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12:00 AM
@RYANRIES FELL OFF THE ACTIVE USER ROSTER. NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
No, he somehow got 10 IPs.
 
@MichaelHampton ...annnnndd invalid!
But thanks for flagging.
 
The funny part of that is, I could do that in PowerShell in about five minutes. And I'm a Linux guy...
Fuck, finished the day at 163 rep.
 
@voretaq7 His website is dope: sasainfo.com
 
@WesleyDavid him pro much?
 
12:05 AM
That error message is pro.
Windows. Plesk. Need I say more?
 
@MichaelHampton We'd rather you not blaspheme in here
 
@voretaq7 FreeBSD. tcsh.
 
@WesleyDavid Werd
 
@MichaelHampton tcsh isn't blasphemy, it's purgatory.
(plain vanilla csh is Hell)
((ksh is limbo))
 
@voretaq7 And what do you call W*****s and P***k?
 
12:10 AM
@MichaelHampton "Satan's besmirched farting hole" seems appropriate
though that's kinda making it hard to talk about Vista and Windows You
 
@voretaq7 Pre or post manscaping?
Oh, and look at this cat:
 
@WesleyDavid I guess that depends if Saddam's been home lately or he's out shacking up with the lesser demons
 
@WesleyDavid WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
OK, it's GoHome time for me -- BBL
 
@voretaq7 He's my cousin and he smelled funny so there.
 
12:11 AM
maybe
 
@voretaq7 Laters. This awaits you when you get back:
 
So, the place I turned down yesterday came back with a better offer today /cc: @ewwhite
But, at the end of the day today at $currentJob I was put in charge of AD, VMWare, and Datacenter ops, so now I don't want to leave
weird how thinks work out like that with timing, sometimes
 
12:38 AM
Phucking A, iLO2 suuuuuuuuucks.
 
@HopelessN00b You know @ewwhite is going to come in here and kill you, right?
 
@HopelessN00b how so?
 
@MichaelHampton Let him. It suuuuuuuuuuucks.
@MattBear It usually works, and occasionally isn't like pulling teeth from a horny elephant.
 
@HopelessN00b great... One of my next projects is getting iLo going, since we have all HP servers
 
@HopelessN00b Someone had to try reeeel hard to get ilo to not work smoothly. Give that man a gold star. Then kill him.
 
12:44 AM
@MattBear iLO3's pretty good, but good luck on that iLO2 thing. Update all the firmware to the current rev first, FYI.
 
@MattBear iLO is awesome
 
@WesleyDavid Yeah, really. Kill that man with a gold star, for bonus points.
 
Much better than DRAC
The only iLO2 experience I have is with P4500 G2s
 
@MDMarra iLO3, maybe. Not 2. Never had so much trouble with an OOB managament solution.
 
@MDMarra ok... I was getting worried for a sec
 
12:45 AM
It was fine, but I mean, those are iSCSI SAN nodes
 
were G6-G8
 
So, different needs
 
@MattBear iLO2 on the G6's.... so, enjoy.
 
@HopelessN00b I havent even started looking at it yet... I was figuring on doing all the firmware updates to begin with, I dont even have the switchs set up or cabling done for it
 
@MattBear How many, by the way? Classic HP suck at integrating their technologies, so scripting it is a real bitch too.
 
12:48 AM
atm, 8
once I get done, 4-5, I'm virtualizing and retireing old hardware
 
Oh, that's nothing, then. You'll be fine.
 
Who the flipping flip put the Exchange server in Balanced Power mode. -.-
2
 
oh wait... 12, forgot about the remote sites
right now I'm learning sharepoint and sql... On a time crunch
goes into production wed, and im expected to support it
they had built a standalone sharepoint server, with sql express
So i've built a sql server, and a sharepoint server, tested the database export and import, tested the AD integration, created all the users and groups in AD, got the web part together for password management(external contractors need access), tonight I'm doing the full export and import into the new servers, and reassigning the URLs
am I missing anything?
 
Such a long day... I want. to. just. cry.
 
@MattBear Just one web front end?
 
12:55 AM
@MDMarra yeah, atm
 
@ewwhite Let it out buddy. Let it out.
 
@MattBear How many users how much content?
Running the search indexer and search service against a decent sized dataset brings things to a craaaaawl
 
I thought we were supposed to hold it all in until we implode into a ball of plasma.
 
@ewwhite Bad day? Or just long day?
 
@WesleyDavid you rang?
 
12:57 AM
@MDMarra proof of concept phase, 20 users, not much content until users start uploading.. potentially 20-30 gb to begin with
 
ILO is good. Don't get things twisted.
 
it's a standard thing to have a separate SP server that isn't used for anything but search indexing and fulfilling search requests
@ewwhite Don't cry, it's unbecoming of someone ahead of me in rep
 
if the POC goes well, 300+ users,
 
@mdmarra didn't give details on the new offer.
 
Unless it will stop you from answering questions - if it will, then let it all out
 
12:58 AM
god only knows how much data potentially
 
I've spent the past WEEK on the same project... Just a new vSphere cluster.
 
@ewwhite I'm not taking it
but they added almost 10k
 
And I don't know if I am the problem.
 
@MDMarra they had it built as a standalone... has to build a new farm and export/import just to have the option of adding in another SP server, which I fully expect to do at some point
@ewwhite sounds fun :p how big of a cluster?
 
@ewwhite Doesn't matter got paid. =P
 
1:01 AM
And I think I know VMware well...
 
how hard would it be to migrate to sharepoint online?
 
@ewwhite You seem to. It's probably something that would stump VMware's own top tier engineers.
 
@MattBear Never had to migrate
 
I need to move a vm from vcloud to another vcloud... And I spent all day on it.
 
good luck!
@ewwhite Did you...READ THE MANUAL
just kidding, never used vcd
 
1:05 AM
@MDMarra CIO just threw that at me lol, after spending a week and half getting ready to support on prem SP, building new servers, and testing....
 
And then the switch crashed?!?
 
Would you say that it switched off?
har har har
 
@MDMarra You're a terrible person.
 
Yeah, sorry. I'm all loopy on pork fried rice
 
I could really go for some good lo mein.
 
1:09 AM
I think my issue is vcloud director
 
This was leftovers from last night
rice + egg roll
@ewwhite sounds like it
 
But I feel under pressure because I come in like I know stuff, and then there are problems.
Like the HP server, KVM switch thing. Wasn't my fault...
 
@ewwhite Welcome to every day of my life.
 
Well, I wonder if I bring too much friction.
 
I bring friction everywhere
I also float to the top of the pile pretty quickly too.
They go hand in hand
 
1:17 AM
I have too many literal barriers to do what I'd like here.
 
literal??
 
It's literally killing him.
 
Like, not knowing whether the issues are an ACL on a switch, a reverse route issue, a firewall or whatever.
 
ah got ya
 
1:18 AM
That'll get you past most barriers.
@ewwhite So the network is a mess?
 
@MichaelHampton Except for blast doors.
 
@ScottPack I think it'll suffice for the switches and firewalls in question.
 
Our network is complex. So I stumble navigating through it.
 
@MichaelHampton I'll agree with that.
 
@ewwhite You're too nice. Call it the fucking mess that it is.
 
1:21 AM
I got locked out of vcenter. Everything went read-only
A switch stack went down... And I think vcenter went awry
I'm afraid people think that the project delays are my fault
I now have 60+ virtual machine builds waiting on me...
 
@ewwhite Yet here you are on SF chat...
 
Basically for me to upload a golden master image to vCloud Director
 
@ewwhite Just kidding :)
 
I can't seem to upload it. VCloud doesn't like normal vCenter VM's
 
Hmm. Next the SAN will fail. This will also be your fault.
 
1:29 AM
The SAN did go down. Along with the switch
They were testing LACP...
 
And... that wasn't your idea?
I seem to recall you had some ... concerns about it.
 
This stuff is just weird enough that most good admins haven't seen it. Reminds me of when I'd hit the wall doing financial system stuff. Nobody to ask..
But I'm most concerned that vCloud director makes NO sense to me!
 
If it were me, I would spend the first few months watching my coworkers hang themselves. THEN come in and save the day.
 
I did.
But I am not making friends in the process.
 
So be friendlier?
 
1:44 AM
Cookies make friends.
 
See I might not be tip top at political maneuvering or negotiations, but I sure as shit am really good at telling someone that they're wrong and I'm right and having them like me after
 
Come little lamb, let me show you the ways of figuring out the root cause of something rather than just tossing permissions...
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Q: Give user superuser privileges

cbmanicaI'm trying to give a particular user superuser privileges, specifically the global write permissions that root hashe user in question must have these permissions without using sudo. It's a user that runs a service that is trying to write a file to a directory that it doesn't have write permissio...

@MichaelHampton Ooh, where can I use that?
 
posted on January 25, 2013 by Matt Simmons

The West-coast LOPSA conference that everyone raves about is CascadiaIT, put on largely by the Seattle Area System Administrator Guild (or SASAG). This is its third year, and it's got a great looking line-up of tutorials: Root Cause Analysis (both beginner and intermediate classes) PowerShell Fundamentals Building Your PowerShell Toolkit An Introduction to Puppet An [...]

 
@ewwhite So yikes. Sounds like you're in the middle of a tangle that isn't your fault but you're starting to get blamed? Like, has anyone actually pointed the finger at you?
 
@Zoredache I think he's actually got a fundamental misunderstanding of how sudo works.
"Here is my proof that elasticsearch is a member of the sudo group, but yet still does not have write permissions on /"
 
1:56 AM
OH GOD ELASTIC SEARCH
 
AND HI EVERYONE
 
Nobody's blaming me... But I feel like I expose a lot of cracks.
 
Shit, Jacob is here. Quick, chuck that shit under the couch where he won't see it and just like, tidy up a bit so he doesn't think we're slobs
Don't want to be a bad influence on him
 
@Dan You ever see a Citrix web interface fluctuate between handing out ICAs pointing to internal addresses and ICAs pointing to public addresses?
 
@MarkHenderson did I miss something?
 
2:09 AM
@ewwhite So you find all the problems that no one else sees. Cover your hindquarters with documentation and good reasoning, but yeah, sometimes I feel like that. I've had it happen where I walk in and things start breaking, and it's like "It's not my fault you built your house of cards and it just happened to fall down when I came in."
@Jacob Yes.
 
It's not that things are falling apart...
I think I just have an issue with certain structures...
I had to wait 2 hours tonight to get my password reset....
To me, that's a fail.
 
@ewwhite They switched to a better, slower, hashing algorithm. It takes that long to generate.
 
riiiiight
 
2:27 AM
@mdmarra I'm nice-ish
Jeeez... I definitely want to cry
 
animated GIFs anyone? pcdiy.com.au
@ScottPack bcrypt has a special "glacier" mode
 
Cyber Power. drink
 
ooh a drinking game. Which one?
 
2:42 AM
@Andrew Auburn, where every single dodgey computer store in Sydney lives
 
@MarkHenderson they took over MSY's old spot in Adelaide when MSY moved.
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Q: Cant install openstack on VM

J__im trying to install openstack in a VM running UBUNTU 12.04 DESKTOP but during devstack deployment i get "Downloading/unpacking prettytable (from -r > python_keystoneclient.egg.info/requires.txt (line 2))" which freezes the installation. I followed the directions posted here What is causing t...

cough desktop OS
 
@Andrew I sent my wife to MSY to get something for me once. She was the only woman in the queue and everyone else was asian and didn't speak of a word of english and they just stared at her
I don't think they'd ever seen someone 6'2" and pale before
 
Okay, I think i know what my issue is....
How many of you all deal with this... where you know HOW to fix something...
but can't....
 
bureaucratic obstructiveness?
 
either because of credentials, firewalls...
 
2:48 AM
requires downtime?
 
not knowing HOW to get to the solution...
 
obstructive user interfaces
 
@ewwhite I mean, ask for help?
 
SOmetimes the fix is an ACL on a router...
or a software firewall...
or a hardware firewall...
or a route needed.
 
I'm sure no one expects you to know the whole infrastructure end to end
not yet anyway
 
2:50 AM
Right, so I waited 2 hours to have a password reset.
back to square one... I can get into vCloud... but can't import the VM I need.
And I do ask a lot of questions.
But it's shameful to need this much help building a 6-server vSphere cluster and importing a single Linux virtual machine
 
@ewwhite ^^ feel better ?
 
@ewwhite is there anything fancy magic about the linux vm? is the old environment still available?
 
@Zypher I may or may not have submitted similar commit messages.
 
No, don't feel better.
 
@ScottPack there are ~2.5 more pages of that
 
3:00 AM
@Andrew this is a vCloud director environment.
 
@Zypher You clearly need to drink more.
 
I have tons of vSphere experience... but never with vCloud
it doesn't like my normal VM's
In vCloud, the vSphere is totally abstracted...
and that's what the VM's end up looking like
 
@ScottPack totally re-writing the elastsic search puppet module i found on the webs
had it done, then went crap, this doesn't work with more than once instance
had to re-write
 
Thanks guys.
Fucking mock.
 
@ScottPack oh you've join the misery?
 
3:10 AM
@Zypher I generally don't mind packaging things, but every now and then certain things cause me headaches. Usually perl modules.
 
haha
yea
 
I solve that problem by not using perl.
 
This is one of the very few cases where there doesn't already exist a source rpm somewhere that I can just tweak.
 
clawing my eyes out...
 
@ewwhite All. The. Time.
@ewwhite Hang in there =(
 
3:17 AM
the vSphere VM causing trouble needed to be cloned to another VM in order for vCloud Director to see it cleanly enough to be imported into a vApp Template catalog.
Yeah, um, that makes sense.
 
@ewwhite So never used vCloud much before this?
 
never needed to.
 
@ewwhite Yeah
 
even large 3,000 VM sites I've seen before used the normal vCenter setup
this Cloud shit is crazy
but I'm getting paralyzed even thinking of what to name VM's.
 
@ewwhite No documented naming system for client VMs?
 
3:25 AM
vApp_abc-ny-dev-CIStemplate1v
 
SON OF A FUCKING BITCH
just spend 30 mins debugging the wrong stanza
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@ewwhite holy crap
 
@Zypher Doesn't matter got paid?
 
@WesleyDavid ... salary
 
@Zypher I spent an hour trying to figure out how the fuck my admin account is actually an admin in our child domains earlier this week
 
@Zypher Exactly.
 
3:27 AM
@MDMarra ... umm do i want to know ?
 
@Zypher Need moar wine.
 
hahah
 
@Zypher Restricted groups + Enterprise Admin
But in the sloppiesy way imaginable
 
was about to say not horrible ..
 
@Zypher ugh
 
3:28 AM
Because having the account in each Domain Admins group is way too difficult...
 
"Permission to perform this operation was denied."
After 14 hours of working on this...
 
@ewwhite It's time to start pulling your hair out... Oh wait.
 
Another guy and I spent about an hour figuring out how a 15 line file rotation script written in perl worked. It turned out to be a portability issue with the builtin acting in an unexpected way on x86.
 
@MichaelHampton you know vCloud?
 
@ewwhite Dun dun dun. =(
@ScottPack Builtins, man. Builtins.
 
3:34 AM
 
@ewwhite I do not, I'm afraid. Never got that high of a level playing keygen.
 
The culmination of a day's work...
 
Hey, you're making progress!
 
@WesleyDavid Something weird like rename on a currently open file results in a copy/truncate. I don't have the code handy to go back and see exactly what he was doing.
@Zypher In case you care at all, the entire problem was that in the %install phase rpmbuild was attempting to strip a .a file. The permissions on the file were 555, so the strip failed. In the el5-i386 and el5-x86_64 chroots the strip failed but rpmbuild went merrily on its way. In el6 rpmbuild went tits up when strip didn't work.
Qocksuckers.
 
hahahah
 
3:41 AM
And, of course, mock was very helpful and cleaned up every bit of information that would have let me actually diagnose the problem.
Shit like this makes me consider a career in plumbing.
 
haha awesome
fucking awesome
 
@ScottPack The build.log didn't tell you what was wrong?
There should have been something in there like:

strip: file.a: What? I'm not stripping for you, you fucking ... oh, Permission denied.
 
@MichaelHampton It contained the error about strip failing.
@MichaelHampton However, the fact that it was non-fatal on the el5 chroots caused me to just gloss over it.
 
damnit, here's a suprise the box i was testing this module on is competly jacked
 
Oh, but you're saying it killed the buildroot too?
 
3:46 AM
@MichaelHampton Yup, and the temporary shell script that rpmbuild creates.
 
@MichaelHampton I wonder where you found your keygen.
 
@ScottPack Messy. Then again I always build on el6 first, before el5, so maybe I just catch all the problems earlier.
And I make sure it builds with rpmbuild before tossing it off to mock.
 
@MichaelHampton The el5 chroots come first in the array that my build scripts iterates through.
 
@ScottPack Ah, I have a command line option on my build script to override the build order. :)
 
what are you packaging?
 
3:50 AM
Mine isn't complicated enough yet to have options. I decided tonight that I need to smarten it up some.
 
I have a private repo with PHP 5.3/MySQL 5.5/etc. that I started building after remi unceremoniously switched to 5.4 without warning.
 
I haven't had to build an RPM since.... forever. Years.
 
The one Perl module not available on RepoForge?
 
@ewwhite Pretty much.
 
3:52 AM
That's when I tell the devs that they're doing it wrong.
 
@ewwhite from a quick search, that appears to be the case.
 
Probably about half the time I get these requests the package is in epel, so cobbler can mirror it easily. About 49% of the time the package exists for a different distro so I can massage the spec pretty easily and throw it in the satellite channel that I manage. This is definitely the 2%.
 
You people and your fancy cobbling and puppetizing...
 
@ewwhite Don't forget spacewalking.
 
4:07 AM
yeah... too structured for me!
 
Get back up on your horse and finish wrangling those vCows..er...
 
I don't have the right permissions
 
That's obviously wrong.
 
I don't have AD access... vCenter all works. vCloud is rough.
 
Oh god...I should have known there was a Windows box in there somewhere screwing everything up.
At least now you know it's not your fault. :)
 
4:13 AM
SHould I have known? How do I explain what happened without throwing coworker under the bus?
 
Throw Bill Gates under the bus instead.
As for explaining it, just stick to the facts. No need to name anybody.
 
@ewwhite Is there any condition under which a Sonicwall is the best option?
@MichaelHampton If you're not using IUS you're doin it wrong
but seriously after adding IUS all of my LEMP package needs are satisfied
 
@JoelESalas I refuse to use IUS since I don't want to subject myself to dependency hell.
 
4:28 AM
@MichaelHampton the whole mysql-libs thing?
 
Yeah. And that's not the only package they fucked up with.
They should absolutely NOT break dependencies for system packages, and they do.
 
Maybe you're just not AGILE and DEVOPS enough
 
I don't think I'll ever be AGILE or DEVOPS enough. I value doing things right.
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I set 'em up, you knock 'em down
 
@JoelESalas So yeah, after remi's little treachery I surveyed all the repos I could find, and could not find one I could live with. So I put together my own. (Don't tell anybody my build server is on Windows Azure...)
 
4:34 AM
@MichaelHampton Oh the ignominy. Are you going to offer it up publicly? I'll mirror it
 
@JoelESalas Yeah, eventually I will. Probably in a couple weeks. I want to fill it out a bit more with some more useful packages, and put together a proper web page and bug tracker and that sort of stuff.
Of course, that's all after I move from my hand-made build scripts to koji.
 
@MichaelHampton Let me know
 
It's presently at #5 on my to-do list...
 
@JoelESalas Naw
Unless you seen A/V and web filtering in one box
 
@ewwhite I need to make the case for an ASA. Does it have a web interface? These guys love web interfaces.
 
4:38 AM
Yes, pretty web interface, people know Cisco and the price point is goo
 
@ewwhite $$? or $
 
Cisco ASA 5505 - $500-$600
 
Hell I'll just source it from you
yeah that's fine
 
Cisco ASA 5510- $2500
 
These guys used to have a 3945 ISR. It was wayyy too much router for them to handle
 
4:41 AM
well, I like Cisco... and I like Barracuda for web filtering
 
@ewwhite Are ASA's also edge devices, or just strict firewalls these days?
 
firewall and VPN
 
@MarkHenderson they are perfectly fine as edge devices in a small to medium office
 
Can you put CPE infront of them, or do you need to load them with WICs like the routers?
(I know I could find this out myself, just lazy)
 
@MarkHenderson if it outputs ethernet and doesn't need BGP yep
 
4:48 AM
Interesting
Got a customer with a small DC who wants to move way from their linksys
 
at our denver office we just spun up Cisco 3750 -> 891 -> ASA5505
 
Might use this as an excuse to learn ios
 
and yes they decided to use a 3750 as basically a media converter
 
@Zypher Venture funding, putos!
 
@WesleyDavid oh no that was CenturyLink
the 3750 and 891 are the CPE
 
4:50 AM
@Zypher Customer dollars from overpriced, oversubscribed, under-developed lines, putos!
 
lol
once of these days i need to figure out why it take 3 runs of puppet to get the base config down
 
Fuck Sonicwall so much
 
@Zypher 1. Certificate signing request. 2. Certificate signed. 3. Get the catalog?
 
@JoelESalas Whats wrong?
 
@MarkHenderson The damn login page won't save credentials
 
4:58 AM
@JoelESalas Time to pull out the firebug and see if the browser is misbehaving or the device is
(if you're into being sodomised anyway)
 
@MarkHenderson No thanks. I've been debugging web applications all day
 
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Q: Can I force Google Chrome to remember passwords?

Nathan LongIs there a way to force Google Chrome to remember passwords for sites that have autocomplete turned off? Clarification: I am a programmer, but ideally, I'd like a method that I could help regular users implement, too.

 
@MichaelHampton Neat!
 
A similar Firefox extension exists, too.
 
@MichaelHampton there is some sort of ording idiocy going on that things aren't pulled down in the right order
 
5:08 AM
You get to any non-trivial level of complexity with puppet, and that seems sort of inevitable.
 
yea
 
I'm almost to the point at work where I can openly listen to Lady Gaga
 
5:44 AM
At times being an American is fun, get to be a side-show act for the rest of the world...
 
@JoelESalas Dude, you have to try hard to get a SonicWall in that state of fuckedup.
 
@JoelESalas You made it watch lemon party didn't you.
Okay SBS, why did you just explode your monitoring database's .ldf from 4GB to 19GB when I'm running dbcc_compact on your hide. I AM SO CONFUSED.
@Iain and @freiheit - 11 hours left on the auction and I'm still the front runner!
 
@WesleyDavid I assume you're talking bike? What auction?
@Chopper3 When you were diagnosed, did you have to get a biopsy? I watched a "core sample" biopsy today...
 
@BrentPabst That guy is clearly thinking: "What a dumbass."
 
5:53 AM
@Ward Woooow, as I went to the auction page I found I have JUST been outbid. >_<
 
@MichaelHampton The guy is thinking: I wonder how many durians I can trick the dumb white guy into eating...
 
Not sure how high I should go. @ewwhite Says it's already high at $450
 
I paid $400 for my tandem.
I wouldn't be comfortable going much higher w/out seeing it.
 
@Ward: They smell worse than they taste.
by quite a lot
/me dosen't remember there being a D88
 
@Ward Yeah, I'm in no rush - but that did seem like a sweet bike. I might let it slide. Upswing was that it's here in town so I can drive to pick it up and not pay shipping.
 
5:55 AM
Yeah, I know, they actually taste good, but my god, the smell.
 
XO I've heard of, and there was a D24 (both of which were 'better' varieties)
@Ward: after a few years you get used to it
 
@Ward Whaddaya think, this one is also in town... ebay.com/itm/Trek-Speed-Concept-9-Series-Triathlon-Bike-/…
 
@WesleyDavid Ideal for looking like a fucking idiot...
 
@Ward I need all the help I can get cuz I'm just so fine that the girlies won't let me alone.
 

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