventor of powershell

he got asked by one of the people in the audience "what's your most used command in PS?"

he answered "get-help"

Cole

That's awesome

pauska

6:09 PM

and this is the guy who wrote PS v1.0..

Registered User

@MDMarra can you give a link to the blog you are saying I usually have learned most of the things from internet

Cole

@RegisteredUser blogs.technet.com/b/heyscriptingguy

Registered User

Thanks

Cole

-1

Q: What exactly is the very best sort of screen to place my old coins in?

I have started collecting coins, and I need to understand what exactly is most readily useful for keeping them in good shape.

custom

-_-

Iain

@RegisteredUser blogs.technet.com/b/heyscriptingguy - google is you friend

tombull89

6:12 PM

@Cole wtf that's just gone from Off-Topic to spam.

Cole

@tombull89 yup

Registered User

@Iain I get your point I just wanted to be sure that I am on right link

BALEETED!

@voretaq7 in your reply you mentioned some thing about attendent software is it some thing similar to the following google.co.in/… which I searched or I should search some thing else

Michael Hampton

6:15 PM

@voretaq7 Spammers don't care about the FAQ.

voretaq7

@RegisteredUser I meant accounting software, but you would need a phone system (and possibly a receptionist) too.

tombull89

@voretaq7 probably needs a bit more than that...

Registered User

Actually what I am willing to know is slightly different from my original topic

MDMarra

@RegisteredUser You know that you can't just start a "friends and family" ISP, right? You need to buy transit on a backbone. The equipment and licensing costs are literally hundreds of thousands of dollars

Registered User

see I get your point

MDMarra

6:16 PM

With recurring monthly costs

You can't just pop a router in a datacenter and charge your friends $5

Registered User

I still want to do my experiment may be it is valuable for me

MDMarra

What experiment is that?

Registered User

the same thing ISP thing

MDMarra

You, literally, cannot do what you describe, even on a small scale, without hundreds of thousands of dollars

Iain

tag teaming spammers are back & destroyed :D

Registered User

6:17 PM

once a client asked me

he was willing to bill the users of his VPS

based on data usage

MDMarra

...that's not being an ISP

jrg

that's being a colo (well, virtually.)

MDMarra

Now you're talking about reselling services on a server. That's entirely different.

voretaq7

@MDMarra eh, you can get acceptable third or fourth tier transit for about $10k/mo/uplink

MDMarra

@voretaq7 And you need all of the equipment to support that. Plus delivery of said transit to friends/family, etc

It'll easily break 6 figures

Cole

6:19 PM

PowerShell for XP is just a Windows Update, right?

Chopper3

@RegisteredUser Hey, I wonder if you could help us if you had a moment? there are a few of us here that are interesting in a voyage to Mars, we're all super-excited about it but other than us having flown a lot we have next to no experience in modern space engineering - is there a site we could go to that would help us make this almost insurmountable knowledge-gap in one jump? we'd be very happy if you could help us, thanks in advance.

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Cole

I think?

Registered User

I never knew what exactly he was doing some how that project was not much further but this question is still there in my mind and it struck me know as how will one bill when there is an ISP and want to bill people based on data usage or various plans see there is no lack of enthusiasm as far as business is

concerned I know a guy who made large amount of money just starting an antivirus company and he was simply high school graduate the link is not in English but you can Goolge jagran.com/news/…

MDMarra

@RegisteredUser Creating an application is different than being an ISP

Registered User

I may be lacking technical skills at this point of time in my life but I am determined to be one irrespective of amount in USD involved in that

MDMarra

6:21 PM

This is the second time you compared starting an ISP to making an application (google was your first comparison)

tombull89

@Chopper3 Pfft. I've played Kerball Space Program, how hard can it b-oh.

Registered User

I just wanted to give an example

MDMarra

Anyone can make an app. There is little initial investment. If it does well, you scale up and hire people. If not, you have code for your portfolio

Registered User

I am least concerned with code

MDMarra

You keep giving examples of developers making things at a young age and comparing it to network engineering

Registered User

6:21 PM

I wanted to learn linux kernel

Ward

@Chopper3 No freezing for you? I was surprised by how much blood there was.

Registered User

and I learned it best wat

MDMarra

@RegisteredUser And what does Linux have to do with an ISP?

Registered User

way I refused the job offer from one of the best company

I know if I have made up my mind to start an ISP I will

pauska

Is there a mute function here?

Chopper3

6:22 PM

@RegisteredUser You've trolled us before right?

voretaq7

@pauska there's an ignore button

Ward

@pauska There's an ignore this user option

pauska

@Ward where?!

Chopper3

@pauska "ignore this user (everywhere)" by clicking on that user's icon on the left

pauska

ah

thanks

Registered User

6:23 PM

you should not discourage some one from learning irrespective of the fact he does not have money to start his business this is how real life works people have done great things by learning like this asking questions with their curiosity who knows one day I will hire you people

jscott

Is there a functional difference between "ignore this user (everywhere)" and "hide posts"?

mossy

Lol @Chopper3

tombull89

Tell me, @RegisteredUser, how old are you?

Registered User

does that matter

Iain

@jscott interesting question

Ward

6:24 PM

@jscott I assume "everywhere" means you wont see them in any chat room. Hide posts seems to only be for the current room

Chopper3

@RegisteredUser I can assure you you will never be able to hire me

voretaq7

@RegisteredUser You can't "learn to start an ISP" in Stack Exchange chat - it's WAY too broad an undertaking.

Registered User

I m most concerned to know how ISP works and what it takes to be one of them

Ward

I just tried "hide" and it also shrunk the gravatar on the right...

tombull89

@RegisteredUser no, I'm just interested and might be able to give you some advice.

Registered User

6:25 PM

I need a pointer to start I will learn myself

Iain

@Ward ignore does the same

MDMarra

@RegisteredUser You really don't have a clue what you're talking about. You don't know enough about any of this to know that you don't know shit. Really, if you want to learn how ISPs work and get into network engineering, get a job at an existing company as a network engineer. There's a reason that you don't see "startup ISPs" everywhere like you see startup dev companies. Really, this is a site for professionals. If you want professional advice, you just got it from everyone here.

What you're proposing is crazy. End of story. Bye now.

Registered User

its not the end of story this is how people learn

jscott

@Ward Oh, that actually makes more sense.

voretaq7

@RegisteredUser No, you learn by doing, under the guidance and mentorship of those who have done before. We do a lot of teaching here, but no site on the internet can open up your head and pour in all the knowledge required to start and run an ISP.

tombull89

6:27 PM

@RegisteredUser I'm 23. I've been working in IT for the best part of 4 years. I would likely need at least another decade of expeience before I could even consider working for an ISP as high-level support let alone running one. Take it from me, you are hopelessy out of your depth and it will cost you a lot of time, money, and probably your sanity to do what you want. I wish you all the best, seriously, and good luck. You're going to need it.

voretaq7

Like I said, I did it before - and I had a bunch of other guys working with me, because we all knew that none of us had a complete head of knowledge that would let us run the show, but between the lot of us we could do a decent job of it (and hire people to do what we couldn't)

and with that, Lunch.

Ryan Ries

I just got here and what is this

pauska

This really was my week.. finally fixed the SAN problems, and now I finally managed to fix RPC over HTTP transparent failover for exchange.

Ryan Ries

@pauska gj

Iain

@RyanRies nothing to see here - just move along now

Ryan Ries

6:30 PM

haha

Michael Hampton

en.wikisource.org/wiki/I,_Pencil

Registered User

problem solving is one thing and people need to know how to solve problems and learn things as they come in their way be it business or technology sane people only give results it depends upon how sane one is and I am one of them

pauska

@Cole remind me in a few days and I'll send you a link to the powershell crash course session I took today.. it was frigging great and a MAJOR eye-opener for me (I suck at scripting)

tombull89

It's been an interesting week. First Cheevos, now this...

Cole

@pauska thanks!

MDMarra

6:33 PM

@pauska I was like, "Yo, I'm good with PowerShell" and then I look at scripts where people load .net assemblies and all that and I think "Yo, I suck with PowerShell"

ewwhite

What's an ISP?

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Scott Pack

Internet service provider

An Internet service provider (ISP) is an organization that provides access to the Internet. Access ISPs directly connect clients to the Internet using copper wires, wireless or fiber-optic connections. Hosting ISPs are a kind of colocation centre that leases server space to smaller businesses and other people. Transit ISPs provide large amounts of bandwidth for connecting hosting ISPs to access ISPs. Internet service providers can be either community-owned and non-profit, or privately owned and for-profit. History The Internet started off as a closed network between government re...

Jacob

@ewwhite The exit is down on the right 3 doors down....

tombull89

How is ISP formed? How computer get inernet?

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MDMarra

@ewwhite Think of it like IaaS for your Internet access.

pauska

6:34 PM

@MDMarra haha yeah.. that new SX employee runs C# inside PowerShell. I was like "whaaaaaat"

Chopper3

@RegisteredUser It is the end of the story though, you will never start your own homegrown ISP, never - not without millions of investment and if you could get that investment the first thing the investors would do would be to hire professionals who know what they're doing.

ewwhite

Like dial-up?

Cole

I can computer!

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pauska

Internet as an IaaS. Hahaha.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra If you're interested Carlos Perez has been getting hot and heavy into using PowerShell for penetration testing. His blog posts might be interesting.

Cole

6:35 PM

Oh fuck yes

tombull89

I can internet!

MDMarra

@ScottPack <3 penetration

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ewwhite

My current company started as an ISP... so by my desk, there's an old-school binder with all of the NOC guidelines for troubleshooting T1, ISDN and dial-up connections.

Cole

I was able to remove 6 NT trusts today. CLEAN UP ON AISLE PANTS.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra inorite?

MDMarra

6:35 PM

@ScottPack Does he run that PoShSec github repo?

I think that's what it's called

Cole

Listen guys, I just want to run a secure Telnet server on my Windows Server 2012 machine. pls halp.

pauska

a secure telnet server

right

Cole

@pauska think you missed that yesterday

Scott Pack

@MDMarra That's a negative.

pauska

@Cole yeah I probably did

Cole

6:37 PM

@pauska someone asked that, seriously.

MDMarra

@ScottPack Do you know what I'm talking about though? There's a large repo of powershell security related tools

Scott Pack

@MDMarra darkoperator.com

Michael Hampton

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Q: Telnet on Windows Server 2012

Im looking to implement telnet on Server 2012, i know its not secure yada yada, its just a project. Whats the best security practices regarding this including software to use, if not inbuilt. I'm also putting an SSH server on there if theres anything that can combine the 2. Thanks.

windows ssh telnet

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I just looked at it. I hadn't seen it. My only experience with powershell is what it exists.

MDMarra

@ScottPack Good. Keep your grimey hands off of my tools

pauska

6:38 PM

@MichaelHampton Combine telnet with ssh. Right. Yeah. So, what.. I don't even.

Cole

@pauska sshelnet

Michael Hampton

@pauska Yeah... all I could do was hand him some rope and point him toward a tree.

MDMarra

@ScottPack github.com/mattifestation/PowerSploit

PowerSploit

That's what I was thinking of

pauska

Anyone know if it's safe to take a DFS-replicating fileserver out of production, do a chkdsk on it to fix index errors, and put it back? Do I risk losing files all over the place if the chkdsk actually salvaged files?

Scott Pack

@MDMarra Ah, I pulled up this github.com/PoshSec

MDMarra

6:40 PM

@pauska DFS does last-written conflict resolution so maybe?

But the mod date shouldn't change if chkdsk pulls something back to life

so maybe not?

@ScottPack yeah, I saw that too and was like nope

@ScottPack Get-GPPPassword

Retrieves the plaintext password for accounts pushed through Group Policy in groups.xml.

Scott Pack

@MDMarra I actually need to learn more Windows stuff. Too much of it is just unknown to me.

Chopper3

Has the troll fucked off back to his bridge?

pauska

@MDMarra that's basically where I'm at.. "maybe"

@Chopper3 wouldn't know really!

MDMarra

@pauska You can always take it out of the replication group, run chkdsk, and robocopy /mir from a known good replica just in case

it'll only overwrite changed items

should be quick and leave you in a good state

pauska

good idea, except that this server has millions of files

and it has to do it over a 100mbit mpls link

MDMarra

6:43 PM

it should only take like an hour if they're mostly the same

Oh 100Mbps

Cole

We have way too many W2K machines still

MDMarra

a /mir over 1GbE against two volumes with about a million files took about 20 minutes when things were mostly the same

just for reference

Ryan Ries

@Cole I'm decommissioning one as we speak

MDMarra

Of course, file size and all that matters

Cole

@RyanRies wish I was

I was just asked if we can enabled RDP on Windows 2000

I hate my life.

pauska

6:45 PM

@MDMarra this will be 2.1 million files across MPLS.. but fuck it, users are already directed away from this server

MDMarra

@RyanRies have you seen this github? github.com/mattifestation/PowerSploit

Just realized you might like this

Ryan Ries

@Cole Do it, they'll be more eager to let you shut it down after a few Chinese people pwn it

MDMarra

@pauska I really think you'd be fine without that (maybe)

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra Yeah, that dude is bad ass... I sort of contributed to one of his scripts

MDMarra

word up

Ryan Ries

6:47 PM

The groups.xml password grabber one

Cole

Yay we're pushing out PowerShell to XP machines and enabling PSRemoting

FUCK YEAH BITCHES.

pauska

@MDMarra I just got a great idea.. I'll just use this as an opportunity to move to WS2012 (dedup, wee)

MDMarra

word up

Cole

@MDMarra do you still need to enable WinRM then create a Enable-PSRemoting script to enable it for all?

MDMarra

I don't use PSRemoting

Cole

6:53 PM

@MDMarra aye

MDMarra

I probably should, but I always found a way around it

like invoke-command blocks or whatever

Ryan Ries

That WinRM uses a single port is a godsend to me

RPC with dynamic ports is something the network guys don't like

So I dont' have to turn their precious firewalls to swiss cheese

MDMarra

@RyanRies Like the network admins that fight with me when I need a domain-joined server in the DMZ

Ryan Ries

@MDMarra yep

Cole

None of our servers in the DMZ are domain-joined.

MDMarra

6:56 PM

Most aren't here

But we have a few, like SharePoint

Exchange CAS, etc

Cole

@RyanRies so hm, I could have the comms guys open up the single port to the DMZ for me then...to manage those machines easier.. hmm

Ryan Ries

Still haven't had a chance to do a deep-dive with Exchange 2013 yet.

@Cole Yep, updated WinRM uses 5986 for secure comms

Cole

@RyanRies thank you sir!

Feeds

Iain has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Cole

That'll be fucking awesome

Ryan Ries

6:59 PM

@Cole 'course you can change that port to whatever you want

Cole

Why am I getting sick right before surgery?

@RyanRies I don't foresee it being a big deal tbh.

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